It looks like Shimano have got their act together with the latest software update kzread.info/dash/bejne/oXZst6OHqt2tZ8o.htmlsi=vJeCRbycphpJ8-_O
@vinceduce461Күн бұрын
Just learnt, more in 10 minutes.than in 5 years . Just brilliant. Thank you
@mitch_smithКүн бұрын
wait a minute.... this isn't an RC review!!!!
@manxvibes32Күн бұрын
Brose has best support
@EMTBReview13 сағат бұрын
Good to hear
@vidibitesКүн бұрын
Totally agree with all your thoughts and findings. Bosch is the way to go now. I’m seeing some crazy bike deal from Specialized, Whyte, Trek, Cube and more in the UK.
@j.d.5032 күн бұрын
How well does it ride against a gen 2 levo SL?
@EMTBReview2 күн бұрын
This is faster and more supportive going up hills, I'd say about 20%. Also the range is about 30% better. Downhill, the Levo SL is smoother and has more travel and a bit better with mullet.
@j.d.5032 күн бұрын
@EMTBReview but I have an extender with the levo sl so range should be as good... correct?
@j.d.5032 күн бұрын
Brings me to 480wh.
@j.d.5032 күн бұрын
Also with the inventory issues you have been talking about. My Specialized dealer gave me 25% off, also on the extender so price becomes more inline with an internet brand, but with easier dealer support.
@kangsterizer2 күн бұрын
using the lyft white ebikes theres def. no need for gears for most things.. though some hills are still a problem haha. could be solved by a bigger motor too, and i suspect this one would be too weak and it seems weaker than lyft's. its cool that its a carbon belt though.
@EMTBReview2 күн бұрын
Great observations. Funny thing is ebike commuters just really need 2 speeds... Maybe 3 at most.
@franksnyder3633 күн бұрын
You should try the Barzo in the front with the Mezcal rear. Unless you're on wet rock, it's a great combination
@EMTBReview2 күн бұрын
Great suggestion!!!!!
@bobbybecker803 күн бұрын
What is the brand of motor?
@EMTBReview2 күн бұрын
It's the Mivice M080. 350 watts and 40+ nm torque. Website here: mivice.com/products/rear-hub-motor/
@keluargadijkt20753 күн бұрын
Thank you friend, very important information ,more confident with BOSCH 😎
@EMTBReview3 күн бұрын
You bet. They've really built up their infrastructure in the US. and they've evolved their products each and every year!!
@SubaruWRC19964 күн бұрын
Least for me its no question i'd rather go for a full power e bike. The only thing is can feel it when the motor cuts out
@EMTBReview3 күн бұрын
Full power is where 90% of the initial customer base is going. Opens up options for more riders and the range can't be beat!! Mid power is getting better now with the Fazua Ride 60 motor and the Bosch SC motor options.
@SubaruWRC19963 күн бұрын
@EMTBReview I use it for a commuting bike mostly as it's a 12 mile ride but it's great as its durable and comfy plus gives me a load of power and hills and stuff is no issue 😂 Think it's the first bike I've fell in love with. Does the sl give a noticeable power boost or is it very minor?
@beerenmusli82204 күн бұрын
Thanks for the showcase!!
@EMTBReview3 күн бұрын
No problem!
@K1ngJame5-mtb4 күн бұрын
I also foresee more brands to use the new SRAM powertrain motor system
@EMTBReview3 күн бұрын
That's interesting. Cool they are trying to innovate.
@K1ngJame5-mtb3 күн бұрын
@@EMTBReview the Brose mag 2.2 has been through years of development, while still not completely worry free, they have one of the largest networks for warranty, replacement and report from third party
@K1ngJame5-mtb3 күн бұрын
@@EMTBReview also when do you think the USA market will get Pinion ebikes? The Nicolai looks awesome!
@thecyclesaint4 күн бұрын
Francis, great updates. Especially the report on continued legalization of trails for eMTBs. One problem is that for many outside the cycling industry, when they think of e-bikes, they are picturing Sur-Ron type bikes. There needs to be an increased effort to educate the public on Class 1 eMTBs and separate them out from the rest when we are discussing trail advocacy. We have some work to do to get Class 1 eMTBs legal on all multi-use trails, and this education is part of the solution.
@EMTBReview3 күн бұрын
Absolutely agreed.
@ryanrodriguez12344 күн бұрын
Wondering if you can do a review on Super Human Bikes Weapon or F5 Trail?
@EMTBReview3 күн бұрын
I'll be on the lookout for these.
