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  @azriel94794 күн бұрын

  Cant believe I just found Pratchett. I am in awe. Deep.

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  @duncanedwards42826 күн бұрын

  Never has the human condition been expressed so perfectly. "To be the place where the falling angel meets the rising ape".

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  @GodelFishbreath6 күн бұрын

  When hogs fly

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  @kormannn124 күн бұрын

  So what it is like to be a human that has aphantasia?

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  @ThatTieDyeGuy22 күн бұрын

  so can you not visualize things?

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  @johnedwards4337Ай бұрын

  As a kid, i never understood this. Not really. Now i see it a bit better in the context of hyperreality. Nothing is true, everything is permited(from assasin's creed, an observation of reality); that is to say that we ultimately build our reality and we have the ability to shape. For justice and morality to exist, you have to believe in it, even if its not convenient

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  @ThatTieDyeGuyАй бұрын

  or everything is true and because of that all things are possible yet only as real as the force of collective belief that backs them up. Plants only grow if you water them. Great comment, Thank you.

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  @gb1706Ай бұрын

  Anyone know when this movie came out?

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  @user-do8ot1mu6cАй бұрын

  taken form the description "I think this is very deep and If you are too small to see that, please keep your hate and ridicule off my channel." don't you love it when people use interesting philosophical questions as a way to give themselves a superiority complex?

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  @benjisolis5574Ай бұрын

  Where can i wach this?!

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  @ThatTieDyeGuyАй бұрын

  pretty sure it is on youtube, called The Hogfather and was originally made by SKY/BBC

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  @neilsims6819Ай бұрын

  Death's claim is nonsense. The fact that norms cannot be explained in terms of atoms simply shows that materialism cannot explain everything, not that norms don't exist. Beliefs and desires also play no explanatory role in a rock rolling downhill, that in no way shows that beliefs and desires do not exist. Nothing about any of this leads to the conclusion that humans need fantasies in order to be human. Truth and justice are not fantasies, and the argument that they are simply because they are not material doesn't work at all.

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  @vinaris6885Ай бұрын

  I suppose people sometimes view norms more as 'concepts, than 'forces. Though I suppose they 'are forces myself, (Still an intellectual nihilist with preferences myself though) People get caught on the ought be, must be though. Though moral forces only occur when persons are in certain states, As gravity only occurs when masses are in certain states. (Though I worry greatly I'm misunderstanding gravity, pretty sure it's more common with big masses like planets though) . . . Why do you consider truth and justice 'not fantasies?

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  @uncannybeagle751225 күн бұрын

  Alright, so basically he's saying that you can take a scientific view. However if we go by that, we'd just see that there isn't any justice and such in the natural world. So, justice is a lie that we have willed into being through our criminal justice systems.

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  @neilsims681925 күн бұрын

  @@vinaris6885 there seems to be an unsupported move from "x is a concept" to "x is a fantasy." But the first claim does not automatically imply the second. Truth is a concept. That concept is necessary for talk of atoms to be meaningful. Humans have physical and psychological traits, discoverable through the same scientific means as we use to discover atoms. Some ways of interacting will be conducive to the well-being of entities with those traits, and some will not. The ways that are, we call "moral." Just behavior is one way of being moral. This all means truth, justice, and other moral concepts have causal outcomes, and only existent phenomena can have causal outcomes.

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  @neilsims681925 күн бұрын

  @@uncannybeagle7512 materialism is not a "scientific view." Science does not give us ontology. Scientists might assume materialism, but this assumption goes well beyond what their evidence shows. More important, the norms that govern ethics are necessary for science. Without attaching some value to truth, for instance, scientific pursuits are not possible. So no, the "scientific view" does not support the idea that there is no justice.

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  @uncannybeagle751225 күн бұрын

  @@neilsims6819 Care to name an example of justice in the natural world?

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  @mrkillz1609Ай бұрын

  You don’t need belief or faith just god eyes that can see

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  @amandavokins5958Ай бұрын

  The most profound and succinct summation of the human condition.T.Pratchett,no fool.A loss too soon.

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  @MrJackdotw2 ай бұрын

  As a child I never fully understood this message. I remember one day re-reading the book and it finally clicking. My mind was truly blown that day, it felt like I’d unlocked a secret of the universe 😅

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  @Ch-thalassa2 ай бұрын

  I used to be afraid of death, and filled loathing about how insignificant and tiny and meaningless everything was. I realized eventually through fantasy and imagination that we are exactly what we are supposed to be and anything that we do is human because we are the ones doing it. There is a reason were at his size on this earth with this star in this galaxy, and it could be as simple as just because someone imagined it.

