Why is the version after the update lower than the one you installed?
@andrewsarratore593217 күн бұрын
At the time I made the video a downgrade was needed to get the max discharge rate with the iCharger. Shortly after making the video iCharger released a new firmware that fixed their bug.
@kennymsdАй бұрын
Running with the phases misaligned will cause the motor to spin the wrong direction. It could cause errand sensor readings on the analyzer but should not hurt the analyzer.. Still best practice.. hook it up correctly
@gadget069Ай бұрын
I'm glad Donathen's website has the current console and firmware for these chargers.
@claybrown1619Ай бұрын
AWESOME VIDEO BROTHER 👍 AND I'VE GOT A QUESTION FOR YOU ABOUT THE MOTOLYSER 2 I JUST GOT ONE AND I AM WANTING TO KNOW CAN I TEST A R1-WURKS VOLTA LEVEL-3 4-POLE DRAG MOTOR ON IT IT'S GOT IN THE SYSTEM INFO, BUILD# rc3.2.2-593c AND Ble v1.3.72-a9aa WITH BUILD DATE OF 1-11-23 I JUST DON'T WANT TO MESS ANYTHING UP AND I'M GOING TO BE ORDERING YOUR 550 TESTING CARRIER SOON THANKS FOR ANY HELP YOU CAN GIVE ME BROTHER GOD BLESS ✝️ SINCERELY CLAY B.
@andrewsarratore5932Ай бұрын
I can't say with that particular motor, but I have tested 4 pole motors on my MotolyserII. The RPM will be off due to the two more poles, but the motor ran fine.
@claybrown1619Ай бұрын
@@andrewsarratore5932 OK BROTHER THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR HELPING ME OUT WITH THAT AND THE 550 LOAD MASTER WILL WORK WITH IT RIGHT? I HOPE SO CUZ I'M WANTING TO ORDER ONE FROM YOU MAN GOD BLESS ✝️ SINCERELY CLAY B.
@andrewsarratore5932Ай бұрын
@@claybrown1619 Looking at the Volta 4 pole, I would think it would work. I didn't test any R1 drag motors, just a Tekin and a Maclan.
@claybrown1619Ай бұрын
@@andrewsarratore5932OK BROTHER THANK YOU I'M GOING TO GET IT ANYWAY MAN BECAUSE I ALSO HAVE BOTH OF THOSE TO THANK YOU BROTHER FOR ALL OF YOUR HELP AND GOD BLESS ✝️ SINCERELY CLAY B.
@TruggyDriver692 ай бұрын
Really cool man . Great seeing the little guy help out the hobby.
@marcjou98283 ай бұрын
Thx for sharing
@1dirtovalracer3 ай бұрын
How much more of a discharge do you get. Is it for all discharge banks?
@andrewsarratore59323 ай бұрын
You can get the max discharge rate of the Icharger with the newest firmware updates. V1.14 The new firmware should work for all banks designed to work with the Icharger.
@1dirtovalracer3 ай бұрын
What would be the max discharge rate If the firmware was updated to the latest version?
@andrewsarratore59323 ай бұрын
@@1dirtovalracer That is dependent on the model of Icharger you have. This doesn't change the models specifications. The firmware fixes the Ichargers not getting to their documented max discharge rate.
@1dirtovalracer3 ай бұрын
I have a 456, 406 and 4010. I use a 4 or 5 resistor battery bank and on my 406 and 4010 it maxes out at 40 amps .
@andrewsarratore59323 ай бұрын
@@1dirtovalracer 40A is max for the 406 and 4010. 456 max is 45A. The problem is some firmware versions of the current Ichargers will not allow you to get to the max discharge rate. This is just a video to help those upgrade their firmware.
@wutupclegg66183 ай бұрын
Nice video! When do you ever find time to make these videos when you have all those other projects going on?
@andrewsarratore59323 ай бұрын
Grab my phone stand and do one take, including sneezes, lol.
@wutupclegg66183 ай бұрын
@@andrewsarratore5932 Perfect!
@crabxcorelol694 ай бұрын
Could you add a ball detent on the motolyser tray to locate on those rear screw holes? Just ordered the full setup from exalt. Can't wait to have a motolyser!