@NerdsonDirtMTB4 күн бұрын
Stoked to make my way back to CA and hit some trails on my EB that is used to suffer on in my younger days lol
@EMTBReview3 күн бұрын
Yeah, you go back to the Norcal 3000 foot climbs and they are actually fun and manageable now. So do it twice and ride the next day too!
@darranreed61184 күн бұрын
504 error that's all yamaha for me
@EMTBReview4 күн бұрын
Really huh? Introduced many years ago, Yamaha motors have very little penetration in the market.
@MichaelSmith-em7pv4 күн бұрын
I've got two BAFANG BBSHD KITS and they are bulletproof, How do I know, After having multiple crashes on both bikes fitted with the BBSHD, They always endure the accidents with only a magnet or battery needs to be reconnected, Have NO experience with the other brands.
@EMTBReview4 күн бұрын
Very good company in terms of quality and value.
@kevinmortimer18834 күн бұрын
the bosch smart system is not reliable , especially the batteries
@haakon_b4 күн бұрын
Here in Germany literally millions of normal e-bikes are used for daily commuting, shopping etc. Almost every brand moved to Bosch in recent years because they are the most reliable. They do it because the numbers tell them to.
@EMTBReview4 күн бұрын
This is the opposite of my experience with hundreds of ebikes and riders in my circle.
@david0290144 күн бұрын
pretty cool, I wish Giant would do more on their app. I am afraid to use it, I am hearing its bricking bikes...
@EMTBReview3 күн бұрын
Good info. That is crazy that it can brick a motor. I hate these firmware updates sometimes, especially the ones that auto-update on their own without your knowledge.
@Lou-f4 күн бұрын
How many positions has the encoder on the 801 and cx race?
@EMTBReview4 күн бұрын
Shimano EP801 has 3 riding level modes. Bosch CX has 4.
@Lou-f4 күн бұрын
@@EMTBReview encoder not ride modes.
@terrycampbell20374 күн бұрын
Bike seems a bit small for someone over 6 feet tall
@EMTBReview3 күн бұрын
A wee bit small but this rider likes bikes he can throw around
@vashon1004 күн бұрын
Unfortunately people with e motos are poaching class 1 trails and this will be a problem.
@EMTBReview4 күн бұрын
Definitely a problem. We as ebikers need to call them out.
@krucdfumv4 күн бұрын
This is a fantastic video, great tips for an new e bicycle owner.
@EMTBReview4 күн бұрын
Glad you think so!
@robvanduren7614 күн бұрын
If its old stock discounted or new stock my question is DO PEOPLE WANT TO BUY THE BIKES and is the price irrelevant. Maybe the scamming ebike prices of very recent years means people have migrated to other sports and changed their habits. Me personally i will not update my 2019 ebike. If it dies fuck its going in the bin. I will spend more time kayaking and boating with my puppies.
@EMTBReview4 күн бұрын
Good share, thank you. There are hardcore riders who will always ride and buy. There are many on the fringe too with other hobbies
@josephcox22015 күн бұрын
#i dont know what your talking about rattle my bosch cx motor does not rattle Can you please explain
@EMTBReview4 күн бұрын
When you're coasting down a very rocky, bumpy descent, the Bosch motor will rattle like there's a few loose ball bearings inside the motor.
@topspot48345 күн бұрын
Just got them in grey. They're great, you just gotta go up a size. I'm a 10 in Nike, Adidas and Five Ten so I ordered 11 and they fit perfectly. Mostly wore Five Ten Freeriders which are great, but I wanted to try something different with less of a skater aesthetic. These are light, comfortable, have great grip with my DMR Vault pedals, have good protection without too much bulk, and while I can't speak to their durability yet, they're very well made. Never tried BOA but I can see what all the hype is about, they're great and while unnecessary, they're a nice luxury to have (kinda like Fidlock chin straps). Highly recommend!
@EMTBReview4 күн бұрын
Thanks for the share. I agree with all your observations.
@charlesberrisch96805 күн бұрын
I see the Trek exe was tested at 70 rpm. The slowest cadence in the test. The TQ also needs to spin to get more power. Id like to see a retest at 90 rpm.
@EMTBReview4 күн бұрын
Great point! I shall do that.
@oldkayakdude5 күн бұрын
Yep, was just up on Corral riding acoustic yesterday, didn't know the festival was happening. They've allowed class 1 on Corral prior, but TAMBA was shuttling for the event and putting class 1s on Armstrong Connector saying the legalization is happening soonish. Anywhere people shuttle should have instantly allowed class 1, but no. When it does, will be looking to loop Toads from the Armstrong saddle side. The Nevada side has been allowing class 1 for a couple years already.
