Generac is junk , ridiculously expensive, very loud . Honda is much quieter, Bluetooth starting , and propane conversion. In my opinion a much better option.
@MooGary1Күн бұрын
👍
@rudbeckia8854 күн бұрын
Very loud, expensive, junk
@MooGary1Күн бұрын
I think the dBs are listened in the quote 😅
@TexasEngineer5 күн бұрын
How do you handle the adequate natural gas supply. Does someone check out the meter to see if the supply is large enough? Also can the gas company supply the gas? I am all electric with 150 amp service and electric strip heat and I have a natural gas line in my easement. I can’t justify the cost savings to convert to gas based on electric cost savings. There is about a $40 minimum charge for gas per month. Is propane a viable option? Gasoline goes bad and hard to purchase during a power outage. Diesel, how long will it last in storage? Are there any diesel generators available?
@MooGary14 күн бұрын
The guys coming out to do the install will look at the size of your gas meter. I believe in the quote it spells out the flow rate required. With a 150 amp circuit, your generator is going to be smaller than the one I had quoted. Yes they have propane versions and those are very popular. You'll need a tank, but if you are not using natural now (or don't have that available in the first place) then many folks go propane. Diseal is usually used in industrial applications.
@TexasEngineer4 күн бұрын
@@MooGary1 Thanks for the good information. The Texas winter storm, Uri, put a kink in my generator plans. You see my electric heater is on a 100 amp breaker and can pull 82 or 42 amps (high or low speed). Every thing was good to go with my new 5 ton variable speed ac that draws only 16 amps on high. Then I found out I had to compensate for heating too. Plus 4500 w electric water heater, I think I may need a bigger generator. I also need to upgrade my breaker box because of age and the obsolete brand of breakers. The whole thing is in a permanent dilemma over the propane tank. How big, rent or buy, and how to get it refilled especially during a natural disaster. The propane companies are picky on refilling anything but their own tanks. And when you have very low usage during a typical year, things get awkward on refills. Now the unknown question, will propane work in the 20’s F? It is looking like a dual fuel generator, propane and gasoline is the best option. Propane for long term storage and gasoline for refill-ability during an outage. Does Generac come in dual fuel?
@jptrade857510 күн бұрын
One more cost. we had a power outage here in Houston area due to a small Hurricane. Four days. The natural gas usage came out to $110 a day . $ 450.00 . Our average gas bill is $ 40 a month. We have a gas stove and a water heater. I figured out for Gasoline it would have been $151.00 max. Something to think about.
@MooGary110 күн бұрын
Yeah thats right. Are you saying gasoline would have spent $151 on gasoline per day max or for that 4 day duration?
@marsflee381510 күн бұрын
Generac hates you for putting the total cost. But it's better to be upfront with the total. You might not be able to afford all that money. Thank you for making the video.
@MooGary110 күн бұрын
Prolly so. Thanks! I figured others would be curious to get some ball parks.
@The_Critical_Critic10 күн бұрын
Generac... is over-rated.....
@MooGary110 күн бұрын
Who would you say has the best system?
@j.mccarthy300814 күн бұрын
Thank you for the information!! We live in Texas where if there’s any kind of natural disaster our elected officials run 🏃🏼 out of the country!! That way they don’t get blamed for (more) deaths and mismanagement of a crisis. We are currently using a portable generator (gas/propane). The biggest problem most folks, who have generators face is 1. Hoping it starts, 2. Enough fuel for said generator, and 3. Finding fuel after power goes out for days! I wondered about the fuel, LPG or natural gas. I looked at adding a line a few years ago and it was in the $5,000 range. Sounds like a lot but if you can’t get gas or propane you are sunk!!! I will revisit that and a large LPG tank. Getting too old to wag 5 gallon LP/gas containers around. Sigh!
@MooGary114 күн бұрын
Yeah that's a good point. If/when I buy another portable generator it will have trifuel capability so that I can use natural gas (which we have at the house) in scenarios where you can't get gasoline or propane.
@mabelgambarelli827311 күн бұрын
Just clarification: the only politicians to run out of Texas were democrats. Don’t make a single case the norm on the rest of those who did not.
@petepyeatt690916 күн бұрын
Can you finance the installation fees?
@MooGary115 күн бұрын
No idea there.
@SPARKYTXКүн бұрын
Yes the entire job can be financed. Texas electrician here
@margiecasado931016 күн бұрын
I would be in heaven if I saw this beautiful sight 💕
Good thoughts. Mine did have 2 ATSs due to having 2 panels home run fed from the meter.
@mattc415325 күн бұрын
2261.10 for basic install materials? Really? That's BS. The labor is 4K with his quote. The price of the generator is has another 1K added. You can get both the ATS and Generator for under 7K.
@MooGary123 күн бұрын
Man I know it.
@robinbabcock462025 күн бұрын
Red dogs. Nice to see Park Police keeping dumb tourists away from the bison 🦬
@bostonphotographer2029 күн бұрын
We were in Yellowstone end of May, early June this year and the baby bison were everywhere. The best.
@MooGary129 күн бұрын
Nice! This was last week.
@TheRobWay1Ай бұрын
Were there two breakers in the generator ?
@MooGary1Ай бұрын
Not in the generator
@TheRobWay129 күн бұрын
@@MooGary1 why two transfer switches ?
@ThePilotbuzzАй бұрын
Generac recently quoted us $28K, main reason was distance from generator to service panel, size of generator, and gas plumbing. Hill Country Texas. For $40K (after tax credit) we can get a solar system with battery backup that will power the entire house, and no more electric bill ($350/mo). Solar prices and batteries are dropping fast this Spring, finally getting to where they make sense financially - especially if you take of $28K that it would cost for a generator. I did get 2 other quotes, cheapest was $26K.
@MooGary1Ай бұрын
Wow! For what size load?
@Buzz-ep6iuАй бұрын
32kw, actually needed a bit more but that was the smallest that they said they could install due to our loads. That or rewire house with backup circuits separated.
@6-Iron11 күн бұрын
How long do the solar panels last? My experience with solar landscape lighting has not been very impressive.
