There are lots of people who will kill your baby for you. Everyone has the right to refuse without being fired. This also applies to elective surgery. A surgeon can deny you treatment if they feel like it would be a detriment to you or goes against their morals. I.e. breast implants that weigh 20lbs/ea.
@secularsekai8910 Жыл бұрын
Did the bill pass or fail?
@Selfacceptance-li4ol Жыл бұрын
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@inulomar17762 жыл бұрын
They can keep their toys, but cannot tell me I have to play with their toys, or believe in their toys, their toys do not dictate how I live or die, their toys should not decide public policy, their toys should not be allowed near children, they have proven that is a mistake, they should not get government money and should pay full tax on their toys
@brianedwards71422 жыл бұрын
Belief in the supernatural is not rational. Why should you be able to mess up my life because you are irrational? Take your delusions and move on. The irony is this government being one of the least ethical in living memory.
@brianedwards71422 жыл бұрын
@Maggie Smith Typical bully. You think because I don't want you to ruin MY life because of YOUR delusions it's doing you harm. There's nothing that says I have to like people who want to ruin my life (or someone else's).
@brianedwards71422 жыл бұрын
@Maggie Smith This whole thing is about spite because you lost the marriage equality vote.
@forallofme44412 жыл бұрын
Don't divide us?! What about the vax mandates? They are literally divisions built into law supported by you guys. The level of hypocrisy is... astounding!
@Sal36002 жыл бұрын
Wait isn't this freedom? Choose who you want to serve?
@LudwigWittgenstein-qi2gn11 ай бұрын
You shouldn’t be free to discriminate
@Stikibits2 жыл бұрын
“History, I believe, furnishes no example of a priest-ridden people maintaining a free civil government. This marks the lowest grade of ignorance of which their civil as well as religious leaders will always avail themselves for their own purposes.” -Thomas Jefferson: in letter to Alexander von Humboldt, December 6, 1813
@TheRoguePrince02 жыл бұрын
If you don't believe in thor, I'll show you the door.
@HiddenView19773 жыл бұрын
Is the world falling apart or in to place? Depends on who you serve. Who is your master? I ask you to rethink what you know about God. Rethink what you've been taught. God wants a relationship, not a religion. - Jesus came for all mankind ... not select groups - Jesus came to bring salvation ... not condemnation. - Jesus came to be an example .. not an imaginary construct If you are reading this Post Rapture: Rev 14:6 - And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people, Rev 14:7 - Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to Him; for the hour of His judgment is come: and worship Him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters. Pre Rapture: Mark 16:15 - And He said to them, “Go into all the world and preach the gospel to every creature. - You've broken 1 of the 10 commandments and are guilty of sin if you've ever lied, or stolen, or lusted. Works of righteousness will not save you. Jesus Christ is the only way. Romans 6:23 - For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord. Romans 10:9 - That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. 1. Humble yourself before the Lord 2. Admit to the breaking of His laws as found in the 10 commandments 3. Ask for His forgiveness for those sins 4. By faith, believe Jesus died on the cross for your sins 5. Confess with your mouth that Jesus is your Lord and Savior 6. By faith, believe Jesus rose from the dead 7. Receive the gift of salvation and the Holy Spirit will fill you
@TheRoguePrince03 жыл бұрын
Yeah believe in thor, or duck off. The power is yours.
@waynesmith29473 жыл бұрын
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@waynesmith29473 жыл бұрын
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@mojo50934 жыл бұрын
enable comments on Sam Harris - Death and the Present Moment why have they been disabled?
@robertmcmillan36384 жыл бұрын
Typical atheist propaganda about religious people 🙄.
@siim6054 жыл бұрын
Don't you have some groveling to do to your imaginary friend? Begone, scumbag.
@robertmcmillan36384 жыл бұрын
@@siim605 *"Begone scumbag"?* What's that? Some kind of mix of backwater Australian slang mixed with lord of the rings?
@pulsegamin47902 жыл бұрын
Except its true
@robertmcmillan36382 жыл бұрын
@@pulsegamin4790 What's true?
@pulsegamin47902 жыл бұрын
@@robertmcmillan3638 That this bill was attempted to be passed.
@troykiernan93294 жыл бұрын
Haha what a pathetic add this looks like now in the light of the serious issues we are facing. Hopefully when coronavirus blows over we dont have to go back to listening to this garbage
@catholicphoenix79694 жыл бұрын
What? A person doesn't want to serve me or provide a service that they find to be immoral? How dare they right? Maybe we should threaten them with jail time until they decide to do what we want them to do. To hell with their freedom! Let's coerce them into providing that service that they find to be immoral! Any rational, reasonable fellow would do the same thing right? After all chemists are well known for being religious, in fact all of them are, ALL chemists refuse to provide certain services so we need to make them provide these services! We can't just go to another chemist, that's too much effort!