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  @thomashenry47983 ай бұрын

  Power is an illusion, its a trick, a shadow on the wall, and a very small man can cast a very large shadow. Things like power, mercy, justice, they are things we create internal to ourselves. *We* decide what is mercy, what is justice. So let us choose wisely.

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  @godalmighty59703 ай бұрын

  No. It is bad to alter genious.

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  @michaelshigetani4333 ай бұрын

  ? huh/

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  @godalmighty59703 ай бұрын

  Super-sarcastic scythe - weiver... Seems perfect. But also The Patrician. And also the prottagonnist. But if gradable it gets 1 2 3 score.

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  @michaelshigetani4333 ай бұрын

  What are you attempting to say?

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  @thraxxxsd3 ай бұрын

  in that sense, idealists are the true realists, because they make fantasies a reality

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  @michaelshigetani4333 ай бұрын

  every piece of art, every law; every building; started as a dream; a fantasy.

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  @davidbauer20403 ай бұрын

  This is the world god has placed me in

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  @HenryCasillas4 ай бұрын

  🌻

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  @jonathanj.36954 ай бұрын

  If DEATH was really like this, dying would honesty be a lot less scary.

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  @penzorphallos31995 ай бұрын

  Interesting to see this pigmy boarman be the first to praise the sun

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  @AldoOjeda5 ай бұрын

  One of my favorite quotes, not only from Terry Pratchett or Discworld, but the whole literature.

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  @Midnight.Creepypastas5 ай бұрын

  Once you know it, it is impossible to miss how close Pratchett and Gaiman were.^^

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  @jimstoesz38785 ай бұрын

  Most people who subscribe to the "justice and mercy are fantasies" worldview do so because it gives them an excuse to be unjust and merciless, but Death shows us that they matter *BECAUSE* they're fantasies.

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  @mavirek5 ай бұрын

  Faith we willed abstract principles into existence. Faith in Revelation.

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  @michaelshigetani4333 ай бұрын

  more like faith in action. Sir Terry Pratchett was not a man of prayers or god. He believed rather firmly in action

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  @InternetGravedigger5 ай бұрын

  When will the Hogfather return? When pigs fly... {:-) As for Death's speech at the end? Quite philosophical if you think about it...

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  @johncouzens53215 ай бұрын

  There is no justice... just us.

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  @Knapweed5 ай бұрын

  Skeletor's Uncle seems quite the nihilistic philosopher.

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  @ThatTieDyeGuy5 ай бұрын

  watch the whole movie, it is rather profound

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  @Knapweed5 ай бұрын

  @@ThatTieDyeGuy I've read the books but not watched any movies yet. I'll take your advice and seek one out.

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  @ethenallen13884 ай бұрын

  That's what I thought at first, which was why I tried to find something wrong with what he said. When I came to better understand the story, and his character, I realized that what he said was both very profound and put a great responsibility on us.

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  @Knapweed4 ай бұрын

  @@ethenallen1388 I agree. his writing does have a lot of depth but I prefer the style of writers like Vonnegut, who deals with similar issues with humour and dark satire.

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  @ethenallen13884 ай бұрын

  That's not Skeletor's uncle. That's the Death personified. I think he actually did believe in justice, mercy, and compassion. He just understood that the only reason those things exist is because people make them real.

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  @IloveOtherPplsMsry6 ай бұрын

  "Show me an atom of justice, one molecule of mercy" There's more to the world than just what our five senses perceive.

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  @BeepSmile6 ай бұрын

  We have more that five senses. For one example: 'Proprioception, or kinesthesia, is the sense that lets us perceive the location, movement, and action of parts of the body. It encompasses a complex of sensations, including perception of joint position and movement, muscle force, and effort.'

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  @michaelshigetani4333 ай бұрын

  if you watch the whole movie; or read the whole book (Hogfather by Terry Pratchett) Death is not being nilihestic; and he's very much speaking about the metaphysical..

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  @user-xl8mu6vx8u6 ай бұрын

  What does it really mean by 'The sun would not have risen... A mere ball of flaming gas will illuminate the world'? Isn't it the same thing?

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  @AbAb-th5qe6 ай бұрын

  No not at all. The latter has no meaning. The former is full of it.

