Betrayal. A women's primary weapon. Whats sad is they have ruined dating (as of this posting) to the point that men no longer want to date them (at least, the American 'modern' woman) because all they care about is what they get out of it with out offering anything in return. Certainly not loyalty.
@RandallHallKaizenReiki Жыл бұрын
This is an interesting display of therapy. Usually, the therapist doesn't want to give the answer, but guide the person to seeing the answer for themselves. But Will kept changing the subject every time the therapist started leading him down that path. So to shock him, the therapist tells him the answer point blank.
@BruCipHiF Жыл бұрын
What I'm studying is that, as a therapist, you can give answers when you have enough information and, at the same time, the patient could've got to the same conclusion and is ready to understand it and internalize it. I think this scene was very well done.
@JavierGonzalez-lp3ke10 ай бұрын
True, perhaps, yes. There are many forms of therapy a therapist can provide based upon any given clients' needs and/or presenting concerns: client-centered therapy; Rational Emotive Behavioral Therapy; Cognitive-Behavioral Therapy (CBT; most commonly utilized); Gestalt therapy; these are among the types currently in practice. I have a M.S. Clinical Psychology-Applied Research.
@thomasprice7893 Жыл бұрын
I literally can't comprehend how he could forgive her and it honestly taints the character a bit for me She didn't fuck her ex once and then realize her mistake, she did it for months on end. That means he was better than Will at something or other, because she was experiencing both at the same time and had the comparison, and whatever he was giving her was good enough that she'd spit on him and their relationship to keep having it. I don't understand how you ever, ever move past that without accepting that you're some kind of cuck who's second best in your wife's eyes.
@alexandervanvelzen5475 Жыл бұрын
@Dameion Fresh. Which season and episode this scene comes from? Thanks in advance. rgds alex
@ericmiller93 Жыл бұрын
Great scene.
@sabyasachisenapati3619 Жыл бұрын
I made a woman, the most valuable thing in my life, she drove me in all sorts of ways, but was never able to make her mine. She fell in love with someone else and got married after a 7 year long relationship. Now, I was never betrayed or cheated on. But the weight of her loss is making me rethink everything,
@SBandy Жыл бұрын
Mr Universe knows all.
@robrick93612 жыл бұрын
How come when I use this on my girl she just throws coffee in my face. "Baby, it had nothing to do with you, I was just sleeping around because of my own insecurities."
@jackyeh99662 жыл бұрын
The quirky event posteriorly doubt because food neurophysiologically explain given a outgoing sack. infamous, petite bubble
@mikemactavish16652 жыл бұрын
No you can't forgive her . . . nor should you ever
@libbyworkman3459 Жыл бұрын
@ mike McTavish. As Will says in a later scene, Mac took everything he threw at her, and she still loved him. Everyone does stupid things. Everyone makes mistakes. we all need forgiveness at some point in our lives.
@evilkonkarne742 жыл бұрын
David Krumholtz was amazing is this role.
@bw58882 жыл бұрын
I really miss this show.
@tomsurber22932 жыл бұрын
"It was the middle of the night, there was nothing left to read." "Except the entire rest of the internet." Only Aaron Sorkin does that ...
@taylorhadley2 жыл бұрын
That psychiatrist stabbed Carter and Lucy!!!!!!
@taylorhadley2 жыл бұрын
Paul Sobreki from ER
@zaxbitterzen21782 жыл бұрын
You can't always give people forgiveness for theirs or your own sake. Some action's go beyond such basic, and rathe rpassive human psychology. Betrayal is probably one of the single most pervasive feeling's anyone can feel especially if they know it without doubt. No amount of internal justification will ever absolve flat-out betrayal. You are completely at the mercy of the person you hurt. They can either forgive you to alleviate their own conscience, forget the betrayal the ol' water under the bridge routine, or they distance themselves, or a mix of all three.
@LegacyFTW3 жыл бұрын
This shit hits hard. Especially when you’ve been both rejected and betrayed.