@Buzz-ep6iu11 күн бұрын
@@6-Ironthey come with a warranty that has them at 92% of new output at 25 years, at my age I won’t know when they fail.
@jc8247Ай бұрын
We live in Florida and my wife and I are both 79 years old, we decided that we needed a backup generator. Like you say the price is outrageous, but living in florida everything is way way over priced, but what can you do, you either pay or go without. At our age going without was not an option. I wish we did this years ago. I agree with this guy.
@ronpecinajrАй бұрын
Price is outrageous? You must not have a clue what labor and materials, not to mention training to get these generators up and running.
@MooGary1Ай бұрын
Sounds like a perfect use case for a system like this for sure.
@noeltomasАй бұрын
Well I had this bright idea that I was going to get a home back up generator like this Generac here, since most of my neighbors have it and the last time we had a hurricane outage, it lasted 21 days. But then my wife has a brighter idea. She says why not go for solar panels instead. So I did. For a net cost of $16,500 I now have a 12 kilowatt system that generates power every day. There are at least four months of the year where my electric bill is negative (I pay zero) and the utility saves the KWHrs for me. I love it. We haven't had a power outage since I got the panels so I'm way ahead. Ha.
@MooGary1Ай бұрын
Nice! What part of the country are you in?
@LeonardCoopermanАй бұрын
Get the Kohler. Better generator.
@MooGary1Ай бұрын
I should have gotten a quote from them as well to compare.
@LeonardCoopermanАй бұрын
@@MooGary1 it’s more light commercial, has better through put and provides cleaner power. The remote monitoring features by the dealer and auto shut off on low oil are worth the extra for the 26kw.
@kcgunesqАй бұрын
In my personal experience, you can save several thousand dollars if you are willing to act as the general contractor, hiring the plumber and electrician. You will save even more if you are willing to install the trench yourself. Even renting a large trencher will likely be at least $1,000 less than having the plumber do it.
@MooGary1Ай бұрын
That's a really good suggestion to help take the edge off the cost.
@ronl2463Ай бұрын
Since most involved with the sale and installation of a home generator want to hit a home run each and every time you can expect to pay a small (?) fortune!
@MooGary1Ай бұрын
I don't mind folks making money, just don't want it ALL made off me!! 😉
@mizzouxc3824Ай бұрын
wow 14k and they're not running your line.
@MooGary1Ай бұрын
Yeah, tough...
@nhojcamАй бұрын
we were without power after a hurricane for 8 days. we checked into a generac whole-house standby generator afterwards and absolutely could NOT cost-justify it. $18k. absolutely rip off on installation. i decided to put in a 10-circuit transfer switch myself ($400) and a portable 6500 watt generac ($500) gasoline generator for a grand total of less than $1000 (2023 pricing). did the 30 amp outlet and everything myself. sure, i've got to cart around and go get gas for the generator, but the hassle factor is well worth the $17k difference.
@MooGary1Ай бұрын
Yeah I agree. In my other video I show my set up which is pretty similar to what you are describing kzread.info/dash/bejne/d3-Xu8epYdfdmrA.htmlsi=5oqnRrH6fzKwY18A
@saintmichael7252Ай бұрын
What happens when the gas stations run out of fuel? Last outage I dealt with in Houston, gas stations were tapped in 48hrs
@bfranks7729 күн бұрын
@@saintmichael7252 If you are referring to the freeze in 2021, then you were screwed either way. One of the biggest reasons so many people lost power for so long was that the natural gas production and refining got froze in. Production per day was slashed in half while consumption sky rocketed. We had tons of people in our neighborhood with useless Generac units, as the gas pressure was either too low, or non existent at times. You take risks either way, but I'd rather do some planning / preparation and be in control of those risks.
@hungtsan973313 күн бұрын
@@saintmichael7252get a weeks worth of gas prep ahead
@TananBaboo12 күн бұрын
@@saintmichael7252well, you’re no worse off than not having a generator at that point.
@pedalforsanityАй бұрын
I’ve had one for 6 years and it’s been great. Money spent well worth it. My install all totaled was $8k and I’d gladly spend it again
@MooGary1Ай бұрын
Good deal. How much have you used yours?
@dianewilliamsbarbour4336Ай бұрын
Liked your video. One dealer states they would not and was told by Generac to lock out a heat pump because it would cause problem with the generator. They won't even do a delay start for a heat pump. What are your thoughts, was looking to get 24kw? Thanks.
@MooGary1Ай бұрын
Thanks! Hope it helps. The only problem I could see is if you are undersized on your generator for the loads you are pulling. One thing to consider is that typically you are not starting everything at exactly the same time (start up on motors/compressors being your max current draw) and at full load so you could get away a little less generator than the max load on your panel.
@TexasEngineer4 күн бұрын
@@dianewilliamsbarbour4336 Heat pumps have E-heat that can be electric and combine with the the heat pump electrical load. If you have gas E-heat and install a soft start kit, you should make this work. The auto start feature could switch over at maximum heat pump load and bring down the system if you are also using the electric E-heat. E-heat can also be used during the defrost cycle on some heat pumps. E-heat stands for emergency heat.
@yfdfireman2Ай бұрын
We are similar, 4.3k sqft with electric stove, double oven, electric dryer and a 4 ton ac. I was quoted a 26kw generator with similar costs. We went with a 14kw that runs everything including the ac for about 1/2 the cost. The trick is to use a soft start on the ac which drops inrush from just over 100amps to just under 40. We could actually get by with a 6000 watt generator now. Might be something to look into with your current setup if you want ac.
@MooGary1Ай бұрын
Yup, that's right. I hope folks realize there are lots of options out there and you are not necessarily stuck with the first bid you get.
@davelamboley1695Ай бұрын
Seems I'm in agreement with most of ya's, way to expensive for what ya get. A little romex, a receptacle and 15000 watt generator and I power my house for under $3000. True, I gotta be home but factor in everything and I'm still satisfied.
