That ZCO looks amazing! Crystal clear. Nightforce poor eye relief and the ca around the edges is horrible
@andrewroberson7244 күн бұрын
It's interesting because it's not as bad in real life. I've actually gone from ZCO and Tangent since and got a Razor Gen 3 and kept the NF for now. I may sell the ATACR. It may be good to give some observations on which does better over the course of a 1 and 2 day match. Thanks for watching
@ericpenman93244 күн бұрын
Oh I’ve seen it in real life! Lmao 😂but that’s my eye. What works for others doesn’t necessarily work for you. Nightforce is over rated
@texas22jack899 күн бұрын
Ghose vortex turrets are one of the best ive handled
@YERAFirearmsАй бұрын
Nice to see you back, Rob. Please post a link to the range/club
They don't have a site but there is a Facebook link for you, thanks for watching!
@texas22jack89Ай бұрын
Haha fun times! I'm still bitter...
@andrewroberson724Ай бұрын
Ya got robbed!
@kpperry7844 ай бұрын
Here’s how I see it as an owner of the NF ATACR 7-35 Tremor 3. Lamborghini, Ferrari, McLaren. You’re a fortunate to be able to own and use any of them…and at this level it’s more about the ability of the end user rather than the marginal differences between NightForce, Zero Compromise, and Tangent Theta top options.
@andrewroberson7244 ай бұрын
You're absolutely right. Appreciate your comment!
@EdAb4 ай бұрын
The chromatic aberrations (particularly the purple fringing at mid-range) are much worse in the ATACR than the other two. Thank you for sharing this. That fringing alone would prevent me from buying the ATACR. Cheers
@andrewroberson7244 ай бұрын
I can understand your thoughts by the video. I hate CA. However, it doesn't show in real life use to me, so I ended up keeping the NF and TT rather than the ZCO. I think I would have been happy with any of these to be quite frank. Thanks for watching!
@fortyfive46324 ай бұрын
Awesome video! Go Vols!
@andrewroberson7244 ай бұрын
Go Vols!
@miguelcontreras93495 ай бұрын
Thanks for the video! You should do a comparison video with them all at 25x to get a better comparison and at a longer range!
@andrewroberson7245 ай бұрын
I wish I could but I sold the ZCO. I can definitely do it with the NF and TT. Thanks for watching!
@captnd81075 ай бұрын
A 2 MOA target is .6 mil from side to side, not from the center. Therefore, a .5 mil hold will take you .2 mil off the target edge
@YERAFirearms5 ай бұрын
Excellent video. Thanks for sharing
@andrewroberson7245 ай бұрын
Thank you, and I appreciate you watching!
@benstapleton59485 ай бұрын
Hey Rob, thanks for the response on the last video, I figured I would put my follow up comment on this video. So I have been running a NF ATACR in PRS22 for a couple of years now, recently had to have the windage erector set replaced under warranty bc it would not hold zero. However, I also purchased one of the newer ZCO 840s recently to possibly switch my rimfire setup over to. For me, it’s no comparison in glass. The ZCO is considerably superior to the NF especially the higher you go up in magnification. The 840 parallaxes down below 10 yards and the edge to edge clarity is far better than my NF. I prefer the MPCT3X reticle but I know some don’t care for the circles, for me it is very intuitive and quick to find my place for holds. I have not owned a Tangent yet but I have fondled several of them and they are remarkable too, but I think I still prefer the ZCO, maybe it is the tone of the image in the ZCO my eye likes more and definitely the ZCO reticles. I think you made a great point that once you step up to the higher end of optics, I have found that the number one most important factor to choose an optic by is what reticle do you personally like and find attractive and easy to see and use. That’s possibly why you are so fond of the NF I would think. That’s also why I chose ZCO over Tangent, I’m not a huge fan of Tangents reticles, they seem too fine for me and I would often lose the reticle in the background and waste time trying to find my correct hold again. Great videos and content. Thanks for sharing. Congrats on the MBA.
@andrewroberson7245 ай бұрын
Hey Ben, thanks for the comment, I had made this a while back and didn't like it, so in a way this video was for you after your question. Long story short, I had an issue with thr ZCO turret and while the image looked better on the ZCO initially, I think my eye was more comfortable by end of the match. I've won PRS22 matches with the NF 7-35 so maybe it's a placebo effect. All that said, it's great having the options available! Thanks again for watching!
@DS-gd1xw5 ай бұрын
I have 3 NF's & 2 ZCO'S. I prefer ZCO in any condition.
@andrewroberson7245 ай бұрын
Totally understand that. They're great scopes. Thanks for watching!
@Plamia25 ай бұрын
Thank you! I took three screenshots of each at maximum magnification. And as for me, TT engineers didn’t eat their bread in vain))).
@andrewroberson7245 ай бұрын
The Tangent Theta was engineered extremely well. Thank you for watching!
@johnsimonelli99885 ай бұрын
They all look good to me!!
@andrewroberson7245 ай бұрын
Me too, I ended up sticking with the Nightforce and the Tangent Theta. Hope you're doing well!