@andrewsarratore59324 ай бұрын
We have built up the back side of the Motolyser base so the clip keys in and holds it better. We haven't posted any new photos of it, but be on the look out! However, it will only work with WHM Racing Load Master's. Other companies products are not the same shape as ours.
@dirtrider884 ай бұрын
why wouldnt i just connect an appropriate resistor bank to my charger and do it that way? you can build a resistor bank for less than $40, fans and all
@andrewsarratore59324 ай бұрын
You can connect resistor banks to your charger, but your charger won't get to the discharge rate very fast. I use ichargers and they take about 30-45 seconds to get to the actual discharge rate. Also to see all the data you have to hook it up to your computer. My unit gets to the discharge rate quickly, 2 seconds for a 2s battery at 20A, and all the data is on screen, no need to hook up to your computer.
@wutupclegg66184 ай бұрын
You really have me getting an itch to start testing batteries now.
@andrewsarratore59324 ай бұрын
I think you should test all the batteries!
@wutupclegg66184 ай бұрын
@@andrewsarratore5932 Brother, I would love to. However, my bank account is trying to keep up with the motors. I will do more as soon as I get time to finish my motor tester and my wife allows me to burn more money on motors.
@wutupclegg66184 ай бұрын
Another great video! I'm always excited to see what you have in the works.
@andrewsarratore59324 ай бұрын
As always Mr Clegg, thank you for the kind words!
@chequeredflagracing5 ай бұрын
Hi. If you change the load motor does the motor your testing load v current cross over point change?
@andrewsarratore59325 ай бұрын
I think I said in the video that the intersecting point was a coincidence. One of the motors I tested wasn't close to that point, also higher turn motors don't follow that trend either. But the drop off should stay relatively the same with different slave motors.
@southcarterracing93205 ай бұрын
My 13.5 g4 at 46 degrees 6.6 amp with 4130kv 34283rpm
@andrewsarratore59325 ай бұрын
In my video I am using the HW Tunalyzer which regulates the voltage to 7.4V. If you are using a Tunalyzer and getting that much more RPM, then my motor is clearly not as good. But even then, what is your KV under load?
@southcarterracing93205 ай бұрын
@@andrewsarratore5932 have not done it with load it was the handout motor for the rc chili bowl
@southcarterracing93205 ай бұрын
@@andrewsarratore5932 I am still learning about the motor side of RC since doing more spec racing
@Awentworth725 ай бұрын
What will these retail for? Any ETA on release date?
@andrewsarratore59325 ай бұрын
I have parts coming in to make a handful of prototypes that I am sending out for people to test with and give feedback. Once I get the feedback I'll make my final design. I'm not sure on price yet, it will depend on what has to change to the final product.
@Awentworth725 ай бұрын
@@andrewsarratore5932 Thanks Andrew!
@wjones10406 ай бұрын
put me on the pre-order list....LOL Wil Jones, WFR racing
@wutupclegg66186 ай бұрын
So, how well would this work if I wanted to compare different battery brands?
@andrewsarratore59326 ай бұрын
Well, it will put the predetermined load on whatever battery you choose. So you will be able to see voltage vs time of the battery. If you have 2 6000 mAh packs, the one that maintains a higher voltage under load is better. So I would say it would work well to compare different battery brands, but try to keep the mAh rating close.
@wutupclegg66186 ай бұрын
@@andrewsarratore5932 now, if I can convince the wife to let be blow more money on testing more RC equipment. LOL...
@matthewharris75496 ай бұрын
Will it work with 1S lipos tho?
@andrewsarratore59326 ай бұрын
Yes it will! I'm going to post another progress video in the next few days, I'll do a 1s test
@claybrown16196 ай бұрын
MAN ABSOLUTELY AWESOME I DEFINITELY SEE WHY THIS BAD BOY WILL BE SUPA POPULAR WITH US NO PREP OUTLAW DRAG RACERS FOR SURE ESPECIALLY WITH THE WAY THEY'RE COMING OUT WITH NEW NO PREP OUTLAW BATTERY TECH AND IT'S EVER CHANGING TECHNOLOGY AND THANK YOU BROTHER FOR COMING OUT WITH THESE FRIGGIN AWESOME RACING TOOLS FOR US TO USE TO MAKE OUR RACING PROGRAMS BETTER AND OF COURSE FASTER!!! HEY BROTHER BY CHANCE WOULD YOU HAPPEN TO KNOW WHAT THE (KV RATING) & (R.P.M. RATING) IS FOR THE R1-WURKS VOLTA 4 POLE LEVEL 3 MOTOR IS CUZ I CANNOT FIND OUT ANYTHING ON IT MAN AND THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR HELPING ME OUT ON THIS MATTER MAN AND GOD BLESS YOU ✝️✝️✝️ SINCERELY CLAY B.