@MooGary1Ай бұрын
Thats what I ended up doing. Here is that video: kzread.info/dash/bejne/d3-Xu8epYdfdmrA.html
@kenherrera28192 ай бұрын
Your information is spot-on! We had an 18KW system installed two years ago, we have natural gas everything so didn't need as much power, the Generac-authorized dealer handled everything, from permits to supplies to complete install and our price was just a few dollars over 14K. We just wrote a check and they did everything else, it was a complete turn-key transaction! Here is something that was a pleasant surprise for us. Shortly after the install we had the house re-appraised and the appraisal sheet gave us an additional 7-thousand dollars in value for the Generac generator! When considering comparables our home was given a 7-thousand dollars credit for having a generator when the comparables had no such back up power system. In effect, while the generator cost 14-thousand thanks to the added value of our home I feel as though we got the whole thing done for 7-thosuand! I know, We DID pay 14k, but it was wonderful to see that half of that price was tacked onto the value of our home. Everything works perfectly, including Mobile Link and the generator has served us well during several blackouts!
@MooGary12 ай бұрын
You know I hadn't thought about the appraisal value of the home being affected by the installation. Thats a good point. If you are going to have one installed that would help ease the pain. Thanks for the comment!
@philippusviridi65272 ай бұрын
Maybe I missed something here but 15.000 dollars and I still have to run my own gas line? Screw that keep it I will get a portable for my fridge and freezer.
@MooGary12 ай бұрын
I know right! That's essentially what I did and ran a plug to backfeed my panel: kzread.info/dash/bejne/d3-Xu8epYdfdmrA.html
@anthonydooley36162 ай бұрын
I agree. $15,000 is way too much. I don't know why you would need two ATS. I would buy the generator and ATS. Then get a few quotes from local electricians for installation. You can save a bunch of money on installation this way. They added a lot of small things that aren't necessary. like carbon monoxide detector? The generator is outside. A friend of mine bought a brand new propane generator 22kw on marketplace for about half price. It had never been installed and was still in the box. He hooked it up himself and it works fine.
@MooGary12 ай бұрын
For me, I have 2 separate panels that have homeruns back to the meter so that is why they quoted me 2. Agree on the shopping around for sure.
@BrianD-ds4dx2 ай бұрын
If you required two ATS, am I to assume that you have a 400 Amp electrical service? That certainly adds additional work for the individuals who are doing the electrical work but it also makes me wonder if anyone explained to you that you technically probably would have to have load management for your system to work properly. I do see that they bid you on soft starts for your AC. I am a huge fan of those in the south and wish AC companies would push them harder the soft starts can be really good for the compressor
@MooGary12 ай бұрын
Yes that is correct, very observant. I like the soft starts as well, not sure why they haven't transitioned to installing those on the AC units from the factory by default (other than additional cost).
@BrianD-ds4dx2 ай бұрын
@@MooGary1 it is cost, 100%. I’m In the generator business along the Gulf Coast. One comment I will make as a cautionary one is that if you end up running your genset in a summer outage for more than about 36-48 hours continual run, the engine has a tendency to bog down. You will certainly need to add some oil, which I suggest doing after a manual shutdown early in the AM. Thanks for the vid
@bobbray96662 ай бұрын
I'll soon get a quote for a Kohler 20KW unit installed but will probably hire a relative electrician who will wire it on a weekend and then find a plumber for the NG hookup. These generators companies make great margins because they can.
@MooGary12 ай бұрын
Yeah, several folks have mentioned getting someone local to install or doing yourself. I'm not sure if it would affect the warranty on the unit if not a certified installer.
@LifeOnTheRidge2 ай бұрын
Cool video!! I definitely need to start bee keeping 🐝 👍
@MooGary12 ай бұрын
Thanks, and yes!
@danlah13033 ай бұрын
Yep, the companies that specialize in generator installs are making money hand over fist. I got Honeywell-branded Generac at Costco and then found a electrical company that could install it for me including gas hookup which they dug about 6 ft underground using CSST in a conduit. The companies that specialize in generators won't install one if you buy it yourself. So I had to spend a fair amount of time finding a contractor that would. I did the generator sizing myself, which isn't hard if you can do a little bit of research and have a technical-mind. I had to do the work with the gas company to get my meter upgraded, which was a pain. I got 20kw done for about $7-8K back in 2019. I was lucky! I don't know if I could justify $15K.
@MooGary12 ай бұрын
Yup, I agree.
@Coach_Vince3 ай бұрын
Love how they just chill on the scales. Not me! I’m getting off those lying things! Well mine lie! 😂
@MooGary13 ай бұрын
Ha!
@ethanmooberry54453 ай бұрын
Real pretty cows! Love this!
@MooGary13 ай бұрын
Yup!
@1dartow3 ай бұрын
My experience in Tennessee was, the Generator itself was about $5k but the installation was double that.
@MooGary13 ай бұрын
Seems about in line.
@callmelarry74993 ай бұрын
Yep about $2k over charged about right .
@MooGary13 ай бұрын
Yup
@LifeOnTheRidge3 ай бұрын
Great video! Ratchet strap works great too!
@MooGary13 ай бұрын
That's an even better thought!
@Coach_Vince3 ай бұрын
So relaxing 😊
@MooGary13 ай бұрын
Splish splash
@shakyzeg3 ай бұрын
That is a strange cable. It is a 4 prong 240/250v 50amp into the generator, and a 3 prong 120V 30Amp inlet box? You are only using half your power in the generator? I had to watch the video several times to make sure what I saw. If you switch to the correct input connector and buy a cable that supports 250v/50a at both ends, you will be better off. I have had both between my last two houses. I helped my electrician/friend with the installs. I studied the crap out of theses things. I love your input outlet. It is a 125v/30amp (3750watts max) marine grade with a threaded fitting. I see it on docks all the time. I use it on my boat, but it is the 3-prong fitting at both ends. Yours is a non-standard cable.
@MooGary13 ай бұрын
Good question. The 4th "prong" is the ground on the side of the plug. See here for a video that talks about that very thing: kzread.info/dash/bejne/nq6WyqSOlLa7dM4.htmlsi=_fRbwCBF6RoxflTf You've got the full 240V - 50A all the way through.
