Northeast Alpine Start

Northeast Alpine Start

David has devoted his entire adult life to climbing - pushing his grade on recreational objectives and working as a professional mountain guide. After a stint in the United States Marine Corp, he was hired as a rock and ice instructor and since has expanded his repertoire to include alpine, skiing and avalanche education. David is a certified Single Pitch Instructor through the American Mountain Guide Association [AMGA], an Ortovox Team Athlete, a DPS Ski Ambassador, an expert gear tester at the Gear Institute, an American Institute for Avalanche Awareness and Education [AIARE] Course Leader, holds a Wilderness First Responder [WFR] and is a volunteer member of Androscoggin Valley Search and Rescue [AVSAR] and Lakes Region Search and Rescue (LRSAR). On this channel you will find tech tips, gear reviews, and hopefully some inspiration to have some adventure!

Tech Tip: The Clove Hitch

Tech Tip: The Clove Hitch

Mowglis Climbing Industry

Mowglis Climbing Industry

Cape Cod July 2022

Cape Cod July 2022

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  • @basftbll35
    @basftbll358 күн бұрын

    Everytime i see videos of your gear, i get sad that BD stopped making the smaller version of the magnetrons.

  • @elgato9534
    @elgato95349 күн бұрын

    Teach newbs to over rig belay points and then they can get sketchy later. No old bold climbers.

  • @NoahEastCoastSkier
    @NoahEastCoastSkier10 күн бұрын

    That's so interesting!

  • @sebastianflynn1746
    @sebastianflynn174612 күн бұрын

    Nut looks a little shallow and unnecessary considering the two bomber cams. I love cluster equalising gear, used it today for an intermediate anchor while TRsoloing.

  • @NorthEastAlpineStart
    @NorthEastAlpineStart12 күн бұрын

    While I would have been fine with the two bomber cams sometimes adding a third piece in the name of redundancy makes sense, especially with trad anchors. While shallow, this nut was an excellent back up to the two cams already placed... and I often build this part of the anchor after getting my partner on belay here to keep us moving quickly. Doesn't really cost me any time to have a 3 piece anchor vs. a 2 piece anchor... so why not?

  • @TheoMagas
    @TheoMagas17 күн бұрын

    Tree?!?!

  • @NorthEastAlpineStart
    @NorthEastAlpineStart17 күн бұрын

    While there is a tree behind me here and some people belay from it, it is more comfortable to belay with a higher master point in front of me then a lower master point behind me when belaying directly from the anchor. This way I can stand on the sizeable ledge

  • @richardpare3538
    @richardpare353824 күн бұрын

    Always climb up were you are going to ski down.

  • @NorthEastAlpineStart
    @NorthEastAlpineStart24 күн бұрын

    This advice isn’t always the best when you’re dealing with avalanche terrain. In this specific ravine, that is the common suggestion, as there aren’t great ways to easily access, the steeper terrain from less steep approaches.

  • @versusgravity
    @versusgravityАй бұрын

    The equalization isn't great on that nut but the cams look super solid.

  • @NorthEastAlpineStart
    @NorthEastAlpineStartАй бұрын

    Yes, the design of this anchor keeping load off of the nut was intentional! In this way the nut is way easier for the second to clean but the nut is a very effective "backup" to the other pieces to create an all around solid anchor

  • @versusgravity
    @versusgravityАй бұрын

    ​@@NorthEastAlpineStartI'm English so a solid two-piece anchor isn't that crazy to me, but I've lived and climbed in America for a really long time, and I know some people would lose their minds haha. These days I always try to equalize the three pieces. I think it's good to know how to build an anchor like this, but if I went to the trouble of placing three pieces I would only rig like this if I didn't have sufficient material to equalize all three pieces. If I came up to the top of the pitch and saw his anchor, I'd probably be fine with it, but there would be questions, lol.