@johnsimonelli99885 ай бұрын
My family and I are doing well, Hope you and your family are well. I have to get off my back side and drop a video!! it's been to long. @@andrewroberson724
@benstapleton59485 ай бұрын
Hey Andrew, can I ask what made you decide to go back to the ATACR from the ZCO? And did you do the same on the centerfire rifle or are you still running the Tangent?
@andrewroberson7245 ай бұрын
Hi Ben! I was doing an MBA in 2023 and finally wrapped that up. Buy I'm going to do a video on why. I'm way overdue on that subject. However, the ZCO and NF had nearly the same resolution to my eye. That's personal preference. I like the NF parallax and turrets better and the reticle just worked better for me more importantly. I have a level of confidence with the nightforce that's hard to explain and I need to figure out why that is. I do have the Tangent Theta on my centerline still. Anyhow. I think you just gave me the idea for the next video I need to do, so I appreciate that and hope to answer more in depth for anyone wondering soon. Thanks for watching!
@pocketbike6986 ай бұрын
These actions are the 2 I'm currently going through the same struggle with. I just picked up a Lone Peak Fuzion and a Vudoo 360, so I'm considering going to the Zeus to keep the bolt throws the same for practice purposes. Thank you for the video!
@andrewroberson7246 ай бұрын
Thanks for watching and glad you enjoyed it!
@joeygreen785411 ай бұрын
This video is one reason why I’ll be purchasing a Terminus action. It’s great to see an action company that takes care of its customers and will respond quickly… it’s nice if they just answer a phone once in a while or at all. Now we just need Joel and his company in Texas!!
@andrewroberson72411 ай бұрын
Thanks for watching and I completely agree. If he was here we'd be sitting pretty good!
@steve13200111 ай бұрын
What's that on the front of your scope?
@andrewroberson72411 ай бұрын
Hi Steve, it's a cover for the indoor dry firing kit I bought from IDTS. It allows you to focus at about 12 or 15 feet on the "range" which is like a projector screen with targets and you dryfire practice. Good catch by the way!
@steve13200111 ай бұрын
@@andrewroberson724 Thanks!
@rooftopvoter3015 Жыл бұрын
AMP since 2018
@andrewroberson724 Жыл бұрын
They're the best
@Ben-kt1rb Жыл бұрын
whats that tape you put on the scope bell? thx
@andrewroberson724 Жыл бұрын
The black wrap is a black medical tape to protect the bell against barricade rash. Is that what you were talking about?
@Ben-kt1rb Жыл бұрын
@@andrewroberson724 cool. thx. i was going to use grip tape for weightlifting. i have a scope chap but it keeps sliding around. might put it on top of the tape
@andrewroberson724 Жыл бұрын
@Ben I had a friend who did the medical tape then a scope chap and it worked well. Hope that helps you out and thanks for watching!
@bikeracerdude Жыл бұрын
Did you verbalize the answer in the video, of the question in your video title, & at what time stamp?
@andrewroberson724 Жыл бұрын
I don't remember where but I got a shift of about .4 mils after removing the barrel
@bikeracerdude Жыл бұрын
@@andrewroberson724 Point four Mils, got it. Thanks!
@andrewroberson724 Жыл бұрын
@@bikeracerdude sure thing!
@joeygreen7854 Жыл бұрын
It’s nice to see a humble individual blessed and share his experience. Rock on brother and much success in the future.
@andrewroberson724 Жыл бұрын
Thank you very much for watching and the encouraging comments, all the best to you as well!
@williamarends7138 Жыл бұрын
whats your twist ?
@andrewroberson724 Жыл бұрын
It's a 1:7.5 twist Krieger barrel. Thanks for watching!
@heron123100 Жыл бұрын
So you said that a 2 MOA wide target is 0.6 in wide ? Where did you get that info ?
@andrewroberson724 Жыл бұрын
.3437 is a tenth of a mil time 6 tenths is 2.1 moa. Hope that helps, and thanks for watching!
@1clnsdime1 Жыл бұрын
So are u saying don't mess with dof. Just decided the angle of the wind from the dof and use that and not mess with direction of fire at all?
@andrewroberson724 Жыл бұрын
Hi Andrew I came back to this and realize I didn't send my answer. I set it to 000° DoF and enter the wind speed at the x o' clock value and it solves better than when I used dof. I'm sure it's my inputs or something but I'm hitting g targets this way. Hope that helps!
@1clnsdime1 Жыл бұрын
@ARob's Precision Rifle VLOG that makes sense. Does that seem to be the most common way people are using it at competitions? Just wondering bc I'm about to shoot my first one for the year in 2 weeks and this will be my first year using a AB kestrel.
@andrewroberson724 Жыл бұрын
@andrew geary so I have seen both. The guy in the video has won several matches and doesn't as well. I haven't been shooting much this year because of school, but have had good match success doing it this way as well.
@1clnsdime1 Жыл бұрын
@@andrewroberson724 Thanks for your help.
@andrewroberson724 Жыл бұрын
@@1clnsdime1 sure thing, good luck at the match!
