She was an abhorrent person who supported Pinochet and, together with Reagan, she ushered an economic superstition that has destroyed our societies, making every single one of us workers, poorer, afraid and desperate. Not only that though. Her stupid dogmas have even undermined the capitalist system they love so much
@norcatch2 күн бұрын
What really hurt for her was that Howe had been one of her most steadfast allies for close to two decades. Makes me wonder. Did she consider at that moment if she might be wrong? I doubt it.
@davidstein13764 күн бұрын
Besides modern Hebrew, South African and Antipodal, is there an accent more hideous than Ulster?
@martinenglish766111 күн бұрын
Tories were tearing them self to pieces back then as they are now,little wonder the people who used to support them have lost all faith in them as a party capable of leading the nation,i fear they are now consigned to opposition with no hope of ever governing again.
@pendorran12 күн бұрын
She was right about Europe. He was wrong.
@malcolmabram295712 күн бұрын
One has to give credit to Netflix for the amazing caricaturing of so many historical figures in this series. The only exception that comes to mind is George VI, well acted, but not a good caricature.
@andrewsmith-cm9qw16 күн бұрын
And John Major was having a tooth out and couldn’t comment on anything until AFTER he had been elected Tory leader then dived in the bath with Edwina Currie and told us all to have higher standards
@joeyfitz919 күн бұрын
Casting Gilian Anderson as Margaret Thatcher has got to be one of the worst casting decisions ever. Anderson plays a Thatcher who appears like a weak sparrow that could blow over in a slight wind.
@rr7fireflyАй бұрын
There are times when Gillian looks like she is sitting on a squishy octopus. She is phenomenally gifted at delivering exactly what is required.
@FlubbydubbydoodooАй бұрын
Don’t watch this crap. Watch the original.
@markgrunzweig63772 ай бұрын
What a bunch of pompous arses!
@bluumuun3 ай бұрын
Howe-ard!
@colinstafford78463 ай бұрын
I remember celebrating it.
@DSAK554 ай бұрын
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@michaelwalker40224 ай бұрын
Geoffrey Howe's resignation speech back in 1990 did this country a great disservice and led the Conservative party to dismiss one of the Greatest Prime Minister's of the 20th century! Margaret Thatcher was a conviction politician and towering figure our Iron lady! lady Thatcher's greatly and very much sadly missed we could do with her now in a troubled challenging world!! 😔
@user-mi7bf3dy1r5 ай бұрын
She was treating her MPs like they were her kids. She should’ve went A few years before she did
@kleytoncarlos15 ай бұрын
Im a MT aficionado, but it seemed at the time he was betraying his leadership. They portrayed here as different interpretations of political courses , and perhaps that’s what happened.
@douglasclouatre1656 ай бұрын
Howe was a little man who was bitter about the 1975 leadership contest even though he had bungled the 1974 general election and was unable to bring the unions under control, which was Thatcher's greatest achievement. A snob and a lightweight, he brief premiership will be cast into the oblivion of history.
@theshlauf8 ай бұрын
Man the show really made the House of Commons look like a cold and dark cave. It's quite the contrast to the actual recordings of Howe's speech where the room is warm and brightly light. Not to mention the room was way more crowed and lively when he gave his speech. His cricket metaphor got a much bigger laugh than the show depicted. I kind of wish dramas would lay off the gloomy atmosphere every now and then. Darkness is darker when you have light to compare it with.
@samueljennings48094 күн бұрын
@theshlauf While I do generally agree regarding dramas making everything dark, one could actually argue that since this was the beginning of the end of Thatcher’s time in office, the dark undertone might actually fit this scene when given the context.
What a terrible rendition and butchering of one of history's great speeches.
@lindawade4ok6399 ай бұрын
Thatcher did as much as Reagan did to destroy her country and any measure with a head nod to self rule for the people. I don't consider her great I consider her part of the poison pill that humans occasionally feed themselves
@A_10_PaAng_1116 ай бұрын
What pill did you take before you wrote and then edited this? 😂 Both were 2 of the greatest leaders the free world has ever seen.
@lindawade4ok6396 ай бұрын
@@A_10_PaAng_111 I am not a fan of neoliberalism, in any form and that includes those on the left. I am glad that Biden isn't swilling that Kool-Aid idiocy that we've all been living under since those two were in power
@kasegiyabu50309 ай бұрын
This speech was crafted to make Howe look honourable and decent. He was a treacherous snake, who took great delight in stabbing his boss in the back. There was talk that his pockets were stuffed full of Euros; maybe shekels.