@gladishilton19434 жыл бұрын
Right, so if someone walks off the street into a bakery that advertises wedding cakes and wishes to purchase such a cake that's immoral (depending on what's written on the cake) but the baker discriminating against a customer is moral. And if someone walks off the street into a pharmacy that advertises itself as fulfilling prescription and wishes to have a prescription issued by a doctor, fulfilled, that's immoral (depending on what drug is being prescribed) but the pharmacist thinking he/she can trump the decision of a consulting doctor and thus discriminating against a customer, is moral. You see, this is why the ardent Christian is today both mentally and morally derailed.
@catholicphoenix79694 жыл бұрын
@@gladishilton1943 There's nothing immoral about wanting to buy medicine or request the baking of cakes. I don't recall ever saying that so please tell me where you get that idea from. However a person refusing service when service isn't owed is a legitimate stance. After all the enforced baking of a cake is in fact involuntary servitude as is making someone sell a drug they don't want to sell. My issue is that forcing someone to use their labour in a way that actively opposes their moral values is a violation of that person. I didn't think that to be a value isolated to ardent christian values and it certainly doesn't imply mental derailment.
@gladishilton19434 жыл бұрын
@@catholicphoenix7969 I wasn't trying to put words in your mouth, I was just describing the situation from the perspective of a 3rd party neither associated with the BAKER nor the Customer to highlights that reluctance to serve on religious grounds invokes DISCRIMINATION of a customer because the party on the other side of the counter is not asking the BAKER to do anything else apart from what he/she has voluntarily gone into business to do and which they attracted the customer to them on the basis of their advertisement as a BAKERY THAT BAKES CAKES. Furthermore, I wasn't trying to put words in your mouth, I was just describing the situation from the perspective of a 3rd party neither associated with the PHARMACIST nor the Customer to highlights that the reluctance to serve on religious grounds invokes DISCRIMINATION of a customer because the party on the other side of the counter is not asking the PHARMACIST to do anything else apart from what he/she has voluntarily gone into business to do and which they attracted the customer to them on the basis of their advertisement as a PHARMACY FULFILLING PRESCRIPTIONS...though in this case the pharmacist may also be answerable to a charge of MALPRACTICE. Service is in fact due by the BAKER and the PHARMACIST through how they represent themselves as BAKERS and PHARMACISTS. But I have an easy fix. Perhaps we should mandate that prominent signage like the health warnings found on a packet of cigarettes be displayed by any businesses that wishes to impose their religious ideologies on how they deal with customers. This way there are no false representations being made and no unrealistic expectations harbored by the community. BAKERY - Not serving HOMOSEXUALS or members of the LGTBI community. PHARMACIST - Dispensing only drugs and medical products in accordance with Christian values and teachings. Sound reasonable?
@catholicphoenix79694 жыл бұрын
@@gladishilton1943 I agree the fix in your last paragraph maybe not the first two but I want to be positive here. What you suggest is a further than just reasonable, I'd say that it's great compromise and is fair on all sides whilst requiring no violations towards anyone. Companies should be honest and open with their customers. If a business does not want to provide a service to specific persons or refuse to provide a specific service then they should be transparent about that if their representation does not imply said exclusion. I'm glad that we could find common ground.
@gladishilton19434 жыл бұрын
@@catholicphoenix7969 Well, perhaps not so fast, Catholic Phoenix. How would you respond if the Pharmacy Board of Australian now stipulated (if it doesn't already) that a Pharmacist cannot compromise the practice of his particular branch of medicine by conflating his professional training and duties with considerations that are not part of the recognized Science of medicine?
@MartinIrma4 жыл бұрын
This is a complete outrage! That bill must be stopped.
Pharmacy is a profession established by scientific knowledge. It is a branch of medicine and as such, a pharmacist is employed to practice this branch of medicine soundly. Since no branch or element of Medicine hinges on religious belief, a pharmacist when acting in the capacity of a pharmacist has no right to compromise his practice with extraneous thoughts such as religious views or convictions. The moment a pharmacist allows this to happen he/she becomes a danger to the client/patient and should necessarily be barred from practice. It's pretty black and white. We can also view this debate in terms of rights and freedoms and arrive at the same conclusion: One might argue that the pharmacist is an individual and an individual should always have the right to choose whether to do, or not do something. Well that is not entirely true. If the individual exercise such rights whilst acting in the capacity of a pharmacist then his/her actions may be detrimental to the person that came to them based on the representation they made of being a pharmacist. Both the Law and commonsense must place restrictions on such choices and actions which have real life consequences. To choose to withhold pharmaceutical services for any reason other than for sound medical or pharmaceutical reasons - in other words, not practicing sound pharmacy - potentially harms the individual who sought pharmaceutical services in two ways - as a civil matter the pharmacist is potentially guilty of misrepresentation and discrimination. - both prohibited by law. But perhaps more importantly, the pharmacist may potentially cause medical harm to the individual - yes you can inflict harm by inaction. Therefore, if an individual wishes to retain the right to enact his/her religious beliefs at any and all times without the potential of harming others, that individual should choose a different occupation - one which permits or tolerates you acting like a fool - perhaps they should get a job as a church chorister.