@jennifermorgan6913 Жыл бұрын
thanks for this👍
@andrewroberson724 Жыл бұрын
Thank you for watching, hope it helps!
@newerest1 Жыл бұрын
I went with this as my first annealer. Your video helped a lot..this thing rocks. Thank you
@andrewroberson724 Жыл бұрын
I am really glad the video helped, thank you for watching and for the positive feedback. The AMP makes annealing such a relaxing activity for me now. Glad you're enjoying yours too!
@prone_wolf8871 Жыл бұрын
Nice stick.. when choosing a chassis I narrowed It down to the matrix. And jp enterprises apac chassis. I wanted a chassis that folded but was still solid. Went with the jp enterprises. But the matrix is always calling to me lol. The funny thing is how you went from foundation...to the metal chassis........ I'm thinking of picking up a foundation cause I shoot in alaska in the winter lol....so the chassis gets cold as f......lol Hoping the foundation was nicer to my face 🤣 Super solid folding chassis setup.
@andrewroberson724 Жыл бұрын
I love the foundation too, I just wanted the adjustability of the chassis. Matt Caruso let me try his rifle and he had a matrix chassis and I was sold right there.
@prone_wolf8871 Жыл бұрын
@@andrewroberson724 honestly I'm hoping some new chassis hit the market. Been kinda stagnate in that area for a few years... but I'm not the normal prs shooter. Basically I wanted to build a one mile plus gun that could fit into a 30 inch hard case. The only way I could so it was with a terminus action since I can pull the barrel and needed a rock solid folding chassis.... Only krg whiskey and jp enterprises apac had the most solid folding stock..all my jp parts for my gas guns are quality. So I went with them... but I won't lie.....the krg whiskey and matrix are sexy sexy stocks lol
@andrewroberson724 Жыл бұрын
@@prone_wolf8871 I think the new krg c4 is really cool personally
@prone_wolf8871 Жыл бұрын
@@andrewroberson724 I'll check it out haven't seen it yet....but krg whiskey was supposedly one of the most solid folding stock. But I never put hands on it....the jp is solid and if you want you can run a screw to make it essentially fixed stock.. But I needed it to fold and be under 30 inches folded
@andrewroberson724 Жыл бұрын
@@prone_wolf8871 I get it. I did handle a jp once now that I think of it. I cleaned the stage also...so yeah they're good. It was a prematch stage with a 22
@pjhhermans Жыл бұрын
Awesome setup 👍👍
@andrewroberson724 Жыл бұрын
Thank you, and thanks for watching!
@Grumpy111Bastard Жыл бұрын
Does the red tape on the scope improve balance and stability? kidding keep up the good videos.
@andrewroberson724 Жыл бұрын
Haha appreciate it!
@Boon20 Жыл бұрын
That was very helpfull im looking to get one of these for my next optic im leaning towards the TT
@andrewroberson724 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching and I'm glad it's helpful. The TT is the best scope I have ever owned. I have that, a ZCO, and a NF 7-35 and it is just a great optic. I've dropped it on concrete before a match and it was off a little but I rezeroed and it was good to go. I need to compare with the NF. I think my preference is in this order. Tangent Theta 5-25 Nightforce 7-35 ZCO 5-27
@prone_wolf8871 Жыл бұрын
@@andrewroberson724 can I hear why you like the nightforce atacr over the zco? I'm asking cause I have the 7x35...but I'm looking into the zco 8x40
@andrewroberson724 Жыл бұрын
@Prone_ Wolf hi prone wolf, I think the ergonomics of the scope suit me better and I think the nightforce reticle is a little better for me. It's definitely a personal taste thing. If you get a zco I don't think you'll be disappointed at all, but I think the nf just handles better because the turrets don't lock. It's an unpopular opinion so let me be up front about that, but I paid for all three and it's how I like them in that order. Some people swear the zco glass is night and day better but my samples are pretty similar. Hope that helps!
@prone_wolf8871 Жыл бұрын
@@andrewroberson724 I honestly appreciate your feedback... I looked through a new kahles scope and I didn't see anything that made me want to get it over my nightforce atacr. But I've never had the opportunity to look through zco or tangent.....I will say until tangent comes out with a new scope they are out of my price range 😆. The zco is crazy expensive but I shoot in dark conditions and I love what I do 😆. So if It was a big difference to go from the nightforce to the zco I might take the plunge 😆
@andrewroberson724 Жыл бұрын
@Prone_ Wolf yeah and that's the thing, I believe the same guy worked with all three of those scope companies, zco, nf, kahles, so there are similarities on all of them. I also agree Tangent is super expensive but I got a great deal on this one so I couldn't pass it up.
@sinkosinkovski3679 Жыл бұрын
Will this fit in a MDT ESS with tikka footprint?
@andrewroberson724 Жыл бұрын
Hi, and thank you for watching. Unfortunately it won't because the recoil lugs are different and the action screw spacing is too.