  • @NorthEastAlpineStart
    @NorthEastAlpineStart26 күн бұрын

    @@versusgravity So many ways to create "good enough" anchors these days. I'd also mention the less thought about aspect in anchor craft of "efficiency" of material... Many climbers would use a 18 foot (3 meter) cordelette to "equalize" a three piece anchor like this... this method only used a shoulder length sling to create a mostly distributed redundant master point. This is much faster to build and deconstruct then the traditional cordelette style anchor... my choice here was made in knowing I would have been fine with just belaying off the two bomber cams... but a solid unweighted nut was an easy way to make it a 3-piece anchor eventually. I actually build this anchor a lot in this spot where I will start with the two solid cams and call off belay, and get my follower on belay, then add the nut while they are climbing so we have a three piece anchor before I start the next pitch where fall forces could be higher then a follower falling... so much context to consider...

  • @christophersauer
    @christophersauerАй бұрын

    If useful to others, I gave ascending a try and didn’t see much improvement, if any, over the Grigri. The wheel stays locked, not spinning, for pretty much the whole motion.

  • @Govanification
    @GovanificationАй бұрын

    That's what I would expect as well. The wheel is only designed to spin when there is very little rope tension, and in a hauling / ascending system there is tension on both strands coming up out of the Neox, which pulls the wheel up into the locked position. Hard is easy found that the friction measured very similar through a locked Neox wheel and a GriGri cam.

  • @aidanmeador-woodruff2322
    @aidanmeador-woodruff2322Ай бұрын

    probably should go in direct before calling for slack though haha 🤣...

  • @NorthEastAlpineStart
    @NorthEastAlpineStartАй бұрын

    That depends on if you have a secure stance. There is no need to “go in direct” if you have a secure stance.

  • @garciadiegoalonso
    @garciadiegoalonsoАй бұрын

    Hello, thank you very much for the information about the jacket. Thanks to that I decided. Greetings from Argentina!

  • @NorthEastAlpineStart
    @NorthEastAlpineStart28 күн бұрын

    Glad it was helpful!

  • @ScoutSniper3124
    @ScoutSniper3124Ай бұрын

    Well, that's just nuts1

  • @tobimathi2941
    @tobimathi2941Ай бұрын

    Sounds a bit scary / less predictable than the usual devices 😕

  • @NorthEastAlpineStart
    @NorthEastAlpineStartАй бұрын

    It’s really not that scary IRL… and once you experience the first time it’s quite predictable. Just thought I’d share this as I noticed it the first time. The dozen more times I’ve lowered someone I’m 100% used to it now.

  • @dirtbagproductions6561
    @dirtbagproductions6561Ай бұрын

    Great video - thanks.

  • @devbrain3
    @devbrain3Ай бұрын

    Minor correction -- at 1m30, the anti-panic is not related to the speed of the rope, but to a common panic response of pulling the lever instead of letting it go when the rope begins to move too fast.

  • @NorthEastAlpineStart
    @NorthEastAlpineStartАй бұрын

    Thanks for that correction!

  • @christophersauer
    @christophersauerАй бұрын

    Thanks so much for making this video! Can’t wait to see the results of your ascension test

  • @EricForney-uz4iz
    @EricForney-uz4izАй бұрын

    Good old school stuff. Not rocket science just building on the basics. 👍👍 Helpful to have in your toolkit.

  • @NorthEastAlpineStart
    @NorthEastAlpineStartАй бұрын

    Glad this video is still getting some views! This technique was one of the first things I learned back when I thought I knew everything about anchors (late 1990s) that made me realize I will never stop learning about anchors!

  • @revhead
    @revheadАй бұрын

    That's really interesting. I wonder whether lowering a climber past a ledge and they briefly unweight the rope, whether this then goes into zero friction mode and cause the belayer to experience rope burn.

  • @NorthEastAlpineStart
    @NorthEastAlpineStartАй бұрын

    I don’t think so. As long as a little tension is felt from the brake strand side the device will cam as expected. I can’t see any belayer rope burn happening here. The greater risk is the climber reaches a small stance or ledge, and a belayer stops maintaining the brake strand (against all product instructions). Then there could be an issue.

  • @wielanddekruif6040
    @wielanddekruif6040Ай бұрын

    Great video. Also the first one demonstrating how this device performs on belaying a second from the top. Looks MUCH smoother than any of the other belay devices out there for that purpose.

