It's really hard for me to learn anything by ear... I'm taking the course thanks to this video and I don't care if in the end I actually get PP or not. The concept of pitch colors is incredible to me and I'm sure no matter what it's going to make playing and listening to music even more enjoyable.
@yunusbarna63807 күн бұрын
Prove that you have perfect pitch.
@HOAMusicTW17 күн бұрын
thank you
@theboxingbreakdown553518 күн бұрын
The big question to follow up on is what level is your perfect pitch from going through the burge courses. Are you able to hear single note melody lines, name chords from bottom to top, hear to what cents notes are out of tune, be able to hum or sing notes from pitch memory etc. would be great to see what level of perfect pitch can be attained from the courses. Thanks!
@Ribiveer19 күн бұрын
the song at 12:31 sounds to me like it's in C minor, not F minor. I guess this is a section of the song where it has modulated? The second version sounds like B minor.
@theuniversalconnection351021 күн бұрын
You are amazing. Thank you so much for sharing this video. Keep up the great work. Blessings to you.
@pizzahacker452622 күн бұрын
Hey actually serious question, are they stopping you from revealing the contents of the dvds completely or something? There must be something you can give us as a baseline to start learning absolute pitch. On David Burge’s website it says you will hear a change immediately. I definitely believe that if there was something this valuable to musicians it should not be behind a pay wall. There are videos of how to learn pretty much everything involving music on youtube and a real tutorial on how to learn absolute pitch should be one of them. I genuinely want a reply to see what you think about this.
@EyalZeidman77022 күн бұрын
Interesting 🤔 unusual chord. Thanks.
@williamkahl797824 күн бұрын
Your assessments are right on. I wish there was some kind of program (as an add on to the course?) Where random pitches, chords ,etc for the master classes could be generated to match the drills, and subsequent verification rounds. A partner is the best way to go, but a real luxury for most. This I believe would be great help. Thank you for all your expert advice. Bill Kahl
@gerardyun24 күн бұрын
I took the Burgess course decades ago when I was first thinking about being an actual musician. I was more curious than anything else since I've kind of always been able to play what I heard even without early lessons, etc. I think he started on F# and Bb and something happened about week 3 and then it has been pretty strong ever since. I love hearing this way, hearing into the note, into the sound. Yes, I went on in music even without much of a background as a kid, and have a doctorate in conducting. I am now teaching at university level in Community Music in Canada and much of my research is in the larger area of Listening, which is great. I think people have all kinds of weird superpowers and being able to learn exceptional listening opens us to the most amazing world. There really are no limits. This is an awesome video and I love your narration. OMG I see C as white too! F as brown. G as green. But that is another story. Thanks for this.
@tonepot233924 күн бұрын
What goes through your head when you hear a pitch that's around halfway between two pitches?
@thepianoplayer41625 күн бұрын
Any benefits having PP?
@pizzahacker452623 күн бұрын
I would be able to transcribe music much better
@thepianoplayer41623 күн бұрын
@@pizzahacker4526 Have to think about it. Like many musicians who play 1 or more instruments, I have good sense of relative pitch but not PP. Give me the first note of a song, I can play the rest of it in that key on a violin. Give me a single note and ask me what it is sometimes I get it wrong. If I listen to a big enough chunk of a piece like Mozart Divertimento I can tell it's in D major. I arrange pieces for piano originally for other instruments on a computer program. I can hear from the playback if a note is supposed to be natural, sharp or flat (based on the notes before & after as reference).
@areion816126 күн бұрын
Have you notice any other components to AP other than the chroma of the tones? Like my teacher has universal AP and he doesn’t listen to the chroma, but rather maps the notes to a virtual piano in his head. I’m wondering if you’ve experienced notes tied to this 12 tone pitch row in your mind.
@g.garcia10627 күн бұрын
i want to develop it...
@thepianoplayer41625 күн бұрын
Not so sure yet. Once played on an out-of-tune piano. It hasn't been tuned for a while so out by about half a pitch. Sat down and played a version of "What a Wonderful World" in F. The song sounded like it's in E. Many people who have perfect pitch claim they would listen to a song as played originally. If you transpose it in another key, it'd sound wrong to the ear. I don't have a problem playing the same piano keys I'd normally use on the piano that is out. To me it's just muscle memory. People who have PP when playing on an out-of-tune piano would throw them off completely.