@sinkosinkovski3679 Жыл бұрын
@@andrewroberson724 Thanks for fast reply! Ok good to know. How do i know what chassi/stock to fit in a zues action? I only see tikkas/remington and clones etc etc.
@andrewroberson724 Жыл бұрын
@Sinko Sinkovski great question! The Zeus is a Remington 700 clone footprint, you would select that and either long or short action depending on which Zeus model you have. Let me know if you have any other questions about it.
@timdixon4883 Жыл бұрын
Ive ordered a left hand Terminus Zeus. Looking foward to getting it. for a 6mm build.
@andrewroberson724 Жыл бұрын
That's awesome man. Have you decided on which 6mm yet?
@timdixon4883 Жыл бұрын
@@andrewroberson724 hey I am looking 6mm creedmore, 6br or 6mm xc. We are limited in reamers wear I live. What are your thoughts?
@andrewroberson724 Жыл бұрын
@Tim Dixon I'd get whichever caliber you can reload for, but let's say you can get components for any of the 3. I'd go with the 6mm br. It's very easy and performs well with nearly any reasonable load. Hope this helps you and thank you for watching!
@KevinWood44 Жыл бұрын
Does Zco make non locking turrets? I honestly have never felt a need for locking turrets. ALL THINGS considered, I think Zco is the better scope bc the fit and finish is just sexyyyy!!! It is hands down the single nicest looking optic on the market....and to perform THAT close to TT while looking that good, if I had the choice I'd go with the Zco. The ONE downside to me with Zco is the reticle. I find a few of them to be overly busy. March 5-40 has a gorgeous reticle, Athlon Cronus has a nice clean reticle, Zeiss S3 as well. If I got the Zco I would get the 1st reticle without the Xmas tree, just not a fan.
@andrewroberson724 Жыл бұрын
You can order no locking elevation but not sure about windage. Honestly I hate locking turrets too. It is a good looking scope and I have the one with no Xmas tree because it's better imo. Thanks for watching
@The4GunGuy Жыл бұрын
Nice video ARob! I'm an MDT guy, but I have to say that the MPA chassis and ALL the little gadgets that you can attach to them really are nice...And I really like the overall look of your build...Well done!
@andrewroberson724 Жыл бұрын
Thanks Tony! They're really my favorite stock/chassis by far now. I appreciate you watching as always my friend!
@chris1110 Жыл бұрын
Beautiful build, I have the Accuracy International AX cause I needed tool less adjustment on the stock me and my wife enjoy practicing.
@andrewroberson724 Жыл бұрын
Thank you for the comment. I like the AI stuff too. It's really nice!
@lukemcmordie5953 Жыл бұрын
I love the terminus kratos on my hunting rifle so much that I immediately ordered a zeus.
@andrewroberson724 Жыл бұрын
Can't go wrong with a zeus...they're the best in my opinion. The Terminus brand is excellent
@mikebarney339 Жыл бұрын
What is that stock?
@andrewroberson724 Жыл бұрын
Foundation on the terminus and grayboe in the vudoo
@mikebarney339 Жыл бұрын
@@andrewroberson724 That foundation looks awesom.
@andrewroberson724 Жыл бұрын
@@mikebarney339 they make a really awesome stock!
@lamarvinfomby9360 Жыл бұрын
Nice hoodie, I have one just like it...
@andrewroberson724 Жыл бұрын
It's definitely a favorite of mine...hope to see you there soon
@p47rr Жыл бұрын
The best feeding 6mm is the 243 Winchester. Make sure to get the right twist rate so you can use heavy bullets. Feeding isn’t as much as a issue with bolt actions. But with a auto loader it is.
@andrewroberson724 Жыл бұрын
I had a .243 and I have to agree.
@p47rr Жыл бұрын
Congratulations on the new house. And the new rifle. Subscribed today.
@andrewroberson724 Жыл бұрын
Thank you, really appreciate it and thanks for watching!
@ronniebaker3036 Жыл бұрын
If you run across a killer deal on a nice scope let me know
@andrewroberson724 Жыл бұрын
Will do!
@ronniebaker3036 Жыл бұрын
How do you like that foundation stock
@andrewroberson724 Жыл бұрын
I like it a lot, and I have it on a back up, but I've recently switched to MPA after trying their matrix pro. The primary reason is that I get a perfect grip and trigger press every time due to their grip system. I found I wasn't as consistent with the foundation. So it's nit picking a little but the other works slightly better for me. I wouldn't hesitate to buy either.
@ronniebaker3036 Жыл бұрын
@@andrewroberson724 I'd like to have a foundation stock but just don't have the funds maybe one day thanks
@andrewroberson724 Жыл бұрын
@@ronniebaker3036 what kind of action do you have?
@ronniebaker3036 Жыл бұрын
@@andrewroberson724 I a defiance and a zermatt orgin action
@storkyring Жыл бұрын
The ZCO rings are made by American precision arms. There tru loc rings.
@andrewroberson724 Жыл бұрын
You're right. Thanks and I'll see if I can do an update video on all my errors. It's important that I correct things like that. One interesting thing I saw is that ZCO now have their rings made in Austria. I'd not seen the new ones before your comment.