  • @NorthEastAlpineStart
    @NorthEastAlpineStartАй бұрын

    It is super smooth when taking slack in with one hand on brake side and one hand on load side. It makes an interesting clicking sound if you have both hands pulling slack on just the brake side and doesn't feel quite as smooth. The only device I've used that has less friction is the Petzl MicroTraxion but that is not exactly endorsed by Petzl for that purpose.

  • @richardcarey169
    @richardcarey169Ай бұрын

    180 deg opposition each wire is made weaker

  • @NorthEastAlpineStart
    @NorthEastAlpineStart28 күн бұрын

    It is true that the angle here multiplies forces... but if the rock is solid this setup up can still below breaking strength and might be the only way to make the placements secure enough to matter.

  • @testboga5991
    @testboga5991Ай бұрын

    People will get each other killed with it.

  • @remz5722
    @remz5722Ай бұрын

    I'm no beginner belayer, but the grigri has never suited me. Or I've been too lazy to take the time to "master" technique for feeding slack. I've ordered the Neox, and get it tomorrow, hoping it might be the Petzl device for me. Great demonstration, makes me hopefull.

  • @NorthEastAlpineStart
    @NorthEastAlpineStartАй бұрын

    I think you might be the type of person this device is perfect for. Personally I use the GriGri a ton to belay directly from the anchor but very rarely do I use a GriGri to belay a leader (which you can tell when I don't demonstrate the special hand technique for quickly giving slack)... the Neox doesn't require any special hand technique and the rope feeds out like butter.... should be easy to keep up with a dynamically climbing lead climber!

  • @JDal-rr1ef
    @JDal-rr1efАй бұрын

    Do you think neox is dangerous for multi-pitch climbing? Please let me know your actual experience. Also, if you don't hold the braking rope on the Second climbing bilay, won't it be braking?

  • @NorthEastAlpineStart
    @NorthEastAlpineStartАй бұрын

    Inherently dangerous? No. But it does require a more attentive brake hand then the Gri Gri or a plaquette. A lot of rope will move quickly through the device if that brake hand comes off the brake strand for any reason. The fact that you can take in slack super fast might increase safety when the second is climbing fast and other belay devices make it hard to keep up with the climber.

  • @adamaayan
    @adamaayanАй бұрын

    Best video I've seen so far. I've seen the commercial video and a few more and that is the first video that actually explores the real reason behind the update. Thanks 🙏

  • @NorthEastAlpineStart
    @NorthEastAlpineStartАй бұрын

    Glad it was helpful!

  • @Dognut23
    @Dognut23Ай бұрын

    Considering it is assisted breaking and, as you demonstrated, wont cam if your hand is off the brake strand, I think it would be good practice to use a backup prussic if using it to rappel. What are your thoughts?

  • @NorthEastAlpineStart
    @NorthEastAlpineStartАй бұрын

    I really don’t think a third hand friction hitch backup would be needed for rappelling a single strand with the Petzl Neox… even the weight of the rope hanging below you is enough to get the can to engage if you are not holding the lever down. I definitely would tie the device off if I wanted to halt my rappel for an extended time but with a fully loaded Neox and resistance on the brake strand at this point I still don’t think I’d ever add a friction third hand backup

  • @Govanification
    @GovanificationАй бұрын

    Be careful when you approach the end of the rope rappelling with a GriGri or Neox, as the weight of the rope hanging below the device might not be enough to consistent engage the cam, and if you unweight it slightly the rope tension from stretching the whole rope above you can cause the rope to zip several meters through the rope in the blink of an eye. I imagine this issue would be more pronounced with the Neox. Obviously you should have knots in the end of your rope but if you don't..... you could zip off the end of the rope and die like Brad Gobright from exactly this. Be careful using the Neox for anything other than lead belaying, I honestly think the GriGri is a better and safer tool for multipitch climbing.

  • @NorthEastAlpineStart
    @NorthEastAlpineStartАй бұрын

    @@Govanification Some good points. Something I noticed yesterday while lowering a climber from the ground was when the climber reaches the ground there is a tipping point where the Neox goes from lower mode where the wheel does not spin back to the wheel spinning. It's a somewhat abrupt shift in the amount of friction at the device and something I will try to capture and share on Instagram today.

