Is there much difference between 5.7k and 8k ? Is it worth the heat and file size for using 8k ?
@ramusgaming259215 күн бұрын
Can you tell the difference between 8k and 5.k on X4 ? Personally, Im not sure. Sometime I feel like 8k slightly better, sometimes I feel like they look the same. Perhaps I just have bad eyes.
@CharlesMCherry17 күн бұрын
Thanks for providing details many don't! In particular your height! Curious how bent your legs are at 'full extension'. Disappointed there is no pedal assist, but it is what it is.
@ElmerVlog17 күн бұрын
Nice video comparison
@Jcool72117 күн бұрын
Thanks, what a great comparison. I use dewarp if I like to have more speed in the video! It's amazing in sports like MTB riding in the woods. Beautiful natural blur and crazy speed :-)
@Ethan-os1hm19 күн бұрын
no 60fps in X3?
@AldrikEthelward20 күн бұрын
I hate the new app and studio ASPECT RATIOS ! my question is why Insta360 people delete the LINEAR and LINEAR+ and Narrow they say, they changed the name but isn't true the real aspect ratio Lienar and Linear+ is very good to do a video with 0 effect of fish eye the DEWARP the say is the same as LINEAR and LINEAR+ but not if you raise up and down you'll see the video get curved fuck it!!! for X4 if you want to add a new or rename the aspect ratio ok! but dont delete a real flat aspect ratio was very good and a lot people use that LINEAR and + aspect ratio to edit videos that look normal and not fish eye i hope INSTA360 return again that 3 aspect ratios linear and + and Narrow! what a big mistake!!
@RedpaX21 күн бұрын
I use only mega
@thesoutherndistance24 күн бұрын
There definitely appears to be more detail in the X4 footage, BUT, it also appears to be exposed a bit lower. I have to wonder how much more detail would be visible with the extra contrast added via lower exposure on the X3. Also, you're shooting 60 FPS on the X4 , assuming this camera's encoder is bandwidth limited, you might get more detail per frame by shooting at 30 FPS. Can you do a side by side in sunlight with the X3 with say, -0.3 or so EV dialed in, leave the X4 at 0.0 EV, and shoot both at 30 FPS, export at 4k?
@osabou26 күн бұрын
very useful video, thanks
@Ozpeter26 күн бұрын
Sharpness setting? The 'low' setting on the X4 should only be used if you want it to look like an earlier model. Maybe upload one of your excellent comparisons showing a static shot of a detailed scene shot in each of the three sharpness settings in good light. But I am starting to wonder whether there is a problem with your particular X4. Search for an upload in the last few days shot in Venice, runs for about 18 mins, looks excellent.
@Ozpeter26 күн бұрын
In other tests X4 low sharpness has been shown to seriously degrade the image. Not a good setting unless you really like the soft focus look.
@subethasoftware20 күн бұрын
The KZreadrs that show "best settings for your X4" seem to have differing opinions. Many say Low, so it can be sharpened later in an editor if needed, some say Medium. We should get them all in a video chat and let them discuss and debate why they choose such settings. I generally run at factory defaults unless I have a specific reason to change.
@Ozpeter20 күн бұрын
@@subethasoftware What worries me is that X4 low sharpness may be losing detail, permanently, which can't be recovered later in editing. That seemed to be what I saw in the one brief test I've seen on KZread. If that is true, it would be better to set it to medium in camera and soften it in editing, if desired. I know some videographers use low sharpness on every camera, but as there is so much AI processing going on inside the X4, it might not be the best choice - until someone proves that it is. I'd do the tests - but I don't have the camera...
@subethasoftware20 күн бұрын
@@Ozpeter Valid. I had left it at default, which is Medium, but someone mentioned it looked overly sharp in one of my other videos, so I checked the setting, and just set it to the same level to match the X3. Default makes more sense for comparison videos, I think, since that’s how the vast majority of users will probably be using this thing. When I get my next bit of time, I have another series of comparisons folks have suggested, and I’ll try to do some X4 to X4 comparisons like this as well.
@Ozpeter19 күн бұрын
@@subethasoftware Your time is much appreciated!
@subethasoftware19 күн бұрын
@@Ozpeter Even though I’ve been using digital cameras since 1996 (over 200,000 images in my galleries currently), I still claim to know little about photography. I just want to turn it on, and shoot. I only do manual stuff when trying to get non-blurry stuff on a roller coaster, or better night shots. I really need to dive in to the X4 a bit and see what sharpness I should be using. With “experts” saying Low, and others saying Medium, it’s hard to know what to use without doing testing.
@fkinsd29 күн бұрын
I caught the plastic lens cover on the X4. Did your original reframe comparison have those on also? Was the X3 also using a lens cover?
@subethasoftware28 күн бұрын
The X4 has the plastic lens protector on in all of my videos, and none on the X3. I did this because 'it comes in the box" and the tutorial in the X4 on startup tells you how to install them, so I thought that was a fair comparison - X4 "as it is" versus X3. And, because I was afraid of messing up my new X4. I've already bonked it on a doorway because it's "just a bit taller" than I am used to. Weird.
@AltitudeOutlawАй бұрын
So basically absolutely no reason to get an X4. On the X4, the colors are blown out, resolution isn't any better even at 4k. There does appear to be better IS or perspective correction, as when you rotate the X4 handles the shift better than the X3, but I feel like that's just a software thing. I am absolutely and completely unimpressed with the 4K output of this. Maybe it's just KZread compressing it? It looks terrible.
@CalvinCarloАй бұрын
What is the meaning of 5.7k+ ?