@wutupclegg66186 ай бұрын
Looks like I need to have to call 911 on you... You're killing it! Nice job Andrew.
@andrewsarratore59326 ай бұрын
Thanks Arnel! This project has actually been a lot of fun. Still lots to do, including designing a final enclosure.
@wutupclegg66186 ай бұрын
@@andrewsarratore5932 It also looks like a lot of work.
@xS.B.FEINx2696 ай бұрын
Shoot I'll buy one,very nice!
@wutupclegg66187 ай бұрын
67*C on the mosfets is pretty hot. Will you be adding a guard to prevent getting burned?
@andrewsarratore59327 ай бұрын
Yes, I plan to add a larger heatsink and fans, plus a cover of some sort.
@wutupclegg66187 ай бұрын
Genius! Nice work! Any thoughts on coming out with a Statormaster that will read the IR of a motor?
@andrewsarratore59327 ай бұрын
IR for the motor coils is difficult without a controlled environment. To do it right not only requires you to have your test equipment calibrated correctly, but to also account for the difference in temperature between the motor coils and the industry standard 25C. At the current point in time, it is not on my project list.
@raceroz7 ай бұрын
Great video, will be ordering a rotor master and load master today! One thought about your spreadsheet, add a column that divides Kv under load by Kv no load and that gives you a percent Kv maintained by the motor under load. I inputted into excel 3 of these motor tests from your spreadsheet in the video and added that column. The first 2 of your motors started maintaining around 93% to 94% Kv under load vs no load, then you start seeing the Kv percentage maintained start to drop as you increase timing and without fail that replicated exactly where you said you would time the motor. Also the percentage of Kv maintained under load appears to be indicative of rotor strength. You did not list in your spreadsheet the GAUSS rating for the earlier rotors, but on the 25.5 rotor you said it was on the weaker side of rotor strength, and when I inputted the Kv maintained under load divided by Kv with no load, that motor started out with 90% Kv maintained, whereas the earlier 2 motors started with about 94% Kv maintained under load. So % Kv maintained under load seems to indicate rotor strength. I’m going to order this system today and begin doing some testing. Would love to talk with you live on this, I friend requested you on facebook if you were interested in chatting excel and analytics. Thanks! Ken Peterson
@andrewsarratore59327 ай бұрын
Very interesting observation. Now I’m going to have to find time and run some more tests, lol. I’ll try to update the spreadsheet as well.
@lawton707 ай бұрын
R1 used to sell 1750+ gauss rotors. They must have gotten away from selling premium strength rotors separately.
@andrewsarratore59327 ай бұрын
I'm sure they have some. My 13.5 v21s super short is over 1700, I can't remember exactly how much over, but I was surprised to see it was. But I did send them an email asking about hand picked rotors, and their response was that they did not offer them.
@wutupclegg66187 ай бұрын
Very nice upgrades! What rotor had the strongest gauss reading, that you have tested?
@andrewsarratore59327 ай бұрын
So far a Trinity Copper rotor. Measured at 1767/1745
@wutupclegg66187 ай бұрын
@andrewsarratore5932 that's the same I received from a Surpass V6. What did your V6 measure?
@andrewsarratore59327 ай бұрын
@@wutupclegg6618 I can't remember the exact measurement, and I didn't write it down. But it was around 1750.
@claybrown16197 ай бұрын
Hey Brother I'm very impressed 👍 I was wondering though do you have a load master for the 550's my guess is that you do and if so I am thinking of getting a new R1-WURKS 550 4-POLE DRAG MOTOR for my R1-WURKS DC1 V2 OUTLAW DRAG CAR because everyone is telling me that it's the motor to get first where do I get one of your AWESOME load master's and what are your thoughts on the R1-WURKS 550 4-POLE DRAG MOTOR if you don't mind me asking you for some guidance on the matter and Thank You So Much Man and God Bless ✝️ Sincerely Clay B. and Speed Mob Racing 🏁
@andrewsarratore59327 ай бұрын
I do have a 550 Load Master on my site. Also just released a 550 Rotor Master as well. www.wmhracing.com
@andrewsarratore59327 ай бұрын
Just realized you asked about the R1 motor. So... I don't actually run 550 motors, I just run 1/10 540 motors for racing. That said, R1 makes some good motors. I generally find they are more on the torque side vs RPM side, but that doesn't mean the 550 motors are the same. I wish I could be more help.