@jonibeeter32883 жыл бұрын
You ass
@namkkemalseninanandr71123 жыл бұрын
BRUHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
@ssgpentland82413 жыл бұрын
"Because you WEREN'T rejected, you were betrayed." Thats deep
@westmcgee9320 Жыл бұрын
I wish I understood its depth.
@anirudhsathe90453 жыл бұрын
From rejection to betrayal, you can fit two worlds in the distance between these words
@SBandy Жыл бұрын
What a great fucking line!
@stevehoffman97353 жыл бұрын
Truth. One of the best scenes in the entire series.
@mariaochoa5753 жыл бұрын
Bruhhh
@mariaochoa5753 жыл бұрын
If you win then i will give you a toy for ypu spn🤣🤣
@mariaochoa5753 жыл бұрын
Bruh im going to win
@mariaochoa5753 жыл бұрын
Lol
@Vesperitis4 жыл бұрын
It has been eight goddamn years and I can still say, yep, I get it. You don't forgive that stuff. Ever.
@BruCipHiF Жыл бұрын
That you haven't, doesn't mean you never will, or that you might at all. It's complicated and every person and situation is different.
@northernwatchman1864 жыл бұрын
If you stand in the rain without a jacket, you won't get a cold.
@utubeDaveutube4 жыл бұрын
Truly a brilliant scene --------- and sooooo insightful. Yay therapists!!
@RenaissanceM4 жыл бұрын
Anybody else feel like they just went through their own therapy session after watching this? Like am I the only one who was taken aback by that last line? Who sat in silence for a full minute afterward before saying “Holy Shit...”
@arenat97054 жыл бұрын
You serious about this shit lol! HMU tho
@spehizle4 жыл бұрын
There are three scenes that perfectly contextualize the totality of Will's character. This is one of them. The other two are SPOILERS... SERIOUSLY DON'T KEEP READING IF YOU'RE WATCHING THE SHOW IT'S BEST TO TAKE IT IN FOR YOURSELF FINAL WARNING ... The scene when he was in prison with his "father," and archive tape from his 9/11 coverage. You watch these three scenes, and you will perfectly understand everything about who Will is, and why he makes every decision he does.
@ogichi324 жыл бұрын
I've heard some therapy in my life but fuck me did that hit hard....
@cariganpintalba94984 жыл бұрын
It wasn't a single, solitary instance. It was months on Mac's part. That's a lot of un-rejecting. Here's the thing...forgiveness doesn't mean condoning. Forgiving doesn't mean the relationship has to resume. To quote a movie I saw dealing with cheating "Some things you do in life...they stick."
@horatiobeaker2 жыл бұрын
And finding the heart to forgive, even when betrayal exists, this is where grace enters the picture.
@TheSerpent214 жыл бұрын
She doesn't deserve to be forgiven for betraying you and cheating on you. Can't be loyal to your partner in a relationship then get the fuck out, there is no forgiveness for cheating nor betrayal.
@stevecook4135 жыл бұрын
You don't forgive cuz they deserve it. You forgive cuz you deserve it (the start closer for yourself) cheaters don't deserve forgiveness. All said this does not mean you have to or even should give the cheaters another chance to do it again.
@joeysmith50862 жыл бұрын
Forgiving and forgetting are two different things.
@ajisenramen8885 жыл бұрын
Oh oh oh it’s FRED from drop dead diva ❣️
@ariaflame-au2 ай бұрын
Nope. It’s the guy from 10 things I hate about you.
@wskylar215 жыл бұрын
I wonder how many Poptarts this fuckin toaster went through before being forced to record this video c.c
@thomaskane67935 жыл бұрын
ZZ. Z.
@brianellinger66225 жыл бұрын
I couldn't begin to forgive anyone until I know what exactly happened... ... the bait-and-switch thing and this silence has really melted my brain... ...
@rogelioayala43005 жыл бұрын
Nigga please. I been forgave her. It doesn't mean we have to get back together.