@DanDare20504 жыл бұрын
Which is how it should be. The Bill allows pharmacists to refuse the sale of, say, the pill or the morning after pill, because of religious dogma. www.ag.gov.au/Consultations/Pages/religious-freedom-bills-second-exposure-drafts.aspx
@gladishilton19434 жыл бұрын
@Mel J Ha, Ha. Prove it! Bet you can't.
@gladishilton19434 жыл бұрын
@Mel J Ha, Ha. LOL is right. Creation wasn't God. It was my friend, Gary...or at least that's what he claims. Now, I can show you my friend Gary and he'll explain to you exactly how he did it. Can you show us your friend God so that we can....What's that?! No you can't?! Oh dear, I wonder who's making shit up now. LOL. Religion has turned you into an intellectual vegetable, Mel J.
@gladishilton19434 жыл бұрын
@Mel J You've already forgotten, it's not God's plan...it's Gary's. Remember, God is only your imaginary friend, mine is real - I can prove it. Stop being an ostrich. Get you head out of that book - it's not what you think it is.
@gladishilton19434 жыл бұрын
@Mel J You're already suffering for you choices, Mel J. With every passing comment you talk more and more bullshit. Your religion has turned you into an imbecile. Gary says, Hi!
@Lo0NaTik14 жыл бұрын
Regardless of religion or not, #1 rule of retail - the customer is always right.
@TM-vw8nn4 жыл бұрын
It's also possible to just go to a different chemist...
@Jamcad014 жыл бұрын
Boo hoo. You have to find anothet pharmacy. People have the right to refuse service for any reason. All forms of forced labour are a form of slavery
@janemh58664 жыл бұрын
Oh shit I didn't know that, works for me I'm going to go to work and sit on my arse for my full shift and not do my job. I mean I have the right to refuse to do my job for any reason so cool!
@janemh58664 жыл бұрын
(also just quietly cos this is a bit embarrassing for you but not everyone lives in a city. See in Australia it's actually pretty big and full of rural small towns. It's OK just try to have a bit of a think next time, and while you're going maybe have a quick look what an "example" is, that's what that's called and how you spell it :) )
@Jamcad014 жыл бұрын
@@janemh5866 Most doctors are sole traders with their own ABNs. Also a pharmacy itself should be allowed to determine whether they want to sell certain products or not
@Jamcad014 жыл бұрын
@@janemh5866 How exactly is your point contradicting anything I'm saying?
@janemh58664 жыл бұрын
@@Jamcad01 I'm not contradicting it I'm ridiculing it. Obviously? Or not 😂 And do you think pharmacists are drs?? Yes the business should be able to decide not the individual employee working against what their employer wants the business to be but not beint abke to be fired for not fulfilling the requirements of the job
@markhewitt36234 жыл бұрын
This bill will also work in reverse. You'll be able to discriminate against people of religion
@punctatus1004 жыл бұрын
Watch your back!
@markhewitt36234 жыл бұрын
@@punctatus100 Not a very Christian response 🤔
@punctatus1004 жыл бұрын
@@markhewitt3623 For too long religions have enjoyed undeserved privileges and tax relief. This Bill if passed,will provide them with even more power. Where will it end? Unbelievers, be afraid, be very afraid.
@markhewitt36234 жыл бұрын
@@punctatus100 totally agree but as humans become more educated religion will loose it's relevance and fade away...
@tausifkarim88612 жыл бұрын
@@punctatus100 Lol atheism is on the rise in australia..The religious are going to be crying to remove this bill in the future.
@aureliusmarcus18174 жыл бұрын
No private enterprise or privately employed person can be legally compelled to provide specific goods or services. Doctors do take an oath ... but given that most doctors already refuse to perform certain procedures on quasi-moral grounds (circumcision), that oath is apparently flexible. If we don't protect the right of businesses to conduct their business as they see fit, we are lost. And having seen plenty of footage of people wearing MAGA hats being refused service, I think we can safely assume that Progressives are just as determined to retain that right.
@gladishilton19434 жыл бұрын
Circumcision is an entirely unnecessary medical procedure. It is interference with a young body, requested typically on religious grounds, not genuine medical need. Given that any medical procedure comes with an associated risk, it seems like sound medical practice to avoid such unnecessary medical interventions. Even if a doctor was to refuse on the grounds of personal views there is no issue because his actions continue to conform with sound medical practice.
@patriot85544 жыл бұрын
An atheist bigotry propaganda advertisement against Christianity.
@evanm7384 жыл бұрын
F, playing the victim much?
@gladishilton19434 жыл бұрын
Some Christian seem to be unhappy that the privileged position their beliefs enjoyed in the past, are now being severely eroded. Oh well, that's what eventually happens when you keep asserting views you claim are based on revealed truth but it's not really the case. Soon or later people work out your views are founded on BS. Perhaps you should stop with the pretentious outrage & tantrums, grow up and join the 21st century.