  • @NorthEastAlpineStart
    @NorthEastAlpineStart28 күн бұрын

    @@Govanification Good points. I think the most important point is a secure brake hand MUST be maintained at all times regardless of how much rope is still below you (and closed systems are ideal).

  • @HrvojeKucic
    @HrvojeKucicАй бұрын

    Good explenation and demonstration, but @3:03, are You sure Petzl approves demonstrated technique. There is a much safer technique (if leader falls while you give slack), which Petzl supports, using only thumb and index finger, so 3 fingers always stay on rope.

  • @NorthEastAlpineStart
    @NorthEastAlpineStartАй бұрын

    Good catch and proof I have limited experience belaying leaders with a GriGri... which kind illustrates what's great about the Neox... no need to use special techniques to quickly feed out slack

  • @lumiha6461
    @lumiha6461Ай бұрын

    Respect, very attentive observer and respectful answer👍

  • @thomash3537
    @thomash3537Ай бұрын

    It is not encouraged by Petzel to pinch the whole device!! You might have enough strength to keep the cam open if squeezing when a fall happens. Only pinch with index finger under the lip and thumb on cam. It's in the manual.

  • @NorthEastAlpineStart
    @NorthEastAlpineStartАй бұрын

    That's correct, the method I showed here isn't ideal. I actually don't belay leaders with a GriGri often so this does kind of demonstrate where the Neox would fit a nice gap. There is no need for holding the device in a specific way to quickly pay out slack.

  • @SeekOutTheAdventure
    @SeekOutTheAdventureАй бұрын

    Thanks for the detailed overview.

  • @NorthEastAlpineStart
    @NorthEastAlpineStartАй бұрын

    Glad it was helpful!

  • @henkmenda
    @henkmendaАй бұрын

    backing up clove hitch is pointless

  • @NorthEastAlpineStart
    @NorthEastAlpineStartАй бұрын

    While a snug clove hitch doesn’t inherently need a back up it is a good practice to be on a “closed” system. If the climber wants to adjust the hitch to get closer to the edge and there isn’t much tail left you can see that hazard here…

  • @TR-nw8hz
    @TR-nw8hz2 ай бұрын

    Northeast?? You mean northeast Rocky Mountains right?

  • @NorthEastAlpineStart
    @NorthEastAlpineStart2 ай бұрын

    Huh? I'm based in the northeastern US (New Hampshire)

  • @YannCamusBlissClimbing
    @YannCamusBlissClimbing2 ай бұрын

    Great tip. I do that for sure!!

  • @devinvisible
    @devinvisible2 ай бұрын

    Great video and examples. Well done.

  • @NorthEastAlpineStart
    @NorthEastAlpineStart2 ай бұрын

    Thank you

  • @maxcontax
    @maxcontax2 ай бұрын

    We would wear our belts with the buckle to the side or back to prevent compass magnetic interference. I see her buckle rather close to her compass. Some of the crew used rope for a belt.. one junior famously kept getting lost and we saw him holding his compass inches from his cowboy belt buckle! We used liquid dampened compasses. Bruntons were extremely accurate but took forever to settle down. Suunto MC2 and Silva Rangers with dip meters.

  • @matthewgallant3622
    @matthewgallant36222 ай бұрын

    That’s just wild glad you were ok! Where did you go skiing exactly? My friend and I are always looking for new backcountry spots in the White Mountains.

  • @NorthEastAlpineStart
    @NorthEastAlpineStart2 ай бұрын

    Thanks. If you click the accident report link in the description you can see exactly where we skied that day including my GPS track from the day.

  • @tacul9333
    @tacul93332 ай бұрын

    I always weight the anchor with a back up before I commit to it. Rappelling still frightens me after 30+ years of climbing.

  • @NorthEastAlpineStart
    @NorthEastAlpineStart2 ай бұрын

    That’s a wise best practice!

  • @tacul9333
    @tacul93332 ай бұрын

    @@NorthEastAlpineStart I fell once when I was rappelling. Rapped off the end of a rope. Wasn't paying attention when I rigged the rap. Thought the 5 meter marking on the rope was the middle mark. Should have died. Now, when I am rigging my rappel and getting ready to rap, I have a rule that I do not talk with my partner. Chit chat almost got me killed. I focus on the rap now.

