God Rest This Good Man . . . my favorite theologian
@keepclimbing20153 күн бұрын
So good, Tim has such a great way of teaching.
@robertbradford99955 күн бұрын
All the teaching that Jesus and his apostles taught, not one mention of a trinity or a 3 in one God. Jesus is God Son all throughout the bible, but somehow, people want him to be his father so bad. He made known the father. He showed you what the father is like. He gave you the words and teaching of his father. He came in his father's name. He gave us the promise of his father (spirit) it was even his father that raised him from the dead. Jesus even tells us that if you believe in me, you believe in the one who sent me. The bible tells us the father gave his son all authority. The father gave his son Jesus to be the head of the church. I think if we just follow the pattern, we can see the truth. John 8:32
@LastFellowship4 күн бұрын
@@robertbradford9995 yeah this is not true. Go back to the bible and read it all again.
@robertbradford99954 күн бұрын
@@LastFellowship show me where it is not true
@robertbradford99955 күн бұрын
Why are we discussing something that is not in the bible
@LastFellowship4 күн бұрын
@@robertbradford9995 it's all over the bible, you must be reading a different bible or have been taught to read it and interpret it poorly.
@robertbradford99954 күн бұрын
@@LastFellowship show me in scriptures a trinity I'll wait
@robertbradford99954 күн бұрын
@@LastFellowship explain john 3:16 to me then? What does this verse mean?
@vanthawng1547 күн бұрын
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@bernardmichaud10998 күн бұрын
The sign on the cross should read "Jesus, the King of Israel" since the word "Jew" did not exist until ~ the 14th century when books began to be printed. Yet it is used as far back as the book of Esther, re: Mordecai. Esther 2:5. Now in Shushan the palace there was a certain Jew, whose name was Mordecai, the son of Jair, the son of Shimei, the son of Kish, a Benjamite; Esther 2:5. Now in Shushan the palace there was a certain Judean whose name was Mordecai, the son of Jair, the son of Shimei, the son of Kish, a Benjamite;
@paulwise68569 күн бұрын
70th week was 2000 years ago
@paulwise68569 күн бұрын
You forgot predatist, it has already happened, some standing here will see my return, those who pierced him will see, some standing here will not pass away
@Lili-Benovent10 күн бұрын
TRIBULATION - Lili When Jesus opens his holy Court as Tribulation begins How will he judge Australian Natives from sixty thousand years ago, How will he judge Neanderthals who knew nothing of his sins, And what of cold country races who survived in ice and snow? They lived long before he created the world and all the stars They’ve broken every commandment of which they didn’t know. - To Jesus it’s all black and white, they either live in bliss or burn No shades of gray in his decisions, they really should have known The story of the Lord of love who is sending them to Hell For the sin of ignorance to suffer torture all alone How does this sit with God’s conscience, or does he just not care? Burning his creations he made with love, for sins they hadn’t known. - And what of others who live blameless lives but know not of his rules They’ll join the fiends and murderers down in that fearful pit God’s justice doesn’t discriminate, into the fiery pool When Christians see their loved ones destined for the fire Do they question the sanity of this Judge with no empathy at all, Or do they grovel at his feet, they’re saved, escaped his ire. - This God should be the one on trial for breaking his own rules Displaying hate for his own children, committing murder and mayhem And making life so miserable for those within his flock With a myriad of petty laws imposed that he calls “sin” Demanding love, obedience, as hard as granite rock Sentence God to Hell, forgotten , lost, and then our lives begin.
@Lili-Benovent10 күн бұрын
TOMORROW’S FEARS - Lili Tomorrow when you wake again and find the world’s still here With all the zest of yesterday to sadden or to cheer There was no massive holocaust, no dead raised from the ground His promise to float you up, journey to your trials Will have to wait another day, trepidation all unfound. And when this happens every day throughout the years to come Will your faith grow stronger or will the doubts creep in? No planning for the future here or there, your life embroiled in sin For if he only takes the perfect, whose life on Earth was pure What of the human aspect, into the fire succumb. The holy ones judge each other, before the judgment day From the pulpit condemn, decry, their fellow travelers as impure The Judges of the Judges before the Earth implodes And everyone made to account, the strongest voice not sure A life of prayer gone all to waste, as confidence corrodes. Why worry of a future bleak, why think of future fears For if you try to change your fate, the world goes on unheeded There’ll be no Tribulation, Man’s destruction his own doing No God above, no day in Court, no casting out, all regrets unneeded Why worry of the rantings of those who think they know Of Spirits of the Underworld, pain and bliss, imaginations flow. Just take what comes, tell your God of hate Your life is not for him, your only life is yours So be it if you shun control, he won’t control your fate Your life on Earth is not to live with fear and shame and guilt The guilt is his, he made the snake, he cannot now berate Berate us for being human, Why then the potters hand did shake?
@onetakendotnet11 күн бұрын
Post-tribbers and pre-tribbers are partially right. 1 Thes 4:13-17 is the second coming with the only material resurrection for the saints which is on the last day, last trumpet (John 6:39-54, 11:24, Rev 20:4-6, 1 Cor 15:52). Luke 17:22-37 is the pre-trib rapture without a material resurrection. There is a flash of light and dead bodies (verse 37) when life seems normal (eating, drinking, etc.). We leave our flesh on earth.
@arqist11 күн бұрын
Michael Heiser did not achieve anything with his 'open' view on the eschatology. Remember, God is not the author of confusion. The reason why he can't get the definite answer is because he is using ESV as his main Bible. If you rightly divide the God's words in the KJV, you can't be confused.
@LastFellowship10 күн бұрын
@@arqist I love when crazy people get out of the asylum.
@arqist10 күн бұрын
@@LastFellowship sigh…
@LastFellowship10 күн бұрын
@@arqist yeah, *sigh* is right KJ only people are like a cult.
@arqist10 күн бұрын
@@LastFellowship There is a reason why there are ‘KJV-onlyists’ but not ‘ESV-onlyists’ or proponents of other modern translations. I encourage you to explore all perspectives and decide for yourself, as I did. Some KJV-onlyists may have weak support for their views because they haven’t studied enough and simply follow their favorite preacher’s beliefs. However, in my case, I tried to debunk KJV-onlyism but ended up becoming a KJV-onlyist myself. I found that it is the only translation that remains without contradictions and exhibits undeniable signs of divine inspiration, such as numerical patterns unique to the KJV, established long before the invention of personal computers. For more information, you can watch Brandon Peterson’s video on this topic. You can say all kinds of harsh things to me, but I will speak the truth. You will always be confused and will never get sound doctrine if you use other modern translations and not the KJV.