@patriot85544 жыл бұрын
@@gladishilton1943 LOL ... " privileged" ... leftists love that word. The truth is never " eroded" ... your wonderful secular society will be devoured by satanic islam in the future .... be aware of that. Leftism is the destroyer of boundaries ( especially Gods boundaries ) Which hold the fabric of society together...As western society decays from within , islam will eventually be your new ruler ( which is to happening in western Europe as we speak ) Enjoy your freedom while it lasts. Just think about the Roman Empire.. it's no different.
@gladishilton19434 жыл бұрын
@@patriot8554 said "The truth is never eroded". I can agree with that. It's why all religions which profess to know the truth but are expose over time for not really doing so, are on the decline. I can also agree that Christianity is suffering the most decline because it is considerably more enlightened than hard-line authoritarian and dictatorial Islam. And as Christianity declines, Islam may enjoy an increase in "market share" so to speak, however I think this would be a transient phenomenon. As science advances and educates the masses with it's discoveries, its ideas will inevitably spread and take root even within the strong holds of the most fanatical religious communities - as long as people with skeptical and questioning minds exist within though groups. Eventually humanity's understanding and intellect will outgrow such irrational thoughts and religions will be relegated to the pages of history. This is my prediction. And if it comes true no one will refer to me as a prophet
@patriot85544 жыл бұрын
@@gladishilton1943 So you believe nothing can create something?
@Murphskipper4 жыл бұрын
Some of the fuckin' essays in this comment section could be a good couple dozen lines shorter and still convey the same amount of information...
@wesleykent35854 жыл бұрын
They denied Christ so technically they started it, I say deny them all based on their beliefs. It’s only fair it goes both ways.
@danielth70754 жыл бұрын
Everyone saying religion is destructive is shallow minded and would not understand why it is not
@pdenn1s4 жыл бұрын
Wow, helping sluts kill babies, now that's a movement I can really get behind! Looking forward to hearing you all freak out lol!
@evanm7384 жыл бұрын
Peter Dennis, Let’s say a ten year old was gang raped by a group of men, or a parent/trusted figure in their life. Would you still be saying this? Abortion isn’t something people want. You’ve never lost a child so you’ll have no idea how horrible the process of it is. Regardless, the Plan B pill doesn’t “kill” a baby, it acts as an emergency contraceptive usually in the case of a condom breaking or other reasons, assault. To say otherwise you would be clearly an ignorant, stupid person.
@falseprofit4u4 жыл бұрын
@ @Somebody Once Which God are you referring to? The victim complex belongs to the self righteous expecting all of their demands to be met without objection or rejections based on personal beliefs thereby respecting and not impinging on that individual's ability to exercise that belief or moral standard they abide by.
@psdko4 жыл бұрын
What an honest load of shit.
@troglodyte42074 жыл бұрын
That’s literally the opposite of what the bill would do. The bill would say that secular services like pharmacists can’t discriminate based off of religion
@50phia4 жыл бұрын
Did you read the bill? It allows people to deny services to others due to religious reasons when its an excuse to be a bigot
@askegg4 жыл бұрын
You haven’t read the bill, or any of the articles about it.
@James-xv8xv4 жыл бұрын
What a worthlessly ambiguous video. Piss off.
@AdamReakesHerdMentality4 жыл бұрын
Then allow us to be more specific. dontdivideus dot com dot au - you'll find this as an example there.
@kostatolis60514 жыл бұрын
That is so fake why would they deny you of your prescription Shut up
@50phia4 жыл бұрын
Because some Religions are against meds and they could take advantage of this bill. Shut up
@askegg4 жыл бұрын
Under the proposed bill religious organisations and individuals can deny products and services to customers. Read it.
@evanm7384 жыл бұрын
Many Christians believe that you shouldn’t be allowed to use contraception or birth preventatives, even in the case of it being forced.
@MagcargoMan4 жыл бұрын
"Athiest Foundation" "Foundation" Anyone see the irony here? I thought athiests despised groupthink yet they love to congregate with others of the same ideology like the people they despise.
@50phia4 жыл бұрын
An atheist is a person who doesn’t believe in god, not someone who is against group thinking
@MagcargoMan4 жыл бұрын
@@41PH4B3TS0UP Again you project. The only bias here is you, trying to silence someone who isn't blind to the hypocrisy. The fact that you got offended by a factual statement shows you have a persecution complex, which is of course why you group yourself with others.
@user-kb3ji1ss1r4 жыл бұрын
Absolutely based, wxman BTFO by an absolute Chad, nothing is wrong with what the guy is doing
@morphedtv19704 жыл бұрын
Religion is the root of all evil. Ban the lot so we can move forward as a society.
@sithlordofoz4 жыл бұрын
Imagine a country where you get sacked for having a belief that some people don’t agree with. Guess what? You already do. It’s called Australia 2020.