@jadenkhor352310 ай бұрын
I've always wondered were there footage of MT's reaction/behaviour when Howe's resignation speech was read out loud during that session. I mean, did she really look/feel that destroyed during the session itself I wonder.
@aaropajari7058 Жыл бұрын
He rose while sat next to Nigel Lawson. This was an important detail missed in this scene.
@HydroSnips Жыл бұрын
Rubbish Commons mock-up though. All out of proportion and with various oddments, just looks like they’ve used a provincial council chamber. Few bits of plywood could have worked wonders :D
@MacgiollaIG Жыл бұрын
Absolutely hated this portrayal of Margaret thatcher. It’s too cartoonish and a character of itself. The constant stroke like facial reactions. I honestly get how anyone thinks this is good. Meryl Streep gave a master class in how to do Thatcher.
@RO-qb9zv Жыл бұрын
I can’t help but notice the absence of Nigel Lawson who would have been seated right beside Howe to his right. He was a friend to Howe and wanted to publicly show his support to him during his speech. Lawson would succeed Howe as chancellor up until October 1989 when he himself resigned due to criticism from walters who favoured a floating exchange rate.
@kasterborous1701 Жыл бұрын
That’s an awful House of Commons set.
@thedukeofswellington1827 Жыл бұрын
The house speaker doesnt wear a wig haha
@seanwebb6056 ай бұрын
Watch the actual footage of the speech and you'll see that he did.
@wendelloreilly8676 Жыл бұрын
Thatcher was correct 100 percent where the EU would lead.
@the500mphtortoise Жыл бұрын
Important to note that whatever you think of thathcer Howe was completely in the wrong, him and other MPs pushing us into the ERM was a disaster for our currency leading to Black Wednesday. Cost us billions with nothing to show for it.
@frankieseward8667Күн бұрын
That doesn't mean Thatcher didn't dug her own grave. The Tories were down 20 points and Thatcher seemed oblivious to the fact she was leading to disaster. The poll tax was single handedly giving Labour the election in 92. If Howe hadn't done so the Tories would've been decimated. Look what happened this election and you'll understand why the Tories did what they had to.
@benwusten5179 Жыл бұрын
Gereat show, tho, if you watch the real speech of Geoffrey Howe, Thatcher wasnt as stiff and upset, she even laughed about the basball bat joke a bit and wasnt as upset. I know the Series treis to get s super serious tone but i think it might be a bit better sometimes to stick a bit to the source material we have and then interprete what a charcater might think behind closed doors as we saw before in this show. It makes watching the real footage to some events a bit weird espeically politics.
@jplindsley6 ай бұрын
haha yes, what a radical idea to try to tell the real story. f*** hollywood.
@tubularbill Жыл бұрын
Might be the most famous speech in modern history next to Reagan’s “tear down this wall.” I don’t think the Tory’s have ever been the same.
@blinktwice4541 Жыл бұрын
Um no, I think MLK's "I have a dream speach" is even more famous☠️
@dadevi7 ай бұрын
No one's heard of it outside of England.
@tubularbill7 ай бұрын
@@dadevi- not true. We knew about it the US.
@spaceo8568 Жыл бұрын
So did no one spring for any lights for this show? Every scene I've ever watched, even outside scenes are so dark. .... or was that planned because the subject matter, story, and location are all dreary, depressing and interesting?
@mashbury Жыл бұрын
Back stabber Howe..
@daddy_1453 Жыл бұрын
She is probably the last "Legendary" British Prime Minister to date. Who comes close to her in prestige? Maybe Tony Blair? But that's the guy who got Britain involved in 2 disastrous wars. At least Thatcher overwhelmingly won her war. (And it wasn't an illegal nor an illegitimate war either). She's the only PM with an epithet in recent memory. After her we got the short reined John Major. Tony Blair. Another short term with Gordon Brown. A coalition leader in David Cameron for 5 years. Then short stints with Theresa May and Boris Johnson. Now Liz Truss, the conwoman.
@chemicalhap7 ай бұрын
Falklands was most definitely an illegal war.
@areareare9953 Жыл бұрын
Man, Gillian Anderson makes me want to lock my fridge to keep her from my milk boxes.