@Debangshuification27 күн бұрын
Tldr: no adults can't
@thedolphin542828 күн бұрын
I can always tell C# because it is the key of Moonlight Sonata.
@thedolphin542828 күн бұрын
To my mind, congenital perfect pitch is merely an accident of birth -- that is, nature patterning neurones in certain ways to and from your ear ... possibly layed down in-utero. So because we now know the brain has neuroplasticity and can re-route interconnections where they once weren't, it makes perfect sense that one can MAKE THOSE links happen. I believe, the best situation to help this is through autogenic relaxation, when the brain is subconsciously and unconsciously more open to reprogramming.
@rinnikfoxАй бұрын
This topic has interested me a lot lately from a cognitive science perspective I think you hit a lot of the same thoughts I had about how other people approach the subject. I've always thought that given the correct incentives, your body and brain are really good at adapting and learning new things, it's just figuring out how to train correctly is the hard part because your first instinct is to always fall back to the skills you already have.
@pensive_Ай бұрын
Thanks a lot for this good news. I have good relative pitch but not perfect pitch. After your video, I will give it a try. Was always told you were either born with it or not, from Hschool to university. This is the first time I hear someone with credibility claim the opposite.
@YEAHSURETHINGMANАй бұрын
I find an immense sadness present in this piece, with a touch of hope. Great stuff man!
@moeb4348Ай бұрын
This guy does have perfect pitch....that's why he is talking in the most boring monotone voice ever. Sounds like a robot from an old sci-fi movie from the 1950's. BORING as HELL!
@johnb6723Ай бұрын
I have it, but only when humidity is very low.
@thepianoplayer416Ай бұрын
Once learned a piano version of "What a Wonderful World" in F. Played the piece on an out-of-tune piano in a store so sounded like the song is in E. People who has perfect pitch claim they are used to listening to a song in 1 key they can't play it in any other key except that specific key.
@miritsmАй бұрын
interesting 😊 so what is the right way to learn perfect pitch? i really feel i can but don't know where to begin, ty🙏
@BAndrewBurnsАй бұрын
You could try the Burge course like I did, or perhaps have a friend compare the notes very slowly with you. I'm in the process of making a follow up video on this topic, where I will address this.
@AllNighterHeiderАй бұрын
That was beautiful, I have several friends Ill recommend to your channel. Thanks Stay
@BAndrewBurnsАй бұрын
Thank you for taking the time to listen! And thanks helping to spread my channel.
@-jq8gtАй бұрын
If learning perfect pitch was possible, you would already know about it, much like magic penis enlarging pills. I don't buy this stuff for a minute. I'm just working on my relative pitch, which I DO believe I can achieve. It's VERY telling that after an entire year since this was posted, there is no top comment about it working. And please, don't tell me to watch the whole video. No one makes a 27-minute to explain how something CAN'T be done. And if it COULD be done, as I've said, we all would've heard about it by now.
@BrendaBoykin-qz5djАй бұрын
Thank you,Britt. Interesting discussion.⭐🌹🔥🌹⭐ Very balanced.
@daniel_cunhaАй бұрын
Lol, a lot of cuts on the video and full of bullshit, good luck for all of you trying to "learn" perfect pitch 😂😂😂
@user-jj5qb4uv4qАй бұрын
I learned i had perfect pitch at 14. Its something ur born with, but it remains dormant if you aren't taught how to use it. Thats why not every kid who played piano when they were like 5 has it. Its a rare ability, and it's also a skill. People have different levels of pitch recognition, and some people have higher skill ceilings that others.
@yoheff988Ай бұрын
BS LOL, and Stevie Wonder can be trained to see
@ordjk4797Ай бұрын
I thought the video and voice were made by AI, but it’s not the case
@alans98989Ай бұрын
Seems pretty closely related to Scriabin's Prometheus Chord, except he would've normally omitted the 5th.
@holytaco.Ай бұрын
This might be a different chord, but if not then C418 uses this beautifully in the song Work Life Imbalance at 1:24
@johningham1880Ай бұрын
But did it please The Lord?
@canastraroyalАй бұрын
Very good advice.