@ReccquiemBST4 жыл бұрын
Ok, I guess I'm against this. Where do I sign?
@ReccquiemBST4 жыл бұрын
However, I'm against religious discrimination, not religious freedom. Everyone should have a choice on faith or not. No one should be forced to be christian or atheist. It's not fair to push another's beliefs on another person because they don't follow the same doctrine as someone else. That is unethical and unfair. I quote myself: Some people need faith and some people don't.
@AdamReakesHerdMentality4 жыл бұрын
Head to dontdivideus dot com dot au
@Inquisit0r474 жыл бұрын
This is the dumbest add I've seen in a long time
@sylvierose1604 жыл бұрын
Lot of complete nonsense , I have to agree with the Christian way of thinking here. If you don’t want to serve it - get a different career, you know what you’re getting into when you start after all.
@b-frog93874 жыл бұрын
Bruh it's his business Lmao just go to another pharmacist if the dude doesn't want to support your abortion shiz why force him?
@andychrist29224 жыл бұрын
Going to rewatch "Drug store cowboy " just in case....
@GG-mf3rz4 жыл бұрын
What a load of non sense since when would a pharmacist or doctor or any professional deny any treatment or medication it’s their job for goodness sake they wouldn’t be in that profession in the first place if they had a religious objection to the treatments they provide. Go F yourselves atheist foundation btw I think religion is also nonsense but I don’t judge people for their beliefs.
@theLEGOguy224 жыл бұрын
Religion. The root of all evil.
@ajilano77534 жыл бұрын
Pewds: We’re evolving, just backwards
@Nianfur4 жыл бұрын
Typical lefty alarmist crap.
@asa4kk1544 жыл бұрын
I agree that discrimination cannot occur when it comes to selling set products, but businesses shouldn't have to sell products that have yet to be tailor-made in my opinion.
@SamMarsh044 жыл бұрын
Religion doesn’t bring people together, it pulls people apart...
Пікірлер
There are lots of people who will kill your baby for you. Everyone has the right to refuse without being fired. This also applies to elective surgery. A surgeon can deny you treatment if they feel like it would be a detriment to you or goes against their morals. I.e. breast implants that weigh 20lbs/ea.
Did the bill pass or fail?
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They can keep their toys, but cannot tell me I have to play with their toys, or believe in their toys, their toys do not dictate how I live or die, their toys should not decide public policy, their toys should not be allowed near children, they have proven that is a mistake, they should not get government money and should pay full tax on their toys
Belief in the supernatural is not rational. Why should you be able to mess up my life because you are irrational? Take your delusions and move on. The irony is this government being one of the least ethical in living memory.
@Maggie Smith Typical bully. You think because I don't want you to ruin MY life because of YOUR delusions it's doing you harm. There's nothing that says I have to like people who want to ruin my life (or someone else's).
@Maggie Smith This whole thing is about spite because you lost the marriage equality vote.
Don't divide us?! What about the vax mandates? They are literally divisions built into law supported by you guys. The level of hypocrisy is... astounding!
Wait isn't this freedom? Choose who you want to serve?
You shouldn’t be free to discriminate
“History, I believe, furnishes no example of a priest-ridden people maintaining a free civil government. This marks the lowest grade of ignorance of which their civil as well as religious leaders will always avail themselves for their own purposes.” -Thomas Jefferson: in letter to Alexander von Humboldt, December 6, 1813
If you don't believe in thor, I'll show you the door.
Is the world falling apart or in to place? Depends on who you serve. Who is your master? I ask you to rethink what you know about God. Rethink what you've been taught. God wants a relationship, not a religion. - Jesus came for all mankind ... not select groups - Jesus came to bring salvation ... not condemnation. - Jesus came to be an example .. not an imaginary construct If you are reading this Post Rapture: Rev 14:6 - And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people, Rev 14:7 - Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to Him; for the hour of His judgment is come: and worship Him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters. Pre Rapture: Mark 16:15 - And He said to them, “Go into all the world and preach the gospel to every creature. - You've broken 1 of the 10 commandments and are guilty of sin if you've ever lied, or stolen, or lusted. Works of righteousness will not save you. Jesus Christ is the only way. Romans 6:23 - For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord. Romans 10:9 - That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. 1. Humble yourself before the Lord 2. Admit to the breaking of His laws as found in the 10 commandments 3. Ask for His forgiveness for those sins 4. By faith, believe Jesus died on the cross for your sins 5. Confess with your mouth that Jesus is your Lord and Savior 6. By faith, believe Jesus rose from the dead 7. Receive the gift of salvation and the Holy Spirit will fill you
Yeah believe in thor, or duck off. The power is yours.
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enable comments on Sam Harris - Death and the Present Moment why have they been disabled?
Typical atheist propaganda about religious people 🙄.
Don't you have some groveling to do to your imaginary friend? Begone, scumbag.
@@siim605 *"Begone scumbag"?* What's that? Some kind of mix of backwater Australian slang mixed with lord of the rings?