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  @aidanrock87195 ай бұрын

  @@AbAb-th5qe the first means "A ball of flaming gas will illuminate the world" and the second means... "A mere ball of flaming gas will illuminate the world", show me the difference without going into some flowery, abstract, pointless diatribe about there being "more to life" or needlessly pedantic over the addition of "mere", the slightest emotive descriptor

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  @AbAb-th5qe5 ай бұрын

  @@aidanrock8719 You poor man

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  @michaelshigetani4333 ай бұрын

  @@aidanrock8719 faith The first; the Sun; has centuries of belief and worship behind it. Check any culture and chances are you'll find some sun worship. Sir Terry Pratchett was using the Hogfather to talk about the pagan roots of a lot of Christian practices. But to refer back to this scene; the Hogfather / the Sun represents Faith. Essentially he's saying that humans need to believe in things in order to make them come true. And that we need that faith in tomorrow; in each other; in order to make a better tomorrow. I could literally write a book about this. Sorry if this was too long.

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  @EddieSezPhukYu6 ай бұрын

  modern day prophet

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  @OanKnight6 ай бұрын

  GNU TERRY PRATCHETT

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  @TRayTV6 ай бұрын

  Justice, mercy, duty... These only exist because we have values and ideals, and we practice them. The mistake every philosopher makes is believing these things are something more than emergent properties of social instincts in biological organisms.

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  @michaelshigetani4333 ай бұрын

  Sir Terry Pratchett literally makes that argument here. That we make those things real. That they don't physically exist outside of us.

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  @blueskybelyr6 ай бұрын

  Basically one of my favourite quotes: "Too much sanity may be madness - and maddest of all: to see life as it is, and not as it should be."

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  @davidw.27912 күн бұрын

  It exists as a counter for the kind of faith that leaves too many things to god or the afterlife. Those who will strive to change life towards As It Should Be are not This Sane, true, but they also have Faith in a different way than a lot of ppl preach.

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  @RebelShardCaster6 ай бұрын

  I qouted this as part of my Art class final. 'Humans need fantasy to be human.' love it.

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  @ethribin41886 ай бұрын

  This is a good example why I believe, fully and truely, that god (or any god/s) are no facts. But they are real because of our faith in them. Proving their existance is pointless. But believing in them has "proven" their existance to yourself. You believing in god make god more real.

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  @AbAb-th5qe6 ай бұрын

  Yes, but beliefs have their own associated costs. Are you getting good value for the effort involved in yours?

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  @ethribin41886 ай бұрын

  In short, the universe doesnt care. I just is. We humans care, and we make our own purpose. And through faith, we make things that don't exust, a real thing. Be that a religion, a painting, an invention or something like justice or love. All in persuite of making things better for us.

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  @michaelshigetani4336 ай бұрын

  it's that same burning need to make art. it's why churches and holy texts are decorated. Our faith, our BELIEF makes these things real. For every invention, every single thing we have ever made or will make; started as a Dream, then an Idea; then we MAKE IT REAL.

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  @axdrago33066 ай бұрын

  45 years old and i am crying right now, my eyes have been opened.

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  @KENBECKERART6 ай бұрын

  If the term was around when Pratchett first wrote this book, at this point DEATH would have “mic dropped” - because his final line was as “Mic Drop” as they come

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  @Vesperitis6 ай бұрын

  Out in the farthest reaches of the universe, scientists have found the same atoms and elements that exist here on Earth. Carbon, oxygen, hydrogen, nitrogen, the building blocks of the complex chemical processes that create this thing that we call life, exists just about literally everywhere else. We are microcosm, a miniscule representation of the universe, of known existence. We are also not special. Grind us down to the finest powder and sieve us through the finest sieve, and it would show that we have the same basic components as all the stars and the nebulae and the spacestuff that litter the rest of cosmos. There is physically, literal _physics_ physically, nothing unique about us. But our ideas Our thoughts Our hopes, our dreams, our stories, our fictions, our senses of right and wrong, duty, mercy, justice, that sort of thing, there are no atoms, no molecules of such things out there in the universe, no matter how hard you look or how hard you sieve. They exist nowhere else in the cosmos except only in our heads. And because of that, those ideas, those thoughts, our ideas, our lives, each lived and experienced differently, are infinitely rare, and infinitely precious. And that's why they must be cherished for however long, or short, that they are in existence.

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  @awkwardllama05096 ай бұрын

  This is probably the best take ive heard on the topic

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  @michaelshigetani4336 ай бұрын

  Strakenzky covers this as well in Babylon 5 (highly recommended to all; esp Discworld natives) where a character states that "Faith and Reason are like your left and right feet. You can get far on just one, but it's much easier with both"

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  @tacticalturtlez49066 ай бұрын

  Not really how that works but okay.

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  @springpopper50276 ай бұрын

  What doesn't work that way?