@seanonelАй бұрын
B° triad 1st inversion over C6 1st inversion
@mhparkmusicАй бұрын
What a lovely piece!
@BAndrewBurnsАй бұрын
Thank you!
@Oi-mj6dvАй бұрын
Its a bit complicated because its been proven that even fully "perfect pitch posessors" have pitch perception fatigue and even start failing with sufficient trials in a sequence. So obviously its not a fully entirely qualitative difference between a strong ear and perfect pitch. Just speed and endurance At this point in time tho science does not know if adults can actually develop perfect pitch, or just improve pitch recognition significantly. It say the diffference is pretty pointless and minor tho. It can be trained but id much MUCH rather focus on chord inversions and chord quality recognition, transcription of lines in different instruments etc etc etc. One of the major hurdles in development of this "aural skill" is that genuine childhood perfect pitch could very well be generalizable to more timbres and this skill developed later in life could be restricted to fewer timbres thar the musician is more comfortable witj
@BAndrewBurnsАй бұрын
Science has shown people can develop it, and I'm living proof that it does happen.
@Oi-mj6dvАй бұрын
@@BAndrewBurns i didnt deny this. The approach is just different what im questioning tho is the utility of it. Chord qualities are not that hard to get down and as long as you get good at transcribing i really really find the benefit to be minimal, if any. But yes it can be. I do not know if without drugs tho but fun fact valproate DOES allow this developmental window to reope
@kornelijekovac9793Ай бұрын
There is no perfect pitch. There is only ability to remember tones more precisely or not. If you change the tuning for 1-2 Hertz, no so called "perfect pitch-er" would notice it.
@LxE9799Ай бұрын
If you add an A note to make it a chord that's made of an entire Ab half step-whole step scale, how would you notate that? Is it possible to have a flat 9th and a sharp 9th on the same chord, naming wise? Maybe as a flat 16th, I guess?
@BAndrewBurnsАй бұрын
Well, chord labeling is not an exact science. If I'm understanding this correctly, you could have A-flat 7, b9, #9, 6, #4 chord, but you would have to spell the A as a B double-flat. If you spell it as an A natural, it would be an augmented octave (#8). It's a lot to say out loud, but it does exist.
@solideomusicalАй бұрын
When I was in college I used to try and attain perfect pitch. Without any reference notes (on piano) I was either able to 'nail it' or narrow it down to 'within a half step' but never 'perfect.' My professor, who had perfect pitch, found this notable. Since then I have not really applied myself to it but I tend to agree with you and not the naysayers. There are also more recent studies on this that align with your take. There is a young lady on YT (I think her name is 'Cindy Zou') who says that all of the pianists in her country had it and when she came to America she was surprised to learn that some people didn't. She tries to diminish the role of it in a successful musical career and even says she failed some transcription test because of her perfect pitch. Are you recommending Burge's course?
@BAndrewBurnsАй бұрын
Hi, Yes. I was mostly referencing Burge's course, but you could certainly develop it on your own. And your other point is interesting. I think Western science says 1 in 10,000 people have absolute pitch, but I'm willing to bet that the real number is much higher, especially in Asian countries.
@BAndrewBurnsАй бұрын
One other point I will add is that, you don't always have to be correct to have some level of absolute pitch. I'm going to address this in more detail in a follow-up video soon.
@solideomusicalАй бұрын
@@BAndrewBurns Great- Thank you- I like the idea! One more point is that if you are told 'forget it- only a select few with innate ability can achieve such and such goal' it has a dampening effect when taken to heart. In other words, people resign before they start. That is what I like about your anecdotal story- that it seems to shatter the myth. You would have never known your potential had you not questioned and challenged it (conventional wisdom) I believe Michael Jordan is credited with saying "I make shots other people won't even take."
@vadimmartynyukАй бұрын
No sound of the actual humidifier ? Come on
@BAndrewBurnsАй бұрын
I thought someone would say this. Sadly, the humidifier is long gone.
@holytaco.Ай бұрын
@@BAndrewBurns You should search something similar online, like the picture :)
@george0tАй бұрын
Swap the B with a Bb and you get a pretty common/standard voicing of an Ab13(#11) used in Jazz.
@esterhammerficАй бұрын
Good video, and I like the storytelling element. Keep it up!