Except its true
@@pulsegamin4790 What's true?
@@robertmcmillan3638 That this bill was attempted to be passed.
Haha what a pathetic add this looks like now in the light of the serious issues we are facing. Hopefully when coronavirus blows over we dont have to go back to listening to this garbage
What? A person doesn't want to serve me or provide a service that they find to be immoral? How dare they right? Maybe we should threaten them with jail time until they decide to do what we want them to do. To hell with their freedom! Let's coerce them into providing that service that they find to be immoral! Any rational, reasonable fellow would do the same thing right? After all chemists are well known for being religious, in fact all of them are, ALL chemists refuse to provide certain services so we need to make them provide these services! We can't just go to another chemist, that's too much effort!
Right, so if someone walks off the street into a bakery that advertises wedding cakes and wishes to purchase such a cake that's immoral (depending on what's written on the cake) but the baker discriminating against a customer is moral. And if someone walks off the street into a pharmacy that advertises itself as fulfilling prescription and wishes to have a prescription issued by a doctor, fulfilled, that's immoral (depending on what drug is being prescribed) but the pharmacist thinking he/she can trump the decision of a consulting doctor and thus discriminating against a customer, is moral. You see, this is why the ardent Christian is today both mentally and morally derailed.
@@gladishilton1943 There's nothing immoral about wanting to buy medicine or request the baking of cakes. I don't recall ever saying that so please tell me where you get that idea from. However a person refusing service when service isn't owed is a legitimate stance. After all the enforced baking of a cake is in fact involuntary servitude as is making someone sell a drug they don't want to sell. My issue is that forcing someone to use their labour in a way that actively opposes their moral values is a violation of that person. I didn't think that to be a value isolated to ardent christian values and it certainly doesn't imply mental derailment.
@@catholicphoenix7969 I wasn't trying to put words in your mouth, I was just describing the situation from the perspective of a 3rd party neither associated with the BAKER nor the Customer to highlights that reluctance to serve on religious grounds invokes DISCRIMINATION of a customer because the party on the other side of the counter is not asking the BAKER to do anything else apart from what he/she has voluntarily gone into business to do and which they attracted the customer to them on the basis of their advertisement as a BAKERY THAT BAKES CAKES. Furthermore, I wasn't trying to put words in your mouth, I was just describing the situation from the perspective of a 3rd party neither associated with the PHARMACIST nor the Customer to highlights that the reluctance to serve on religious grounds invokes DISCRIMINATION of a customer because the party on the other side of the counter is not asking the PHARMACIST to do anything else apart from what he/she has voluntarily gone into business to do and which they attracted the customer to them on the basis of their advertisement as a PHARMACY FULFILLING PRESCRIPTIONS...though in this case the pharmacist may also be answerable to a charge of MALPRACTICE. Service is in fact due by the BAKER and the PHARMACIST through how they represent themselves as BAKERS and PHARMACISTS. But I have an easy fix. Perhaps we should mandate that prominent signage like the health warnings found on a packet of cigarettes be displayed by any businesses that wishes to impose their religious ideologies on how they deal with customers. This way there are no false representations being made and no unrealistic expectations harbored by the community. BAKERY - Not serving HOMOSEXUALS or members of the LGTBI community. PHARMACIST - Dispensing only drugs and medical products in accordance with Christian values and teachings. Sound reasonable?
@@gladishilton1943 I agree the fix in your last paragraph maybe not the first two but I want to be positive here. What you suggest is a further than just reasonable, I'd say that it's great compromise and is fair on all sides whilst requiring no violations towards anyone. Companies should be honest and open with their customers. If a business does not want to provide a service to specific persons or refuse to provide a specific service then they should be transparent about that if their representation does not imply said exclusion. I'm glad that we could find common ground.
@@catholicphoenix7969 Well, perhaps not so fast, Catholic Phoenix. How would you respond if the Pharmacy Board of Australian now stipulated (if it doesn't already) that a Pharmacist cannot compromise the practice of his particular branch of medicine by conflating his professional training and duties with considerations that are not part of the recognized Science of medicine?
This is a complete outrage! That bill must be stopped.