@EMTBReview4 күн бұрын
Very good share, thank you.
@fuckinellitsraymo5 күн бұрын
Hearsay. The Shimano EP801 is getting an major update soon to give more low grunt and overrun in trail mode the same as the Shimano riders in the EWS. Mine has been 100% reliable unlike my previous two Bosch powerd ebikes and mine has no rattle or clunking like the Bosch
@Durwood715 күн бұрын
I didn't even know Shimano made ebike motors. I've only ever heard of Bosch.
@EMTBReview5 күн бұрын
Yeah, they are the dominant player since almost every bike manufacturer already got drivetrain parts from them.
@joehoeper46485 күн бұрын
Am lean and fit and ride both MTB and eMTB. I've noticed every MTBer who gets mad at me for riding an ebike is an older guy with pot belly and boobs. Seems to me they are projecting their fitness insecurities on me.
@EMTBReview5 күн бұрын
Ha, ha... yeah, long-time mountain bikers are the worst. They dream of their glory days 20 years ago and refuse any kind of change even as their riding and health has really declined. At least they ride. What gets me is haters who don't even ride anymore.
@cyanginpedro5 күн бұрын
love these updates Francis! 😀
@EMTBReview5 күн бұрын
I know it's good when even I am entertained listening to my own banter.
@abikeesclerosada5 күн бұрын
I recently was in Italy, bought a package to see the Giro d'Italia. 2 stages, and 3 rides. Because I have MS I rode with and ebike, I was the first in 2017, before that only "analogic" road bikes. Now, at least 40% are ebikes. People with disabilities, old people, we need ebikes. They are starting to realize that ebikes are to vilains, they are means to an end!!!
@EMTBReview5 күн бұрын
So very good to hear. Ebikes enable folks to get outside, to adventure, and to live
@jcheco595 күн бұрын
I just turn 65 and hoping to get 10 more years of emtb 😊😊
@larryt.atcycleitalia57864 күн бұрын
Most of the time I'm riding my MAHLE-equipped gravel bikes without ANY assist. Maybe I'm getting a better workout? BUT when I used to shift into the "granny ring" on my triple-equipped "acoustic" bikes for a steep climb it's LEVEL 1 now. And I don't fear "biting off more than I can chew" for a ride anymore if I'm short of fitness. I just go.. with the assist in reserve just-in-case. The piece-of-mind for this old geezer is priceless!
@KreshoMTB5 күн бұрын
More and more are switching to Brose as well... even Sram took & rebranded it as its own. Bosch motor broken in Eu takes a month to change, Brose motor took in service done for an hour.
@sijmes5 күн бұрын
Repairing and servicing are two different things.
@EMTBReview5 күн бұрын
Great to hear about Brose. Nice, rattle, free system. I hope they fix their belt issues though.
@KreshoMTB5 күн бұрын
@@sijmes yep, i didnt evem want to mention repairing as Brose motors are repearable for a small amount... there was a video not long ago on embn about it if you need more info.
@haemmertime5 күн бұрын
So for GT, Santa Cruz, Cannondale, Focus, Rotwild, Storck there might another reason as well to choose Bosch for full power e-bikes and Fazua ( which is 100% owned by Porsche) for their light weight. All companies above are part of a joint venture between the Pon Holding and Porsche. So it might look like many companies switch to Bosch but actually it only was one centralised decision (in that particular case). Btw Porsche is planning to offer a complete e-bike system in the future complete with Porsche branded motors, so I am expecting the name fazua to vanish after some time. Edit: The Pon Holding also is share holder of the Accell Group (ghost, Haibike, Lapierre, Koga, Diamandback)
@EMTBReview4 күн бұрын
Good theory. But I honestly don't think there is ANY CHANCE that Pon Holdings will tell the Santa Cruz Bikes product manager to switch motor brands because of a global relationship. Pon Holdings is good at company structure and financial P/L practices. Run a tight and profitable ship. The last thing they will and could do is tell the product experts how to build their product and choose this component over another. That is a sure way to kill a subsidiary and lose the best employees and category experts.
@haemmertime4 күн бұрын
@@EMTBReview good point
@smoke4ndmears5 күн бұрын
I’m looking forward to the pinion systems coming to the US, but I imagine this inventory system is going to hold that up.
@budddy14 күн бұрын
You wont see pinion until 2026-2027 at the soonest. None of their electronics are U.S. compliant and do not have a support network in place. This is information from US dealers and from pinion.