@AgroPriesttv3 ай бұрын
Woa so amazing
@MooGary13 ай бұрын
Scrumptious
@shazmodeus27953 ай бұрын
$15,000?! That's nuts! I purchased a 22KW Generac whole home generator back in 2018 and it was *only* $6,000 and I thought that was pricey at the time. Can't say I regret it though, have had more than a few long outages during winter storms over the years and the generator kept my entire house heated during those periods.
@MooGary13 ай бұрын
I know! Here is my actual quote: kzread.info/dash/bejne/f3WJxqSIg7Sylbg.htmlsi=doRl1dzMDc6TglfT
@WerkToday3 ай бұрын
Good video.. liked and subscribed.
@MooGary13 ай бұрын
Thanks!
@hammingdad13 ай бұрын
I did this myself a few years ago as well. I looked at the Generac options but instead ended up buying a 2 cylinder larger capacity generator with pressurized oil system and oil filter (which means significantly fewer oil changes) for $2,000. I spent $900 having an electrician install a manual cut over switch and outside port. The advantage of the system NOT being automatic is significant. I hear everyone else's generator start whenever we have a short brown out or very brief failure. If you are on vacation or out shopping, that generator is announcing that there is NOBODY HOME! Also I do not have to deal with the crappy customer service BS. I maintain the generator myself and nobody is snooping at my maintenance or usage as is the case with the big price tag solutions out there (big brother always watching) that cost 2 to 4 times as much for slightly less KW. My electrician said that I can leave the cable plugged in all the time even when not using the generator, so I have done a good job of routing that and I never have to worry about it. I inspect the cable once a year and I run the generator once a week for 5-10 minutes. I change the gasoline out once every 3 to 4 months by simply pumping it out of the generator tank and into one of our cars and burn the gas. An inexpensive electric hand pump makes this easy. I then put fresh new gas in to the generators and the extra storage tanks. So I have a solution which easily runs my whole house, including central A/C for well under $4,000 and it will outlive me.
@MooGary13 ай бұрын
Very nice!
@Mogman1503 ай бұрын
How large of a portable generator did you go with? It looks like I can get a 18 kw 'whole house' system with 200 amp transfer switch for $5200 if I do all the install.
@hammingdad13 ай бұрын
@@Mogman150 It is no longer in production, but back then I purchased a Caterpillar RP 12000 which was a 12 kw generator with a 50 amp 220 main breaker. It is a 2 cyl. engine with pressurized oil system. But there are lots of generators out there with 1 cyl and non pressurized oil system which will do just fine. An 18 kw with the 200 amp transfer switch for 5200 is a great price.
@kindness5130Ай бұрын
@@Mogman150 Which brand did you go with?
@DCSIDPA3 ай бұрын
This assumes you ALREADY have a standby generator. Also, I believe an Interlock is MANDATORY as it would be dangerous to backfeed power onto the utility line if you forget to flip that. I did this standby generator with a manual interlock for several years when I lived in NW Florida. It worked great and was safe for linemen working to restore power after a hurricane. After I retired, I went with an automatic Generac system. Peace of mind.
@MooGary13 ай бұрын
Yeap, its closer to 1% of the cost of the standby if you already have a portable generator but bumps up to 10% if you have to buy a portable generator along with the other components. Either way, lots cheaper. The automatic standby is really nice and convenient.
@xenogenesis96353 ай бұрын
Those oversized gloves killed me, this is too precious!
@MooGary13 ай бұрын
Me too!
@trith724 ай бұрын
That's about spot on for my install cost I had done last September. I only had 1 ATS and I went with the 24kw because I have gas heat and gas hot water heaters and gas dryer so I didn't need the extra few watts. I did have to pay a little extra because my gas and electric were on opposite sides of the house so I had to pay for the cable run across the attic. I have an elderly dad who has dementia, and I work from home in IT so I have to have power at all times, so for me 14k was a solid expense vs having to worry about my dad's health when temps in the home get to 100-120 degrees with no power. We have a lot of power outages down here in Louisiana because our grid is so old and out of date and power companies will not invest in upgrades in this state. Natural gas is dirt cheap and abundant so this was a good trade for the cost, and we've already used it for about 30 hours since install....it's nice to be able to get up, work, and go to bed in a nice warm or cool home while you neighbors are packing everything they own and trying to find a place to stay or a hotel that hasn't filled up. I can see the 14k being a tough pill to swallow if you circumstances don't 100% require it like mine did. I also have no issues with Mobilelink, it works great and never drops or goes down. My Installer is Johnny on the spot too, and they have come by twice since install just to check on things. I think a lot of it is a crap shoot on whether you get a reputable company or a fly by night. The one i went with has been around here for 30 years and is family owned. There are a lot of "pop up" installers unfortunately (especially after bad weather) who disappear like steam after the install is done, and they usually botch several things in the process. I got lucky and did my research.
@MooGary14 ай бұрын
Yup, perfect scenario for this application. We went all electric (except tankless water heaters and gas logs) so our wattage was higher.
@jc-33754 ай бұрын
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@MooGary14 ай бұрын
Amen! I too thought of heaven when we had these cinnamon rolls 😉
@richardbenson40484 ай бұрын
My experience in New Jersey. Cost of installation was 3 times the cost of the generator. Getting local government approvals took weeks. The mobile link does not work because I can't get connection. Requested help from installer, mobile link, and Generac but no response. Paying for service that doesn't work. Neighbor has same setup with similar problems. Any service form Install company of Generac is excessive in cost. Everything displayed is accurate as far as I can tell looking at my contract. My COPD requires oxygen that I get from respirator machines that I need 24 hrs a day. Since I don't think I can rely on the utility company. I bought the Generac. All three of the companies involved in the installation and Maintenace will not respond to any calls for help. I can't say if the other vendors of systems like this are any better or worse. Such have our companies become in this country. We are left with recourse but to accept the situation.
@MooGary14 ай бұрын
Wow! We ultimately decided against doing this after going through the quote, but reviews like this would have certainly helped us make our decision. We put in a backfeed plug ourselves (I need to do a video on that) and can run a portable generator to serve our purpose (and our budget), but we don't have the medical issues like you described either... We also didn't have to get approvals, so that would be another cost/headache for folks to consider. I hate to hear it's gone badly for you, but thanks for commenting and helping others!