@IDGAF56852 Жыл бұрын
very nice. My 300 WSM is a custom build for ELD,ive abandoned all polymer and laminated wood stocks in favour for one peice 6160 Aluminium chassis. A noticeable difference overall.
@andrewroberson724 Жыл бұрын
I've since switched to a chassis as well. The stock is very nice but the chassis fit my body better. Thanks for watching!
@dragonflyfab9703 Жыл бұрын
Good video for the YT algorithm.
@Seanconnery1st Жыл бұрын
It looks like the MPA is also substantially heavier than some competitors. MDT has some hollowed out sections it looks like, and then promotes sale of their weight system. Granted, you can shift weight more I’m sure. Cool coverage! -Isaac
@andrewroberson724 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching and commenting! I wanted to look at the acc pro but honestly, I tried the mpa and it just fit me really well so I bought the only one I could find. I also like the weight system for the mpa. You dint have to remove the action. It balances really well and the adjustable mag latch is awesome.
@equalleftrights3130 Жыл бұрын
How important is annealing? I can't get consistent ES. One day I get 10 ES and other days 30 ES.
@andrewroberson724 Жыл бұрын
It's important in that you want less spring back from the brass and better consistency in that regard. What brass powder and primer, because that is where there could be a more important issue. I don't use alpha brass, but heard it doesn't require annealing per their own specs. I do it with an Amp on lapua and get decent es/SD, but even then, if your results on paper at 100 and plate to distance are good, don't worry about it. If you're shooting f class, disregard what I said and see Erik Cortina's videos.
@equalleftrights3130 Жыл бұрын
@@andrewroberson724 Thanks for the reply. My results on paper and at 800-1200 and 1800 yards are excellent, better than what I expect. Moa shooting at 1200yds with 75% accuracy on good days and over 65% at a mile on a 2'x2' steel target. Some of the shots I make, most people won't believe so I always film everything and have it on my other youtube account. I've thought about that before, if Im getting great results, why worry about it. I use alpha brass and berger bullets.
@andrewroberson724 Жыл бұрын
@@equalleftrights3130 I wouldn't worry with that rate of success, good shootin!
@equalleftrights3130 Жыл бұрын
@@andrewroberson724 That makes sense, thanks.
@rudolphferdinand3634 Жыл бұрын
I am sold. I have watched it for over a year the EC Tuner, the first model required gunsmithing, not for me extra cost. This tuner is the right one to buy.
@andrewroberson724 Жыл бұрын
Really glad you found the review helpful. Enjoy the EC Tuner!
@JacobTerherst Жыл бұрын
Tangent and 6BR coupled with 4DOF is a winning combination.
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That ZCO looks amazing! Crystal clear. Nightforce poor eye relief and the ca around the edges is horrible
It's interesting because it's not as bad in real life. I've actually gone from ZCO and Tangent since and got a Razor Gen 3 and kept the NF for now. I may sell the ATACR. It may be good to give some observations on which does better over the course of a 1 and 2 day match. Thanks for watching
Oh I’ve seen it in real life! Lmao 😂but that’s my eye. What works for others doesn’t necessarily work for you. Nightforce is over rated
Ghose vortex turrets are one of the best ive handled
Nice to see you back, Rob. Please post a link to the range/club
facebook.com/profile.php?id=100063563831170&mibextid=ZbWKwL
They don't have a site but there is a Facebook link for you, thanks for watching!
Haha fun times! I'm still bitter...
Ya got robbed!
Here’s how I see it as an owner of the NF ATACR 7-35 Tremor 3. Lamborghini, Ferrari, McLaren. You’re a fortunate to be able to own and use any of them…and at this level it’s more about the ability of the end user rather than the marginal differences between NightForce, Zero Compromise, and Tangent Theta top options.
You're absolutely right. Appreciate your comment!
The chromatic aberrations (particularly the purple fringing at mid-range) are much worse in the ATACR than the other two. Thank you for sharing this. That fringing alone would prevent me from buying the ATACR. Cheers
I can understand your thoughts by the video. I hate CA. However, it doesn't show in real life use to me, so I ended up keeping the NF and TT rather than the ZCO. I think I would have been happy with any of these to be quite frank. Thanks for watching!
Awesome video! Go Vols!
Go Vols!
Thanks for the video! You should do a comparison video with them all at 25x to get a better comparison and at a longer range!
I wish I could but I sold the ZCO. I can definitely do it with the NF and TT. Thanks for watching!
A 2 MOA target is .6 mil from side to side, not from the center. Therefore, a .5 mil hold will take you .2 mil off the target edge
Excellent video. Thanks for sharing
Thank you, and I appreciate you watching!