@PedroMartinsEnduro5 күн бұрын
Don't agree at all! I have 3 ebikes all with the shimano and the system is way better than the bosch.Many km/miles in and no problem. The EP801 is a beast! I have friends that have the latest bosch and prefer the Shimano as well. The app is better is more tunable than the Bosch. Not saying that the Bosch is bad, just saying that is this is pure marketing. Some professional riders using bosch are opening their motors after a few hours in... so Just have fun and enjoy the trails no matter what motor you are in! All the motors will need maintenance.
@EMTBReview5 күн бұрын
Thank you very much for your input as it is appreciated. I feel like you would be in a much better position to compare the motors if you owned a bike with the Bosch CXGEN4. The Bosch GEN four is better, because of the following reasons: - The Bosch is faster and stronger. It has more torque iand pulls through a wider range off RPMs. -the Bosch motor has a better torque sensor with higher resolution. This allows it to turn on faster and delivers a more natural riding feel. -Bosch is more battery efficient and it has a couple modes that are automatic, and go from low assist to full assist, allowing less shifting of modes and less dependency on turbo mode. - Bosch now has 600 W our batteries and 750 W hour batteries. And these are compatible with the 250 W hour extender. Thus a rider can have 950 whours if they choose. -The switches and iPhone app of the bosch are better. They have wireless Bluetooth switches and battery indicators that are integrated on the bike frame top tube. They have various display options as well. Shimano is a good and reliable system but they are not progressing fast enough. The mid power options of Bosch, and there services support are key considerations as well.
@PedroMartinsEnduro5 күн бұрын
@@EMTBReview I know the Bosch system very well as I own a orbea wild, gen 4. So I’m in a good position. All motors have good and less good stuff. When I received my Orbea I had to play with the maps because from stock it drained my battery out. This is like talking about brands etc each person and individual has different opinions and it all dependes on the riding style and what matters the most. If you do many climbs long rides you have to play with maps as well. Regarding the battery’s mine is a 900w. No need to have range extenders . All the best !
@basicwrc5 күн бұрын
Do you work for Shinano?
@mr2timer1005 күн бұрын
@@PedroMartinsEnduro I wish my santa and YT cruz had bosch motors! The Shimano EP801 lacks torque and very inefficient ( have a Bullit and a Decoy). Not to mention that the bosch motor is much more quiet. So you have 4 ebikes (3 with shimano and 1 with Bosch)??? Your feedback in interesting because nobody I know (including myself) prefers the Bosch after riding one. The shimano is not bad but the bosch is just that much better IMHO.
@PedroMartinsEnduro4 күн бұрын
@@mr2timer100 Like I said is all about riding preferences and ride styles. You cannot like it but is my personal opinion. Just ride! Peace!
@jokermtb5 күн бұрын
Michigan gets legalized next month for class 1 e-mtb
@EMTBReview4 күн бұрын
Rrrrrright? Progress everywhere, everyday.
@Jcool7215 күн бұрын
Thanks! This was a good overview of the current situation and a bit of the future as well. Oh yeah, nothing bad happens when we ride our bikes :-)
@EMTBReview5 күн бұрын
Very true!
@nobrakes72475 күн бұрын
Shimano. Battery!!! Biggest issue by far To small plus no range extender options
@EMTBReview5 күн бұрын
Absolutely!!!! That's an issue that puts many bikes out of consideration for the educated enthusiast thinking about the future of their ebike purchase.
@burnx455 күн бұрын
Orbea Rise uses Shimano and has a range extender available.
@DaBinChe5 күн бұрын
The problem is that bikes are way overpriced to begin with.
@EMTBReview5 күн бұрын
As far as the 'Inventory Problems'.... yes.
@KreshoMTB5 күн бұрын
True that
@Cheatingforfun5 күн бұрын
Totally agree 👍🏽
@EMTBReview5 күн бұрын
Rrrrright? Great minds think alike
@anthonymorris50846 күн бұрын
A video on reliable fire bags or boxes would be more helpful.
@EMTBReview4 күн бұрын
None will on e-bikes though
@anthonymorris50844 күн бұрын
@@EMTBReview Huh? I'm trying to find a fire proof bag or box to place my battery in when the bike is in my apartment.
@romma116 күн бұрын
If it comes with extender default, that would be awesome bike. In the meantime not interested
@EMTBReview5 күн бұрын
That would be a cool option. But i can see how not everyone will want ot pay $500 more.
@SaulHernandez-ks9yg6 күн бұрын
What do you know about Yamaha motors perfom?
@EMTBReview6 күн бұрын
Yamaha motors seem just ok. A version of it is used in Giant bikes. Seems robust and reliable but nothing special. Would love to see more updates and innovation from them.