@blackrifle6736Ай бұрын
*Once again New Jersey living down to its reputation. In your case and that of many others, "You get what you vote for" can be a life-threatening experience. Cheers and best wishes from a happy Florida 26K Generac 7291 owner.*
@gandalfgreyhame3425Ай бұрын
Just installed a 22kW Generac with transfer switch panel for $11k total cost, by a major local Generac dealer- installer, after a tornado went through north Houston and wiped out power to half the city for four days. This guy had a Special Sale going with the HOA president and half the houses on our street got one. We had gotten another quote for $15k from another local electrician company when we found out about this special. It would not connect to wifi initially, even though my phone could see the wifi fine outside the house, so I called Generac, they said these generators had very weak wifis and needed a wifi extender. Bought a wifi extender on Amazon, put it inside the garage near the Generac, voila, it connected! But that process somehow messed up the time zone setting. Called Generac again, they could now see the generator since it was linked on wifi, and they said it was a software glitch, so they got their software tech guys to fix the time zone glitch in our generator remotely. That part took about 15 minutes. Got the Mobil Link app to work. You don't need to pay a fee for the basic link to see if your generator is healthy. The paid Mobil Link service just has added features like allowing you to turn the generator on remotely from your phone. All in all, I would say your problems are with the state of New Jersey and your local utilities and local installers, not with Generac.
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Ours was similar to yours in upstate NY. The 14KW unit was $3600, that included the 200A transfer switch. The electrical install cost totaled $10,000 and the propane connection was extra. However, this was for my parents and after Hurricane Fran(?), and a week without power, it gives me peace of mind to know that it is ready to go. And ever since, it has worked fine. Every 2 years, I do the maintenance kit(filter and oil change), which is not too bad and after 10 years, I changed the spark plugs. It gets periodic use and there has been only one time that the unit had to run for more than 3 days. (Mom is 85 now....)
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Generac is junk , ridiculously expensive, very loud . Honda is much quieter, Bluetooth starting , and propane conversion. In my opinion a much better option.
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Very loud, expensive, junk
I think the dBs are listened in the quote 😅
How do you handle the adequate natural gas supply. Does someone check out the meter to see if the supply is large enough? Also can the gas company supply the gas? I am all electric with 150 amp service and electric strip heat and I have a natural gas line in my easement. I can’t justify the cost savings to convert to gas based on electric cost savings. There is about a $40 minimum charge for gas per month. Is propane a viable option? Gasoline goes bad and hard to purchase during a power outage. Diesel, how long will it last in storage? Are there any diesel generators available?
The guys coming out to do the install will look at the size of your gas meter. I believe in the quote it spells out the flow rate required. With a 150 amp circuit, your generator is going to be smaller than the one I had quoted. Yes they have propane versions and those are very popular. You'll need a tank, but if you are not using natural now (or don't have that available in the first place) then many folks go propane. Diseal is usually used in industrial applications.
@@MooGary1 Thanks for the good information. The Texas winter storm, Uri, put a kink in my generator plans. You see my electric heater is on a 100 amp breaker and can pull 82 or 42 amps (high or low speed). Every thing was good to go with my new 5 ton variable speed ac that draws only 16 amps on high. Then I found out I had to compensate for heating too. Plus 4500 w electric water heater, I think I may need a bigger generator. I also need to upgrade my breaker box because of age and the obsolete brand of breakers. The whole thing is in a permanent dilemma over the propane tank. How big, rent or buy, and how to get it refilled especially during a natural disaster. The propane companies are picky on refilling anything but their own tanks. And when you have very low usage during a typical year, things get awkward on refills. Now the unknown question, will propane work in the 20’s F? It is looking like a dual fuel generator, propane and gasoline is the best option. Propane for long term storage and gasoline for refill-ability during an outage. Does Generac come in dual fuel?
One more cost. we had a power outage here in Houston area due to a small Hurricane. Four days. The natural gas usage came out to $110 a day . $ 450.00 . Our average gas bill is $ 40 a month. We have a gas stove and a water heater. I figured out for Gasoline it would have been $151.00 max. Something to think about.
Yeah thats right. Are you saying gasoline would have spent $151 on gasoline per day max or for that 4 day duration?
Generac hates you for putting the total cost. But it's better to be upfront with the total. You might not be able to afford all that money. Thank you for making the video.
Prolly so. Thanks! I figured others would be curious to get some ball parks.
Generac... is over-rated.....
Who would you say has the best system?
Thank you for the information!! We live in Texas where if there’s any kind of natural disaster our elected officials run 🏃🏼 out of the country!! That way they don’t get blamed for (more) deaths and mismanagement of a crisis. We are currently using a portable generator (gas/propane). The biggest problem most folks, who have generators face is 1. Hoping it starts, 2. Enough fuel for said generator, and 3. Finding fuel after power goes out for days! I wondered about the fuel, LPG or natural gas. I looked at adding a line a few years ago and it was in the $5,000 range. Sounds like a lot but if you can’t get gas or propane you are sunk!!! I will revisit that and a large LPG tank. Getting too old to wag 5 gallon LP/gas containers around. Sigh!
Yeah that's a good point. If/when I buy another portable generator it will have trifuel capability so that I can use natural gas (which we have at the house) in scenarios where you can't get gasoline or propane.
Just clarification: the only politicians to run out of Texas were democrats. Don’t make a single case the norm on the rest of those who did not.
Can you finance the installation fees?
No idea there.
Yes the entire job can be financed. Texas electrician here
I would be in heaven if I saw this beautiful sight 💕
They were
Good mommas those bison! Protect those babies.
Yup, very sweet.
Estimated Costs Generac 26KW Generator: $5,000 - $6,000 200 Amp ATS: $500 - $800 Concrete Pad: $200 - $400 Wiring and Conduit: $400 - $700 Connectors and Fittings: $50 - $100 Flexible Conduit: $50 - $100 Grounding Rods and Wire: $50 - $100 Generator Battery: $100 - $150 Fuel Supply Components: $200 - $400 Total Estimated Cost Low End: $6,550 High End: $8,750
Good thoughts. Mine did have 2 ATSs due to having 2 panels home run fed from the meter.