@lrmcatspaw16 жыл бұрын
still looking for helpmeronda
@FutureReverberations6 жыл бұрын
I'd watch a show with this psychiatrist! Very soothing voice. :D
@JasonAguirre4 жыл бұрын
Ya he is good on Numbers but usually a bit more energetic and math oriented.
@thomastv9143 жыл бұрын
In every one of Sorkin's shows/movies, there is a point where the insightful psychiatrist appears and saves the hero.
@brianellinger66226 жыл бұрын
Because I don't know what she did Soo I just keep wondering
@b9912286 жыл бұрын
Incredible writing and incredibly acting. This is one of the best performances in “The Newroom.”
@westmcgee9320 Жыл бұрын
😆
@TheSimbot6 жыл бұрын
Why do I have the feeling I just had a subliminal message planted into my brain? I swear to God if I wake up one day and have bought 32 Ice Cream scoops on Amazon.
@peterformaini77237 жыл бұрын
Beautifully written and acted scene. And such a simple line....."you weren't rejected......you were betrayed".......than answers so many questions.
@lllMacBethlll6 жыл бұрын
i know, 7 months, but wich questions have answers now? because he search for his way to be with her in harmony! thats why he wants to be able to forgive her, but he cant, it hurts him to much! i´ve love this szene, but the answer from the therapist means nothing less than, "let her go".....(in my opinion). but this he cant aswell! so for him, nothing changes even after this line and i know well what this feeling means <3 ^^
@JoshSweetvale5 жыл бұрын
@@lllMacBethlll She didn't just throw him away. She lied. He can forgive A. But B will take a little more work.
@lllMacBethlll5 жыл бұрын
@@JoshSweetvale this isnt an answer for his feelings aswell, but work is a good point. even in the series she did not really apologize. he did all the work. i really hated the ending in this relationship, wich is one of the hardest to cure. she did betray him, where was her work at all in this? but i didnt like his "revenge sex" aswell. and everytime they had time to speak....something happend and interrupt everything until the end..... im so unsatisfied with this ^^ ...
@colinsmith43774 жыл бұрын
@@lllMacBethlll The doctor's answer isn't intended to answer the question of what he should do, but to explain why he's having trouble doing it. Even now, he wants to forgive her and realizes he's the impasse. He never stopped loving her. She never stopped loving him. She apologized over and over again. He only accepted it and forgave her when he realized that ultimately he was the only one preventing his own happiness in being with her. He had to come to the conclusion on his own in order to organically make the choice.
@lllMacBethlll4 жыл бұрын
@@colinsmith4377 the docters answer has no room for insight, the answer is only right. thats why i dont like they end this discussion here. if this would end here, he comes empty and he leaves empty "She apologized over and over again" theres not one szene she was really sorry, she was thinking he have to understand, (we can discuss the last, as she said "i brutally hurt you" but it isnt an apologize) show me one where she is really really sorry for what she was doing. there not a single view his anger about her could be a relief she would accepted. no in the first episodes she was angry about his anger.... wtf, and she was hiding behind excuses all the time. so she didnt rly reflect her doing, otherwise she would understand him....but she didnt this was childsplay, but not an acting of 2 growed people this can never be an happy ending. they both didnt grow up in there relationship the thing is, he never was making a choice! he only wanted to hurt her too, thats not love he had to say: "i want to be with you, but im so fucking angry....i cant get over it..." and thats where she had ALOT to do if she really loves him and had regrets
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Betrayal. A women's primary weapon. Whats sad is they have ruined dating (as of this posting) to the point that men no longer want to date them (at least, the American 'modern' woman) because all they care about is what they get out of it with out offering anything in return. Certainly not loyalty.
This is an interesting display of therapy. Usually, the therapist doesn't want to give the answer, but guide the person to seeing the answer for themselves. But Will kept changing the subject every time the therapist started leading him down that path. So to shock him, the therapist tells him the answer point blank.
What I'm studying is that, as a therapist, you can give answers when you have enough information and, at the same time, the patient could've got to the same conclusion and is ready to understand it and internalize it. I think this scene was very well done.