@robvanduren7614 күн бұрын
We have 2 Yamaha PWX2 Giant Trance E+1 ebikes brought new at the beginning of 2019. They are a little noisier than other bikes but you get used to it and the good thing is you can hear the motor strain etc and adjust gears quickly. Mine is used harder than my wives one and at over 2000km i had the motor pulled apart and inspected. One of the 2 main bearings was just slightly rough so they were replaced. Also while it was apart the fibre drive cog was replaced with an oem one as a precaution. Total cost including labour was $700 New Zealand Dollars. Also the Panasonic battery was at 95% health. Goes really well but doesnt like a really high cadence.
@paulmaag69586 күн бұрын
Good new about access for e-mountain bikes! Here in Colorado, the "haters" are deminishing! Fuita 18 road is open as of last year. Closure is not being enforced in the west (as far as I know). I bought a Santa Cruz Heckler SL for the stealth. So far so good! But I still ride my Mondraker Level R, with big travel and Bosch on mostly moto trails. Hopefully everything will change after the election.
@EMTBReview6 күн бұрын
So very, very good to hear. The outcome is not in doubt. But how long is the issue as the battle is won region by region.
@edteach3r5 күн бұрын
Good to see. I am in Canada and similar things happening here too, except that such trails are open to Class 1 e-bikes (pedal-assisted, speed-limited and no throttle) only. That is ok with me.
@cwitt4836 күн бұрын
Not just e-bike manufacturers moving away from "Shimano". It's 2nd rate junk in general and so far behind the competition
@EMTBReview6 күн бұрын
I wouldn't say they're garbage but they are just so slow moving in terms of trends and innovation to address the need of the true enthusiasts.
@kyledavis6355 күн бұрын
@@EMTBReview Their brakes are garbage for sure...
@robvanduren7614 күн бұрын
@@kyledavis635 Yeah i put the shit M9000 so called brakes in the forking rubbish bin and brought HOPE TECH 3 E4 awesome awesome brakes
@beerenmusli82204 күн бұрын
This post was made by the shimano hater gang
@brokenlegz6 күн бұрын
Eagerly waiting turbo levo gen4 but if they can’t get rid of all the gen3 it might be a wait time. Maybe better to get a discounted gen3 🤔
@EMTBReview6 күн бұрын
Yeah, Gen3 discounts have switched many folks over to the ebike camp. And gained them many new Specialized fans.
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What mud guard is that?
It looks like Shimano have got their act together with the latest software update kzread.info/dash/bejne/oXZst6OHqt2tZ8o.htmlsi=vJeCRbycphpJ8-_O
Just learnt, more in 10 minutes.than in 5 years . Just brilliant. Thank you
wait a minute.... this isn't an RC review!!!!
Brose has best support
Good to hear
Totally agree with all your thoughts and findings. Bosch is the way to go now. I’m seeing some crazy bike deal from Specialized, Whyte, Trek, Cube and more in the UK.
How well does it ride against a gen 2 levo SL?
This is faster and more supportive going up hills, I'd say about 20%. Also the range is about 30% better. Downhill, the Levo SL is smoother and has more travel and a bit better with mullet.
@EMTBReview but I have an extender with the levo sl so range should be as good... correct?
Brings me to 480wh.
Also with the inventory issues you have been talking about. My Specialized dealer gave me 25% off, also on the extender so price becomes more inline with an internet brand, but with easier dealer support.
using the lyft white ebikes theres def. no need for gears for most things.. though some hills are still a problem haha. could be solved by a bigger motor too, and i suspect this one would be too weak and it seems weaker than lyft's. its cool that its a carbon belt though.
Great observations. Funny thing is ebike commuters just really need 2 speeds... Maybe 3 at most.
You should try the Barzo in the front with the Mezcal rear. Unless you're on wet rock, it's a great combination
Great suggestion!!!!!
What is the brand of motor?
It's the Mivice M080. 350 watts and 40+ nm torque. Website here: mivice.com/products/rear-hub-motor/
Thank you friend, very important information ,more confident with BOSCH 😎
You bet. They've really built up their infrastructure in the US. and they've evolved their products each and every year!!
Least for me its no question i'd rather go for a full power e bike. The only thing is can feel it when the motor cuts out
Full power is where 90% of the initial customer base is going. Opens up options for more riders and the range can't be beat!! Mid power is getting better now with the Fazua Ride 60 motor and the Bosch SC motor options.