2261.10 for basic install materials? Really? That's BS. The labor is 4K with his quote. The price of the generator is has another 1K added. You can get both the ATS and Generator for under 7K.
Man I know it.
Red dogs. Nice to see Park Police keeping dumb tourists away from the bison 🦬
We were in Yellowstone end of May, early June this year and the baby bison were everywhere. The best.
Nice! This was last week.
Were there two breakers in the generator ?
Not in the generator
@@MooGary1 why two transfer switches ?
Generac recently quoted us $28K, main reason was distance from generator to service panel, size of generator, and gas plumbing. Hill Country Texas. For $40K (after tax credit) we can get a solar system with battery backup that will power the entire house, and no more electric bill ($350/mo). Solar prices and batteries are dropping fast this Spring, finally getting to where they make sense financially - especially if you take of $28K that it would cost for a generator. I did get 2 other quotes, cheapest was $26K.
Wow! For what size load?
32kw, actually needed a bit more but that was the smallest that they said they could install due to our loads. That or rewire house with backup circuits separated.
How long do the solar panels last? My experience with solar landscape lighting has not been very impressive.
@@6-Ironthey come with a warranty that has them at 92% of new output at 25 years, at my age I won’t know when they fail.
We live in Florida and my wife and I are both 79 years old, we decided that we needed a backup generator. Like you say the price is outrageous, but living in florida everything is way way over priced, but what can you do, you either pay or go without. At our age going without was not an option. I wish we did this years ago. I agree with this guy.
Price is outrageous? You must not have a clue what labor and materials, not to mention training to get these generators up and running.
Sounds like a perfect use case for a system like this for sure.
Well I had this bright idea that I was going to get a home back up generator like this Generac here, since most of my neighbors have it and the last time we had a hurricane outage, it lasted 21 days. But then my wife has a brighter idea. She says why not go for solar panels instead. So I did. For a net cost of $16,500 I now have a 12 kilowatt system that generates power every day. There are at least four months of the year where my electric bill is negative (I pay zero) and the utility saves the KWHrs for me. I love it. We haven't had a power outage since I got the panels so I'm way ahead. Ha.
Nice! What part of the country are you in?
Get the Kohler. Better generator.
I should have gotten a quote from them as well to compare.
@@MooGary1 it’s more light commercial, has better through put and provides cleaner power. The remote monitoring features by the dealer and auto shut off on low oil are worth the extra for the 26kw.
In my personal experience, you can save several thousand dollars if you are willing to act as the general contractor, hiring the plumber and electrician. You will save even more if you are willing to install the trench yourself. Even renting a large trencher will likely be at least $1,000 less than having the plumber do it.
That's a really good suggestion to help take the edge off the cost.
Since most involved with the sale and installation of a home generator want to hit a home run each and every time you can expect to pay a small (?) fortune!
I don't mind folks making money, just don't want it ALL made off me!! 😉
wow 14k and they're not running your line.
Yeah, tough...
we were without power after a hurricane for 8 days. we checked into a generac whole-house standby generator afterwards and absolutely could NOT cost-justify it. $18k. absolutely rip off on installation. i decided to put in a 10-circuit transfer switch myself ($400) and a portable 6500 watt generac ($500) gasoline generator for a grand total of less than $1000 (2023 pricing). did the 30 amp outlet and everything myself. sure, i've got to cart around and go get gas for the generator, but the hassle factor is well worth the $17k difference.
Yeah I agree. In my other video I show my set up which is pretty similar to what you are describing kzread.info/dash/bejne/d3-Xu8epYdfdmrA.htmlsi=5oqnRrH6fzKwY18A
What happens when the gas stations run out of fuel? Last outage I dealt with in Houston, gas stations were tapped in 48hrs
@@saintmichael7252 If you are referring to the freeze in 2021, then you were screwed either way. One of the biggest reasons so many people lost power for so long was that the natural gas production and refining got froze in. Production per day was slashed in half while consumption sky rocketed. We had tons of people in our neighborhood with useless Generac units, as the gas pressure was either too low, or non existent at times. You take risks either way, but I'd rather do some planning / preparation and be in control of those risks.
@@saintmichael7252get a weeks worth of gas prep ahead
@@saintmichael7252well, you’re no worse off than not having a generator at that point.
I’ve had one for 6 years and it’s been great. Money spent well worth it. My install all totaled was $8k and I’d gladly spend it again
Good deal. How much have you used yours?
Liked your video. One dealer states they would not and was told by Generac to lock out a heat pump because it would cause problem with the generator. They won't even do a delay start for a heat pump. What are your thoughts, was looking to get 24kw? Thanks.
Thanks! Hope it helps. The only problem I could see is if you are undersized on your generator for the loads you are pulling. One thing to consider is that typically you are not starting everything at exactly the same time (start up on motors/compressors being your max current draw) and at full load so you could get away a little less generator than the max load on your panel.
@@dianewilliamsbarbour4336 Heat pumps have E-heat that can be electric and combine with the the heat pump electrical load. If you have gas E-heat and install a soft start kit, you should make this work. The auto start feature could switch over at maximum heat pump load and bring down the system if you are also using the electric E-heat. E-heat can also be used during the defrost cycle on some heat pumps. E-heat stands for emergency heat.
We are similar, 4.3k sqft with electric stove, double oven, electric dryer and a 4 ton ac. I was quoted a 26kw generator with similar costs. We went with a 14kw that runs everything including the ac for about 1/2 the cost. The trick is to use a soft start on the ac which drops inrush from just over 100amps to just under 40. We could actually get by with a 6000 watt generator now. Might be something to look into with your current setup if you want ac.
Yup, that's right. I hope folks realize there are lots of options out there and you are not necessarily stuck with the first bid you get.
Seems I'm in agreement with most of ya's, way to expensive for what ya get. A little romex, a receptacle and 15000 watt generator and I power my house for under $3000. True, I gotta be home but factor in everything and I'm still satisfied.