Hey Rob, thanks for the response on the last video, I figured I would put my follow up comment on this video. So I have been running a NF ATACR in PRS22 for a couple of years now, recently had to have the windage erector set replaced under warranty bc it would not hold zero. However, I also purchased one of the newer ZCO 840s recently to possibly switch my rimfire setup over to. For me, it’s no comparison in glass. The ZCO is considerably superior to the NF especially the higher you go up in magnification. The 840 parallaxes down below 10 yards and the edge to edge clarity is far better than my NF. I prefer the MPCT3X reticle but I know some don’t care for the circles, for me it is very intuitive and quick to find my place for holds. I have not owned a Tangent yet but I have fondled several of them and they are remarkable too, but I think I still prefer the ZCO, maybe it is the tone of the image in the ZCO my eye likes more and definitely the ZCO reticles. I think you made a great point that once you step up to the higher end of optics, I have found that the number one most important factor to choose an optic by is what reticle do you personally like and find attractive and easy to see and use. That’s possibly why you are so fond of the NF I would think. That’s also why I chose ZCO over Tangent, I’m not a huge fan of Tangents reticles, they seem too fine for me and I would often lose the reticle in the background and waste time trying to find my correct hold again. Great videos and content. Thanks for sharing. Congrats on the MBA.
Hey Ben, thanks for the comment, I had made this a while back and didn't like it, so in a way this video was for you after your question. Long story short, I had an issue with thr ZCO turret and while the image looked better on the ZCO initially, I think my eye was more comfortable by end of the match. I've won PRS22 matches with the NF 7-35 so maybe it's a placebo effect. All that said, it's great having the options available! Thanks again for watching!
I have 3 NF's & 2 ZCO'S. I prefer ZCO in any condition.
Totally understand that. They're great scopes. Thanks for watching!
Thank you! I took three screenshots of each at maximum magnification. And as for me, TT engineers didn’t eat their bread in vain))).
The Tangent Theta was engineered extremely well. Thank you for watching!
They all look good to me!!
Me too, I ended up sticking with the Nightforce and the Tangent Theta. Hope you're doing well!
My family and I are doing well, Hope you and your family are well. I have to get off my back side and drop a video!! it's been to long. @@andrewroberson724
Hey Andrew, can I ask what made you decide to go back to the ATACR from the ZCO? And did you do the same on the centerfire rifle or are you still running the Tangent?
Hi Ben! I was doing an MBA in 2023 and finally wrapped that up. Buy I'm going to do a video on why. I'm way overdue on that subject. However, the ZCO and NF had nearly the same resolution to my eye. That's personal preference. I like the NF parallax and turrets better and the reticle just worked better for me more importantly. I have a level of confidence with the nightforce that's hard to explain and I need to figure out why that is. I do have the Tangent Theta on my centerline still. Anyhow. I think you just gave me the idea for the next video I need to do, so I appreciate that and hope to answer more in depth for anyone wondering soon. Thanks for watching!
These actions are the 2 I'm currently going through the same struggle with. I just picked up a Lone Peak Fuzion and a Vudoo 360, so I'm considering going to the Zeus to keep the bolt throws the same for practice purposes. Thank you for the video!
Thanks for watching and glad you enjoyed it!
This video is one reason why I’ll be purchasing a Terminus action. It’s great to see an action company that takes care of its customers and will respond quickly… it’s nice if they just answer a phone once in a while or at all. Now we just need Joel and his company in Texas!!
Thanks for watching and I completely agree. If he was here we'd be sitting pretty good!
What's that on the front of your scope?
Hi Steve, it's a cover for the indoor dry firing kit I bought from IDTS. It allows you to focus at about 12 or 15 feet on the "range" which is like a projector screen with targets and you dryfire practice. Good catch by the way!
@@andrewroberson724 Thanks!
AMP since 2018
They're the best
whats that tape you put on the scope bell? thx
The black wrap is a black medical tape to protect the bell against barricade rash. Is that what you were talking about?
@@andrewroberson724 cool. thx. i was going to use grip tape for weightlifting. i have a scope chap but it keeps sliding around. might put it on top of the tape
@Ben I had a friend who did the medical tape then a scope chap and it worked well. Hope that helps you out and thanks for watching!
Did you verbalize the answer in the video, of the question in your video title, & at what time stamp?
I don't remember where but I got a shift of about .4 mils after removing the barrel
@@andrewroberson724 Point four Mils, got it. Thanks!
@@bikeracerdude sure thing!
It’s nice to see a humble individual blessed and share his experience. Rock on brother and much success in the future.
Thank you very much for watching and the encouraging comments, all the best to you as well!
whats your twist ?
It's a 1:7.5 twist Krieger barrel. Thanks for watching!
So you said that a 2 MOA wide target is 0.6 in wide ? Where did you get that info ?
.3437 is a tenth of a mil time 6 tenths is 2.1 moa. Hope that helps, and thanks for watching!
So are u saying don't mess with dof. Just decided the angle of the wind from the dof and use that and not mess with direction of fire at all?
Hi Andrew I came back to this and realize I didn't send my answer. I set it to 000° DoF and enter the wind speed at the x o' clock value and it solves better than when I used dof. I'm sure it's my inputs or something but I'm hitting g targets this way. Hope that helps!
@ARob's Precision Rifle VLOG that makes sense. Does that seem to be the most common way people are using it at competitions? Just wondering bc I'm about to shoot my first one for the year in 2 weeks and this will be my first year using a AB kestrel.