@stephenweigelАй бұрын
I’m using this chord in an octatonic song my band is playing!
@matthewlafountain3018Ай бұрын
It’s 7 out of 8 of the octatonic. Forte 7-31
@bonericiАй бұрын
suprisingly sweet chord for something full of so many dissonances i assume it's because the conflicts are always nearly an octave apart
@BAndrewBurnsАй бұрын
Yes, spacing is very important with smoothing out dissonances.
@novellmusicmedia6895Ай бұрын
Thnx
@MarkBonneauxАй бұрын
Interesting 🤔 It sounds discordant and yet stable at the same time, weird!
@BAndrewBurnsАй бұрын
Yes. It has a perfect 5th in the bottom to support it, yet the top is quite dissonant.
@user-ms3dq6ee9dАй бұрын
I totally agree with you. After 30 years having this course on my shelf, I'm finally going to go and finish the course. As a professional musician for 40 years. You can still improve on your music. Thanks for your post!!
@BAndrewBurnsАй бұрын
Still working on improving my ear myself. Thanks!
@tomclaeren16928 күн бұрын
Please can I get the course of the idea on what to practice to get absolute pitch please
@anthonyposada2652 ай бұрын
💥💥 great video 👍👍
@hefewiseman2 ай бұрын
this is good ,pretty generous and honest offering ,and I agree with your assessments ,there are so many misconceptions about this skill.,good insights
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It's really hard for me to learn anything by ear... I'm taking the course thanks to this video and I don't care if in the end I actually get PP or not. The concept of pitch colors is incredible to me and I'm sure no matter what it's going to make playing and listening to music even more enjoyable.
Prove that you have perfect pitch.
thank you
The big question to follow up on is what level is your perfect pitch from going through the burge courses. Are you able to hear single note melody lines, name chords from bottom to top, hear to what cents notes are out of tune, be able to hum or sing notes from pitch memory etc. would be great to see what level of perfect pitch can be attained from the courses. Thanks!
the song at 12:31 sounds to me like it's in C minor, not F minor. I guess this is a section of the song where it has modulated? The second version sounds like B minor.
You are amazing. Thank you so much for sharing this video. Keep up the great work. Blessings to you.
Hey actually serious question, are they stopping you from revealing the contents of the dvds completely or something? There must be something you can give us as a baseline to start learning absolute pitch. On David Burge’s website it says you will hear a change immediately. I definitely believe that if there was something this valuable to musicians it should not be behind a pay wall. There are videos of how to learn pretty much everything involving music on youtube and a real tutorial on how to learn absolute pitch should be one of them. I genuinely want a reply to see what you think about this.
Interesting 🤔 unusual chord. Thanks.
Your assessments are right on. I wish there was some kind of program (as an add on to the course?) Where random pitches, chords ,etc for the master classes could be generated to match the drills, and subsequent verification rounds. A partner is the best way to go, but a real luxury for most. This I believe would be great help. Thank you for all your expert advice. Bill Kahl
I took the Burgess course decades ago when I was first thinking about being an actual musician. I was more curious than anything else since I've kind of always been able to play what I heard even without early lessons, etc. I think he started on F# and Bb and something happened about week 3 and then it has been pretty strong ever since. I love hearing this way, hearing into the note, into the sound. Yes, I went on in music even without much of a background as a kid, and have a doctorate in conducting. I am now teaching at university level in Community Music in Canada and much of my research is in the larger area of Listening, which is great. I think people have all kinds of weird superpowers and being able to learn exceptional listening opens us to the most amazing world. There really are no limits. This is an awesome video and I love your narration. OMG I see C as white too! F as brown. G as green. But that is another story. Thanks for this.
What goes through your head when you hear a pitch that's around halfway between two pitches?
Any benefits having PP?
I would be able to transcribe music much better
@@pizzahacker4526 Have to think about it. Like many musicians who play 1 or more instruments, I have good sense of relative pitch but not PP. Give me the first note of a song, I can play the rest of it in that key on a violin. Give me a single note and ask me what it is sometimes I get it wrong. If I listen to a big enough chunk of a piece like Mozart Divertimento I can tell it's in D major. I arrange pieces for piano originally for other instruments on a computer program. I can hear from the playback if a note is supposed to be natural, sharp or flat (based on the notes before & after as reference).