True, perhaps, yes. There are many forms of therapy a therapist can provide based upon any given clients' needs and/or presenting concerns: client-centered therapy; Rational Emotive Behavioral Therapy; Cognitive-Behavioral Therapy (CBT; most commonly utilized); Gestalt therapy; these are among the types currently in practice. I have a M.S. Clinical Psychology-Applied Research.
I literally can't comprehend how he could forgive her and it honestly taints the character a bit for me She didn't fuck her ex once and then realize her mistake, she did it for months on end. That means he was better than Will at something or other, because she was experiencing both at the same time and had the comparison, and whatever he was giving her was good enough that she'd spit on him and their relationship to keep having it. I don't understand how you ever, ever move past that without accepting that you're some kind of cuck who's second best in your wife's eyes.
@Dameion Fresh. Which season and episode this scene comes from? Thanks in advance. rgds alex
Great scene.
I made a woman, the most valuable thing in my life, she drove me in all sorts of ways, but was never able to make her mine. She fell in love with someone else and got married after a 7 year long relationship. Now, I was never betrayed or cheated on. But the weight of her loss is making me rethink everything,
Mr Universe knows all.
How come when I use this on my girl she just throws coffee in my face. "Baby, it had nothing to do with you, I was just sleeping around because of my own insecurities."
The quirky event posteriorly doubt because food neurophysiologically explain given a outgoing sack. infamous, petite bubble
No you can't forgive her . . . nor should you ever
@ mike McTavish. As Will says in a later scene, Mac took everything he threw at her, and she still loved him. Everyone does stupid things. Everyone makes mistakes. we all need forgiveness at some point in our lives.
David Krumholtz was amazing is this role.
I really miss this show.
"It was the middle of the night, there was nothing left to read." "Except the entire rest of the internet." Only Aaron Sorkin does that ...
That psychiatrist stabbed Carter and Lucy!!!!!!
Paul Sobreki from ER
You can't always give people forgiveness for theirs or your own sake. Some action's go beyond such basic, and rathe rpassive human psychology. Betrayal is probably one of the single most pervasive feeling's anyone can feel especially if they know it without doubt. No amount of internal justification will ever absolve flat-out betrayal. You are completely at the mercy of the person you hurt. They can either forgive you to alleviate their own conscience, forget the betrayal the ol' water under the bridge routine, or they distance themselves, or a mix of all three.
This shit hits hard. Especially when you’ve been both rejected and betrayed.
You ass
BRUHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
"Because you WEREN'T rejected, you were betrayed." Thats deep
I wish I understood its depth.
From rejection to betrayal, you can fit two worlds in the distance between these words
What a great fucking line!
Truth. One of the best scenes in the entire series.
Bruhhh
If you win then i will give you a toy for ypu spn🤣🤣
Bruh im going to win
Lol
It has been eight goddamn years and I can still say, yep, I get it. You don't forgive that stuff. Ever.
That you haven't, doesn't mean you never will, or that you might at all. It's complicated and every person and situation is different.
If you stand in the rain without a jacket, you won't get a cold.
Truly a brilliant scene --------- and sooooo insightful. Yay therapists!!
Anybody else feel like they just went through their own therapy session after watching this? Like am I the only one who was taken aback by that last line? Who sat in silence for a full minute afterward before saying “Holy Shit...”
You serious about this shit lol! HMU tho
There are three scenes that perfectly contextualize the totality of Will's character. This is one of them. The other two are SPOILERS... SERIOUSLY DON'T KEEP READING IF YOU'RE WATCHING THE SHOW IT'S BEST TO TAKE IT IN FOR YOURSELF FINAL WARNING ... The scene when he was in prison with his "father," and archive tape from his 9/11 coverage. You watch these three scenes, and you will perfectly understand everything about who Will is, and why he makes every decision he does.
I've heard some therapy in my life but fuck me did that hit hard....