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  @tacticalturtlez49066 ай бұрын

  @@springpopper5027because things such as justice are conceptual. In the universe there is no “2” but that does not make “2” a lie. In a sense he is equating non-physical things with lies, when that is not necessarily the case. It is also entirely possible to live a life where you do not believe the “little lies” but do believe the “bigger lies”.

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  @springpopper50276 ай бұрын

  @tacticalturtlez4906 Death is not equating the physical laws of reality with lies, that isn't his point. He said so at the begining of the speech what would have happened had the Hogfather died, a great big ball of gas would still rise but it wouldn't be the conceptual "sun" that the Hogfather renews. This ball of gas wouldn't be a lie, but it wouldn't be the Sun either. He's making a statement about the difference between the cold, uncaring universe we inhabit and the arbitrary laws and associations we create within it (Mercy, justice, hell even monetary value) and how we train ourselves with small lies (Hogwatch, Tooth Fairy, etc) to believe the big ones (Justice, Mercy, Compassion).

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  @michaelshigetani4336 ай бұрын

  @@springpopper5027 *slow clap* Could not have said it any better. I'd add that all economics is a belief as well, concepts exist because we believe they do.

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  @aidanrock87195 ай бұрын

  @@springpopper5027 sounds like trite waffling bollocks to me, the great big ball of gas and the sun are referring to the same thing, the sun is a great big ball of flaming gas, the word sun is representative of that flaming ball of gas, that is the name for it, this "uhhh there's a difference between what something is and what I feel about what the thing is" non-sequitor is tiresome when it doesn't relate, it's like you're switching topic halfway through the comment "ah yes, the sun is orange you see, because I feel that the sun is representative of this thing, and therefore the sun is orange" like is everyone describing this supposedly giant chasm in understanding having a stroke?

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  @daveknight84107 ай бұрын

  🤔🤔🙄🤔🤔

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  @andylavery52107 ай бұрын

  GNU Terry.

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  @michaelshigetani4336 ай бұрын

  GNU Sir Terry Pratchett

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  @ethenallen13887 ай бұрын

  It occurred to me that in the Chronicles of Narnia, the one who stopped believing in Narnia was named Susan, just like Death's granddaughter here. Was that a coincidence, or did Terry Pratchett choose that name deliberately?

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  @michaelshigetani4336 ай бұрын

  coin toss. I feel the name was deliberately chosen. I don't know if it's a reference to JUST Narnia. Sir Terry Pratchett tended to have multiple reasons behind everything. But good catch!,! I'd forgotten that.

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  @ethenallen13886 ай бұрын

  @@michaelshigetani433 I always found how Susan's fate in the Chronicles of Naria a bit unsatisfying and sometimes I my mind gets stuck on it, imagining how Lewis could have handled it or a follow up of her life after the others being killed in that train crash. This happened to be one of those times.

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  @michaelshigetani4336 ай бұрын

  @@ethenallen1388 no worries. I haven't read Narnia so I don't know. But, I am familiar with Sir Terry Pratchett's works. And that is kinda the question STP would ask and answer. The first book she shows up in is "Soul music' and she's a teenager in that one. I'd suggest you read that, and then tell me or others. If the Susan of Soul Music is similar to the Susan of Narnia.

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  @wolfbane74977 ай бұрын

  1:55

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  @ADFloyd7 ай бұрын

  One of the greatest lines in all of literature.

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  @Tyler_W7 ай бұрын

  Interesting. I agree with the sentiment, but I disagree with the way it was framed. It presents this truth as though the only things that are real and true are material and empirically observed when that simply isn't the case. What this speech does, both accurately and accidentally to some extent, is make the case for the immaterial but nonetheless very true reality that there is a spiritual and metaphysical dimension to reality.

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  @michaelshigetani4336 ай бұрын

  not really. "justice" is not a concrete force; it cannot be measured in an empirical sense. But because we BELIEVE in 'justice' we make it true. We MAKE "justice" real because we believe in it.

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  @randominternetguy87355 ай бұрын

  What can be empirically observed is all you ought to worry about.

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  @michaelshigetani4335 ай бұрын

  @@randominternetguy8735 so you're saying we shouldn't worry about things like Justice or Mercy?

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  @randominternetguy87355 ай бұрын

  @@michaelshigetani433 I wasn't talking to you. Nor did I say we shouldn't worry about justice or mercy. I was talking to the poster of the original comment who made the claim that there is a spiritual and metaphysical dimension to reality. Which he is an idiot for doing because no one can know such a thing for certain. Hence, what we can reliably know for certain is what we should prioritise.

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  @lizardguyNA7 ай бұрын

  Dude, death just blew my mind.