  • @NorthEastAlpineStart
    @NorthEastAlpineStart2 ай бұрын

    @@tacul9333 I’m glad to hear you survived! That is so scary! I’m pretty sure rope manufacturers quickly stopped adding these non-middle marks as I had heard of this happening. End of the day your instinct to slow down and not let distractions effect you is a good instinct to have!

  • @icychap
    @icychap2 ай бұрын

    Wow, had never seen this before. Thank you so much for sharing. Serves as a reminder to ensure that you double check everything first, including ensuring that every knot is properly dressed.

  • @NorthEastAlpineStart
    @NorthEastAlpineStart2 ай бұрын

    Thanks! Sure is pretty scary to think about! I thought the slow motion clip was especially powerful...

  • @icychap
    @icychap2 ай бұрын

    @@NorthEastAlpineStart Absolutely, very compelling. Question - what sun hoodie is that?

  • @NorthEastAlpineStart
    @NorthEastAlpineStart2 ай бұрын

    It’s by Burgeon Outdoor! Great sun hoodie and made right in Lincoln, NH!

  • @petridish3045
    @petridish30452 ай бұрын

    Nice one handed clove hitch. Gonna have to practice that one.

  • @NorthEastAlpineStart
    @NorthEastAlpineStart2 ай бұрын

    Once you get the muscle memory down it’s pretty quick!

  • @logandihel
    @logandihel2 ай бұрын

    That was really clear. Thanks for filming from your perspective so we can see exactly what the hitch looks like in 1st person view

  • @NorthEastAlpineStart
    @NorthEastAlpineStart2 ай бұрын

    Glad it was helpful!

  • @lennartvandenbossche5867
    @lennartvandenbossche58672 ай бұрын

    Very usefull! Used to to do it more complex so this is awesome. Thank you

  • @NorthEastAlpineStart
    @NorthEastAlpineStart2 ай бұрын

    Glad you found this helpful! I have many more tech videos coming soon!

  • @tommym875
    @tommym8752 ай бұрын

    Two nuts are always better than one.

  • @tacul9333
    @tacul93333 ай бұрын

    Love those new Blue Ice screws! So light.

  • @icychap
    @icychap3 ай бұрын

    So jealous!

  • @michaelcapeless3268
    @michaelcapeless32685 ай бұрын

    Simple and brief and clear. Thanks.

  • @labgrownlove
    @labgrownlove6 ай бұрын

    Really good review, i was skeptical about the voice addition first but it makes alot of sense seeing it

  • @michaellodowski3305
    @michaellodowski33056 ай бұрын

    U have to sit back on ur skis !! Shins forward !! Did it twice very scary!!

  • @winstonalpha1286
    @winstonalpha12867 ай бұрын

    Is useing the orienteering lines inside my compass bezel only for shooting a bearing to travel and not for orientating my map ? Or is it all the same ?

  • @NorthEastAlpineStart
    @NorthEastAlpineStart7 ай бұрын

    You can use the orienteering lines inside the compass bezel to measure a bearing off the map, or to orientate the map. Some books and navigation instructors teach that you should orientate the map before measuring a bearing off the map. This is a waste time and can introduce error into your bearing measurement as it relies on the magnetic needle, which should just be ignored when taking a bearing off the map (using the compass as a protractor).

  • @winstonalpha1286
    @winstonalpha12867 ай бұрын

    @@NorthEastAlpineStart awesome, thank you very much for taking the time to reply.

  • @charlesarpin1050
    @charlesarpin105010 ай бұрын

    Great climb, i love Cannon Cliff.

  • @danjarvis6980
    @danjarvis698011 ай бұрын

    You set 17 deg East Dec. on compass. Your map shows 17 deg. West Dec. ??

  • @megankoss
    @megankoss11 ай бұрын

    😬 *promosm*

  • @ArtML
    @ArtML Жыл бұрын

    This device is not without its issues. One time it failed to lock in the busy anchor after adjustment. It happens because it requires to rotate back to lock and sometimes one of the surrounding binners prevents it from rotating back. As a result, you simply slide to the stitched end with an adrenaline rush :D

  • @vanessav692
    @vanessav692 Жыл бұрын

    I bet they sues the ravine for being an attractive nuisance.