@subethasoftwareАй бұрын
Unclear to me. It is supposed to use less storage than 8K, but be almost as good. That's why I am doing the tests. I believe it still gave me the "low light, use 5.7K" warning when I did the 5.7K+ test.
@canyonblue737-8Ай бұрын
It's a newly added mode in a recent firmware of the X4 that claims to be 5.7K resolution but offer somehow improved image vs a normal 5.7K image. Insta360 says: "Close to 8K image-quality but with a smaller file size. 5.7K+ is not suitable in low light conditions." It takes up a middle ground of storage space between 8K and normal 5.7K and does not offer any frame rates about 30, just like the 8K setting.
@subethasoftwareАй бұрын
@@canyonblue737-8 We need to learn more details. At first I assumed it was 5.7K with a higher internal bitrate, but I recall checking and seeing them about the same. (I was hoping to be able to tell what mode something was recorded in via the Insta360 desktop app, but it does not show 5.7K+.) Since 5.7K+ gives the "low light" warning, just like 8K, I think it must be doing something on the front end -- maybe recording the "8K" mode and downsizing in the camera or something? I sure wish they'd actually tell us what it does.
@UnnaymedАй бұрын
Thank you. X4 seem to perform a very good hdr filtering before encoding the video, but 8k is not a visual quality step. Seem this sensor is not good for this resolution, i'm disapointed, resolution step up is very low. Does you can share insv original file to compare real pixels before reframe? Maybe the reframe is very bad.
@subethasoftwareАй бұрын
In daylight, the X4 looks substantially better after reframing to me than the X3. In low light conditions, like this test done in the evening, I really just see brighter colors.
@brianmagicman355628 күн бұрын
@subethasoftware I know 8k 30fps video is output at 2.7k after reframing what is 5.7k 60fps video output at after reframing?
@subethasoftware28 күн бұрын
@@brianmagicman3556 When I reframe 8K 360 on the X4, it defaults to exporting at 4K. For 5.7K+ and 5.7K, the export default is HD just like the X3/X2/etc.
@brianmagicman355628 күн бұрын
@@subethasoftware I've seen videos that say 8k 30fps only output at 2.7K (or am I missing something) ???
@subethasoftware28 күн бұрын
@@brianmagicman3556 The exported file will be 4K. Wide angle fish-eye lenses will never be comparable to a “normal” lens so all you can say is the X4 exports more active resolution (visibly so, visible better) than the X3/X2 did from 360. The file export will be a 4K file, but just like the X2/X3 “HD” output is not really HD, this is not really 4K - just the image size.
@fkinsdАй бұрын
Are you sure the top is the X3? Unlike your X3 vs. X4 reframe comparison, the X3 in this video looks clearer in almost every scenario. Look at the 0:45 time mark. The cars waiting to turn are way clearer. The Dental sign in the back is clearer. On the moving part of the video, the signage of the businesses are crisp on the X3 and not so much on the X4.
@subethasoftwareАй бұрын
Yeah, the X4 is the one with the much greener grass. This is why I keep doing different tests in different lighting conditions. For the daylight tests, I really think the X4 won across the board. For this "more in the evening" tests I really like the X3 better some of the time.
@subethasoftwareАй бұрын
Looks like I did the first tests (intersection) starting at 7:55pm. Sunset was officially around 8:15pm, and the other tests (along the path) started around 8:08pm. Much like how some X2 footage looked better to me than the X3, I think the same case can be made for X3 versus X4. But overall, I am so used to the improved user interface and features I don't think I could go back to my X3 at this point.
@subethasoftwareАй бұрын
I forgot I also did a single lens test, at the end of all these, around 8:25pm. It is much darker video. I will get that posted soon.
@fkinsd29 күн бұрын
@@subethasoftware That is really odd that the X3 is better in low light. I guess you need to run this same test in better light to see if that reframe video was an anomaly. I don't think it was though. I've seen some "unprocessed" video of the X3 vs. X4 and it showed the same sharper quality on the signs and such for the X4. Good to see some tests though. Its the first thing I do with my cameras also to get some kind of baseline.
@user-wn6oj1wc4dАй бұрын
If I had to choose, I like "mega".
@subethasoftwareАй бұрын
Thanks to the resolution improvements with the X4, I am expecting to mostly record 360 video. With the ONE X2 and X3, I would usually just record single lens since the reframed 360 was pretty poor. With X4, I think the reframed video is "good enough" but if I really want to record something with better resolution and lack of warping, I'll just use my phone for that.
@camilleandcarterАй бұрын
Hello. How is the bike now? Any problems with it?
@subethasoftwareАй бұрын
I have not had it out since last year. It is now starting to warm up, so I will be getting the bike out of storage and do more testing with it.
@lancairdriverАй бұрын
Noob question, I know, but does the setting change of Mega, Dewarp, or Ultra actually change the way the 360 video is recorded or just how it is first seen in editing software? I would have thought a camera that shoots 360 would have all the possible FOV. Just got x4 yesterday and have to break 40+ years of old school video habits, thanks for help.
@subethasoftwareАй бұрын
In single lens mode, the FOV setting (vertical or horizontal video, too) will be what is put in the MP4 file. For 360, the file that is recorded looks like two fish eye circles, and the field of view is just synthetic by the editing software. I can just walk around and record 360, then export it in all these different modes.
@lancairdriverАй бұрын
@@subethasoftware Thanks, very helpful. Now if I can only figure out why I'm getting worse battery life with 8k 30 than with 5.7 30 with my new x4
@subethasoftware29 күн бұрын
@@lancairdriver I would expect any larger format would have worse battery life simply from having to do more I/O to the memory card, writing out more data. Larger file, more work. Maybe that should be a test. Lens cap on, so it's encoding the same "screen", and record for 45 minutes in 8K, 45 minutes in 5.7K, 45 minutes in 5.7K+, etc. and check the file sizes. The estimates given by Insta360 are just estimates, and we should see a much smaller file when recording things that are not moving, versus recording motion/action footage.