@wft57697 ай бұрын
argh, lol
@mattjones76627 ай бұрын
What spring clips do you use in the top part of the mount?
@andrewsarratore59327 ай бұрын
They are AA, AAA, 9v battery clips
@ronniepena15877 ай бұрын
Will this be able to give you an avg voltage reading after the discharge is done at some point? Great work!
@andrewsarratore59327 ай бұрын
I'm still working on the data output. But I plan to have voltage readings every 15 seconds, and an average can be done as well. There will also be mah used, and hopefully I can figure out a good way to do an IR calc.
@thriftest7 ай бұрын
Could this be adapted to test brushed motors? I'm thinking using the brushed motor as the loaded slave, and you get the specs from the brushless esc side that is doing the driving?
@andrewsarratore59327 ай бұрын
I think you would be better off using my telemetry module to test the brushed motor. Just hook the brushed esc up to the module like I have the brushless side hooked up. To add, lol. RPM you will need a cheap tachometer though since I get the RPM through the sensors on the brushless motors. But you can use a piece of electrical tape on the couple to create a break so you can read the PRM with a tach, this was how I tested the RPM readings when I designed it.
@thriftest7 ай бұрын
@@andrewsarratore5932 wow cool. What do they go for?
@wutupclegg66187 ай бұрын
You are a busy man! Nice job!
@andrewsarratore59327 ай бұрын
Well you know, idle hands...
@latermisschien7 ай бұрын
Any idea when this will be available?
@andrewsarratore59327 ай бұрын
This is my next project on my list after my current project. Hopefully I will have something in the next few months.
@wutupclegg66188 ай бұрын
HEY.... I work for the government. That unit is a lot more accurate than we are. LOL... Another great product!
@wutupclegg66188 ай бұрын
Very nice! Are you planning on adding a knob to control the ESC instead of having to use the remote and receiver?
@andrewsarratore59328 ай бұрын
Well... I am undecided on using a knob or a touch screen with a slider. I have been programming a touch screen for another project, kind of makes sense to get another use out of it.
@wutupclegg66188 ай бұрын
@andrewsarratore5932 true, but a knob might be smoother and easier for the fat finger person. Also, if someone is looking for a specific spot. A knob might be better.
@lawton708 ай бұрын
Link in your video description?
@andrewsarratore59328 ай бұрын
I added the link, my ID needs to be verified by KZread before it is clickable.
@lawton708 ай бұрын
@@andrewsarratore5932 Perfect! I love the products. Will be getting the new versions for sure!
@lawton708 ай бұрын
Do you need the receiver? Could you use a servo tester to control the esc?
@andrewsarratore59328 ай бұрын
For the integrated unit, yes you could use a servo tester. I am actually going to design something into the unit, I didn't for initial one.
@tHe_ViL1aiN8 ай бұрын
🤔Add the ability to mount a 40mm fan to the vents
@andrewsarratore59328 ай бұрын
I can probably make an option part that is combined into the top. But unless you are pushing the motor pretty hard, it isn't needed.
@lawton708 ай бұрын
This is a great video! I see you are using a brushless motor for a load. Would it be better to use a brushed? With using a motor as a load will the load increase based on rpm of the slave motor? For example, say one test motor is 3000 kv and one test motor is 4000kv. Would the actual load on the 4000kv be higher because it is spinning the slave motor faster?
@andrewsarratore59328 ай бұрын
Yes, when increasing the test motor Kv and using the same slave you will increase the load. I am using brushless motors because most people have some for spares. You want to keep the slave around the same as the test. Higher wind slaves also produce more load.
@malkie08315 ай бұрын
The problem with using a brushed motor as a slave is brush and comm wear makes them inconsistent. With a Brushless all you need to worry about is variations with motor temperature..
@D00rGunner8 ай бұрын
Just ordered the loadmaster from DRC. Can't wait to test some motors. Is this spreadsheet available?
