This is nonsense. Waste of good sounding speakers.
@travis461922 күн бұрын
how long have these broke in? I'm surprised you fell the fast 8"s are lacking
@PietjePuk18122 күн бұрын
@@travis4619 at the time the fast eights were new, the f18's about two months.
@deanryder492226 күн бұрын
Sound like crap ,bass is too boomy lots of reflection no separation in the instrumentation ,,,,, try room acoustics .lm sure this will correct these issues.Then you will realize how great your rig becomes .All the best.
@Rasenkrieger26 күн бұрын
Some moving mass. Not a bad combination with a transistor Amp. The musical presence is hard to resist. There was a guy on KZread complaining his f15...sounded like singing through a piece of paper. It may have been his reisong A10 tiny amp👍🏻
@Rasenkrieger26 күн бұрын
'ti's Klang film dimension of sound
@masterblaster811927 күн бұрын
Do you think it's gonna play well with cabasse bookshelf speakers with 88 db sensitivity in a small bedroom?
@PietjePuk18127 күн бұрын
Here I bi-amped my vintage high sensitivity JBL drivers. Used the Coolbreeze for the highs and the LM for mid and low. Yours are not high sensitive but no problem for the Line Magnetic. The Coolbreeze rates 10W max., which could work in a smaller room. But maybe a higher sensitivity is needed.
@colourbasscolourbassweapon2135Ай бұрын
too bad i can't hear them in real life lmao well dam😂🙂😎
@colourbasscolourbassweapon2135Ай бұрын
i don't know about you men but i love the smell of wood yeah, i did wood work tbh
@colourbasscolourbassweapon2135Ай бұрын
i bet in real life these speakers have a very good rich and warm sound to them, the 18s i have can only go up to 2500khz like i need to get a tweeter for it tbh
@colourbasscolourbassweapon2135Ай бұрын
i bet they sound every better in real life tbh no cap
@bernhardh6184Ай бұрын
The "Dirac On" certainly is a good guidance, in which direction to go with the passive crossover. The drivers you are using are all widebanders and relatively easy to tame with a passive network. 👍 Once you are running out of ideas what to improve on the passive x-over, then it is the right time for the Dirac fine-tuning.
@PietjePuk181Ай бұрын
I was running the JBL drivers with digital crossovers.
@siriosstar4789Ай бұрын
i love the audiophile qualifier in the thumb nail of " For Now " . 😂
@WilsonCruz-tvАй бұрын
Hi end
@julieheard37972 ай бұрын
Which Lii drivers are you using?
@PietjePuk1812 ай бұрын
F18 and fast eight.
@julieheard37972 ай бұрын
@@PietjePuk181 I have the 18's and use them with a ribbon tweeter crossed at 2000khz
@ColocasiaCorm3 ай бұрын
Ear piercing
@Insightinvoker3 ай бұрын
There's something got to be said about 3-ways sounds totally different
@bernardthenu66933 ай бұрын
its a littlebit bright
@mambu53913 ай бұрын
You have Línea Magnetic??🤠
@PietjePuk1813 ай бұрын
Yes, this one drives my JBL's.
@mambu53913 ай бұрын
Sound😳wooo very nice
@Justas-M3 ай бұрын
I would put super tweeters on the inside. My own and some friends opinion imaging is better that way.
@PietjePuk1813 ай бұрын
Tx.
@davidmccleery16933 ай бұрын
That's lovely work - have you ever tried a Garrard 401?
@PietjePuk1813 ай бұрын
Thanks David. No I have not, but a really nice Garrard is still on my bucket list.
@IOSALive3 ай бұрын
Jean van Pareltje, This is perfect! I subscribed right away!
@umitbey48523 ай бұрын
🥰
@9XThunder3 ай бұрын
It sounds like a transistor radio, open baffle dont work, buy some good speakers sir
@PietjePuk1813 ай бұрын
To each his own.
@gaborozorai37143 ай бұрын
Great video, thanks! Some questions: Do the smaller drivers (Fast 8 or 10?) sound smooth and balanced without a notch filter? With a crossover are the F18's used as bass drivers? Without a crossover is it not a disadvantage that you do not have a single point source any more?
@PietjePuk1813 ай бұрын
They do for me. The f8&F18 are used in parallel, full range; for greater soundstage so to speak.The f8's are placed more backwards in the board compared to the F18. Only L-padcontrol for tweeter and f8. Have used W15's for the low end but a sub in my setting turned out to be better. It was after splitting the left and right powerleads in the amp during several upgrades that I found a very clear and defined sweetspot coming from the centre of both speakers like I was used to with my enclosed speakers. So in my system open baffle does not lack in details/3D imaging of instruments and voices compared to the conventional speaker. If any it is more open. But what's in a word :-) And naturally room correction is quite essential.