@mikelafferty5253Ай бұрын
I find myself using Mega most of the time, the fov is HUGE!!
@subethasoftwareАй бұрын
We are in a world where folks actually seem to enjoy looking at warped video where all the buildings are curved, etc. A year or two ago, I did some walk thru videos of Universal Orlando using one of the fish-eye modes. It really does capture a lot more of what is "going around" but I'm so old school I still have a hard time "liking" warped video like that.
@BrianGreenstoneАй бұрын
There doesn't seem to be much info on what exactly this does. I assume it's trying to fake some kind of HDR Dolby Vision thing, but it's not clear exactly what's going on.
@subethasoftwareАй бұрын
Someone posted something (maybe on REDDIT) that made it sound like you had to have a player/TV/etc that supported it to see any advantage? I can clearly see it changes the colors, but maybe it’s like HDR or something - you have to have something that supports this format to really see what it does? I don’t know if I should enable it on all my exports, or not, at this point.
@kontikonsumi2028Ай бұрын
Just to make sure for the x4: You shot in 360°Mode (not single lense) with 4k (how many fps?)? Thank you! Would be interested in a 360°Mode reframed x4, 5.7k/60fps video.
@subethasoftwareАй бұрын
I did both tests - one shooting both in single lens mode and exporting, and the other shooting both in 360 then reframing and exporting. I think this video is the Reframed 360 one, so that is what you see when you record 360 and export flat later.
@josevichАй бұрын
I have the EBE1. I really like it. It also has 16 wheels but I wish it goes further than 25km on throttle because it’s hard to pedal when the battery dies
@subethasoftwareАй бұрын
Please explain “16 wheels”?
@subethasoftwareАй бұрын
Oh! Size, not number of wheels. Duh.
@cameratoolАй бұрын
Are the batteries cross compatible between x3 and x4? I know the x2 and x3 batteries are not compatible.
@subethasoftwareАй бұрын
Nope - you need to get new batteries, new charger, no mic adapter, new quick reader (apparently). Sigh. At least with the batteries we see why - larger and more power. I am not sure why they couldn’t make the clip on mic adapter compatible. The GPS remote currently does not work with the X4 either. (Well, it sorta does, but it is not listed as compatible and the screen does not update - it does start/stop video though.)
@MtnXfreerideАй бұрын
5.7k and not 5.7k+ , right?
@subethasoftwareАй бұрын
There may be a mistake in these videos. I initially recorded an 8K pass, then a 5.7K+ pass, then a 5.7K pass. A few of my recordings were incomplete, since the REC button the X4 seems to behave differently - a delay, perhaps, and I’d push it twice, cancelling the recording. But this #1 might have been the 5.7K+ pass and #2 is the normal 5.7K. I thought I could tell from Insta360 Studio but I don’t even know what to look for - same frame rate and resolution, of course.
@phillowАй бұрын
Thank you! Exactly what those influencers didn't deliver. Really helped me out to see some "real life" footage that hasn't been hampered with.
@subethasoftwareАй бұрын
Also see the Single Lens one I just uploaded. It looks awful :(
@KraeuterbutterАй бұрын
hmm.. i would have liked it when you had also exported in 4k with the X3 so i dont know: is it less resolution because exportet only in FullHD or is it less resolution because of the readout of the chip i liked the single-lens-comparison Video but this here: ok to see, that i like the colors on the X4 more but fo resolution: its that export-issue fullhD vs. 4k it would be also great so see: X3 in Single Lens-mode vs. X4 reframes to same size in 360-Mode.. so people who have already an X3 get a better feeling
@subethasoftwareАй бұрын
The X3 exporting reframed video only does 1080HD. I think you can customize and export a larger size, but my understanding is you only get about 1080HD anyway so it’s not helping. I do like the idea of comparing single lens X3 4K with reframed 360 4K from the X4. I’ll try that! If the X4 reframed can compare to X3 single lens, that’s huge.
@KraeuterbutterАй бұрын
artifical sharpening seems to be also more aggressive on the X4...
@subethasoftwareАй бұрын
I do not know what the default is on the X4, but it also has the Low, Medium and High setting. It’s possible I have my X3 set to Low or something, and the X4 defaulted to something higher. I was trying to leave the X4 “generic” but I need to check that. I think I need to redo all these tests, anyway, and add some new ones folks have suggested.
@paulcho2016Ай бұрын
This video is super helpful. Thanks!
@subethasoftwareАй бұрын
I needed to see it with my own eyes. All the expert users know how to set manual settings and stuff, and always get results far better than what I get when I just turn the camera on and click record.
@remasteredbymess9491Ай бұрын
I also use this a lot and it's awesome but it really needs some improvements at the texts and subject like this | | | | | | |
@subethasoftwareАй бұрын
All the frame interpolation stuff I have seen has issues with quick scene changes, too. You have to split up all the clips separate to avoid it.
@DanDanTravelManАй бұрын
Still frame at 0:57 basically shows the quality difference in the rubble and grass.
@subethasoftwareАй бұрын
Oh geez, you are quite right. I was focusing my attention on the business sign letters. You can really see grass details on the X4 and its more of a mush of green on the X3.
@Kajamazvideos14 күн бұрын
@@subethasoftware Truth be told, while moving quickly you dont notice it too much, but it does improve video quality.