Have you notice any other components to AP other than the chroma of the tones? Like my teacher has universal AP and he doesn’t listen to the chroma, but rather maps the notes to a virtual piano in his head. I’m wondering if you’ve experienced notes tied to this 12 tone pitch row in your mind.
i want to develop it...
Not so sure yet. Once played on an out-of-tune piano. It hasn't been tuned for a while so out by about half a pitch. Sat down and played a version of "What a Wonderful World" in F. The song sounded like it's in E. Many people who have perfect pitch claim they would listen to a song as played originally. If you transpose it in another key, it'd sound wrong to the ear. I don't have a problem playing the same piano keys I'd normally use on the piano that is out. To me it's just muscle memory. People who have PP when playing on an out-of-tune piano would throw them off completely.
Tldr: no adults can't
I can always tell C# because it is the key of Moonlight Sonata.
To my mind, congenital perfect pitch is merely an accident of birth -- that is, nature patterning neurones in certain ways to and from your ear ... possibly layed down in-utero. So because we now know the brain has neuroplasticity and can re-route interconnections where they once weren't, it makes perfect sense that one can MAKE THOSE links happen. I believe, the best situation to help this is through autogenic relaxation, when the brain is subconsciously and unconsciously more open to reprogramming.
This topic has interested me a lot lately from a cognitive science perspective I think you hit a lot of the same thoughts I had about how other people approach the subject. I've always thought that given the correct incentives, your body and brain are really good at adapting and learning new things, it's just figuring out how to train correctly is the hard part because your first instinct is to always fall back to the skills you already have.
Thanks a lot for this good news. I have good relative pitch but not perfect pitch. After your video, I will give it a try. Was always told you were either born with it or not, from Hschool to university. This is the first time I hear someone with credibility claim the opposite.
I find an immense sadness present in this piece, with a touch of hope. Great stuff man!
This guy does have perfect pitch....that's why he is talking in the most boring monotone voice ever. Sounds like a robot from an old sci-fi movie from the 1950's. BORING as HELL!
I have it, but only when humidity is very low.
Once learned a piano version of "What a Wonderful World" in F. Played the piece on an out-of-tune piano in a store so sounded like the song is in E. People who has perfect pitch claim they are used to listening to a song in 1 key they can't play it in any other key except that specific key.
interesting 😊 so what is the right way to learn perfect pitch? i really feel i can but don't know where to begin, ty🙏
You could try the Burge course like I did, or perhaps have a friend compare the notes very slowly with you. I'm in the process of making a follow up video on this topic, where I will address this.
That was beautiful, I have several friends Ill recommend to your channel. Thanks Stay
Thank you for taking the time to listen! And thanks helping to spread my channel.
If learning perfect pitch was possible, you would already know about it, much like magic penis enlarging pills. I don't buy this stuff for a minute. I'm just working on my relative pitch, which I DO believe I can achieve. It's VERY telling that after an entire year since this was posted, there is no top comment about it working. And please, don't tell me to watch the whole video. No one makes a 27-minute to explain how something CAN'T be done. And if it COULD be done, as I've said, we all would've heard about it by now.
Thank you,Britt. Interesting discussion.⭐🌹🔥🌹⭐ Very balanced.
Lol, a lot of cuts on the video and full of bullshit, good luck for all of you trying to "learn" perfect pitch 😂😂😂
I learned i had perfect pitch at 14. Its something ur born with, but it remains dormant if you aren't taught how to use it. Thats why not every kid who played piano when they were like 5 has it. Its a rare ability, and it's also a skill. People have different levels of pitch recognition, and some people have higher skill ceilings that others.
BS LOL, and Stevie Wonder can be trained to see
I thought the video and voice were made by AI, but it’s not the case
Seems pretty closely related to Scriabin's Prometheus Chord, except he would've normally omitted the 5th.
This might be a different chord, but if not then C418 uses this beautifully in the song Work Life Imbalance at 1:24
But did it please The Lord?
Very good advice.
B° triad 1st inversion over C6 1st inversion
What a lovely piece!
Thank you!