@sc0or3 ай бұрын
I’d like to suggest you to try 6L6 or 6V6, cause they sound like a more crisp EL34. And of course every time someone swaps tubes he must tune an amplifier to use a proper working point. Like an optimal current, plate and the second grid voltages. A second grid voltage for instance can add more 2nd or 3rd harmonics depending on a tube and a value. A working point location itself defines a total distortions level (as well as an output power). So, that’s a pretty long road to an ideal sound )
@korling993 ай бұрын
Love the journey! You’ve definitely inspired me.
@DaleCrommie3 ай бұрын
Very nice video. I’ve been watching your videos as I have been finishing up my permanent Baffles. Thanks for your inspiration.😄🔥
@gee38833 ай бұрын
have you tried a class D amp with these speakers? if ye how did they sound? cheers.
@PietjePuk1813 ай бұрын
No I have not.
@gibguy57053 ай бұрын
Hey great sound..Incredible gear.... ..Are you married?..You must have a very tolerant partner..lol
@PietjePuk1813 ай бұрын
:-) let's just say it is a happy struggle ...
@artvanwag32574 ай бұрын
How much in English pounds for such a thing..
@PietjePuk1814 ай бұрын
If you mean the amp incl upgrading parts I would guess round and about 1700 pounds. If you do the upgrades yourself. I did not keep track of the exact costs of all the parts but to give you a round figure not including the tubes.
@dankolov18394 ай бұрын
Has anyone tried removing the mains filter in the power supply and let me know if there is a difference in the sound?
@sc0or4 ай бұрын
Hi Jean. You could replace Mocacor with SB Acoustic SB29RDNC-C000-4. This tweeter has as low distortions as -90 f.. dB!! That's an insane number. Plays up to 25kHz on axis and costs .. tadam .. 57 euros.
@PietjePuk1814 ай бұрын
Hey , tx for the tip!
@davidfromamerica18714 ай бұрын
I had to Shazam the songs to find out who the singers were. Barb Jungr.👍😎❤️ Judith Owen. 👍❤️😎
@sc0or4 ай бұрын
A chair baffle -) PS The only Lii Audio I agree sounds perfect (F18) Next - Voxatives, Cube Audio, and AEGs are. And this is a big gap in a price.
@christophernoto4 ай бұрын
Sweet. I have an AU-555A that I bought, new, in 1972. It's about to go out for recapping. I love it dearly.
@johnh5394 ай бұрын
Again very cool system. What is your source, the only upgrade I am still considering apart from some day getting a simple signal ended amp to play with, is the Moon mind 2 streamer. I am currently using the wiim pro with an RME ADI 2 and frankly like it so much that I feel that anything much less than the moon would not represent an up grade.
@PietjePuk1814 ай бұрын
MiniDSPshd with Roon ROCK server
@johnh5394 ай бұрын
cool system! I have a prima luna integrated amp. Into which I have tube rolled 6L6GC power valves and in fact today have just ordered two 5751 driver valves. My problem is that I can use a term like "driver" or "rectifier " but I really don't understand the different roles they play . My next experiment will be the rectifier valves ( currently 12AU7's) once I have run the new 12AX7 replacements' for a while. can you give an idiots guid to explain their sequence/functions? also any 12AU7's you recommend. I have a carefully chosen system capable of giving me what I want so my search is for the texture of sound not necessarily to improve it, but as you might guess from the valves I have chosen already I am looking for mid to top clarity First time viewer, just subscribed . PS if you feel knowing my system is helpful before you can give advice I can list it.
@PietjePuk1814 ай бұрын
I am no tube expert nor an electrician. Just a hobbyist. I can tell you rectifiers are used to convert ac to dc so as such can do 'something;' to the sound. They are not placed directly in the signalpath so therefor have less influence? Again I am no pro. As fas as the 12au7 goes. I now like The Psvane art series but have heard good things about the gold Lions.
@DaleCrommie4 ай бұрын
Very nice, I am also on the Lii 15 path. I have finally found a speaker that gives me what I have craved all these years. A Large point-source that sounds open and real. Love the Paul Simon song, also.🔥🔥
@user-qr6se4on5w4 ай бұрын
Can I get the technical design of your open baffle speakers?