@andrew geary so I have seen both. The guy in the video has won several matches and doesn't as well. I haven't been shooting much this year because of school, but have had good match success doing it this way as well.
@@andrewroberson724 Thanks for your help.
@@1clnsdime1 sure thing, good luck at the match!
thanks for this👍
Thank you for watching, hope it helps!
I went with this as my first annealer. Your video helped a lot..this thing rocks. Thank you
I am really glad the video helped, thank you for watching and for the positive feedback. The AMP makes annealing such a relaxing activity for me now. Glad you're enjoying yours too!
Nice stick.. when choosing a chassis I narrowed It down to the matrix. And jp enterprises apac chassis. I wanted a chassis that folded but was still solid. Went with the jp enterprises. But the matrix is always calling to me lol. The funny thing is how you went from foundation...to the metal chassis........ I'm thinking of picking up a foundation cause I shoot in alaska in the winter lol....so the chassis gets cold as f......lol Hoping the foundation was nicer to my face 🤣 Super solid folding chassis setup.
I love the foundation too, I just wanted the adjustability of the chassis. Matt Caruso let me try his rifle and he had a matrix chassis and I was sold right there.
@@andrewroberson724 honestly I'm hoping some new chassis hit the market. Been kinda stagnate in that area for a few years... but I'm not the normal prs shooter. Basically I wanted to build a one mile plus gun that could fit into a 30 inch hard case. The only way I could so it was with a terminus action since I can pull the barrel and needed a rock solid folding chassis.... Only krg whiskey and jp enterprises apac had the most solid folding stock..all my jp parts for my gas guns are quality. So I went with them... but I won't lie.....the krg whiskey and matrix are sexy sexy stocks lol
@@prone_wolf8871 I think the new krg c4 is really cool personally
@@andrewroberson724 I'll check it out haven't seen it yet....but krg whiskey was supposedly one of the most solid folding stock. But I never put hands on it....the jp is solid and if you want you can run a screw to make it essentially fixed stock.. But I needed it to fold and be under 30 inches folded
@@prone_wolf8871 I get it. I did handle a jp once now that I think of it. I cleaned the stage also...so yeah they're good. It was a prematch stage with a 22
Awesome setup 👍👍
Thank you, and thanks for watching!
Does the red tape on the scope improve balance and stability? kidding keep up the good videos.
Haha appreciate it!
That was very helpfull im looking to get one of these for my next optic im leaning towards the TT
Thanks for watching and I'm glad it's helpful. The TT is the best scope I have ever owned. I have that, a ZCO, and a NF 7-35 and it is just a great optic. I've dropped it on concrete before a match and it was off a little but I rezeroed and it was good to go. I need to compare with the NF. I think my preference is in this order. Tangent Theta 5-25 Nightforce 7-35 ZCO 5-27
@@andrewroberson724 can I hear why you like the nightforce atacr over the zco? I'm asking cause I have the 7x35...but I'm looking into the zco 8x40
@Prone_ Wolf hi prone wolf, I think the ergonomics of the scope suit me better and I think the nightforce reticle is a little better for me. It's definitely a personal taste thing. If you get a zco I don't think you'll be disappointed at all, but I think the nf just handles better because the turrets don't lock. It's an unpopular opinion so let me be up front about that, but I paid for all three and it's how I like them in that order. Some people swear the zco glass is night and day better but my samples are pretty similar. Hope that helps!
@@andrewroberson724 I honestly appreciate your feedback... I looked through a new kahles scope and I didn't see anything that made me want to get it over my nightforce atacr. But I've never had the opportunity to look through zco or tangent.....I will say until tangent comes out with a new scope they are out of my price range 😆. The zco is crazy expensive but I shoot in dark conditions and I love what I do 😆. So if It was a big difference to go from the nightforce to the zco I might take the plunge 😆
@Prone_ Wolf yeah and that's the thing, I believe the same guy worked with all three of those scope companies, zco, nf, kahles, so there are similarities on all of them. I also agree Tangent is super expensive but I got a great deal on this one so I couldn't pass it up.
Will this fit in a MDT ESS with tikka footprint?
Hi, and thank you for watching. Unfortunately it won't because the recoil lugs are different and the action screw spacing is too.
@@andrewroberson724 Thanks for fast reply! Ok good to know. How do i know what chassi/stock to fit in a zues action? I only see tikkas/remington and clones etc etc.
@Sinko Sinkovski great question! The Zeus is a Remington 700 clone footprint, you would select that and either long or short action depending on which Zeus model you have. Let me know if you have any other questions about it.
Ive ordered a left hand Terminus Zeus. Looking foward to getting it. for a 6mm build.
That's awesome man. Have you decided on which 6mm yet?
@@andrewroberson724 hey I am looking 6mm creedmore, 6br or 6mm xc. We are limited in reamers wear I live. What are your thoughts?