@Interceptor8102 жыл бұрын
I wonder who will play John Major and Tony Blair
@APG199120092 жыл бұрын
Seems tame now considering what Boris Johnson is going through right now
@blueknight072 жыл бұрын
Wow the actor playing John Major is the spitting image of him
@jonathanpardoe87222 жыл бұрын
An act of treachory so great and so devastatingly timed that the cowardly spineless Howe set in motion a chain of events that have been felt to this day . Those that care about England , those that are patriotic , those people that matter , still cant believe what Howe and Heseltine did to our great lady . and look where it got us .... 13 years of lousy labour , country bankrupted to within hours by Gordon Brown , and the current PM ? a lying two faced missleading tramp . If ever the country neede Mrs Thatcher it was now .
@andrewtully36222 жыл бұрын
You mean the lass who sold off the social housing, closed the mines, funded paramilitaries and prioritised big business? That lady?
@jonathanpardoe87222 жыл бұрын
@@andrewtully3622 Yes I do mean that lady , She actualy put £100k in my hand from the sale of my own council house that enabled me to start a business that I could not have done otherwise and today that business now empoys 35 persons , so yes , that great lady ! and whilst we are on your perch, tell me something , "closing the mines " her fault ??? Who will you blame for closing the oil rigs when we all drive electric cars and the oil workers loose their jobs ? cos its gonna happen by 2030 latest ..
@andrewtully36222 жыл бұрын
@@jonathanpardoe8722 So you already owned your house when Thatcher sold off the social housing? Am I reading you correctly? The mines should have been eased down with alternatives, not just the dole. Also, could you not have gotten a loan to start this business or remortaged that home you owned?
@Calh928 ай бұрын
@@andrewtully3622I like how you blame Brown for a global banking recession but burst a blood vessel over Thatcher getting the blame for mines closing
@andrewtully36228 ай бұрын
@@Calh92 I think you replied to me but meant to tag the other fellow.
@luisenriquequijadarodrigue70602 жыл бұрын
First nail in the coffin for Maggie
@antmagor2 жыл бұрын
My one criticism of this particular scene was there was no backstory to set it up. That is we didn’t see the falling out between Lord Howe and the Baroness Thatcher before he gave this speech
@inigobantok1579 Жыл бұрын
I think it's enough that we see that he is constantly clashing with her cabinet on all matters of the her majesty's government that it would be a matter of time before it all explodes.
@BelligerentBurgers2 жыл бұрын
I remember watching the real speech at the time. It was absolutely devastating for Thatcher, she was on borrowed time from that moment on.
@jonathandonley32995 ай бұрын
Howe effectively ended her time as Prime Minister in that speech.
@sallymolineux1164Ай бұрын
That speech effectively ended her career in politics
@anonUK20 күн бұрын
She was on borrowed time from the Poll Tax riots in spring 1990.
@brucetheloon15 күн бұрын
@@anonUK I had a Bollocks to the Poll Tax t-shirt that a family member brought back from the UK to South Africa at the time.
@ellejagerman61052 жыл бұрын
Anybody get the feeling that the writers didn't like Thatcher? Not British, not conversant with her life and times but considering she came and went how long ago? They are are swatting a historical fly with a sledgehammer. Anyone able to tell me what the deal is/was?
@notsuretbh72152 жыл бұрын
I'd need a better reminder of what bits your thinking of but trust me as a Brit Thatcher to us is certainly not a fly in our past, still today she remains present in her divisive transformation of the country that has shaped our modern day society and recent decision to collectively jump of a cliff on foreign policy. (In fact the most popular question in 2016 was how would've Maggie have voted) Maggie is always difficult to portray as whatever you do odds are you piss off half the country But yeah I don't know if this answers your question but at least gives you an idea of how emotive of an issue she is over here
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She was an abhorrent person who supported Pinochet and, together with Reagan, she ushered an economic superstition that has destroyed our societies, making every single one of us workers, poorer, afraid and desperate. Not only that though. Her stupid dogmas have even undermined the capitalist system they love so much
What really hurt for her was that Howe had been one of her most steadfast allies for close to two decades. Makes me wonder. Did she consider at that moment if she might be wrong? I doubt it.
Besides modern Hebrew, South African and Antipodal, is there an accent more hideous than Ulster?
Tories were tearing them self to pieces back then as they are now,little wonder the people who used to support them have lost all faith in them as a party capable of leading the nation,i fear they are now consigned to opposition with no hope of ever governing again.
She was right about Europe. He was wrong.
One has to give credit to Netflix for the amazing caricaturing of so many historical figures in this series. The only exception that comes to mind is George VI, well acted, but not a good caricature.