@PietjePuk1814 ай бұрын
Trial and error :-) This link may be helpfull www.modelpromo.nl/The%20Liiondias%20Open%20Baffle%20Speaker.htm I used plywood and not in the exact dimensions in the link. Added a tweeter and after much experimenting added a sub.
I have had my Lii F15s in my living room, on a 2x3 foot mdf, 0.75, for a month now. The F 15s seem to be a speaker that many of us had hoped might show up. I am wondering if the addition of the Fast8 disturbed the Holographic nature of the the F15 by itself. I have seen yourself do the combo with these two drivers, and Hifi Cave has done it, also. He seemed to love it also. I am using am up firing tweeter on each panel, and this definitely helps introduce more highs into the mix. Thanks for your videos.😄
@Melkitzedeq5 ай бұрын
What is that i'm spotting on top of baffles?Did you put an upfiring tweeter with a cone to disperse sound?
@PietjePuk1815 ай бұрын
Yep.
@DustinDonohueАй бұрын
@@PietjePuk181 It's not omnidirectional?
@PietjePuk181Ай бұрын
@@DustinDonohue this tweeter tends to overtweet. (is that a word?) Anyway the late Leon Huygens used a pingpongball to disperse the highs for his open baffle. The dome works better in my setting.
@DonnieMulligan5 ай бұрын
Did you check the impedance of your speakers? You might just be over driving the amp.
@PietjePuk1815 ай бұрын
Good point. I just did but that was okay. Have orderded new Belton tube sockets, springs in the stock ones I do not trust. The factory by the way knows of the risk of burnout resistors of the occasional socket from earlier experience when I got a faulty one.
@DonnieMulligan5 ай бұрын
@@PietjePuk181 The only reason I mentioned it was because in your other video, you said you ran the woofers in parallel which knocks them down to 4 ohms and it looks like you added a tweeter. You might be averaging below a 4 ohm load now. Some 4ohm amps don't really handle 4ohm well and things start going wrong. Your demos do sound nice!
@PietjePuk1815 ай бұрын
@@DonnieMulligan Still nice of you to mention it. I am aware of the resistordip here. So yes, could be an issue there but only with the tweeter. Both main drivers are 8 ohm, connected to the 4 ohm output on the amp. I never drive them on high volume so normally with tweeter with an Lpad added it should be okay. But what is normal nowadays ;-)
@moodu18505 ай бұрын
talking about the sweet spot with those sofas in front of the speakers?
@PietjePuk1815 ай бұрын
It' s a marital compromise ...
@Johnny-Too-Bad5 ай бұрын
you've got to do something about that coffee table
@PietjePuk1815 ай бұрын
Your complaint has been forwarded to management.
@ayildiray5 ай бұрын
Great sound!
@JumbleTasteSpinning5 ай бұрын
Just beautiful combination! Gorgeous!
@devstation185 ай бұрын
Hello Mr Parltje I am making an OB 2 way config Eminence Alpha 15 as woofer and Lii Audio Fast 8 for mid hi duties... Shall be using active crossover can you advise at what frequency you crossed over from the F18s and the Fast 8s
@PietjePuk1815 ай бұрын
F18 and f8 are both full range. Crossover may depend on your room. DSP however (as in roomcorrection with a for my room adjusted frequency and latency correction) in my setting was far more important than a crossoverpoint. So I use them both full range in parallel. All the best with your project.
@devstation185 ай бұрын
@@PietjePuk181 ah thanks
@PietjePuk1815 ай бұрын
It was okay but for my setting too soft. Decided to go for a more powerfull Monacor tweeter. kzread.info/dash/bejne/aqVttK2dqazbqrw.htmlsi=mRVFzneBNwxeyu-3
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This is nonsense. Waste of good sounding speakers.
how long have these broke in? I'm surprised you fell the fast 8"s are lacking
@@travis4619 at the time the fast eights were new, the f18's about two months.
Sound like crap ,bass is too boomy lots of reflection no separation in the instrumentation ,,,,, try room acoustics .lm sure this will correct these issues.Then you will realize how great your rig becomes .All the best.
Some moving mass. Not a bad combination with a transistor Amp. The musical presence is hard to resist. There was a guy on KZread complaining his f15...sounded like singing through a piece of paper. It may have been his reisong A10 tiny amp👍🏻
'ti's Klang film dimension of sound
Do you think it's gonna play well with cabasse bookshelf speakers with 88 db sensitivity in a small bedroom?