@hubertlancaster15 күн бұрын
The Great Tribulation at the end of the age is a great deception. It has always been great tribulation against the church throughout the ages. Those whom the Catholic Church burnt at the stake could testify to that. The first resurrection happened when Jesus rose from the dead and many of these went into the cities and showed themselves alive. These were the first fruits unto God mentioned as 144,000 out of every tribe of Israel. There was a resurrection at the end of the Old Covenant and there will be a resurrection at the end of the New Testament age, John saw these in Revelation 7. There will be a rapture in 1st Thessalonians the 4th chapter however, the 5th chapter continues the narrative and promises destruction at his coming. Luke in the 16th or 17th chapters also tells us that the coming of the Lord will be in some ways somewhat like it was during the flood of Noah. They were all going about their business and they were suddenly destroyed. Peter in the 3rd chapter of 2 Perer says that the lord is longsuffering because he is not willing that any should perish for lack of repentance, think about that. The conclusion is that this unrepented world is about to perish. There are those that are preaching peace and safety for the world when Jesus comes, but they will suffer sudden destruction when Jesus comes to take His people out.
@meninatym43517 күн бұрын
Thanks for uploading this. Mike does talk about his twice invitation by this host. Speaks highly of Mike’s respect for other view points. We all should continue to support ($) Drena.
@bigbearn138318 күн бұрын
It's unfortunate he doesn't include St Augustines 6 possible interpretation
@TheAcademyBarcelona19 күн бұрын
❤ fantastic class by the late Dr Michael Heiser. He is sorely missed!
@mirozkapeluszem21 күн бұрын
55:00
@TommyStahrАй бұрын
I believe the rapture is coming soon but most Christians will be left behind because of bigotry on the Religious right, and idolatry on the left. The Image of the Beast is right in front of you. Rev 13:11-16 is America. 2Thess2:11 is here. They believe THE LIE. 1946themovie proves the Bible is not anti-gay. Matthew 7 is trampled by the church of the right. Compare Exodus 13:16, Rev 13:16 & Matt 5:29. The Mark of the Beast is SIN. You must be born again. John 3:3. The Mark of God is the Holy Spirit. It's a spiritual Mark, it's a real image. Rapture 1st. Then America burns (Rev18:4, 1st rapture). The head of the Beast is resurrected. Babylon the Whore is the Beast. After she burns, then Zechariah 14. Rev 19 & Zech 14 is the same day. Turn off the world and turn on Jesus.
@ritaoosthuizen6521Ай бұрын
Too complicated and confusing.Try and take what Jesus taught Paul at His word in 1Thessalonians 4 and 5 referring also to verses 9,10,11.Therefore encourage one another. Believe Jesus and pray to God everyday.
@TommyStahrАй бұрын
2Thess2:11 is here. Trump is lawless, the church is fallen. Luke 21:24, Times up! See Daniel 7:25, Dan. 12:7 & Rev 12:14. The "Little Horn" is FALSE ABRAHAMIC RELIGIONS! 1. Time=Catholicism. Pompous Eyes of the Pope 2. Times=Islam. Eyes of the Ayatollah. 3. Half a Time =Conservativism (America, specifically today). Pompous Eyes of the LAWLESS ONE (Daniel 11:36-45 & 2Thess2). It's ALL FULFILLED. Rev 13:11-16 & Rev 18 are America. Two horns "like a lamb" (Jesus is the Lamb) are right-wing Christians and Catholics destroying the world for the anti-gay & anti-women lies. 1946themovie proves the Bible is not anti-gay. It’s clearly anti-hate. Leviticus 19:18 is the one Jesus quoted. The Image of the Beast is right in front of you. It's all the world fills their minds with and gives their time. TV, movies, Facebook, KZread, Instagram, Tik-tok, X, etc. Compare Exodus 13:16, Rev 13:16 & Matt 5:29. The Mark of the Beast is SIN. The Mark of God is the Holy Spirit. You must be BORN AGAIN (John 3:3) It's Jesus or the Beast you serve. The world is the Beast. Turn off the world and turn on Jesus.
@EndGenerationАй бұрын
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@dawnheinen7347Ай бұрын
Well thinking about it, if you were not all in in belief then tribulations occurs including taking the true believers wouldn’t some that were wushu wouldn’t they commit all the way even after the tribulation and therefore have to endure until their death. Just thinking😊
@SabreenWolfАй бұрын
Thank You so much for sharing these podcasts, I am truly grateful! I never thought I would be able to listen to these shows. I was afraid they were lost forever 😢 Praying Blessings to you and your's 🙏🙂🙏
@mephi654Ай бұрын
Two points: Firstly, the entire church can be taken prior to experiencing wrath, yet every person saved during that wrath is added to the church (Revelation 12:11 & Revelation 20:4). Secondly, WHEN can be determined by realizing the rapture is connected to a resurrection (1 Thessalonians 4:15-16). Isaiah 26:19-21 teaches of a resurrection of singing (ie - joy & worship) that takes place *_before_* the indignation of the LORD is poured out on the inhabitants of the earth!!! Before the indignation is pour out. That resurrection is followed by an invitation to his people to “come” and shelter themselves in their chambers until the indignation is past. This resurrection is the key to determining when the rapture occurs.
@HChartierKJVАй бұрын
I believe the Rapture is Post Trib, Pre Wrath. 3.5 years Tribulation of the Saints(Christians). The Falling away and Antichrist is Revealed before the Rapture, right before the 3.5 years of Tribulation Period. 2 Thessalonians 2 King James Version 1 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him, 2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand. 3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; 4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God. Immediately After the Tribulation of those days the Rapture takes place. Matthew 24:29-30 King James Version 29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: 30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
@user-mt4xe6zg1eАй бұрын
This man is further exploring the heavens as he is now with the Father. He taught and shared the Bible with so many! Wonder what his assignment will be ? Will be interesting to find out! God Bless
@BarryMaskellАй бұрын
If the educated Jews missed Jesus coming on the donkey - how much more should we get closer to Jesus so we don’t miss the truth and get deceived - the owner who went away and gave his employees charge is very sobering - so many comments I read especially from the US always focus on getting out of here rather than Jesus wanting to reclaim the earth
@Buddy_WayneАй бұрын
Why do we call him Greek Jesus (Iesous) when his name is Yeshua ישוע -Yahweh is salvation? Why is “believe only” not the same as holding faithful to the commandments of Yahweh? Why is the corporate “church” not the assembly or congregation of believers? Why is there a belief that Yahweh would pour out his wrath on Yahweh in the flesh his set apart son Yeshua but not on the “once saved always saved rapture church” Why is Lucifer the morning star in the old covenant, and “Jesus” in the new covenant found in Greek transliterated manuscripts? Quotes from the Book of Job The Hebrew version of James contains three direct quotes from the Book of Job in instances where the Greek version does not quote from the Old Testament at all?