@subethasoftware14 күн бұрын
@@Kajamazvideos Much like when I went from ONE X2 to X3, there were many examples I thought looked better on the older camera. Same thing applies to the X3 versus X4. But man, even if the video was 100% the same, I’d still have upgraded because of the other improvements. We just need to get all the missing features added back!
@M3lionsinformationBOOTHАй бұрын
Like that comparison!
@subethasoftwareАй бұрын
There are other modes (see other comments here) but I am not sure where they are. I saw them when I first got the camera and went through every Setting option, and I need to redo that. I have more comparisons to do.
@jensendelapАй бұрын
Q1 What fields of view (FOV) does X4 support? MegaView: Suitable for wide-shooting and urban scenes. Vertical distortion is reduced in 16:9/2.35:1 ratios. MaxView: Widest angle with distortion, best for shooting open landscapes such as canyons and grass. ActionView: Compresses the space for an immersive first-person view, ideal for skiing, cycling, and more. UltraWide: Suitable for scenes requiring a wider view such as mountaineering, hiking, and other outdoor sports. Dewarp: Lower distortion, suitable for shots with people, such as vlogs.
@subethasoftwareАй бұрын
Sadly, there must be some criteria that gives you all of those. My mobile app and desktop app only offer me Mega, Ultra, Dewarp, Crystal Ball and Tiny Planet with this video.
@crakzorАй бұрын
Thanks
@subethasoftwareАй бұрын
Between Ultra and Mega and Linear and Linear+ and Dewarp and ... I really just needed to see all the options to understand what they look like. My new favorite FOV is Crystal Ball. That reminds me so much of what footage came out of my cameras in 2005 when I was shooting 360 with a mirror ball attachment lens thing ;-) Not useful, but sure looks cool.
@M3lionsinformationBOOTHАй бұрын
Allen ya put a extra 6 in the 3660 title, I'll watch later! And I'll give ya a shout out on my friends channel!!
@subethasoftwareАй бұрын
Fixed - thanks for catching that.
@M3lionsinformationBOOTHАй бұрын
I think the white mini van and u-haul look clearer with dolby vision off.
@chiupoliniАй бұрын
The grass patches look more like green carpets in the X3 when compared with the X4. Marked improvement in X4. Thanks for sharing.
@subethasoftwareАй бұрын
I am doing all kinds of tests for myself, and figure I can post what I shoot in case someone else is thinking of doing the same tests.
@DipexploresАй бұрын
If possible can you make one comparison video between X4 single lens mode vs DJI action 4?
@subethasoftwareАй бұрын
No, I only have the X3 (until I sell it) and the X4. I would expect any of the single lens cameras to perform better than any of the 360 cameras for single-lens videos, though.
@wizards-themagicalconcert5048Ай бұрын
Very cool,well done mate !
@subethasoftwareАй бұрын
It's amazing what you can do just by typing some words in to a web page!
@George-FrancisАй бұрын
This is a lie. This guy exported the x2 worse on purpose. Didn't even apply flowstate. Probably did 1080p. Propaghanda !
@subethasoftwareАй бұрын
I just used the automatic settings.
@WeeWalksАй бұрын
I would like to see a video of the x4 8K reframed but just walking. Its easier to see how good the quality is.
@subethasoftwareАй бұрын
If I can't find something like that to point you to, I'll see if I can find a way to take the cameras for a walk. Right now, I am using two separate handlebar mounts to put the X3 and X4 side-by-side. I don't currently have anything for mourning them to a tripod or selfie stick.
@TomNguyenАй бұрын
x4 actually does seem to be sharper despite both cameras outputting 4k. Thanks again for the test!
@subethasoftwareАй бұрын
The question is … why? AI “fake” processing to improve the video? Capturing modern data originally then downsizing on the X4? I am sure there is some tech channel out there that has this answer. I just need to find it. During the initial launch there was a bunch of wild speculation about how they were doing this - including much that said it was just faking the upscale to 8K from the same image as the X3. Cameras need to have the same thing video projectors do - “native” specs. A projector capable of 1920x1080 just means it can accept that signal, but it might have a “native resolution” of 640x480 and is just downgrading the signal.
@TomNguyenАй бұрын
Any special export settings with Insta360 Studio before importing into Final Cut Pro? This is such a great, straightforward comparison that clearly shows a difference in sharpness. Thanks for this!
@subethasoftwareАй бұрын
I selected h.265 and used the max bitrate, 200 Mbps. That is probably overkill for this video, but I figured maxing it out would be as good as automatic "just record" gets.
@OzpeterАй бұрын
I have watched about 1000 x3 / x4 comparison videos - ok, 999 - and this is the first one where I can clearly see the resolution difference in every frame. Usually it shows with overhead cables and similar fine details, but here it can be seen throughout the shot. Great!
@subethasoftwareАй бұрын
Thanks for taking time to leave this comment. When I watch the pros, they know how to do all the manual settings and such. I figure most folks will just turn it on and click record, so that's how I try to do these videos. It doesn't matter what the camera is capable of if I don't know how to make it do it :)
@OzpeterАй бұрын
@@subethasoftware That's a very good approach!
@DoingDesMoinesАй бұрын
@@Ozpeter I just uploaded something that was done directly from the phone app. The desktop Insta360 Studio gives more export options. I wonder if anyone has done any comparisons on the export quality between mobile versus desktop. I may try that this morning. Our temperatures just dropped to near-freezing again so I don't really want to go outside for any walks or rides right now.
@DrunkPhotographyАй бұрын
X4 is controlling that sun mich better too! I like.
@subethasoftwareАй бұрын
There does seem to be more lens flaring, but that may just be the lens protector on the X4.