And John Major was having a tooth out and couldn’t comment on anything until AFTER he had been elected Tory leader then dived in the bath with Edwina Currie and told us all to have higher standards
Casting Gilian Anderson as Margaret Thatcher has got to be one of the worst casting decisions ever. Anderson plays a Thatcher who appears like a weak sparrow that could blow over in a slight wind.
There are times when Gillian looks like she is sitting on a squishy octopus. She is phenomenally gifted at delivering exactly what is required.
Don’t watch this crap. Watch the original.
What a bunch of pompous arses!
Howe-ard!
I remember celebrating it.
kzread.info/dash/bejne/nYR9xrSDnN2rgtI.html
Geoffrey Howe's resignation speech back in 1990 did this country a great disservice and led the Conservative party to dismiss one of the Greatest Prime Minister's of the 20th century! Margaret Thatcher was a conviction politician and towering figure our Iron lady! lady Thatcher's greatly and very much sadly missed we could do with her now in a troubled challenging world!! 😔
She was treating her MPs like they were her kids. She should’ve went A few years before she did
Im a MT aficionado, but it seemed at the time he was betraying his leadership. They portrayed here as different interpretations of political courses , and perhaps that’s what happened.
Howe was a little man who was bitter about the 1975 leadership contest even though he had bungled the 1974 general election and was unable to bring the unions under control, which was Thatcher's greatest achievement. A snob and a lightweight, he brief premiership will be cast into the oblivion of history.
Man the show really made the House of Commons look like a cold and dark cave. It's quite the contrast to the actual recordings of Howe's speech where the room is warm and brightly light. Not to mention the room was way more crowed and lively when he gave his speech. His cricket metaphor got a much bigger laugh than the show depicted. I kind of wish dramas would lay off the gloomy atmosphere every now and then. Darkness is darker when you have light to compare it with.
@theshlauf While I do generally agree regarding dramas making everything dark, one could actually argue that since this was the beginning of the end of Thatcher’s time in office, the dark undertone might actually fit this scene when given the context.
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What a terrible rendition and butchering of one of history's great speeches.
Thatcher did as much as Reagan did to destroy her country and any measure with a head nod to self rule for the people. I don't consider her great I consider her part of the poison pill that humans occasionally feed themselves
What pill did you take before you wrote and then edited this? 😂 Both were 2 of the greatest leaders the free world has ever seen.
@@A_10_PaAng_111 I am not a fan of neoliberalism, in any form and that includes those on the left. I am glad that Biden isn't swilling that Kool-Aid idiocy that we've all been living under since those two were in power
This speech was crafted to make Howe look honourable and decent. He was a treacherous snake, who took great delight in stabbing his boss in the back. There was talk that his pockets were stuffed full of Euros; maybe shekels.
I've always wondered were there footage of MT's reaction/behaviour when Howe's resignation speech was read out loud during that session. I mean, did she really look/feel that destroyed during the session itself I wonder.
He rose while sat next to Nigel Lawson. This was an important detail missed in this scene.
Rubbish Commons mock-up though. All out of proportion and with various oddments, just looks like they’ve used a provincial council chamber. Few bits of plywood could have worked wonders :D
Absolutely hated this portrayal of Margaret thatcher. It’s too cartoonish and a character of itself. The constant stroke like facial reactions. I honestly get how anyone thinks this is good. Meryl Streep gave a master class in how to do Thatcher.
I can’t help but notice the absence of Nigel Lawson who would have been seated right beside Howe to his right. He was a friend to Howe and wanted to publicly show his support to him during his speech. Lawson would succeed Howe as chancellor up until October 1989 when he himself resigned due to criticism from walters who favoured a floating exchange rate.
That’s an awful House of Commons set.
The house speaker doesnt wear a wig haha
Watch the actual footage of the speech and you'll see that he did.
Thatcher was correct 100 percent where the EU would lead.
Important to note that whatever you think of thathcer Howe was completely in the wrong, him and other MPs pushing us into the ERM was a disaster for our currency leading to Black Wednesday. Cost us billions with nothing to show for it.
That doesn't mean Thatcher didn't dug her own grave. The Tories were down 20 points and Thatcher seemed oblivious to the fact she was leading to disaster. The poll tax was single handedly giving Labour the election in 92. If Howe hadn't done so the Tories would've been decimated. Look what happened this election and you'll understand why the Tories did what they had to.