www.thesaturdaypaper.com.au/news/health/2020/02/29/doctors-crippled-religious-backlash/15828948009443
Pharmacy is a profession established by scientific knowledge. It is a branch of medicine and as such, a pharmacist is employed to practice this branch of medicine soundly. Since no branch or element of Medicine hinges on religious belief, a pharmacist when acting in the capacity of a pharmacist has no right to compromise his practice with extraneous thoughts such as religious views or convictions. The moment a pharmacist allows this to happen he/she becomes a danger to the client/patient and should necessarily be barred from practice. It's pretty black and white. We can also view this debate in terms of rights and freedoms and arrive at the same conclusion: One might argue that the pharmacist is an individual and an individual should always have the right to choose whether to do, or not do something. Well that is not entirely true. If the individual exercise such rights whilst acting in the capacity of a pharmacist then his/her actions may be detrimental to the person that came to them based on the representation they made of being a pharmacist. Both the Law and commonsense must place restrictions on such choices and actions which have real life consequences. To choose to withhold pharmaceutical services for any reason other than for sound medical or pharmaceutical reasons - in other words, not practicing sound pharmacy - potentially harms the individual who sought pharmaceutical services in two ways - as a civil matter the pharmacist is potentially guilty of misrepresentation and discrimination. - both prohibited by law. But perhaps more importantly, the pharmacist may potentially cause medical harm to the individual - yes you can inflict harm by inaction. Therefore, if an individual wishes to retain the right to enact his/her religious beliefs at any and all times without the potential of harming others, that individual should choose a different occupation - one which permits or tolerates you acting like a fool - perhaps they should get a job as a church chorister.
Which is how it should be. The Bill allows pharmacists to refuse the sale of, say, the pill or the morning after pill, because of religious dogma. www.ag.gov.au/Consultations/Pages/religious-freedom-bills-second-exposure-drafts.aspx
@Mel J Ha, Ha. Prove it! Bet you can't.
@Mel J Ha, Ha. LOL is right. Creation wasn't God. It was my friend, Gary...or at least that's what he claims. Now, I can show you my friend Gary and he'll explain to you exactly how he did it. Can you show us your friend God so that we can....What's that?! No you can't?! Oh dear, I wonder who's making shit up now. LOL. Religion has turned you into an intellectual vegetable, Mel J.
@Mel J You've already forgotten, it's not God's plan...it's Gary's. Remember, God is only your imaginary friend, mine is real - I can prove it. Stop being an ostrich. Get you head out of that book - it's not what you think it is.
@Mel J You're already suffering for you choices, Mel J. With every passing comment you talk more and more bullshit. Your religion has turned you into an imbecile. Gary says, Hi!
Regardless of religion or not, #1 rule of retail - the customer is always right.
It's also possible to just go to a different chemist...
Boo hoo. You have to find anothet pharmacy. People have the right to refuse service for any reason. All forms of forced labour are a form of slavery
Oh shit I didn't know that, works for me I'm going to go to work and sit on my arse for my full shift and not do my job. I mean I have the right to refuse to do my job for any reason so cool!
(also just quietly cos this is a bit embarrassing for you but not everyone lives in a city. See in Australia it's actually pretty big and full of rural small towns. It's OK just try to have a bit of a think next time, and while you're going maybe have a quick look what an "example" is, that's what that's called and how you spell it :) )
@@janemh5866 Most doctors are sole traders with their own ABNs. Also a pharmacy itself should be allowed to determine whether they want to sell certain products or not
@@janemh5866 How exactly is your point contradicting anything I'm saying?
@@Jamcad01 I'm not contradicting it I'm ridiculing it. Obviously? Or not 😂 And do you think pharmacists are drs?? Yes the business should be able to decide not the individual employee working against what their employer wants the business to be but not beint abke to be fired for not fulfilling the requirements of the job
This bill will also work in reverse. You'll be able to discriminate against people of religion
Watch your back!
@@punctatus100 Not a very Christian response 🤔
@@markhewitt3623 For too long religions have enjoyed undeserved privileges and tax relief. This Bill if passed,will provide them with even more power. Where will it end? Unbelievers, be afraid, be very afraid.
@@punctatus100 totally agree but as humans become more educated religion will loose it's relevance and fade away...
@@punctatus100 Lol atheism is on the rise in australia..The religious are going to be crying to remove this bill in the future.
No private enterprise or privately employed person can be legally compelled to provide specific goods or services. Doctors do take an oath ... but given that most doctors already refuse to perform certain procedures on quasi-moral grounds (circumcision), that oath is apparently flexible. If we don't protect the right of businesses to conduct their business as they see fit, we are lost. And having seen plenty of footage of people wearing MAGA hats being refused service, I think we can safely assume that Progressives are just as determined to retain that right.
Circumcision is an entirely unnecessary medical procedure. It is interference with a young body, requested typically on religious grounds, not genuine medical need. Given that any medical procedure comes with an associated risk, it seems like sound medical practice to avoid such unnecessary medical interventions. Even if a doctor was to refuse on the grounds of personal views there is no issue because his actions continue to conform with sound medical practice.
An atheist bigotry propaganda advertisement against Christianity.
F, playing the victim much?
Some Christian seem to be unhappy that the privileged position their beliefs enjoyed in the past, are now being severely eroded. Oh well, that's what eventually happens when you keep asserting views you claim are based on revealed truth but it's not really the case. Soon or later people work out your views are founded on BS. Perhaps you should stop with the pretentious outrage & tantrums, grow up and join the 21st century.