@DanDanTravelManАй бұрын
@@subethasoftware It is the lens protector, remove it and you wont have flair.
@relaxvideo3dАй бұрын
nice, thank you, looks like a real upgrade
@subethasoftwareАй бұрын
Far better of an upgrade than I expected -- even after watching a lot of launch day videos. One thing I did not expect were all the new features in the firmware, and how slick/nice it has. It has tutorials that walk you through settings and such, and can "speak" what mode you are in or a countdown. Just lots of really good features. This is not the same camera as the previous generations.
@cameratoolАй бұрын
Needs microSDXC UHS-II slot for more bandwidth.
@subethasoftwareАй бұрын
Do we know what the internal bitrate of saved videos is? I wonder if the storage speed is a limit, or the processing power.
@cameratoolАй бұрын
@@subethasoftware Just checked a 29:01 24.41GB set of X3 files (5760x2880 29.97fps) Bitrate of 119.88Mb/s. I got the X3 bitrate from right clicking file name - File Properties in Insta360 Studio. 24.41/29=.84 Insta360's X4 FAQ says File Size per Minute of 1.5GB. Note that real cameras bitrates start at ~400 MB/s for 4k and go to 2,600 for RAW 6k/8k.
@jimizellАй бұрын
@@subethasoftware I don't remember the video, but one of the X4 review/impression videos mentions that the likely reason for staying with 8-bit is not a bottleneck with writing to the memory card but the processing/heat. To maintain relative size/weight/power draw the technology may not yet exist. It seems likely they are using the same chipset as the Ace cameras, which likewise is limited to 8-bit. And given how hot DJI action cameras with 10-bit get with a single sensor and ONLY 4K, thermal limitations seem the likely reason.
@johnguin3615Ай бұрын
This is the greatest thing since the last greatest thing.
@subethasoftwareАй бұрын
I haven’t had this much fun since I first played with ChatGPT.
@CocoTownRetroАй бұрын
what the WHAT?!?
@subethasoftwareАй бұрын
And UDIO only got launched a week ago. Can you imagine how good it will be in a few years?
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Great!
Is there much difference between 5.7k and 8k ? Is it worth the heat and file size for using 8k ?
Can you tell the difference between 8k and 5.k on X4 ? Personally, Im not sure. Sometime I feel like 8k slightly better, sometimes I feel like they look the same. Perhaps I just have bad eyes.
Thanks for providing details many don't! In particular your height! Curious how bent your legs are at 'full extension'. Disappointed there is no pedal assist, but it is what it is.
Nice video comparison
Thanks, what a great comparison. I use dewarp if I like to have more speed in the video! It's amazing in sports like MTB riding in the woods. Beautiful natural blur and crazy speed :-)
no 60fps in X3?
I hate the new app and studio ASPECT RATIOS ! my question is why Insta360 people delete the LINEAR and LINEAR+ and Narrow they say, they changed the name but isn't true the real aspect ratio Lienar and Linear+ is very good to do a video with 0 effect of fish eye the DEWARP the say is the same as LINEAR and LINEAR+ but not if you raise up and down you'll see the video get curved fuck it!!! for X4 if you want to add a new or rename the aspect ratio ok! but dont delete a real flat aspect ratio was very good and a lot people use that LINEAR and + aspect ratio to edit videos that look normal and not fish eye i hope INSTA360 return again that 3 aspect ratios linear and + and Narrow! what a big mistake!!
I use only mega
There definitely appears to be more detail in the X4 footage, BUT, it also appears to be exposed a bit lower. I have to wonder how much more detail would be visible with the extra contrast added via lower exposure on the X3. Also, you're shooting 60 FPS on the X4 , assuming this camera's encoder is bandwidth limited, you might get more detail per frame by shooting at 30 FPS. Can you do a side by side in sunlight with the X3 with say, -0.3 or so EV dialed in, leave the X4 at 0.0 EV, and shoot both at 30 FPS, export at 4k?
very useful video, thanks
Sharpness setting? The 'low' setting on the X4 should only be used if you want it to look like an earlier model. Maybe upload one of your excellent comparisons showing a static shot of a detailed scene shot in each of the three sharpness settings in good light. But I am starting to wonder whether there is a problem with your particular X4. Search for an upload in the last few days shot in Venice, runs for about 18 mins, looks excellent.
In other tests X4 low sharpness has been shown to seriously degrade the image. Not a good setting unless you really like the soft focus look.
The KZreadrs that show "best settings for your X4" seem to have differing opinions. Many say Low, so it can be sharpened later in an editor if needed, some say Medium. We should get them all in a video chat and let them discuss and debate why they choose such settings. I generally run at factory defaults unless I have a specific reason to change.
@@subethasoftware What worries me is that X4 low sharpness may be losing detail, permanently, which can't be recovered later in editing. That seemed to be what I saw in the one brief test I've seen on KZread. If that is true, it would be better to set it to medium in camera and soften it in editing, if desired. I know some videographers use low sharpness on every camera, but as there is so much AI processing going on inside the X4, it might not be the best choice - until someone proves that it is. I'd do the tests - but I don't have the camera...
@@Ozpeter Valid. I had left it at default, which is Medium, but someone mentioned it looked overly sharp in one of my other videos, so I checked the setting, and just set it to the same level to match the X3. Default makes more sense for comparison videos, I think, since that’s how the vast majority of users will probably be using this thing. When I get my next bit of time, I have another series of comparisons folks have suggested, and I’ll try to do some X4 to X4 comparisons like this as well.
@@subethasoftware Your time is much appreciated!