Thats what I ended up doing. Here is that video: kzread.info/dash/bejne/d3-Xu8epYdfdmrA.html
Your information is spot-on! We had an 18KW system installed two years ago, we have natural gas everything so didn't need as much power, the Generac-authorized dealer handled everything, from permits to supplies to complete install and our price was just a few dollars over 14K. We just wrote a check and they did everything else, it was a complete turn-key transaction! Here is something that was a pleasant surprise for us. Shortly after the install we had the house re-appraised and the appraisal sheet gave us an additional 7-thousand dollars in value for the Generac generator! When considering comparables our home was given a 7-thousand dollars credit for having a generator when the comparables had no such back up power system. In effect, while the generator cost 14-thousand thanks to the added value of our home I feel as though we got the whole thing done for 7-thosuand! I know, We DID pay 14k, but it was wonderful to see that half of that price was tacked onto the value of our home. Everything works perfectly, including Mobile Link and the generator has served us well during several blackouts!
You know I hadn't thought about the appraisal value of the home being affected by the installation. Thats a good point. If you are going to have one installed that would help ease the pain. Thanks for the comment!
Maybe I missed something here but 15.000 dollars and I still have to run my own gas line? Screw that keep it I will get a portable for my fridge and freezer.
I know right! That's essentially what I did and ran a plug to backfeed my panel: kzread.info/dash/bejne/d3-Xu8epYdfdmrA.html
I agree. $15,000 is way too much. I don't know why you would need two ATS. I would buy the generator and ATS. Then get a few quotes from local electricians for installation. You can save a bunch of money on installation this way. They added a lot of small things that aren't necessary. like carbon monoxide detector? The generator is outside. A friend of mine bought a brand new propane generator 22kw on marketplace for about half price. It had never been installed and was still in the box. He hooked it up himself and it works fine.
For me, I have 2 separate panels that have homeruns back to the meter so that is why they quoted me 2. Agree on the shopping around for sure.
If you required two ATS, am I to assume that you have a 400 Amp electrical service? That certainly adds additional work for the individuals who are doing the electrical work but it also makes me wonder if anyone explained to you that you technically probably would have to have load management for your system to work properly. I do see that they bid you on soft starts for your AC. I am a huge fan of those in the south and wish AC companies would push them harder the soft starts can be really good for the compressor
Yes that is correct, very observant. I like the soft starts as well, not sure why they haven't transitioned to installing those on the AC units from the factory by default (other than additional cost).
@@MooGary1 it is cost, 100%. I’m In the generator business along the Gulf Coast. One comment I will make as a cautionary one is that if you end up running your genset in a summer outage for more than about 36-48 hours continual run, the engine has a tendency to bog down. You will certainly need to add some oil, which I suggest doing after a manual shutdown early in the AM. Thanks for the vid
I'll soon get a quote for a Kohler 20KW unit installed but will probably hire a relative electrician who will wire it on a weekend and then find a plumber for the NG hookup. These generators companies make great margins because they can.
Yeah, several folks have mentioned getting someone local to install or doing yourself. I'm not sure if it would affect the warranty on the unit if not a certified installer.
Cool video!! I definitely need to start bee keeping 🐝 👍
Thanks, and yes!
Yep, the companies that specialize in generator installs are making money hand over fist. I got Honeywell-branded Generac at Costco and then found a electrical company that could install it for me including gas hookup which they dug about 6 ft underground using CSST in a conduit. The companies that specialize in generators won't install one if you buy it yourself. So I had to spend a fair amount of time finding a contractor that would. I did the generator sizing myself, which isn't hard if you can do a little bit of research and have a technical-mind. I had to do the work with the gas company to get my meter upgraded, which was a pain. I got 20kw done for about $7-8K back in 2019. I was lucky! I don't know if I could justify $15K.
Yup, I agree.
Love how they just chill on the scales. Not me! I’m getting off those lying things! Well mine lie! 😂
Ha!
Real pretty cows! Love this!
Yup!
My experience in Tennessee was, the Generator itself was about $5k but the installation was double that.
Seems about in line.
Yep about $2k over charged about right .
Yup
Great video! Ratchet strap works great too!
That's an even better thought!
So relaxing 😊
Splish splash
That is a strange cable. It is a 4 prong 240/250v 50amp into the generator, and a 3 prong 120V 30Amp inlet box? You are only using half your power in the generator? I had to watch the video several times to make sure what I saw. If you switch to the correct input connector and buy a cable that supports 250v/50a at both ends, you will be better off. I have had both between my last two houses. I helped my electrician/friend with the installs. I studied the crap out of theses things. I love your input outlet. It is a 125v/30amp (3750watts max) marine grade with a threaded fitting. I see it on docks all the time. I use it on my boat, but it is the 3-prong fitting at both ends. Yours is a non-standard cable.
Good question. The 4th "prong" is the ground on the side of the plug. See here for a video that talks about that very thing: kzread.info/dash/bejne/nq6WyqSOlLa7dM4.htmlsi=_fRbwCBF6RoxflTf You've got the full 240V - 50A all the way through.
Woa so amazing
Scrumptious
$15,000?! That's nuts! I purchased a 22KW Generac whole home generator back in 2018 and it was *only* $6,000 and I thought that was pricey at the time. Can't say I regret it though, have had more than a few long outages during winter storms over the years and the generator kept my entire house heated during those periods.
I know! Here is my actual quote: kzread.info/dash/bejne/f3WJxqSIg7Sylbg.htmlsi=doRl1dzMDc6TglfT
Good video.. liked and subscribed.
Thanks!
I did this myself a few years ago as well. I looked at the Generac options but instead ended up buying a 2 cylinder larger capacity generator with pressurized oil system and oil filter (which means significantly fewer oil changes) for $2,000. I spent $900 having an electrician install a manual cut over switch and outside port. The advantage of the system NOT being automatic is significant. I hear everyone else's generator start whenever we have a short brown out or very brief failure. If you are on vacation or out shopping, that generator is announcing that there is NOBODY HOME! Also I do not have to deal with the crappy customer service BS. I maintain the generator myself and nobody is snooping at my maintenance or usage as is the case with the big price tag solutions out there (big brother always watching) that cost 2 to 4 times as much for slightly less KW. My electrician said that I can leave the cable plugged in all the time even when not using the generator, so I have done a good job of routing that and I never have to worry about it. I inspect the cable once a year and I run the generator once a week for 5-10 minutes. I change the gasoline out once every 3 to 4 months by simply pumping it out of the generator tank and into one of our cars and burn the gas. An inexpensive electric hand pump makes this easy. I then put fresh new gas in to the generators and the extra storage tanks. So I have a solution which easily runs my whole house, including central A/C for well under $4,000 and it will outlive me.