@LastFellowshipАй бұрын
These questions and more answered if only you would read a few books including the bible. Stop watching or listening to propaganda videos from you tube. By the way there is no Hebrew version of James. Lucifer is Latin not Hebrew, elohim council members were all stars (read 2nd temple Jewish literature. The new testament was written in koine Greek so Jesus is the English translation of the new testament and the old testament was written in Hebrew with some parts in Aramaic so Yeshua is translated into Joshua. Seriously READ a Darn Book! All these things are so darn easy to debunk.
@peterandjoycevanbreemen600Ай бұрын
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@linkhudson9025Ай бұрын
he seems to be creating problems where none really exists for example seeing some sort of Need for 1st Corinthians 15's reference to death having to coincide with the destruction of death towards the end of the book of Revelation. if we raise from the dead death has no sting to us. The passage deals with the resolution of the issue of death for they that are Christ's. Also where would first century believers get this vague idea that the air means heaven or some sort of spiritual realm? It seems like he's reading in later concepts of popular theology from different eras back into the New Testament for his hypothetical interpretation.
@LastFellowshipАй бұрын
You need to read into the context of 2nd temple Jewish literature.
@robertbruce1552Ай бұрын
I see through a glass darkly.
@samuelodey9823Ай бұрын
Haaa! I am grateful for this piece. Abba, thank you for men like Michael Heiser who present the truth unequivocally.
@vanthawng154Ай бұрын
love dr mike he is a wonderful bible teacher
@winniecash1654Ай бұрын
If we believers are the temple, (and I believe we are) then what is the Abomination that makes desolate?
@LastFellowshipАй бұрын
G K Beale might be able to answer that question. Look up his talk on 2 Thessalonians.
@winniecash1654Ай бұрын
I think God remembers the covenant with His people for His sake. Doesn't King Jesus rule the Kingdom from King David's throne?
@monwellchassion923Ай бұрын
This is the perfect position to take. Why? Because it’s not important. You don’t become “more ready” because you think Jesus is coming soon. Jesus was coming soon in the early church as well. Stop labeling yourself.
@markanthony3275Ай бұрын
Ambiguities in Mathew ch 24??? . The whole chapter is about what will happen to ISRAEL, not the church. Look at the context. Jesus is taking questions from His jewish disciples about JEWISH things, namely what will happen to Israel. Notice all the "jewish only" references Jesus uses to answer their question "What will be the sign of the end and of your coming" ....the references are, "the abomination of desolation"..."the temple"..."the sabbath"..."the rooftops"..."the Judean countryside" ..." the elect"...and perhaps even the fig tree. Regarding "the elect" , Jesus also said "Unless those days had been shortened even the elect wouldn't survive". Who are this "elect " that Jesus was talking about? We find the answer in Zechariah 13:8-9 which says... " In the whole land" declares the Lord, "two thirds will be struck down and perish ; yet one third will be left in it. This third I will bring into the fire ; I will refine them like silver and test them like gold." This renders Mathew ch 24 useless for supporting a post - trib rapture, but does support a pre-trib rapture.
@paulpaul8953Ай бұрын
Is continued faith, or 'believing loyalty' not performance?
@kristenspencer975111 күн бұрын
It's not in regards to Salvation. But for eternal reward. AFTER someone is saved (by grace, Christ's work on the cross alone--not your own merit/"performance") the believer is given the Holy Spirit to assist them in becoming more Christ-like. The Bible says "work out your salvation with fear and trembling." (Phil 2:12) In that particular verse, the word "salvation" refers to the types of behaviors and works that demonstrate that you really ARE saved. The Bible says we become a "new" creation (2 Cor 5:17) The result of being saved is a desire to obey God, do what pleases Him, gradually display in your life the fruits of the Spirit--patience, kindness, gentleness, love etc.(Galatians 5:22). Every trial, difficulty and sacrifice the believer encounters in this life is rewarded by Christ in the next life. This is NOT works to earn salvation, but rather works of the SPIRIT indwelling the believer who chooses to surrender to the Holy Spirit and allow Him to guide and direct their life and choices.
@paulpaul895311 күн бұрын
@@kristenspencer9751 By referring to "...types of behaviors and works that demonstrate that you really ARE saved" you are preaching a works based salvation. Or, what IS the gospel?
@sleric3Ай бұрын
Leviticus 26:11-12 I will put my dwelling place among you, and I will not abhor you. I will walk among you and be your God, and you will be my people. Revelation 7:4 Then I heard the number of those who were sealed: 144,000 from all the tribes of Israel. Revelation 21:3 And I heard a loud voice from the throne saying, “Look! God’s dwelling place is now among the people, and he will dwell with them. They will be his people, and God himself will be with them and be their God. Promise will be fulfilled (Leviticus 26:3) for the Jews who "follow my (God's) decrees and are careful to obey my commands". Source - NIV
@jamminwithjambo7729Ай бұрын
How to hacķ the Word in peices to make the trinìty doctrine a Jewish belief and 1st century believers 3 in 1 god followers. God is the Father to whom Jesus prayed and by Whom Jesus was raised from the dead. Hear ÿe oh Israel, the LORD GOD IS ONE, (Not 3 in 1).
@ozdoublelifeАй бұрын
Not arguing, would love to see your 3 hr or multi session video to disprove this hacking of scripture. Grace and Peace.
@soldierofchrist125015 күн бұрын
Heretics really pretend that the only bible verse that exists in deut.6:4 😂😂😂
@intentionally-blank12 күн бұрын
What I often see in cults, sects and isms that teach as it seems you believe is lack of respect and distortion of Yeshua=Jesus and other doctrine.
@ahope4u29 күн бұрын
You are obviously not well studied in scripture and Jewish history. The triune nature of the Godhead is well documented and factual.
@intentionally-blank9 күн бұрын
@@ahope4u2 You are obviously presumptuous. I have no disagreement with Father, Son and Spirit being one. My comment was in reply to @jamminwithjambo7729 that doesn't seem to agree and further believes that research and instruction are 'hacks' to teach something not in the Word and other documents. Hope that helps.
@okredearth68Ай бұрын
ENOCH and ELIJAH GOT RAPTURED!!! JOHN AND THE CHURCH GOT RAPTURED IN REVELATION 4:1,2,3.....& IN 1 thessalonians 1:10 ...EVEN JESUS,WHICH DELIVERED US FROM THE WRATH TO COME!!!!!!