Its a bit complicated because its been proven that even fully "perfect pitch posessors" have pitch perception fatigue and even start failing with sufficient trials in a sequence. So obviously its not a fully entirely qualitative difference between a strong ear and perfect pitch. Just speed and endurance At this point in time tho science does not know if adults can actually develop perfect pitch, or just improve pitch recognition significantly. It say the diffference is pretty pointless and minor tho. It can be trained but id much MUCH rather focus on chord inversions and chord quality recognition, transcription of lines in different instruments etc etc etc. One of the major hurdles in development of this "aural skill" is that genuine childhood perfect pitch could very well be generalizable to more timbres and this skill developed later in life could be restricted to fewer timbres thar the musician is more comfortable witj
Science has shown people can develop it, and I'm living proof that it does happen.
@@BAndrewBurns i didnt deny this. The approach is just different what im questioning tho is the utility of it. Chord qualities are not that hard to get down and as long as you get good at transcribing i really really find the benefit to be minimal, if any. But yes it can be. I do not know if without drugs tho but fun fact valproate DOES allow this developmental window to reope
There is no perfect pitch. There is only ability to remember tones more precisely or not. If you change the tuning for 1-2 Hertz, no so called "perfect pitch-er" would notice it.
If you add an A note to make it a chord that's made of an entire Ab half step-whole step scale, how would you notate that? Is it possible to have a flat 9th and a sharp 9th on the same chord, naming wise? Maybe as a flat 16th, I guess?
Well, chord labeling is not an exact science. If I'm understanding this correctly, you could have A-flat 7, b9, #9, 6, #4 chord, but you would have to spell the A as a B double-flat. If you spell it as an A natural, it would be an augmented octave (#8). It's a lot to say out loud, but it does exist.
When I was in college I used to try and attain perfect pitch. Without any reference notes (on piano) I was either able to 'nail it' or narrow it down to 'within a half step' but never 'perfect.' My professor, who had perfect pitch, found this notable. Since then I have not really applied myself to it but I tend to agree with you and not the naysayers. There are also more recent studies on this that align with your take. There is a young lady on YT (I think her name is 'Cindy Zou') who says that all of the pianists in her country had it and when she came to America she was surprised to learn that some people didn't. She tries to diminish the role of it in a successful musical career and even says she failed some transcription test because of her perfect pitch. Are you recommending Burge's course?
Hi, Yes. I was mostly referencing Burge's course, but you could certainly develop it on your own. And your other point is interesting. I think Western science says 1 in 10,000 people have absolute pitch, but I'm willing to bet that the real number is much higher, especially in Asian countries.
One other point I will add is that, you don't always have to be correct to have some level of absolute pitch. I'm going to address this in more detail in a follow-up video soon.
@@BAndrewBurns Great- Thank you- I like the idea! One more point is that if you are told 'forget it- only a select few with innate ability can achieve such and such goal' it has a dampening effect when taken to heart. In other words, people resign before they start. That is what I like about your anecdotal story- that it seems to shatter the myth. You would have never known your potential had you not questioned and challenged it (conventional wisdom) I believe Michael Jordan is credited with saying "I make shots other people won't even take."
No sound of the actual humidifier ? Come on
I thought someone would say this. Sadly, the humidifier is long gone.
@@BAndrewBurns You should search something similar online, like the picture :)
Swap the B with a Bb and you get a pretty common/standard voicing of an Ab13(#11) used in Jazz.
Good video, and I like the storytelling element. Keep it up!
I’m using this chord in an octatonic song my band is playing!
It’s 7 out of 8 of the octatonic. Forte 7-31
suprisingly sweet chord for something full of so many dissonances i assume it's because the conflicts are always nearly an octave apart
Yes, spacing is very important with smoothing out dissonances.
Thnx
Interesting 🤔 It sounds discordant and yet stable at the same time, weird!
Yes. It has a perfect 5th in the bottom to support it, yet the top is quite dissonant.
I totally agree with you. After 30 years having this course on my shelf, I'm finally going to go and finish the course. As a professional musician for 40 years. You can still improve on your music. Thanks for your post!!
Still working on improving my ear myself. Thanks!
Please can I get the course of the idea on what to practice to get absolute pitch please
💥💥 great video 👍👍
this is good ,pretty generous and honest offering ,and I agree with your assessments ,there are so many misconceptions about this skill.,good insights