Gereat show, tho, if you watch the real speech of Geoffrey Howe, Thatcher wasnt as stiff and upset, she even laughed about the basball bat joke a bit and wasnt as upset. I know the Series treis to get s super serious tone but i think it might be a bit better sometimes to stick a bit to the source material we have and then interprete what a charcater might think behind closed doors as we saw before in this show. It makes watching the real footage to some events a bit weird espeically politics.
haha yes, what a radical idea to try to tell the real story. f*** hollywood.
Might be the most famous speech in modern history next to Reagan’s “tear down this wall.” I don’t think the Tory’s have ever been the same.
Um no, I think MLK's "I have a dream speach" is even more famous☠️
No one's heard of it outside of England.
@@dadevi- not true. We knew about it the US.
So did no one spring for any lights for this show? Every scene I've ever watched, even outside scenes are so dark. .... or was that planned because the subject matter, story, and location are all dreary, depressing and interesting?
Back stabber Howe..
She is probably the last "Legendary" British Prime Minister to date. Who comes close to her in prestige? Maybe Tony Blair? But that's the guy who got Britain involved in 2 disastrous wars. At least Thatcher overwhelmingly won her war. (And it wasn't an illegal nor an illegitimate war either). She's the only PM with an epithet in recent memory. After her we got the short reined John Major. Tony Blair. Another short term with Gordon Brown. A coalition leader in David Cameron for 5 years. Then short stints with Theresa May and Boris Johnson. Now Liz Truss, the conwoman.
Falklands was most definitely an illegal war.
Man, Gillian Anderson makes me want to lock my fridge to keep her from my milk boxes.
I wonder who will play John Major and Tony Blair
Seems tame now considering what Boris Johnson is going through right now
Wow the actor playing John Major is the spitting image of him
An act of treachory so great and so devastatingly timed that the cowardly spineless Howe set in motion a chain of events that have been felt to this day . Those that care about England , those that are patriotic , those people that matter , still cant believe what Howe and Heseltine did to our great lady . and look where it got us .... 13 years of lousy labour , country bankrupted to within hours by Gordon Brown , and the current PM ? a lying two faced missleading tramp . If ever the country neede Mrs Thatcher it was now .
You mean the lass who sold off the social housing, closed the mines, funded paramilitaries and prioritised big business? That lady?
@@andrewtully3622 Yes I do mean that lady , She actualy put £100k in my hand from the sale of my own council house that enabled me to start a business that I could not have done otherwise and today that business now empoys 35 persons , so yes , that great lady ! and whilst we are on your perch, tell me something , "closing the mines " her fault ??? Who will you blame for closing the oil rigs when we all drive electric cars and the oil workers loose their jobs ? cos its gonna happen by 2030 latest ..
@@jonathanpardoe8722 So you already owned your house when Thatcher sold off the social housing? Am I reading you correctly? The mines should have been eased down with alternatives, not just the dole. Also, could you not have gotten a loan to start this business or remortaged that home you owned?
@@andrewtully3622I like how you blame Brown for a global banking recession but burst a blood vessel over Thatcher getting the blame for mines closing
@@Calh92 I think you replied to me but meant to tag the other fellow.
First nail in the coffin for Maggie
My one criticism of this particular scene was there was no backstory to set it up. That is we didn’t see the falling out between Lord Howe and the Baroness Thatcher before he gave this speech
I think it's enough that we see that he is constantly clashing with her cabinet on all matters of the her majesty's government that it would be a matter of time before it all explodes.
I remember watching the real speech at the time. It was absolutely devastating for Thatcher, she was on borrowed time from that moment on.
Howe effectively ended her time as Prime Minister in that speech.
That speech effectively ended her career in politics
She was on borrowed time from the Poll Tax riots in spring 1990.
@@anonUK I had a Bollocks to the Poll Tax t-shirt that a family member brought back from the UK to South Africa at the time.
Anybody get the feeling that the writers didn't like Thatcher? Not British, not conversant with her life and times but considering she came and went how long ago? They are are swatting a historical fly with a sledgehammer. Anyone able to tell me what the deal is/was?
I'd need a better reminder of what bits your thinking of but trust me as a Brit Thatcher to us is certainly not a fly in our past, still today she remains present in her divisive transformation of the country that has shaped our modern day society and recent decision to collectively jump of a cliff on foreign policy. (In fact the most popular question in 2016 was how would've Maggie have voted) Maggie is always difficult to portray as whatever you do odds are you piss off half the country But yeah I don't know if this answers your question but at least gives you an idea of how emotive of an issue she is over here
@@notsuretbh7215 Wow! Genuinely interesting. Thanks 👍