@andrewsarratore59328 ай бұрын
The spread sheet is on my wmhracing Facebook page and website. www.wmhracing.com
@D00rGunner8 ай бұрын
@@andrewsarratore5932 Thanks.
@grantoverend18 ай бұрын
Thanks very much for your video. Very interesting results and I'm impressed you put that out so quickly! Quite surprised by the results you got from your Slot Machine in particular. I was suggested by the Slot Machine FB group to time it around 42.5 and to gear it (72/26-28). Anyways, I've not been really impressed by the motor and based upon your results wonder if I've been sent in the wrong direction to start. Will try timing it up and gearing the ratio up to see what it does. I'm in Australia and luckily can run it till the end of the year. Looks like replacements wont be around till April/May next year. The other motor I'm considering buying is a Surpass V6 which I like the idea of as I actually started with a V5R and was mostly happy with. Keep up the good work!
@andrewsarratore59328 ай бұрын
I was a little surprised by the Slot Machine #s as well. I have heard multiple times about timing it at lower values, like 40-42.5. But I also know that one of the faster racers at a local track run it (well used to anyway) at a higher timing. As to the Surpass V6, that motor does look pretty good. I'll run the G4 this weekend, and the next time I go out I'll try out the Surpass.
@grantoverend18 ай бұрын
I'd be curious to know what your experience is using the HW on track vs the others as well. What gearing are you going for?
@andrewsarratore59328 ай бұрын
@grantoverend1, I'm going to start with 72/24 and measure temps from there. Honestly, gearing is a guess at this point.
@andrewsarratore59328 ай бұрын
I ended up with 72/22 gearing on the Hobbywing G4. In the main I ran the R1 v21 super short at 72/25. R1 had more punch. Go figure... I turned the same times with both motors, it isn't the motor holding me back!
@grantoverend18 ай бұрын
@@andrewsarratore5932 Makes sense that our driving is the limitation but interesting that you felt the increased punch with the R1. I'd be curious to know how you find that against the Rocket & Trinity. I ran my Slot Machine w red rotor on the weekend at 50° and 78/26 (7.5) during practice. Unfortunately our track had just been re-oiled so grip was not typical but I did like the feel of the motor. Will try it again once track is better.
@grantoverend18 ай бұрын
great video Andrew. Really cool way of testing without a dyno! I noticed this is the plot for an R1 v21, do you have any other motors you could share data on? I know there will be variance as per different motors within a batch but would still be interesting.
@andrewsarratore59328 ай бұрын
I have a Hobbywing G4 13.5 that I tested a couple of nights ago. I'll make a video on that. Other than that, I have a Reedy SP5 21.5, couple of Rocket v6s, and a lot of Slot Machines, lol.
@grantoverend18 ай бұрын
Cool, I look forward to the new vids... I've also got a Slot Machine 13.5 W Red rotor, even tho they're banned it would still be interesting to see where their sweet spot is...
@wutupclegg66188 ай бұрын
That is genius! You make me feel so dumb for not already doing that. LOL... I make graphs all the time and I never thought of making a graph for these tests.
@andrewsarratore59328 ай бұрын
You're doing a fine job with your videos! But thanks!
@grantoverend18 ай бұрын
Dude, could you add some of this data to your vids? that'd make your vids even more awesome!
@wutupclegg66189 ай бұрын
Nice trays. Now I have to go get me one! I working with my Tunalyzer, last night, and I was thinking "I wonder when WMH will come out with a holder." Well... here we are.
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Why is the version after the update lower than the one you installed?
At the time I made the video a downgrade was needed to get the max discharge rate with the iCharger. Shortly after making the video iCharger released a new firmware that fixed their bug.
Running with the phases misaligned will cause the motor to spin the wrong direction. It could cause errand sensor readings on the analyzer but should not hurt the analyzer.. Still best practice.. hook it up correctly
I'm glad Donathen's website has the current console and firmware for these chargers.