Here I bi-amped my vintage high sensitivity JBL drivers. Used the Coolbreeze for the highs and the LM for mid and low. Yours are not high sensitive but no problem for the Line Magnetic. The Coolbreeze rates 10W max., which could work in a smaller room. But maybe a higher sensitivity is needed.
too bad i can't hear them in real life lmao well dam😂🙂😎
i don't know about you men but i love the smell of wood yeah, i did wood work tbh
i bet in real life these speakers have a very good rich and warm sound to them, the 18s i have can only go up to 2500khz like i need to get a tweeter for it tbh
i bet they sound every better in real life tbh no cap
The "Dirac On" certainly is a good guidance, in which direction to go with the passive crossover. The drivers you are using are all widebanders and relatively easy to tame with a passive network. 👍 Once you are running out of ideas what to improve on the passive x-over, then it is the right time for the Dirac fine-tuning.
I was running the JBL drivers with digital crossovers.
i love the audiophile qualifier in the thumb nail of " For Now " . 😂
Hi end
Which Lii drivers are you using?
F18 and fast eight.
@@PietjePuk181 I have the 18's and use them with a ribbon tweeter crossed at 2000khz
Ear piercing
There's something got to be said about 3-ways sounds totally different
its a littlebit bright
You have Línea Magnetic??🤠
Yes, this one drives my JBL's.
Sound😳wooo very nice
I would put super tweeters on the inside. My own and some friends opinion imaging is better that way.
Tx.
That's lovely work - have you ever tried a Garrard 401?
Thanks David. No I have not, but a really nice Garrard is still on my bucket list.
Jean van Pareltje, This is perfect! I subscribed right away!
🥰
It sounds like a transistor radio, open baffle dont work, buy some good speakers sir
To each his own.
Great video, thanks! Some questions: Do the smaller drivers (Fast 8 or 10?) sound smooth and balanced without a notch filter? With a crossover are the F18's used as bass drivers? Without a crossover is it not a disadvantage that you do not have a single point source any more?
They do for me. The f8&F18 are used in parallel, full range; for greater soundstage so to speak.The f8's are placed more backwards in the board compared to the F18. Only L-padcontrol for tweeter and f8. Have used W15's for the low end but a sub in my setting turned out to be better. It was after splitting the left and right powerleads in the amp during several upgrades that I found a very clear and defined sweetspot coming from the centre of both speakers like I was used to with my enclosed speakers. So in my system open baffle does not lack in details/3D imaging of instruments and voices compared to the conventional speaker. If any it is more open. But what's in a word :-) And naturally room correction is quite essential.
I’d like to suggest you to try 6L6 or 6V6, cause they sound like a more crisp EL34. And of course every time someone swaps tubes he must tune an amplifier to use a proper working point. Like an optimal current, plate and the second grid voltages. A second grid voltage for instance can add more 2nd or 3rd harmonics depending on a tube and a value. A working point location itself defines a total distortions level (as well as an output power). So, that’s a pretty long road to an ideal sound )
Love the journey! You’ve definitely inspired me.
Very nice video. I’ve been watching your videos as I have been finishing up my permanent Baffles. Thanks for your inspiration.😄🔥
have you tried a class D amp with these speakers? if ye how did they sound? cheers.
No I have not.
Hey great sound..Incredible gear.... ..Are you married?..You must have a very tolerant partner..lol
:-) let's just say it is a happy struggle ...
How much in English pounds for such a thing..
If you mean the amp incl upgrading parts I would guess round and about 1700 pounds. If you do the upgrades yourself. I did not keep track of the exact costs of all the parts but to give you a round figure not including the tubes.
Has anyone tried removing the mains filter in the power supply and let me know if there is a difference in the sound?
Hi Jean. You could replace Mocacor with SB Acoustic SB29RDNC-C000-4. This tweeter has as low distortions as -90 f.. dB!! That's an insane number. Plays up to 25kHz on axis and costs .. tadam .. 57 euros.
Hey , tx for the tip!
I had to Shazam the songs to find out who the singers were. Barb Jungr.👍😎❤️ Judith Owen. 👍❤️😎
A chair baffle -) PS The only Lii Audio I agree sounds perfect (F18) Next - Voxatives, Cube Audio, and AEGs are. And this is a big gap in a price.
Sweet. I have an AU-555A that I bought, new, in 1972. It's about to go out for recapping. I love it dearly.
Again very cool system. What is your source, the only upgrade I am still considering apart from some day getting a simple signal ended amp to play with, is the Moon mind 2 streamer. I am currently using the wiim pro with an RME ADI 2 and frankly like it so much that I feel that anything much less than the moon would not represent an up grade.