@LastFellowshipАй бұрын
This is a Chuck Missler teaching. It's reading an interpretation into the text. Chuck was not a biblical scholar he had no formal education in biblical studies or any biblical languages. I know Chuck, I lived with him in New Zealand for a few months. I loved Chuck, he is with the Lord. But Chuck taught things that fit his own views and he had a mistrust for actual biblical scholarship for personal reasons.
@the_jeremiah_16_19_project8 күн бұрын
Revelation 4 is NOT a rapture. It is a vision of what is coming hereafter. It literally says that. There is no mention of anyone except John. 1 Thessalonians 1:10 - Tribulation is what the beast does to the earth. Wrath is what YHVH does to the beast, So, yes. We are delivered from the wrath. But, that has nothing to do with the great tribulation. 1 Thessalonians 5:9 - The opposite of wrath is salvation. The beast does not have the authority to make that decision. Jesus said the days of the tribulation are shortened for the elect's sake. If the elect are gone, shortening the days would be of no consequence to them. Jesus gave instructions to His disciples for life during the tribulation. If they weren't going to be here, there would be no reason to do that. He said immediately AFTER the tribulation, the elect would be gathered. Throughout the NT, the church is called the elect. Matthew 24:22-31, Mark 13:27, Luke 18:7, Romans 8:33, Romans 11:5, Colossians 3:12, 1 Thessalonians 1:4, 2 Timothy 2:10, Titus 1:1, 1 Peter 1:2, 1 Peter 5:13, 2 Peter 1:10, 2 John 1:1, 2 John 1:13 The parable of the wheat and tares teaches that both grow together until the Harvest. The Harvest is the end.
@christan6943Ай бұрын
When I got saved I never heard of a rapture. I was completely shocked when I heard of the idea and NEVER came to that assumption with my personal studying
@LyleCooperАй бұрын
He is saying that he thinks it impossible that someone can read a passage of scripture with no preconceptions. I disagree. I think it is possible to read a passage and allow what you read to form a concept. As an example, someone reads 1 Thes. 4 and 5, with no idea whether the rapture comes before wrath, or wrath before the rapture. They read of the catching up in 4:17, then read of the Day of the Lord (also called the Day of His wrath in Revelation) three verses later in Chapter 5. The reader can then believe that Paul's order would be the catching up first, then God's wrath beginning after the catching up. They did not assume any position beforehand: they allowed the TEXT to show them God's intent in the passage.
@pastorrick72728 күн бұрын
Your answer proves his point. Your example presupposes a rapture.
@LyleCooper28 күн бұрын
@@pastorrick727 Rick, no one has to presuppose a rapture. Paul wrote it and it became a part of the written Word of God. What many people disagree on is the question of when. Again, I don't think people have to pre-suppose the timing either. Paul wrote of the rapture (4:17) and three verses later mentions the Day of the Lord - just as if the two: rapture and Day of the Lord, are in some way connected. I believe they are connected: sometime during the rapture event, Jesus is going to open the 6th seal to begin the Day of the Lord. I think this is confirmed in Revelation when John saw the just-raptured church in heaven as that great crowd, too large to number, right after the 6th seal.
@pastorrick72728 күн бұрын
@@LyleCooper Again, a presupposition. Paul didn’t write about a rapture. As a matter of fact the rapture is a modern construct. It didn’t exist for 18 centuries in Christianity. You negotiated with the text, using a presupposition, and came to an erroneous conclusion.
@LyleCooper28 күн бұрын
@@pastorrick727 Of course Paul wrote about a rapture or a harpazo: to forcibly snatch away. We find The Latin Vulgate translates the Greek ἁρπαγησόμεθα as rapiemur, where we get our English word, rapture. Latin Vulgate 4:17 deinde nos qui vivimus qui relinquimur simul rapiemur cum illis in nubibus obviam Domino in aera et sic semper cum Domino erimus King James Version 4:17 Then we which are alive [and] remain shall be together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. I believe you know this is found in your bible too. Perhaps then, what you are denying is what happens AFTER we are caught up together to meet the Lord in the air. Is that where we disconnect? We have at least three choices from there, since Paul did not specify. We can all stay indefinitely in the air about some part of the earth. We can descend back down to earth. We can be taken to heaven. Do you agree with one of these three? If not, then what do you choose after we are caught up? " It didn’t exist for 18 centuries" I was not there for any one of those centuries, so I cannot say one way or another. A better question would be, what did Paul's students believe? I believe Ephraem or Pseudo Ehpraem may debunk your 18 century theory. Here is a quote: ""For all the saints and Elect of God are gathered, prior to the tribulation that is to come, and are taken to the Lord lest they see the confusion that is to overwhelm the world because of our sins."" Question: Where is the church in Rev. 19?
@LyleCooper27 күн бұрын
@@pastorrick727 Maybe we need to begin with "Good Morning." Please define "rapture" so we can begin on a level field. I think most of the Christian world that believe in a rapture use that word to include the catching up of both the dead in Christ and those who are alive and remain in Christ who will be changed as they are caught up. Once both groups are in the air, then together the Bride will be caught up to meet Jesus in the air. I accept this definition also. Paul never said where Jesus would take us from that point in the clouds where He was waiting.
@frankmonagas6217Ай бұрын
What is the purpose of the tribulation? Who is it meant for?
@LastFellowshipАй бұрын
Wrong question. What is a tribulation and if someone goes through one what is the effect? That question is a better one.
@Diegocurt73Ай бұрын
None of us really know. Obviously, based on the coming outpouring of Gods wrath in the tribulation period, I hope and pray the pre tribulation prediction is correct. However, it is most important that we surrender to our Lord and follow Him daily by staying in His Word. This is so we are strong in the Lord no matter what happens or when the rapture occurs.
@MassimoBoscoMusicАй бұрын
Rapture already happened around the time of apostle Peter death.
@user-bw1kz8eg3lАй бұрын
What a delusion!
@paulmerritt2484Ай бұрын
No one thinks non literal means not real. The Bible is mostly literal and is clear when it is not being literal. His spiritual view is his worldview and it is highly secular. He is out of touch with what others think because he does all the talking. I never heard him even pray to the Lord. Intellectualism is a trap that leads to confusion.
@hexahexametermeter5 күн бұрын
Absolutely not.