@EMTBReview I use it for a commuting bike mostly as it's a 12 mile ride but it's great as its durable and comfy plus gives me a load of power and hills and stuff is no issue 😂 Think it's the first bike I've fell in love with. Does the sl give a noticeable power boost or is it very minor?
Thanks for the showcase!!
No problem!
I also foresee more brands to use the new SRAM powertrain motor system
That's interesting. Cool they are trying to innovate.
@@EMTBReview the Brose mag 2.2 has been through years of development, while still not completely worry free, they have one of the largest networks for warranty, replacement and report from third party
@@EMTBReview also when do you think the USA market will get Pinion ebikes? The Nicolai looks awesome!
Francis, great updates. Especially the report on continued legalization of trails for eMTBs. One problem is that for many outside the cycling industry, when they think of e-bikes, they are picturing Sur-Ron type bikes. There needs to be an increased effort to educate the public on Class 1 eMTBs and separate them out from the rest when we are discussing trail advocacy. We have some work to do to get Class 1 eMTBs legal on all multi-use trails, and this education is part of the solution.
Absolutely agreed.
Wondering if you can do a review on Super Human Bikes Weapon or F5 Trail?
I'll be on the lookout for these.
Stoked to make my way back to CA and hit some trails on my EB that is used to suffer on in my younger days lol
Yeah, you go back to the Norcal 3000 foot climbs and they are actually fun and manageable now. So do it twice and ride the next day too!
504 error that's all yamaha for me
Really huh? Introduced many years ago, Yamaha motors have very little penetration in the market.
I've got two BAFANG BBSHD KITS and they are bulletproof, How do I know, After having multiple crashes on both bikes fitted with the BBSHD, They always endure the accidents with only a magnet or battery needs to be reconnected, Have NO experience with the other brands.
Very good company in terms of quality and value.
the bosch smart system is not reliable , especially the batteries
Here in Germany literally millions of normal e-bikes are used for daily commuting, shopping etc. Almost every brand moved to Bosch in recent years because they are the most reliable. They do it because the numbers tell them to.
This is the opposite of my experience with hundreds of ebikes and riders in my circle.
pretty cool, I wish Giant would do more on their app. I am afraid to use it, I am hearing its bricking bikes...
Good info. That is crazy that it can brick a motor. I hate these firmware updates sometimes, especially the ones that auto-update on their own without your knowledge.
How many positions has the encoder on the 801 and cx race?
Shimano EP801 has 3 riding level modes. Bosch CX has 4.
@@EMTBReview encoder not ride modes.
Bike seems a bit small for someone over 6 feet tall
A wee bit small but this rider likes bikes he can throw around
Unfortunately people with e motos are poaching class 1 trails and this will be a problem.
Definitely a problem. We as ebikers need to call them out.
This is a fantastic video, great tips for an new e bicycle owner.
Glad you think so!
If its old stock discounted or new stock my question is DO PEOPLE WANT TO BUY THE BIKES and is the price irrelevant. Maybe the scamming ebike prices of very recent years means people have migrated to other sports and changed their habits. Me personally i will not update my 2019 ebike. If it dies fuck its going in the bin. I will spend more time kayaking and boating with my puppies.
Good share, thank you. There are hardcore riders who will always ride and buy. There are many on the fringe too with other hobbies
#i dont know what your talking about rattle my bosch cx motor does not rattle Can you please explain
When you're coasting down a very rocky, bumpy descent, the Bosch motor will rattle like there's a few loose ball bearings inside the motor.
Just got them in grey. They're great, you just gotta go up a size. I'm a 10 in Nike, Adidas and Five Ten so I ordered 11 and they fit perfectly. Mostly wore Five Ten Freeriders which are great, but I wanted to try something different with less of a skater aesthetic. These are light, comfortable, have great grip with my DMR Vault pedals, have good protection without too much bulk, and while I can't speak to their durability yet, they're very well made. Never tried BOA but I can see what all the hype is about, they're great and while unnecessary, they're a nice luxury to have (kinda like Fidlock chin straps). Highly recommend!
Thanks for the share. I agree with all your observations.
I see the Trek exe was tested at 70 rpm. The slowest cadence in the test. The TQ also needs to spin to get more power. Id like to see a retest at 90 rpm.
Great point! I shall do that.
Yep, was just up on Corral riding acoustic yesterday, didn't know the festival was happening. They've allowed class 1 on Corral prior, but TAMBA was shuttling for the event and putting class 1s on Armstrong Connector saying the legalization is happening soonish. Anywhere people shuttle should have instantly allowed class 1, but no. When it does, will be looking to loop Toads from the Armstrong saddle side. The Nevada side has been allowing class 1 for a couple years already.