AWESOME VIDEO BROTHER 👍 AND I'VE GOT A QUESTION FOR YOU ABOUT THE MOTOLYSER 2 I JUST GOT ONE AND I AM WANTING TO KNOW CAN I TEST A R1-WURKS VOLTA LEVEL-3 4-POLE DRAG MOTOR ON IT IT'S GOT IN THE SYSTEM INFO, BUILD# rc3.2.2-593c AND Ble v1.3.72-a9aa WITH BUILD DATE OF 1-11-23 I JUST DON'T WANT TO MESS ANYTHING UP AND I'M GOING TO BE ORDERING YOUR 550 TESTING CARRIER SOON THANKS FOR ANY HELP YOU CAN GIVE ME BROTHER GOD BLESS ✝️ SINCERELY CLAY B.
I can't say with that particular motor, but I have tested 4 pole motors on my MotolyserII. The RPM will be off due to the two more poles, but the motor ran fine.
@@andrewsarratore5932 OK BROTHER THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR HELPING ME OUT WITH THAT AND THE 550 LOAD MASTER WILL WORK WITH IT RIGHT? I HOPE SO CUZ I'M WANTING TO ORDER ONE FROM YOU MAN GOD BLESS ✝️ SINCERELY CLAY B.
@@claybrown1619 Looking at the Volta 4 pole, I would think it would work. I didn't test any R1 drag motors, just a Tekin and a Maclan.
@@andrewsarratore5932OK BROTHER THANK YOU I'M GOING TO GET IT ANYWAY MAN BECAUSE I ALSO HAVE BOTH OF THOSE TO THANK YOU BROTHER FOR ALL OF YOUR HELP AND GOD BLESS ✝️ SINCERELY CLAY B.
Really cool man . Great seeing the little guy help out the hobby.
Thx for sharing
How much more of a discharge do you get. Is it for all discharge banks?
You can get the max discharge rate of the Icharger with the newest firmware updates. V1.14 The new firmware should work for all banks designed to work with the Icharger.
What would be the max discharge rate If the firmware was updated to the latest version?
@@1dirtovalracer That is dependent on the model of Icharger you have. This doesn't change the models specifications. The firmware fixes the Ichargers not getting to their documented max discharge rate.
I have a 456, 406 and 4010. I use a 4 or 5 resistor battery bank and on my 406 and 4010 it maxes out at 40 amps .
@@1dirtovalracer 40A is max for the 406 and 4010. 456 max is 45A. The problem is some firmware versions of the current Ichargers will not allow you to get to the max discharge rate. This is just a video to help those upgrade their firmware.
Nice video! When do you ever find time to make these videos when you have all those other projects going on?
Grab my phone stand and do one take, including sneezes, lol.
@@andrewsarratore5932 Perfect!
Could you add a ball detent on the motolyser tray to locate on those rear screw holes? Just ordered the full setup from exalt. Can't wait to have a motolyser!
We have built up the back side of the Motolyser base so the clip keys in and holds it better. We haven't posted any new photos of it, but be on the look out! However, it will only work with WHM Racing Load Master's. Other companies products are not the same shape as ours.
why wouldnt i just connect an appropriate resistor bank to my charger and do it that way? you can build a resistor bank for less than $40, fans and all
You can connect resistor banks to your charger, but your charger won't get to the discharge rate very fast. I use ichargers and they take about 30-45 seconds to get to the actual discharge rate. Also to see all the data you have to hook it up to your computer. My unit gets to the discharge rate quickly, 2 seconds for a 2s battery at 20A, and all the data is on screen, no need to hook up to your computer.
You really have me getting an itch to start testing batteries now.
I think you should test all the batteries!
@@andrewsarratore5932 Brother, I would love to. However, my bank account is trying to keep up with the motors. I will do more as soon as I get time to finish my motor tester and my wife allows me to burn more money on motors.
Another great video! I'm always excited to see what you have in the works.
As always Mr Clegg, thank you for the kind words!
Hi. If you change the load motor does the motor your testing load v current cross over point change?
I think I said in the video that the intersecting point was a coincidence. One of the motors I tested wasn't close to that point, also higher turn motors don't follow that trend either. But the drop off should stay relatively the same with different slave motors.
My 13.5 g4 at 46 degrees 6.6 amp with 4130kv 34283rpm
In my video I am using the HW Tunalyzer which regulates the voltage to 7.4V. If you are using a Tunalyzer and getting that much more RPM, then my motor is clearly not as good. But even then, what is your KV under load?
@@andrewsarratore5932 have not done it with load it was the handout motor for the rc chili bowl
@@andrewsarratore5932 I am still learning about the motor side of RC since doing more spec racing
What will these retail for? Any ETA on release date?