@paulmerritt2484Ай бұрын
The kingdom exists now. It is the realms of God and of heaven. We can see into it and live in it and know joy unspeakable every day all day. When we are born again we enter into the Kingdome in part. If the kingdom is not real how can God be real? I can not believe this is a question he is asking people to consider. God told us he is sending Jesus to earth to bring the new heaven with him to transform the earth into new heaven. This is called the rapture or the part we get caught up in the clouds. We are the temple the body of Christ! When Jesus brings heaven to earth for 1000 years to rule in peace the rules about needing a temple will not be needed as Jesus will be here in the flesh and glorified body. We will be with the Lord in heaven already. We are in the book of life if we are caught up in the cloud of God. Great minds are no match for the Holy Spirit discernment.
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I do not trust his teachings because I never once heard him sharing the gospel to get anyone saved and I never hear him talk about getting anointed in the Holy Spirit. The heart must come first before we can have Gods knowledge of his will for us. I have nothing against him but where is the teaching anointing? Where is the worship? Worshiping intellect and how smart we are to figure out words on their own is all mans doing. The Holy Spirit has to give us the truth or we do not know it or know that we know anything. We need the Holy Spirit to confirm all we believe. The anointing is so powerful people we speak to while anointed end up affected and want to come to Jesus! Even strangers will see Christs love and become believers right away! Did this man lay hands an heal? Did he cast out demons on others? If not he did not believe what Jesus told us to do was meant for us to do. I did not know either till Jesus told me himself and showed me what to do. He set me free. I live in constant joy unspeakable full of glory. I wake up laughing with joy! I sing to God all day long and I read the bible for many hours. I wake up early to read a good portion of the bible each day. I have read it through in a single sitting. I could never do that before I got baptized in the fire. The more we intellectualize the less we are sure of. These teaching seem to be confusing people and have man arguing that Heizer was too smart to be wrong about anything. People want someone to think for them.
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If you read any of his books, you'll hear the gospel.
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God Rest This Good Man . . . my favorite theologian
So good, Tim has such a great way of teaching.
All the teaching that Jesus and his apostles taught, not one mention of a trinity or a 3 in one God. Jesus is God Son all throughout the bible, but somehow, people want him to be his father so bad. He made known the father. He showed you what the father is like. He gave you the words and teaching of his father. He came in his father's name. He gave us the promise of his father (spirit) it was even his father that raised him from the dead. Jesus even tells us that if you believe in me, you believe in the one who sent me. The bible tells us the father gave his son all authority. The father gave his son Jesus to be the head of the church. I think if we just follow the pattern, we can see the truth. John 8:32
@@robertbradford9995 yeah this is not true. Go back to the bible and read it all again.
@@LastFellowship show me where it is not true
Why are we discussing something that is not in the bible
@@robertbradford9995 it's all over the bible, you must be reading a different bible or have been taught to read it and interpret it poorly.
@@LastFellowship show me in scriptures a trinity I'll wait
@@LastFellowship explain john 3:16 to me then? What does this verse mean?
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The sign on the cross should read "Jesus, the King of Israel" since the word "Jew" did not exist until ~ the 14th century when books began to be printed. Yet it is used as far back as the book of Esther, re: Mordecai. Esther 2:5. Now in Shushan the palace there was a certain Jew, whose name was Mordecai, the son of Jair, the son of Shimei, the son of Kish, a Benjamite; Esther 2:5. Now in Shushan the palace there was a certain Judean whose name was Mordecai, the son of Jair, the son of Shimei, the son of Kish, a Benjamite;
70th week was 2000 years ago
You forgot predatist, it has already happened, some standing here will see my return, those who pierced him will see, some standing here will not pass away
TRIBULATION - Lili When Jesus opens his holy Court as Tribulation begins How will he judge Australian Natives from sixty thousand years ago, How will he judge Neanderthals who knew nothing of his sins, And what of cold country races who survived in ice and snow? They lived long before he created the world and all the stars They’ve broken every commandment of which they didn’t know. - To Jesus it’s all black and white, they either live in bliss or burn No shades of gray in his decisions, they really should have known The story of the Lord of love who is sending them to Hell For the sin of ignorance to suffer torture all alone How does this sit with God’s conscience, or does he just not care? Burning his creations he made with love, for sins they hadn’t known. - And what of others who live blameless lives but know not of his rules They’ll join the fiends and murderers down in that fearful pit God’s justice doesn’t discriminate, into the fiery pool When Christians see their loved ones destined for the fire Do they question the sanity of this Judge with no empathy at all, Or do they grovel at his feet, they’re saved, escaped his ire. - This God should be the one on trial for breaking his own rules Displaying hate for his own children, committing murder and mayhem And making life so miserable for those within his flock With a myriad of petty laws imposed that he calls “sin” Demanding love, obedience, as hard as granite rock Sentence God to Hell, forgotten , lost, and then our lives begin.
TOMORROW’S FEARS - Lili Tomorrow when you wake again and find the world’s still here With all the zest of yesterday to sadden or to cheer There was no massive holocaust, no dead raised from the ground His promise to float you up, journey to your trials Will have to wait another day, trepidation all unfound. And when this happens every day throughout the years to come Will your faith grow stronger or will the doubts creep in? No planning for the future here or there, your life embroiled in sin For if he only takes the perfect, whose life on Earth was pure What of the human aspect, into the fire succumb. The holy ones judge each other, before the judgment day From the pulpit condemn, decry, their fellow travelers as impure The Judges of the Judges before the Earth implodes And everyone made to account, the strongest voice not sure A life of prayer gone all to waste, as confidence corrodes. Why worry of a future bleak, why think of future fears For if you try to change your fate, the world goes on unheeded There’ll be no Tribulation, Man’s destruction his own doing No God above, no day in Court, no casting out, all regrets unneeded Why worry of the rantings of those who think they know Of Spirits of the Underworld, pain and bliss, imaginations flow. Just take what comes, tell your God of hate Your life is not for him, your only life is yours So be it if you shun control, he won’t control your fate Your life on Earth is not to live with fear and shame and guilt The guilt is his, he made the snake, he cannot now berate Berate us for being human, Why then the potters hand did shake?
Post-tribbers and pre-tribbers are partially right. 1 Thes 4:13-17 is the second coming with the only material resurrection for the saints which is on the last day, last trumpet (John 6:39-54, 11:24, Rev 20:4-6, 1 Cor 15:52). Luke 17:22-37 is the pre-trib rapture without a material resurrection. There is a flash of light and dead bodies (verse 37) when life seems normal (eating, drinking, etc.). We leave our flesh on earth.
Michael Heiser did not achieve anything with his 'open' view on the eschatology. Remember, God is not the author of confusion. The reason why he can't get the definite answer is because he is using ESV as his main Bible. If you rightly divide the God's words in the KJV, you can't be confused.
@@arqist I love when crazy people get out of the asylum.