Very good share, thank you.
Hearsay. The Shimano EP801 is getting an major update soon to give more low grunt and overrun in trail mode the same as the Shimano riders in the EWS. Mine has been 100% reliable unlike my previous two Bosch powerd ebikes and mine has no rattle or clunking like the Bosch
I didn't even know Shimano made ebike motors. I've only ever heard of Bosch.
Yeah, they are the dominant player since almost every bike manufacturer already got drivetrain parts from them.
Am lean and fit and ride both MTB and eMTB. I've noticed every MTBer who gets mad at me for riding an ebike is an older guy with pot belly and boobs. Seems to me they are projecting their fitness insecurities on me.
Ha, ha... yeah, long-time mountain bikers are the worst. They dream of their glory days 20 years ago and refuse any kind of change even as their riding and health has really declined. At least they ride. What gets me is haters who don't even ride anymore.
love these updates Francis! 😀
I know it's good when even I am entertained listening to my own banter.
I recently was in Italy, bought a package to see the Giro d'Italia. 2 stages, and 3 rides. Because I have MS I rode with and ebike, I was the first in 2017, before that only "analogic" road bikes. Now, at least 40% are ebikes. People with disabilities, old people, we need ebikes. They are starting to realize that ebikes are to vilains, they are means to an end!!!
So very good to hear. Ebikes enable folks to get outside, to adventure, and to live
I just turn 65 and hoping to get 10 more years of emtb 😊😊
Most of the time I'm riding my MAHLE-equipped gravel bikes without ANY assist. Maybe I'm getting a better workout? BUT when I used to shift into the "granny ring" on my triple-equipped "acoustic" bikes for a steep climb it's LEVEL 1 now. And I don't fear "biting off more than I can chew" for a ride anymore if I'm short of fitness. I just go.. with the assist in reserve just-in-case. The piece-of-mind for this old geezer is priceless!
More and more are switching to Brose as well... even Sram took & rebranded it as its own. Bosch motor broken in Eu takes a month to change, Brose motor took in service done for an hour.
Repairing and servicing are two different things.
Great to hear about Brose. Nice, rattle, free system. I hope they fix their belt issues though.
@@sijmes yep, i didnt evem want to mention repairing as Brose motors are repearable for a small amount... there was a video not long ago on embn about it if you need more info.
So for GT, Santa Cruz, Cannondale, Focus, Rotwild, Storck there might another reason as well to choose Bosch for full power e-bikes and Fazua ( which is 100% owned by Porsche) for their light weight. All companies above are part of a joint venture between the Pon Holding and Porsche. So it might look like many companies switch to Bosch but actually it only was one centralised decision (in that particular case). Btw Porsche is planning to offer a complete e-bike system in the future complete with Porsche branded motors, so I am expecting the name fazua to vanish after some time. Edit: The Pon Holding also is share holder of the Accell Group (ghost, Haibike, Lapierre, Koga, Diamandback)
Good theory. But I honestly don't think there is ANY CHANCE that Pon Holdings will tell the Santa Cruz Bikes product manager to switch motor brands because of a global relationship. Pon Holdings is good at company structure and financial P/L practices. Run a tight and profitable ship. The last thing they will and could do is tell the product experts how to build their product and choose this component over another. That is a sure way to kill a subsidiary and lose the best employees and category experts.
@@EMTBReview good point
I’m looking forward to the pinion systems coming to the US, but I imagine this inventory system is going to hold that up.
You wont see pinion until 2026-2027 at the soonest. None of their electronics are U.S. compliant and do not have a support network in place. This is information from US dealers and from pinion.
Don't agree at all! I have 3 ebikes all with the shimano and the system is way better than the bosch.Many km/miles in and no problem. The EP801 is a beast! I have friends that have the latest bosch and prefer the Shimano as well. The app is better is more tunable than the Bosch. Not saying that the Bosch is bad, just saying that is this is pure marketing. Some professional riders using bosch are opening their motors after a few hours in... so Just have fun and enjoy the trails no matter what motor you are in! All the motors will need maintenance.
Thank you very much for your input as it is appreciated. I feel like you would be in a much better position to compare the motors if you owned a bike with the Bosch CXGEN4. The Bosch GEN four is better, because of the following reasons: - The Bosch is faster and stronger. It has more torque iand pulls through a wider range off RPMs. -the Bosch motor has a better torque sensor with higher resolution. This allows it to turn on faster and delivers a more natural riding feel. -Bosch is more battery efficient and it has a couple modes that are automatic, and go from low assist to full assist, allowing less shifting of modes and less dependency on turbo mode. - Bosch now has 600 W our batteries and 750 W hour batteries. And these are compatible with the 250 W hour extender. Thus a rider can have 950 whours if they choose. -The switches and iPhone app of the bosch are better. They have wireless Bluetooth switches and battery indicators that are integrated on the bike frame top tube. They have various display options as well. Shimano is a good and reliable system but they are not progressing fast enough. The mid power options of Bosch, and there services support are key considerations as well.