Very nice!
How large of a portable generator did you go with? It looks like I can get a 18 kw 'whole house' system with 200 amp transfer switch for $5200 if I do all the install.
@@Mogman150 It is no longer in production, but back then I purchased a Caterpillar RP 12000 which was a 12 kw generator with a 50 amp 220 main breaker. It is a 2 cyl. engine with pressurized oil system. But there are lots of generators out there with 1 cyl and non pressurized oil system which will do just fine. An 18 kw with the 200 amp transfer switch for 5200 is a great price.
@@Mogman150 Which brand did you go with?
This assumes you ALREADY have a standby generator. Also, I believe an Interlock is MANDATORY as it would be dangerous to backfeed power onto the utility line if you forget to flip that. I did this standby generator with a manual interlock for several years when I lived in NW Florida. It worked great and was safe for linemen working to restore power after a hurricane. After I retired, I went with an automatic Generac system. Peace of mind.
Yeap, its closer to 1% of the cost of the standby if you already have a portable generator but bumps up to 10% if you have to buy a portable generator along with the other components. Either way, lots cheaper. The automatic standby is really nice and convenient.
Those oversized gloves killed me, this is too precious!
Me too!
That's about spot on for my install cost I had done last September. I only had 1 ATS and I went with the 24kw because I have gas heat and gas hot water heaters and gas dryer so I didn't need the extra few watts. I did have to pay a little extra because my gas and electric were on opposite sides of the house so I had to pay for the cable run across the attic. I have an elderly dad who has dementia, and I work from home in IT so I have to have power at all times, so for me 14k was a solid expense vs having to worry about my dad's health when temps in the home get to 100-120 degrees with no power. We have a lot of power outages down here in Louisiana because our grid is so old and out of date and power companies will not invest in upgrades in this state. Natural gas is dirt cheap and abundant so this was a good trade for the cost, and we've already used it for about 30 hours since install....it's nice to be able to get up, work, and go to bed in a nice warm or cool home while you neighbors are packing everything they own and trying to find a place to stay or a hotel that hasn't filled up. I can see the 14k being a tough pill to swallow if you circumstances don't 100% require it like mine did. I also have no issues with Mobilelink, it works great and never drops or goes down. My Installer is Johnny on the spot too, and they have come by twice since install just to check on things. I think a lot of it is a crap shoot on whether you get a reputable company or a fly by night. The one i went with has been around here for 30 years and is family owned. There are a lot of "pop up" installers unfortunately (especially after bad weather) who disappear like steam after the install is done, and they usually botch several things in the process. I got lucky and did my research.
Yup, perfect scenario for this application. We went all electric (except tankless water heaters and gas logs) so our wattage was higher.
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My experience in New Jersey. Cost of installation was 3 times the cost of the generator. Getting local government approvals took weeks. The mobile link does not work because I can't get connection. Requested help from installer, mobile link, and Generac but no response. Paying for service that doesn't work. Neighbor has same setup with similar problems. Any service form Install company of Generac is excessive in cost. Everything displayed is accurate as far as I can tell looking at my contract. My COPD requires oxygen that I get from respirator machines that I need 24 hrs a day. Since I don't think I can rely on the utility company. I bought the Generac. All three of the companies involved in the installation and Maintenace will not respond to any calls for help. I can't say if the other vendors of systems like this are any better or worse. Such have our companies become in this country. We are left with recourse but to accept the situation.
Wow! We ultimately decided against doing this after going through the quote, but reviews like this would have certainly helped us make our decision. We put in a backfeed plug ourselves (I need to do a video on that) and can run a portable generator to serve our purpose (and our budget), but we don't have the medical issues like you described either... We also didn't have to get approvals, so that would be another cost/headache for folks to consider. I hate to hear it's gone badly for you, but thanks for commenting and helping others!
*Once again New Jersey living down to its reputation. In your case and that of many others, "You get what you vote for" can be a life-threatening experience. Cheers and best wishes from a happy Florida 26K Generac 7291 owner.*
Just installed a 22kW Generac with transfer switch panel for $11k total cost, by a major local Generac dealer- installer, after a tornado went through north Houston and wiped out power to half the city for four days. This guy had a Special Sale going with the HOA president and half the houses on our street got one. We had gotten another quote for $15k from another local electrician company when we found out about this special. It would not connect to wifi initially, even though my phone could see the wifi fine outside the house, so I called Generac, they said these generators had very weak wifis and needed a wifi extender. Bought a wifi extender on Amazon, put it inside the garage near the Generac, voila, it connected! But that process somehow messed up the time zone setting. Called Generac again, they could now see the generator since it was linked on wifi, and they said it was a software glitch, so they got their software tech guys to fix the time zone glitch in our generator remotely. That part took about 15 minutes. Got the Mobil Link app to work. You don't need to pay a fee for the basic link to see if your generator is healthy. The paid Mobil Link service just has added features like allowing you to turn the generator on remotely from your phone. All in all, I would say your problems are with the state of New Jersey and your local utilities and local installers, not with Generac.
Ours was similar to yours in upstate NY. The 14KW unit was $3600, that included the 200A transfer switch. The electrical install cost totaled $10,000 and the propane connection was extra. However, this was for my parents and after Hurricane Fran(?), and a week without power, it gives me peace of mind to know that it is ready to go. And ever since, it has worked fine. Every 2 years, I do the maintenance kit(filter and oil change), which is not too bad and after 10 years, I changed the spark plugs. It gets periodic use and there has been only one time that the unit had to run for more than 3 days. (Mom is 85 now....)