@@LastFellowship sigh…
@@arqist yeah, *sigh* is right KJ only people are like a cult.
@@LastFellowship There is a reason why there are ‘KJV-onlyists’ but not ‘ESV-onlyists’ or proponents of other modern translations. I encourage you to explore all perspectives and decide for yourself, as I did. Some KJV-onlyists may have weak support for their views because they haven’t studied enough and simply follow their favorite preacher’s beliefs. However, in my case, I tried to debunk KJV-onlyism but ended up becoming a KJV-onlyist myself. I found that it is the only translation that remains without contradictions and exhibits undeniable signs of divine inspiration, such as numerical patterns unique to the KJV, established long before the invention of personal computers. For more information, you can watch Brandon Peterson’s video on this topic. You can say all kinds of harsh things to me, but I will speak the truth. You will always be confused and will never get sound doctrine if you use other modern translations and not the KJV.
The Great Tribulation at the end of the age is a great deception. It has always been great tribulation against the church throughout the ages. Those whom the Catholic Church burnt at the stake could testify to that. The first resurrection happened when Jesus rose from the dead and many of these went into the cities and showed themselves alive. These were the first fruits unto God mentioned as 144,000 out of every tribe of Israel. There was a resurrection at the end of the Old Covenant and there will be a resurrection at the end of the New Testament age, John saw these in Revelation 7. There will be a rapture in 1st Thessalonians the 4th chapter however, the 5th chapter continues the narrative and promises destruction at his coming. Luke in the 16th or 17th chapters also tells us that the coming of the Lord will be in some ways somewhat like it was during the flood of Noah. They were all going about their business and they were suddenly destroyed. Peter in the 3rd chapter of 2 Perer says that the lord is longsuffering because he is not willing that any should perish for lack of repentance, think about that. The conclusion is that this unrepented world is about to perish. There are those that are preaching peace and safety for the world when Jesus comes, but they will suffer sudden destruction when Jesus comes to take His people out.
Thanks for uploading this. Mike does talk about his twice invitation by this host. Speaks highly of Mike’s respect for other view points. We all should continue to support ($) Drena.
It's unfortunate he doesn't include St Augustines 6 possible interpretation
❤ fantastic class by the late Dr Michael Heiser. He is sorely missed!
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I believe the rapture is coming soon but most Christians will be left behind because of bigotry on the Religious right, and idolatry on the left. The Image of the Beast is right in front of you. Rev 13:11-16 is America. 2Thess2:11 is here. They believe THE LIE. 1946themovie proves the Bible is not anti-gay. Matthew 7 is trampled by the church of the right. Compare Exodus 13:16, Rev 13:16 & Matt 5:29. The Mark of the Beast is SIN. You must be born again. John 3:3. The Mark of God is the Holy Spirit. It's a spiritual Mark, it's a real image. Rapture 1st. Then America burns (Rev18:4, 1st rapture). The head of the Beast is resurrected. Babylon the Whore is the Beast. After she burns, then Zechariah 14. Rev 19 & Zech 14 is the same day. Turn off the world and turn on Jesus.
Too complicated and confusing.Try and take what Jesus taught Paul at His word in 1Thessalonians 4 and 5 referring also to verses 9,10,11.Therefore encourage one another. Believe Jesus and pray to God everyday.
2Thess2:11 is here. Trump is lawless, the church is fallen. Luke 21:24, Times up! See Daniel 7:25, Dan. 12:7 & Rev 12:14. The "Little Horn" is FALSE ABRAHAMIC RELIGIONS! 1. Time=Catholicism. Pompous Eyes of the Pope 2. Times=Islam. Eyes of the Ayatollah. 3. Half a Time =Conservativism (America, specifically today). Pompous Eyes of the LAWLESS ONE (Daniel 11:36-45 & 2Thess2). It's ALL FULFILLED. Rev 13:11-16 & Rev 18 are America. Two horns "like a lamb" (Jesus is the Lamb) are right-wing Christians and Catholics destroying the world for the anti-gay & anti-women lies. 1946themovie proves the Bible is not anti-gay. It’s clearly anti-hate. Leviticus 19:18 is the one Jesus quoted. The Image of the Beast is right in front of you. It's all the world fills their minds with and gives their time. TV, movies, Facebook, KZread, Instagram, Tik-tok, X, etc. Compare Exodus 13:16, Rev 13:16 & Matt 5:29. The Mark of the Beast is SIN. The Mark of God is the Holy Spirit. You must be BORN AGAIN (John 3:3) It's Jesus or the Beast you serve. The world is the Beast. Turn off the world and turn on Jesus.
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Well thinking about it, if you were not all in in belief then tribulations occurs including taking the true believers wouldn’t some that were wushu wouldn’t they commit all the way even after the tribulation and therefore have to endure until their death. Just thinking😊
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Two points: Firstly, the entire church can be taken prior to experiencing wrath, yet every person saved during that wrath is added to the church (Revelation 12:11 & Revelation 20:4). Secondly, WHEN can be determined by realizing the rapture is connected to a resurrection (1 Thessalonians 4:15-16). Isaiah 26:19-21 teaches of a resurrection of singing (ie - joy & worship) that takes place *_before_* the indignation of the LORD is poured out on the inhabitants of the earth!!! Before the indignation is pour out. That resurrection is followed by an invitation to his people to “come” and shelter themselves in their chambers until the indignation is past. This resurrection is the key to determining when the rapture occurs.
I believe the Rapture is Post Trib, Pre Wrath. 3.5 years Tribulation of the Saints(Christians). The Falling away and Antichrist is Revealed before the Rapture, right before the 3.5 years of Tribulation Period. 2 Thessalonians 2 King James Version 1 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him, 2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand. 3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; 4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God. Immediately After the Tribulation of those days the Rapture takes place. Matthew 24:29-30 King James Version 29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: 30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
This man is further exploring the heavens as he is now with the Father. He taught and shared the Bible with so many! Wonder what his assignment will be ? Will be interesting to find out! God Bless
If the educated Jews missed Jesus coming on the donkey - how much more should we get closer to Jesus so we don’t miss the truth and get deceived - the owner who went away and gave his employees charge is very sobering - so many comments I read especially from the US always focus on getting out of here rather than Jesus wanting to reclaim the earth
Why do we call him Greek Jesus (Iesous) when his name is Yeshua ישוע -Yahweh is salvation? Why is “believe only” not the same as holding faithful to the commandments of Yahweh? Why is the corporate “church” not the assembly or congregation of believers? Why is there a belief that Yahweh would pour out his wrath on Yahweh in the flesh his set apart son Yeshua but not on the “once saved always saved rapture church” Why is Lucifer the morning star in the old covenant, and “Jesus” in the new covenant found in Greek transliterated manuscripts? Quotes from the Book of Job The Hebrew version of James contains three direct quotes from the Book of Job in instances where the Greek version does not quote from the Old Testament at all?