@@EMTBReview I know the Bosch system very well as I own a orbea wild, gen 4. So I’m in a good position. All motors have good and less good stuff. When I received my Orbea I had to play with the maps because from stock it drained my battery out. This is like talking about brands etc each person and individual has different opinions and it all dependes on the riding style and what matters the most. If you do many climbs long rides you have to play with maps as well. Regarding the battery’s mine is a 900w. No need to have range extenders . All the best !
Do you work for Shinano?
@@PedroMartinsEnduro I wish my santa and YT cruz had bosch motors! The Shimano EP801 lacks torque and very inefficient ( have a Bullit and a Decoy). Not to mention that the bosch motor is much more quiet. So you have 4 ebikes (3 with shimano and 1 with Bosch)??? Your feedback in interesting because nobody I know (including myself) prefers the Bosch after riding one. The shimano is not bad but the bosch is just that much better IMHO.
@@mr2timer100 Like I said is all about riding preferences and ride styles. You cannot like it but is my personal opinion. Just ride! Peace!
Michigan gets legalized next month for class 1 e-mtb
Rrrrrright? Progress everywhere, everyday.
Thanks! This was a good overview of the current situation and a bit of the future as well. Oh yeah, nothing bad happens when we ride our bikes :-)
Very true!
Shimano. Battery!!! Biggest issue by far To small plus no range extender options
Absolutely!!!! That's an issue that puts many bikes out of consideration for the educated enthusiast thinking about the future of their ebike purchase.
Orbea Rise uses Shimano and has a range extender available.
The problem is that bikes are way overpriced to begin with.
As far as the 'Inventory Problems'.... yes.
True that
Totally agree 👍🏽
Rrrrright? Great minds think alike
A video on reliable fire bags or boxes would be more helpful.
None will on e-bikes though
@@EMTBReview Huh? I'm trying to find a fire proof bag or box to place my battery in when the bike is in my apartment.
If it comes with extender default, that would be awesome bike. In the meantime not interested
That would be a cool option. But i can see how not everyone will want ot pay $500 more.
What do you know about Yamaha motors perfom?
Yamaha motors seem just ok. A version of it is used in Giant bikes. Seems robust and reliable but nothing special. Would love to see more updates and innovation from them.
We have 2 Yamaha PWX2 Giant Trance E+1 ebikes brought new at the beginning of 2019. They are a little noisier than other bikes but you get used to it and the good thing is you can hear the motor strain etc and adjust gears quickly. Mine is used harder than my wives one and at over 2000km i had the motor pulled apart and inspected. One of the 2 main bearings was just slightly rough so they were replaced. Also while it was apart the fibre drive cog was replaced with an oem one as a precaution. Total cost including labour was $700 New Zealand Dollars. Also the Panasonic battery was at 95% health. Goes really well but doesnt like a really high cadence.
Good new about access for e-mountain bikes! Here in Colorado, the "haters" are deminishing! Fuita 18 road is open as of last year. Closure is not being enforced in the west (as far as I know). I bought a Santa Cruz Heckler SL for the stealth. So far so good! But I still ride my Mondraker Level R, with big travel and Bosch on mostly moto trails. Hopefully everything will change after the election.
So very, very good to hear. The outcome is not in doubt. But how long is the issue as the battle is won region by region.
Good to see. I am in Canada and similar things happening here too, except that such trails are open to Class 1 e-bikes (pedal-assisted, speed-limited and no throttle) only. That is ok with me.
Not just e-bike manufacturers moving away from "Shimano". It's 2nd rate junk in general and so far behind the competition
I wouldn't say they're garbage but they are just so slow moving in terms of trends and innovation to address the need of the true enthusiasts.
@@EMTBReview Their brakes are garbage for sure...
@@kyledavis635 Yeah i put the shit M9000 so called brakes in the forking rubbish bin and brought HOPE TECH 3 E4 awesome awesome brakes
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Eagerly waiting turbo levo gen4 but if they can’t get rid of all the gen3 it might be a wait time. Maybe better to get a discounted gen3 🤔
Yeah, Gen3 discounts have switched many folks over to the ebike camp. And gained them many new Specialized fans.