@Tim Dixon I'd get whichever caliber you can reload for, but let's say you can get components for any of the 3. I'd go with the 6mm br. It's very easy and performs well with nearly any reasonable load. Hope this helps you and thank you for watching!
Does Zco make non locking turrets? I honestly have never felt a need for locking turrets. ALL THINGS considered, I think Zco is the better scope bc the fit and finish is just sexyyyy!!! It is hands down the single nicest looking optic on the market....and to perform THAT close to TT while looking that good, if I had the choice I'd go with the Zco. The ONE downside to me with Zco is the reticle. I find a few of them to be overly busy. March 5-40 has a gorgeous reticle, Athlon Cronus has a nice clean reticle, Zeiss S3 as well. If I got the Zco I would get the 1st reticle without the Xmas tree, just not a fan.
You can order no locking elevation but not sure about windage. Honestly I hate locking turrets too. It is a good looking scope and I have the one with no Xmas tree because it's better imo. Thanks for watching
Nice video ARob! I'm an MDT guy, but I have to say that the MPA chassis and ALL the little gadgets that you can attach to them really are nice...And I really like the overall look of your build...Well done!
Thanks Tony! They're really my favorite stock/chassis by far now. I appreciate you watching as always my friend!
Beautiful build, I have the Accuracy International AX cause I needed tool less adjustment on the stock me and my wife enjoy practicing.
Thank you for the comment. I like the AI stuff too. It's really nice!
I love the terminus kratos on my hunting rifle so much that I immediately ordered a zeus.
Can't go wrong with a zeus...they're the best in my opinion. The Terminus brand is excellent
What is that stock?
Foundation on the terminus and grayboe in the vudoo
@@andrewroberson724 That foundation looks awesom.
@@mikebarney339 they make a really awesome stock!
Nice hoodie, I have one just like it...
It's definitely a favorite of mine...hope to see you there soon
The best feeding 6mm is the 243 Winchester. Make sure to get the right twist rate so you can use heavy bullets. Feeding isn’t as much as a issue with bolt actions. But with a auto loader it is.
I had a .243 and I have to agree.
Congratulations on the new house. And the new rifle. Subscribed today.
Thank you, really appreciate it and thanks for watching!
If you run across a killer deal on a nice scope let me know
Will do!
How do you like that foundation stock
I like it a lot, and I have it on a back up, but I've recently switched to MPA after trying their matrix pro. The primary reason is that I get a perfect grip and trigger press every time due to their grip system. I found I wasn't as consistent with the foundation. So it's nit picking a little but the other works slightly better for me. I wouldn't hesitate to buy either.
@@andrewroberson724 I'd like to have a foundation stock but just don't have the funds maybe one day thanks
@@ronniebaker3036 what kind of action do you have?
@@andrewroberson724 I a defiance and a zermatt orgin action
The ZCO rings are made by American precision arms. There tru loc rings.
You're right. Thanks and I'll see if I can do an update video on all my errors. It's important that I correct things like that. One interesting thing I saw is that ZCO now have their rings made in Austria. I'd not seen the new ones before your comment.
very nice. My 300 WSM is a custom build for ELD,ive abandoned all polymer and laminated wood stocks in favour for one peice 6160 Aluminium chassis. A noticeable difference overall.
I've since switched to a chassis as well. The stock is very nice but the chassis fit my body better. Thanks for watching!
Good video for the YT algorithm.
It looks like the MPA is also substantially heavier than some competitors. MDT has some hollowed out sections it looks like, and then promotes sale of their weight system. Granted, you can shift weight more I’m sure. Cool coverage! -Isaac
Thanks for watching and commenting! I wanted to look at the acc pro but honestly, I tried the mpa and it just fit me really well so I bought the only one I could find. I also like the weight system for the mpa. You dint have to remove the action. It balances really well and the adjustable mag latch is awesome.
How important is annealing? I can't get consistent ES. One day I get 10 ES and other days 30 ES.
It's important in that you want less spring back from the brass and better consistency in that regard. What brass powder and primer, because that is where there could be a more important issue. I don't use alpha brass, but heard it doesn't require annealing per their own specs. I do it with an Amp on lapua and get decent es/SD, but even then, if your results on paper at 100 and plate to distance are good, don't worry about it. If you're shooting f class, disregard what I said and see Erik Cortina's videos.
@@andrewroberson724 Thanks for the reply. My results on paper and at 800-1200 and 1800 yards are excellent, better than what I expect. Moa shooting at 1200yds with 75% accuracy on good days and over 65% at a mile on a 2'x2' steel target. Some of the shots I make, most people won't believe so I always film everything and have it on my other youtube account. I've thought about that before, if Im getting great results, why worry about it. I use alpha brass and berger bullets.
@@equalleftrights3130 I wouldn't worry with that rate of success, good shootin!
@@andrewroberson724 That makes sense, thanks.
I am sold. I have watched it for over a year the EC Tuner, the first model required gunsmithing, not for me extra cost. This tuner is the right one to buy.
Really glad you found the review helpful. Enjoy the EC Tuner!
Tangent and 6BR coupled with 4DOF is a winning combination.
Absolutely agree