@@Ozpeter Even though I’ve been using digital cameras since 1996 (over 200,000 images in my galleries currently), I still claim to know little about photography. I just want to turn it on, and shoot. I only do manual stuff when trying to get non-blurry stuff on a roller coaster, or better night shots. I really need to dive in to the X4 a bit and see what sharpness I should be using. With “experts” saying Low, and others saying Medium, it’s hard to know what to use without doing testing.
I caught the plastic lens cover on the X4. Did your original reframe comparison have those on also? Was the X3 also using a lens cover?
The X4 has the plastic lens protector on in all of my videos, and none on the X3. I did this because 'it comes in the box" and the tutorial in the X4 on startup tells you how to install them, so I thought that was a fair comparison - X4 "as it is" versus X3. And, because I was afraid of messing up my new X4. I've already bonked it on a doorway because it's "just a bit taller" than I am used to. Weird.
So basically absolutely no reason to get an X4. On the X4, the colors are blown out, resolution isn't any better even at 4k. There does appear to be better IS or perspective correction, as when you rotate the X4 handles the shift better than the X3, but I feel like that's just a software thing. I am absolutely and completely unimpressed with the 4K output of this. Maybe it's just KZread compressing it? It looks terrible.
What is the meaning of 5.7k+ ?
Unclear to me. It is supposed to use less storage than 8K, but be almost as good. That's why I am doing the tests. I believe it still gave me the "low light, use 5.7K" warning when I did the 5.7K+ test.
It's a newly added mode in a recent firmware of the X4 that claims to be 5.7K resolution but offer somehow improved image vs a normal 5.7K image. Insta360 says: "Close to 8K image-quality but with a smaller file size. 5.7K+ is not suitable in low light conditions." It takes up a middle ground of storage space between 8K and normal 5.7K and does not offer any frame rates about 30, just like the 8K setting.
@@canyonblue737-8 We need to learn more details. At first I assumed it was 5.7K with a higher internal bitrate, but I recall checking and seeing them about the same. (I was hoping to be able to tell what mode something was recorded in via the Insta360 desktop app, but it does not show 5.7K+.) Since 5.7K+ gives the "low light" warning, just like 8K, I think it must be doing something on the front end -- maybe recording the "8K" mode and downsizing in the camera or something? I sure wish they'd actually tell us what it does.
Thank you. X4 seem to perform a very good hdr filtering before encoding the video, but 8k is not a visual quality step. Seem this sensor is not good for this resolution, i'm disapointed, resolution step up is very low. Does you can share insv original file to compare real pixels before reframe? Maybe the reframe is very bad.
In daylight, the X4 looks substantially better after reframing to me than the X3. In low light conditions, like this test done in the evening, I really just see brighter colors.
@subethasoftware I know 8k 30fps video is output at 2.7k after reframing what is 5.7k 60fps video output at after reframing?
@@brianmagicman3556 When I reframe 8K 360 on the X4, it defaults to exporting at 4K. For 5.7K+ and 5.7K, the export default is HD just like the X3/X2/etc.
@@subethasoftware I've seen videos that say 8k 30fps only output at 2.7K (or am I missing something) ???
@@brianmagicman3556 The exported file will be 4K. Wide angle fish-eye lenses will never be comparable to a “normal” lens so all you can say is the X4 exports more active resolution (visibly so, visible better) than the X3/X2 did from 360. The file export will be a 4K file, but just like the X2/X3 “HD” output is not really HD, this is not really 4K - just the image size.
Are you sure the top is the X3? Unlike your X3 vs. X4 reframe comparison, the X3 in this video looks clearer in almost every scenario. Look at the 0:45 time mark. The cars waiting to turn are way clearer. The Dental sign in the back is clearer. On the moving part of the video, the signage of the businesses are crisp on the X3 and not so much on the X4.
Yeah, the X4 is the one with the much greener grass. This is why I keep doing different tests in different lighting conditions. For the daylight tests, I really think the X4 won across the board. For this "more in the evening" tests I really like the X3 better some of the time.
Looks like I did the first tests (intersection) starting at 7:55pm. Sunset was officially around 8:15pm, and the other tests (along the path) started around 8:08pm. Much like how some X2 footage looked better to me than the X3, I think the same case can be made for X3 versus X4. But overall, I am so used to the improved user interface and features I don't think I could go back to my X3 at this point.
I forgot I also did a single lens test, at the end of all these, around 8:25pm. It is much darker video. I will get that posted soon.
@@subethasoftware That is really odd that the X3 is better in low light. I guess you need to run this same test in better light to see if that reframe video was an anomaly. I don't think it was though. I've seen some "unprocessed" video of the X3 vs. X4 and it showed the same sharper quality on the signs and such for the X4. Good to see some tests though. Its the first thing I do with my cameras also to get some kind of baseline.
If I had to choose, I like "mega".
Thanks to the resolution improvements with the X4, I am expecting to mostly record 360 video. With the ONE X2 and X3, I would usually just record single lens since the reframed 360 was pretty poor. With X4, I think the reframed video is "good enough" but if I really want to record something with better resolution and lack of warping, I'll just use my phone for that.
Hello. How is the bike now? Any problems with it?
I have not had it out since last year. It is now starting to warm up, so I will be getting the bike out of storage and do more testing with it.
Noob question, I know, but does the setting change of Mega, Dewarp, or Ultra actually change the way the 360 video is recorded or just how it is first seen in editing software? I would have thought a camera that shoots 360 would have all the possible FOV. Just got x4 yesterday and have to break 40+ years of old school video habits, thanks for help.