These questions and more answered if only you would read a few books including the bible. Stop watching or listening to propaganda videos from you tube. By the way there is no Hebrew version of James. Lucifer is Latin not Hebrew, elohim council members were all stars (read 2nd temple Jewish literature. The new testament was written in koine Greek so Jesus is the English translation of the new testament and the old testament was written in Hebrew with some parts in Aramaic so Yeshua is translated into Joshua. Seriously READ a Darn Book! All these things are so darn easy to debunk.
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he seems to be creating problems where none really exists for example seeing some sort of Need for 1st Corinthians 15's reference to death having to coincide with the destruction of death towards the end of the book of Revelation. if we raise from the dead death has no sting to us. The passage deals with the resolution of the issue of death for they that are Christ's. Also where would first century believers get this vague idea that the air means heaven or some sort of spiritual realm? It seems like he's reading in later concepts of popular theology from different eras back into the New Testament for his hypothetical interpretation.
You need to read into the context of 2nd temple Jewish literature.
I see through a glass darkly.
Haaa! I am grateful for this piece. Abba, thank you for men like Michael Heiser who present the truth unequivocally.
love dr mike he is a wonderful bible teacher
If we believers are the temple, (and I believe we are) then what is the Abomination that makes desolate?
G K Beale might be able to answer that question. Look up his talk on 2 Thessalonians.
I think God remembers the covenant with His people for His sake. Doesn't King Jesus rule the Kingdom from King David's throne?
This is the perfect position to take. Why? Because it’s not important. You don’t become “more ready” because you think Jesus is coming soon. Jesus was coming soon in the early church as well. Stop labeling yourself.
Ambiguities in Mathew ch 24??? . The whole chapter is about what will happen to ISRAEL, not the church. Look at the context. Jesus is taking questions from His jewish disciples about JEWISH things, namely what will happen to Israel. Notice all the "jewish only" references Jesus uses to answer their question "What will be the sign of the end and of your coming" ....the references are, "the abomination of desolation"..."the temple"..."the sabbath"..."the rooftops"..."the Judean countryside" ..." the elect"...and perhaps even the fig tree. Regarding "the elect" , Jesus also said "Unless those days had been shortened even the elect wouldn't survive". Who are this "elect " that Jesus was talking about? We find the answer in Zechariah 13:8-9 which says... " In the whole land" declares the Lord, "two thirds will be struck down and perish ; yet one third will be left in it. This third I will bring into the fire ; I will refine them like silver and test them like gold." This renders Mathew ch 24 useless for supporting a post - trib rapture, but does support a pre-trib rapture.
Is continued faith, or 'believing loyalty' not performance?
It's not in regards to Salvation. But for eternal reward. AFTER someone is saved (by grace, Christ's work on the cross alone--not your own merit/"performance") the believer is given the Holy Spirit to assist them in becoming more Christ-like. The Bible says "work out your salvation with fear and trembling." (Phil 2:12) In that particular verse, the word "salvation" refers to the types of behaviors and works that demonstrate that you really ARE saved. The Bible says we become a "new" creation (2 Cor 5:17) The result of being saved is a desire to obey God, do what pleases Him, gradually display in your life the fruits of the Spirit--patience, kindness, gentleness, love etc.(Galatians 5:22). Every trial, difficulty and sacrifice the believer encounters in this life is rewarded by Christ in the next life. This is NOT works to earn salvation, but rather works of the SPIRIT indwelling the believer who chooses to surrender to the Holy Spirit and allow Him to guide and direct their life and choices.
@@kristenspencer9751 By referring to "...types of behaviors and works that demonstrate that you really ARE saved" you are preaching a works based salvation. Or, what IS the gospel?
Leviticus 26:11-12 I will put my dwelling place among you, and I will not abhor you. I will walk among you and be your God, and you will be my people. Revelation 7:4 Then I heard the number of those who were sealed: 144,000 from all the tribes of Israel. Revelation 21:3 And I heard a loud voice from the throne saying, “Look! God’s dwelling place is now among the people, and he will dwell with them. They will be his people, and God himself will be with them and be their God. Promise will be fulfilled (Leviticus 26:3) for the Jews who "follow my (God's) decrees and are careful to obey my commands". Source - NIV
How to hacķ the Word in peices to make the trinìty doctrine a Jewish belief and 1st century believers 3 in 1 god followers. God is the Father to whom Jesus prayed and by Whom Jesus was raised from the dead. Hear ÿe oh Israel, the LORD GOD IS ONE, (Not 3 in 1).
Not arguing, would love to see your 3 hr or multi session video to disprove this hacking of scripture. Grace and Peace.
Heretics really pretend that the only bible verse that exists in deut.6:4 😂😂😂
What I often see in cults, sects and isms that teach as it seems you believe is lack of respect and distortion of Yeshua=Jesus and other doctrine.
You are obviously not well studied in scripture and Jewish history. The triune nature of the Godhead is well documented and factual.
@@ahope4u2 You are obviously presumptuous. I have no disagreement with Father, Son and Spirit being one. My comment was in reply to @jamminwithjambo7729 that doesn't seem to agree and further believes that research and instruction are 'hacks' to teach something not in the Word and other documents. Hope that helps.
ENOCH and ELIJAH GOT RAPTURED!!! JOHN AND THE CHURCH GOT RAPTURED IN REVELATION 4:1,2,3.....& IN 1 thessalonians 1:10 ...EVEN JESUS,WHICH DELIVERED US FROM THE WRATH TO COME!!!!!!
This is a Chuck Missler teaching. It's reading an interpretation into the text. Chuck was not a biblical scholar he had no formal education in biblical studies or any biblical languages. I know Chuck, I lived with him in New Zealand for a few months. I loved Chuck, he is with the Lord. But Chuck taught things that fit his own views and he had a mistrust for actual biblical scholarship for personal reasons.