It wasn't a single, solitary instance. It was months on Mac's part. That's a lot of un-rejecting. Here's the thing...forgiveness doesn't mean condoning. Forgiving doesn't mean the relationship has to resume. To quote a movie I saw dealing with cheating "Some things you do in life...they stick."
And finding the heart to forgive, even when betrayal exists, this is where grace enters the picture.
She doesn't deserve to be forgiven for betraying you and cheating on you. Can't be loyal to your partner in a relationship then get the fuck out, there is no forgiveness for cheating nor betrayal.
You don't forgive cuz they deserve it. You forgive cuz you deserve it (the start closer for yourself) cheaters don't deserve forgiveness. All said this does not mean you have to or even should give the cheaters another chance to do it again.
Forgiving and forgetting are two different things.
Oh oh oh it’s FRED from drop dead diva ❣️
Nope. It’s the guy from 10 things I hate about you.
I wonder how many Poptarts this fuckin toaster went through before being forced to record this video c.c
ZZ. Z.
I couldn't begin to forgive anyone until I know what exactly happened... ... the bait-and-switch thing and this silence has really melted my brain... ...
Nigga please. I been forgave her. It doesn't mean we have to get back together.
still looking for helpmeronda
I'd watch a show with this psychiatrist! Very soothing voice. :D
Ya he is good on Numbers but usually a bit more energetic and math oriented.
In every one of Sorkin's shows/movies, there is a point where the insightful psychiatrist appears and saves the hero.
Because I don't know what she did Soo I just keep wondering
Incredible writing and incredibly acting. This is one of the best performances in “The Newroom.”
😆
Why do I have the feeling I just had a subliminal message planted into my brain? I swear to God if I wake up one day and have bought 32 Ice Cream scoops on Amazon.
Beautifully written and acted scene. And such a simple line....."you weren't rejected......you were betrayed".......than answers so many questions.
i know, 7 months, but wich questions have answers now? because he search for his way to be with her in harmony! thats why he wants to be able to forgive her, but he cant, it hurts him to much! i´ve love this szene, but the answer from the therapist means nothing less than, "let her go".....(in my opinion). but this he cant aswell! so for him, nothing changes even after this line and i know well what this feeling means <3 ^^
@@lllMacBethlll She didn't just throw him away. She lied. He can forgive A. But B will take a little more work.
@@JoshSweetvale this isnt an answer for his feelings aswell, but work is a good point. even in the series she did not really apologize. he did all the work. i really hated the ending in this relationship, wich is one of the hardest to cure. she did betray him, where was her work at all in this? but i didnt like his "revenge sex" aswell. and everytime they had time to speak....something happend and interrupt everything until the end..... im so unsatisfied with this ^^ ...
@@lllMacBethlll The doctor's answer isn't intended to answer the question of what he should do, but to explain why he's having trouble doing it. Even now, he wants to forgive her and realizes he's the impasse. He never stopped loving her. She never stopped loving him. She apologized over and over again. He only accepted it and forgave her when he realized that ultimately he was the only one preventing his own happiness in being with her. He had to come to the conclusion on his own in order to organically make the choice.
@@colinsmith4377 the docters answer has no room for insight, the answer is only right. thats why i dont like they end this discussion here. if this would end here, he comes empty and he leaves empty "She apologized over and over again" theres not one szene she was really sorry, she was thinking he have to understand, (we can discuss the last, as she said "i brutally hurt you" but it isnt an apologize) show me one where she is really really sorry for what she was doing. there not a single view his anger about her could be a relief she would accepted. no in the first episodes she was angry about his anger.... wtf, and she was hiding behind excuses all the time. so she didnt rly reflect her doing, otherwise she would understand him....but she didnt this was childsplay, but not an acting of 2 growed people this can never be an happy ending. they both didnt grow up in there relationship the thing is, he never was making a choice! he only wanted to hurt her too, thats not love he had to say: "i want to be with you, but im so fucking angry....i cant get over it..." and thats where she had ALOT to do if she really loves him and had regrets