In single lens mode, the FOV setting (vertical or horizontal video, too) will be what is put in the MP4 file. For 360, the file that is recorded looks like two fish eye circles, and the field of view is just synthetic by the editing software. I can just walk around and record 360, then export it in all these different modes.
@@subethasoftware Thanks, very helpful. Now if I can only figure out why I'm getting worse battery life with 8k 30 than with 5.7 30 with my new x4
@@lancairdriver I would expect any larger format would have worse battery life simply from having to do more I/O to the memory card, writing out more data. Larger file, more work. Maybe that should be a test. Lens cap on, so it's encoding the same "screen", and record for 45 minutes in 8K, 45 minutes in 5.7K, 45 minutes in 5.7K+, etc. and check the file sizes. The estimates given by Insta360 are just estimates, and we should see a much smaller file when recording things that are not moving, versus recording motion/action footage.
I find myself using Mega most of the time, the fov is HUGE!!
We are in a world where folks actually seem to enjoy looking at warped video where all the buildings are curved, etc. A year or two ago, I did some walk thru videos of Universal Orlando using one of the fish-eye modes. It really does capture a lot more of what is "going around" but I'm so old school I still have a hard time "liking" warped video like that.
There doesn't seem to be much info on what exactly this does. I assume it's trying to fake some kind of HDR Dolby Vision thing, but it's not clear exactly what's going on.
Someone posted something (maybe on REDDIT) that made it sound like you had to have a player/TV/etc that supported it to see any advantage? I can clearly see it changes the colors, but maybe it’s like HDR or something - you have to have something that supports this format to really see what it does? I don’t know if I should enable it on all my exports, or not, at this point.
Just to make sure for the x4: You shot in 360°Mode (not single lense) with 4k (how many fps?)? Thank you! Would be interested in a 360°Mode reframed x4, 5.7k/60fps video.
I did both tests - one shooting both in single lens mode and exporting, and the other shooting both in 360 then reframing and exporting. I think this video is the Reframed 360 one, so that is what you see when you record 360 and export flat later.
I have the EBE1. I really like it. It also has 16 wheels but I wish it goes further than 25km on throttle because it’s hard to pedal when the battery dies
Please explain “16 wheels”?
Oh! Size, not number of wheels. Duh.
Are the batteries cross compatible between x3 and x4? I know the x2 and x3 batteries are not compatible.
Nope - you need to get new batteries, new charger, no mic adapter, new quick reader (apparently). Sigh. At least with the batteries we see why - larger and more power. I am not sure why they couldn’t make the clip on mic adapter compatible. The GPS remote currently does not work with the X4 either. (Well, it sorta does, but it is not listed as compatible and the screen does not update - it does start/stop video though.)
5.7k and not 5.7k+ , right?
There may be a mistake in these videos. I initially recorded an 8K pass, then a 5.7K+ pass, then a 5.7K pass. A few of my recordings were incomplete, since the REC button the X4 seems to behave differently - a delay, perhaps, and I’d push it twice, cancelling the recording. But this #1 might have been the 5.7K+ pass and #2 is the normal 5.7K. I thought I could tell from Insta360 Studio but I don’t even know what to look for - same frame rate and resolution, of course.
Thank you! Exactly what those influencers didn't deliver. Really helped me out to see some "real life" footage that hasn't been hampered with.
Also see the Single Lens one I just uploaded. It looks awful :(
hmm.. i would have liked it when you had also exported in 4k with the X3 so i dont know: is it less resolution because exportet only in FullHD or is it less resolution because of the readout of the chip i liked the single-lens-comparison Video but this here: ok to see, that i like the colors on the X4 more but fo resolution: its that export-issue fullhD vs. 4k it would be also great so see: X3 in Single Lens-mode vs. X4 reframes to same size in 360-Mode.. so people who have already an X3 get a better feeling
The X3 exporting reframed video only does 1080HD. I think you can customize and export a larger size, but my understanding is you only get about 1080HD anyway so it’s not helping. I do like the idea of comparing single lens X3 4K with reframed 360 4K from the X4. I’ll try that! If the X4 reframed can compare to X3 single lens, that’s huge.
artifical sharpening seems to be also more aggressive on the X4...
I do not know what the default is on the X4, but it also has the Low, Medium and High setting. It’s possible I have my X3 set to Low or something, and the X4 defaulted to something higher. I was trying to leave the X4 “generic” but I need to check that. I think I need to redo all these tests, anyway, and add some new ones folks have suggested.
This video is super helpful. Thanks!
I needed to see it with my own eyes. All the expert users know how to set manual settings and stuff, and always get results far better than what I get when I just turn the camera on and click record.
I also use this a lot and it's awesome but it really needs some improvements at the texts and subject like this | | | | | | |
All the frame interpolation stuff I have seen has issues with quick scene changes, too. You have to split up all the clips separate to avoid it.
Still frame at 0:57 basically shows the quality difference in the rubble and grass.
Oh geez, you are quite right. I was focusing my attention on the business sign letters. You can really see grass details on the X4 and its more of a mush of green on the X3.
@@subethasoftware Truth be told, while moving quickly you dont notice it too much, but it does improve video quality.
@@Kajamazvideos Much like when I went from ONE X2 to X3, there were many examples I thought looked better on the older camera. Same thing applies to the X3 versus X4. But man, even if the video was 100% the same, I’d still have upgraded because of the other improvements. We just need to get all the missing features added back!
Like that comparison!
There are other modes (see other comments here) but I am not sure where they are. I saw them when I first got the camera and went through every Setting option, and I need to redo that. I have more comparisons to do.