Revelation 4 is NOT a rapture. It is a vision of what is coming hereafter. It literally says that. There is no mention of anyone except John. 1 Thessalonians 1:10 - Tribulation is what the beast does to the earth. Wrath is what YHVH does to the beast, So, yes. We are delivered from the wrath. But, that has nothing to do with the great tribulation. 1 Thessalonians 5:9 - The opposite of wrath is salvation. The beast does not have the authority to make that decision. Jesus said the days of the tribulation are shortened for the elect's sake. If the elect are gone, shortening the days would be of no consequence to them. Jesus gave instructions to His disciples for life during the tribulation. If they weren't going to be here, there would be no reason to do that. He said immediately AFTER the tribulation, the elect would be gathered. Throughout the NT, the church is called the elect. Matthew 24:22-31, Mark 13:27, Luke 18:7, Romans 8:33, Romans 11:5, Colossians 3:12, 1 Thessalonians 1:4, 2 Timothy 2:10, Titus 1:1, 1 Peter 1:2, 1 Peter 5:13, 2 Peter 1:10, 2 John 1:1, 2 John 1:13 The parable of the wheat and tares teaches that both grow together until the Harvest. The Harvest is the end.
When I got saved I never heard of a rapture. I was completely shocked when I heard of the idea and NEVER came to that assumption with my personal studying
He is saying that he thinks it impossible that someone can read a passage of scripture with no preconceptions. I disagree. I think it is possible to read a passage and allow what you read to form a concept. As an example, someone reads 1 Thes. 4 and 5, with no idea whether the rapture comes before wrath, or wrath before the rapture. They read of the catching up in 4:17, then read of the Day of the Lord (also called the Day of His wrath in Revelation) three verses later in Chapter 5. The reader can then believe that Paul's order would be the catching up first, then God's wrath beginning after the catching up. They did not assume any position beforehand: they allowed the TEXT to show them God's intent in the passage.
Your answer proves his point. Your example presupposes a rapture.
@@pastorrick727 Rick, no one has to presuppose a rapture. Paul wrote it and it became a part of the written Word of God. What many people disagree on is the question of when. Again, I don't think people have to pre-suppose the timing either. Paul wrote of the rapture (4:17) and three verses later mentions the Day of the Lord - just as if the two: rapture and Day of the Lord, are in some way connected. I believe they are connected: sometime during the rapture event, Jesus is going to open the 6th seal to begin the Day of the Lord. I think this is confirmed in Revelation when John saw the just-raptured church in heaven as that great crowd, too large to number, right after the 6th seal.
@@LyleCooper Again, a presupposition. Paul didn’t write about a rapture. As a matter of fact the rapture is a modern construct. It didn’t exist for 18 centuries in Christianity. You negotiated with the text, using a presupposition, and came to an erroneous conclusion.
@@pastorrick727 Of course Paul wrote about a rapture or a harpazo: to forcibly snatch away. We find The Latin Vulgate translates the Greek ἁρπαγησόμεθα as rapiemur, where we get our English word, rapture. Latin Vulgate 4:17 deinde nos qui vivimus qui relinquimur simul rapiemur cum illis in nubibus obviam Domino in aera et sic semper cum Domino erimus King James Version 4:17 Then we which are alive [and] remain shall be together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. I believe you know this is found in your bible too. Perhaps then, what you are denying is what happens AFTER we are caught up together to meet the Lord in the air. Is that where we disconnect? We have at least three choices from there, since Paul did not specify. We can all stay indefinitely in the air about some part of the earth. We can descend back down to earth. We can be taken to heaven. Do you agree with one of these three? If not, then what do you choose after we are caught up? " It didn’t exist for 18 centuries" I was not there for any one of those centuries, so I cannot say one way or another. A better question would be, what did Paul's students believe? I believe Ephraem or Pseudo Ehpraem may debunk your 18 century theory. Here is a quote: ""For all the saints and Elect of God are gathered, prior to the tribulation that is to come, and are taken to the Lord lest they see the confusion that is to overwhelm the world because of our sins."" Question: Where is the church in Rev. 19?
@@pastorrick727 Maybe we need to begin with "Good Morning." Please define "rapture" so we can begin on a level field. I think most of the Christian world that believe in a rapture use that word to include the catching up of both the dead in Christ and those who are alive and remain in Christ who will be changed as they are caught up. Once both groups are in the air, then together the Bride will be caught up to meet Jesus in the air. I accept this definition also. Paul never said where Jesus would take us from that point in the clouds where He was waiting.
What is the purpose of the tribulation? Who is it meant for?
Wrong question. What is a tribulation and if someone goes through one what is the effect? That question is a better one.
None of us really know. Obviously, based on the coming outpouring of Gods wrath in the tribulation period, I hope and pray the pre tribulation prediction is correct. However, it is most important that we surrender to our Lord and follow Him daily by staying in His Word. This is so we are strong in the Lord no matter what happens or when the rapture occurs.
Rapture already happened around the time of apostle Peter death.
What a delusion!
No one thinks non literal means not real. The Bible is mostly literal and is clear when it is not being literal. His spiritual view is his worldview and it is highly secular. He is out of touch with what others think because he does all the talking. I never heard him even pray to the Lord. Intellectualism is a trap that leads to confusion.
Absolutely not.
The kingdom exists now. It is the realms of God and of heaven. We can see into it and live in it and know joy unspeakable every day all day. When we are born again we enter into the Kingdome in part. If the kingdom is not real how can God be real? I can not believe this is a question he is asking people to consider. God told us he is sending Jesus to earth to bring the new heaven with him to transform the earth into new heaven. This is called the rapture or the part we get caught up in the clouds. We are the temple the body of Christ! When Jesus brings heaven to earth for 1000 years to rule in peace the rules about needing a temple will not be needed as Jesus will be here in the flesh and glorified body. We will be with the Lord in heaven already. We are in the book of life if we are caught up in the cloud of God. Great minds are no match for the Holy Spirit discernment.
I do not trust his teachings because I never once heard him sharing the gospel to get anyone saved and I never hear him talk about getting anointed in the Holy Spirit. The heart must come first before we can have Gods knowledge of his will for us. I have nothing against him but where is the teaching anointing? Where is the worship? Worshiping intellect and how smart we are to figure out words on their own is all mans doing. The Holy Spirit has to give us the truth or we do not know it or know that we know anything. We need the Holy Spirit to confirm all we believe. The anointing is so powerful people we speak to while anointed end up affected and want to come to Jesus! Even strangers will see Christs love and become believers right away! Did this man lay hands an heal? Did he cast out demons on others? If not he did not believe what Jesus told us to do was meant for us to do. I did not know either till Jesus told me himself and showed me what to do. He set me free. I live in constant joy unspeakable full of glory. I wake up laughing with joy! I sing to God all day long and I read the bible for many hours. I wake up early to read a good portion of the bible each day. I have read it through in a single sitting. I could never do that before I got baptized in the fire. The more we intellectualize the less we are sure of. These teaching seem to be confusing people and have man arguing that Heizer was too smart to be wrong about anything. People want someone to think for them.
If you read any of his books, you'll hear the gospel.