MiniDSPshd with Roon ROCK server
cool system! I have a prima luna integrated amp. Into which I have tube rolled 6L6GC power valves and in fact today have just ordered two 5751 driver valves. My problem is that I can use a term like "driver" or "rectifier " but I really don't understand the different roles they play . My next experiment will be the rectifier valves ( currently 12AU7's) once I have run the new 12AX7 replacements' for a while. can you give an idiots guid to explain their sequence/functions? also any 12AU7's you recommend. I have a carefully chosen system capable of giving me what I want so my search is for the texture of sound not necessarily to improve it, but as you might guess from the valves I have chosen already I am looking for mid to top clarity First time viewer, just subscribed . PS if you feel knowing my system is helpful before you can give advice I can list it.
I am no tube expert nor an electrician. Just a hobbyist. I can tell you rectifiers are used to convert ac to dc so as such can do 'something;' to the sound. They are not placed directly in the signalpath so therefor have less influence? Again I am no pro. As fas as the 12au7 goes. I now like The Psvane art series but have heard good things about the gold Lions.
Very nice, I am also on the Lii 15 path. I have finally found a speaker that gives me what I have craved all these years. A Large point-source that sounds open and real. Love the Paul Simon song, also.🔥🔥
Can I get the technical design of your open baffle speakers?
Trial and error :-) This link may be helpfull www.modelpromo.nl/The%20Liiondias%20Open%20Baffle%20Speaker.htm I used plywood and not in the exact dimensions in the link. Added a tweeter and after much experimenting added a sub.
What song is that?
kzread.info/dash/bejne/eINhp49peaq2cbw.htmlsi=AzvgH6ZS5zeHIBSC
One of the best 👍🏻
I have had my Lii F15s in my living room, on a 2x3 foot mdf, 0.75, for a month now. The F 15s seem to be a speaker that many of us had hoped might show up. I am wondering if the addition of the Fast8 disturbed the Holographic nature of the the F15 by itself. I have seen yourself do the combo with these two drivers, and Hifi Cave has done it, also. He seemed to love it also. I am using am up firing tweeter on each panel, and this definitely helps introduce more highs into the mix. Thanks for your videos.😄
What is that i'm spotting on top of baffles?Did you put an upfiring tweeter with a cone to disperse sound?
Yep.
@@PietjePuk181 It's not omnidirectional?
@@DustinDonohue this tweeter tends to overtweet. (is that a word?) Anyway the late Leon Huygens used a pingpongball to disperse the highs for his open baffle. The dome works better in my setting.
Did you check the impedance of your speakers? You might just be over driving the amp.
Good point. I just did but that was okay. Have orderded new Belton tube sockets, springs in the stock ones I do not trust. The factory by the way knows of the risk of burnout resistors of the occasional socket from earlier experience when I got a faulty one.
@@PietjePuk181 The only reason I mentioned it was because in your other video, you said you ran the woofers in parallel which knocks them down to 4 ohms and it looks like you added a tweeter. You might be averaging below a 4 ohm load now. Some 4ohm amps don't really handle 4ohm well and things start going wrong. Your demos do sound nice!
@@DonnieMulligan Still nice of you to mention it. I am aware of the resistordip here. So yes, could be an issue there but only with the tweeter. Both main drivers are 8 ohm, connected to the 4 ohm output on the amp. I never drive them on high volume so normally with tweeter with an Lpad added it should be okay. But what is normal nowadays ;-)
talking about the sweet spot with those sofas in front of the speakers?
It' s a marital compromise ...
you've got to do something about that coffee table
Your complaint has been forwarded to management.
Great sound!
Just beautiful combination! Gorgeous!
Hello Mr Parltje I am making an OB 2 way config Eminence Alpha 15 as woofer and Lii Audio Fast 8 for mid hi duties... Shall be using active crossover can you advise at what frequency you crossed over from the F18s and the Fast 8s
F18 and f8 are both full range. Crossover may depend on your room. DSP however (as in roomcorrection with a for my room adjusted frequency and latency correction) in my setting was far more important than a crossoverpoint. So I use them both full range in parallel. All the best with your project.
@@PietjePuk181 ah thanks
It was okay but for my setting too soft. Decided to go for a more powerfull Monacor tweeter. kzread.info/dash/bejne/aqVttK2dqazbqrw.htmlsi=mRVFzneBNwxeyu-3