Q1 What fields of view (FOV) does X4 support? MegaView: Suitable for wide-shooting and urban scenes. Vertical distortion is reduced in 16:9/2.35:1 ratios. MaxView: Widest angle with distortion, best for shooting open landscapes such as canyons and grass. ActionView: Compresses the space for an immersive first-person view, ideal for skiing, cycling, and more. UltraWide: Suitable for scenes requiring a wider view such as mountaineering, hiking, and other outdoor sports. Dewarp: Lower distortion, suitable for shots with people, such as vlogs.
Sadly, there must be some criteria that gives you all of those. My mobile app and desktop app only offer me Mega, Ultra, Dewarp, Crystal Ball and Tiny Planet with this video.
Thanks
Between Ultra and Mega and Linear and Linear+ and Dewarp and ... I really just needed to see all the options to understand what they look like. My new favorite FOV is Crystal Ball. That reminds me so much of what footage came out of my cameras in 2005 when I was shooting 360 with a mirror ball attachment lens thing ;-) Not useful, but sure looks cool.
Allen ya put a extra 6 in the 3660 title, I'll watch later! And I'll give ya a shout out on my friends channel!!
Fixed - thanks for catching that.
I think the white mini van and u-haul look clearer with dolby vision off.
The grass patches look more like green carpets in the X3 when compared with the X4. Marked improvement in X4. Thanks for sharing.
I am doing all kinds of tests for myself, and figure I can post what I shoot in case someone else is thinking of doing the same tests.
If possible can you make one comparison video between X4 single lens mode vs DJI action 4?
No, I only have the X3 (until I sell it) and the X4. I would expect any of the single lens cameras to perform better than any of the 360 cameras for single-lens videos, though.
Very cool,well done mate !
It's amazing what you can do just by typing some words in to a web page!
This is a lie. This guy exported the x2 worse on purpose. Didn't even apply flowstate. Probably did 1080p. Propaghanda !
I just used the automatic settings.
I would like to see a video of the x4 8K reframed but just walking. Its easier to see how good the quality is.
If I can't find something like that to point you to, I'll see if I can find a way to take the cameras for a walk. Right now, I am using two separate handlebar mounts to put the X3 and X4 side-by-side. I don't currently have anything for mourning them to a tripod or selfie stick.
x4 actually does seem to be sharper despite both cameras outputting 4k. Thanks again for the test!
The question is … why? AI “fake” processing to improve the video? Capturing modern data originally then downsizing on the X4? I am sure there is some tech channel out there that has this answer. I just need to find it. During the initial launch there was a bunch of wild speculation about how they were doing this - including much that said it was just faking the upscale to 8K from the same image as the X3. Cameras need to have the same thing video projectors do - “native” specs. A projector capable of 1920x1080 just means it can accept that signal, but it might have a “native resolution” of 640x480 and is just downgrading the signal.
Any special export settings with Insta360 Studio before importing into Final Cut Pro? This is such a great, straightforward comparison that clearly shows a difference in sharpness. Thanks for this!
I selected h.265 and used the max bitrate, 200 Mbps. That is probably overkill for this video, but I figured maxing it out would be as good as automatic "just record" gets.
I have watched about 1000 x3 / x4 comparison videos - ok, 999 - and this is the first one where I can clearly see the resolution difference in every frame. Usually it shows with overhead cables and similar fine details, but here it can be seen throughout the shot. Great!
Thanks for taking time to leave this comment. When I watch the pros, they know how to do all the manual settings and such. I figure most folks will just turn it on and click record, so that's how I try to do these videos. It doesn't matter what the camera is capable of if I don't know how to make it do it :)
@@subethasoftware That's a very good approach!
@@Ozpeter I just uploaded something that was done directly from the phone app. The desktop Insta360 Studio gives more export options. I wonder if anyone has done any comparisons on the export quality between mobile versus desktop. I may try that this morning. Our temperatures just dropped to near-freezing again so I don't really want to go outside for any walks or rides right now.
X4 is controlling that sun mich better too! I like.
There does seem to be more lens flaring, but that may just be the lens protector on the X4.
@@subethasoftware It is the lens protector, remove it and you wont have flair.
nice, thank you, looks like a real upgrade
Far better of an upgrade than I expected -- even after watching a lot of launch day videos. One thing I did not expect were all the new features in the firmware, and how slick/nice it has. It has tutorials that walk you through settings and such, and can "speak" what mode you are in or a countdown. Just lots of really good features. This is not the same camera as the previous generations.
Needs microSDXC UHS-II slot for more bandwidth.
Do we know what the internal bitrate of saved videos is? I wonder if the storage speed is a limit, or the processing power.
@@subethasoftware Just checked a 29:01 24.41GB set of X3 files (5760x2880 29.97fps) Bitrate of 119.88Mb/s. I got the X3 bitrate from right clicking file name - File Properties in Insta360 Studio. 24.41/29=.84 Insta360's X4 FAQ says File Size per Minute of 1.5GB. Note that real cameras bitrates start at ~400 MB/s for 4k and go to 2,600 for RAW 6k/8k.
@@subethasoftware I don't remember the video, but one of the X4 review/impression videos mentions that the likely reason for staying with 8-bit is not a bottleneck with writing to the memory card but the processing/heat. To maintain relative size/weight/power draw the technology may not yet exist. It seems likely they are using the same chipset as the Ace cameras, which likewise is limited to 8-bit. And given how hot DJI action cameras with 10-bit get with a single sensor and ONLY 4K, thermal limitations seem the likely reason.
This is the greatest thing since the last greatest thing.
I haven’t had this much fun since I first played with ChatGPT.
what the WHAT?!?
And UDIO only got launched a week ago. Can you imagine how good it will be in a few years?