@@gladishilton1943 LOL ... " privileged" ... leftists love that word. The truth is never " eroded" ... your wonderful secular society will be devoured by satanic islam in the future .... be aware of that. Leftism is the destroyer of boundaries ( especially Gods boundaries ) Which hold the fabric of society together...As western society decays from within , islam will eventually be your new ruler ( which is to happening in western Europe as we speak ) Enjoy your freedom while it lasts. Just think about the Roman Empire.. it's no different.
@@patriot8554 said "The truth is never eroded". I can agree with that. It's why all religions which profess to know the truth but are expose over time for not really doing so, are on the decline. I can also agree that Christianity is suffering the most decline because it is considerably more enlightened than hard-line authoritarian and dictatorial Islam. And as Christianity declines, Islam may enjoy an increase in "market share" so to speak, however I think this would be a transient phenomenon. As science advances and educates the masses with it's discoveries, its ideas will inevitably spread and take root even within the strong holds of the most fanatical religious communities - as long as people with skeptical and questioning minds exist within though groups. Eventually humanity's understanding and intellect will outgrow such irrational thoughts and religions will be relegated to the pages of history. This is my prediction. And if it comes true no one will refer to me as a prophet
@@gladishilton1943 So you believe nothing can create something?
Some of the fuckin' essays in this comment section could be a good couple dozen lines shorter and still convey the same amount of information...
They denied Christ so technically they started it, I say deny them all based on their beliefs. It’s only fair it goes both ways.
Everyone saying religion is destructive is shallow minded and would not understand why it is not
Wow, helping sluts kill babies, now that's a movement I can really get behind! Looking forward to hearing you all freak out lol!
Peter Dennis, Let’s say a ten year old was gang raped by a group of men, or a parent/trusted figure in their life. Would you still be saying this? Abortion isn’t something people want. You’ve never lost a child so you’ll have no idea how horrible the process of it is. Regardless, the Plan B pill doesn’t “kill” a baby, it acts as an emergency contraceptive usually in the case of a condom breaking or other reasons, assault. To say otherwise you would be clearly an ignorant, stupid person.
@ @Somebody Once Which God are you referring to? The victim complex belongs to the self righteous expecting all of their demands to be met without objection or rejections based on personal beliefs thereby respecting and not impinging on that individual's ability to exercise that belief or moral standard they abide by.
What an honest load of shit.
That’s literally the opposite of what the bill would do. The bill would say that secular services like pharmacists can’t discriminate based off of religion
Did you read the bill? It allows people to deny services to others due to religious reasons when its an excuse to be a bigot
You haven’t read the bill, or any of the articles about it.
What a worthlessly ambiguous video. Piss off.
Then allow us to be more specific. dontdivideus dot com dot au - you'll find this as an example there.
That is so fake why would they deny you of your prescription Shut up
Because some Religions are against meds and they could take advantage of this bill. Shut up
Under the proposed bill religious organisations and individuals can deny products and services to customers. Read it.
Many Christians believe that you shouldn’t be allowed to use contraception or birth preventatives, even in the case of it being forced.
"Athiest Foundation" "Foundation" Anyone see the irony here? I thought athiests despised groupthink yet they love to congregate with others of the same ideology like the people they despise.
An atheist is a person who doesn’t believe in god, not someone who is against group thinking
@@41PH4B3TS0UP Again you project. The only bias here is you, trying to silence someone who isn't blind to the hypocrisy. The fact that you got offended by a factual statement shows you have a persecution complex, which is of course why you group yourself with others.
Absolutely based, wxman BTFO by an absolute Chad, nothing is wrong with what the guy is doing
Religion is the root of all evil. Ban the lot so we can move forward as a society.
Imagine a country where you get sacked for having a belief that some people don’t agree with. Guess what? You already do. It’s called Australia 2020.
Ok, I guess I'm against this. Where do I sign?
However, I'm against religious discrimination, not religious freedom. Everyone should have a choice on faith or not. No one should be forced to be christian or atheist. It's not fair to push another's beliefs on another person because they don't follow the same doctrine as someone else. That is unethical and unfair. I quote myself: Some people need faith and some people don't.
Head to dontdivideus dot com dot au
This is the dumbest add I've seen in a long time
Lot of complete nonsense , I have to agree with the Christian way of thinking here. If you don’t want to serve it - get a different career, you know what you’re getting into when you start after all.
Bruh it's his business Lmao just go to another pharmacist if the dude doesn't want to support your abortion shiz why force him?
Going to rewatch "Drug store cowboy " just in case....
What a load of non sense since when would a pharmacist or doctor or any professional deny any treatment or medication it’s their job for goodness sake they wouldn’t be in that profession in the first place if they had a religious objection to the treatments they provide. Go F yourselves atheist foundation btw I think religion is also nonsense but I don’t judge people for their beliefs.
Religion. The root of all evil.
Pewds: We’re evolving, just backwards
Typical lefty alarmist crap.
I agree that discrimination cannot occur when it comes to selling set products, but businesses shouldn't have to sell products that have yet to be tailor-made in my opinion.
Religion doesn’t bring people together, it pulls people apart...