I have parts coming in to make a handful of prototypes that I am sending out for people to test with and give feedback. Once I get the feedback I'll make my final design. I'm not sure on price yet, it will depend on what has to change to the final product.
@@andrewsarratore5932 Thanks Andrew!
put me on the pre-order list....LOL Wil Jones, WFR racing
So, how well would this work if I wanted to compare different battery brands?
Well, it will put the predetermined load on whatever battery you choose. So you will be able to see voltage vs time of the battery. If you have 2 6000 mAh packs, the one that maintains a higher voltage under load is better. So I would say it would work well to compare different battery brands, but try to keep the mAh rating close.
@@andrewsarratore5932 now, if I can convince the wife to let be blow more money on testing more RC equipment. LOL...
Will it work with 1S lipos tho?
Yes it will! I'm going to post another progress video in the next few days, I'll do a 1s test
MAN ABSOLUTELY AWESOME I DEFINITELY SEE WHY THIS BAD BOY WILL BE SUPA POPULAR WITH US NO PREP OUTLAW DRAG RACERS FOR SURE ESPECIALLY WITH THE WAY THEY'RE COMING OUT WITH NEW NO PREP OUTLAW BATTERY TECH AND IT'S EVER CHANGING TECHNOLOGY AND THANK YOU BROTHER FOR COMING OUT WITH THESE FRIGGIN AWESOME RACING TOOLS FOR US TO USE TO MAKE OUR RACING PROGRAMS BETTER AND OF COURSE FASTER!!! HEY BROTHER BY CHANCE WOULD YOU HAPPEN TO KNOW WHAT THE (KV RATING) & (R.P.M. RATING) IS FOR THE R1-WURKS VOLTA 4 POLE LEVEL 3 MOTOR IS CUZ I CANNOT FIND OUT ANYTHING ON IT MAN AND THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR HELPING ME OUT ON THIS MATTER MAN AND GOD BLESS YOU ✝️✝️✝️ SINCERELY CLAY B.
Looks like I need to have to call 911 on you... You're killing it! Nice job Andrew.
Thanks Arnel! This project has actually been a lot of fun. Still lots to do, including designing a final enclosure.
@@andrewsarratore5932 It also looks like a lot of work.
Shoot I'll buy one,very nice!
67*C on the mosfets is pretty hot. Will you be adding a guard to prevent getting burned?
Yes, I plan to add a larger heatsink and fans, plus a cover of some sort.
Genius! Nice work! Any thoughts on coming out with a Statormaster that will read the IR of a motor?
IR for the motor coils is difficult without a controlled environment. To do it right not only requires you to have your test equipment calibrated correctly, but to also account for the difference in temperature between the motor coils and the industry standard 25C. At the current point in time, it is not on my project list.
Great video, will be ordering a rotor master and load master today! One thought about your spreadsheet, add a column that divides Kv under load by Kv no load and that gives you a percent Kv maintained by the motor under load. I inputted into excel 3 of these motor tests from your spreadsheet in the video and added that column. The first 2 of your motors started maintaining around 93% to 94% Kv under load vs no load, then you start seeing the Kv percentage maintained start to drop as you increase timing and without fail that replicated exactly where you said you would time the motor. Also the percentage of Kv maintained under load appears to be indicative of rotor strength. You did not list in your spreadsheet the GAUSS rating for the earlier rotors, but on the 25.5 rotor you said it was on the weaker side of rotor strength, and when I inputted the Kv maintained under load divided by Kv with no load, that motor started out with 90% Kv maintained, whereas the earlier 2 motors started with about 94% Kv maintained under load. So % Kv maintained under load seems to indicate rotor strength. I’m going to order this system today and begin doing some testing. Would love to talk with you live on this, I friend requested you on facebook if you were interested in chatting excel and analytics. Thanks! Ken Peterson
Very interesting observation. Now I’m going to have to find time and run some more tests, lol. I’ll try to update the spreadsheet as well.
R1 used to sell 1750+ gauss rotors. They must have gotten away from selling premium strength rotors separately.
I'm sure they have some. My 13.5 v21s super short is over 1700, I can't remember exactly how much over, but I was surprised to see it was. But I did send them an email asking about hand picked rotors, and their response was that they did not offer them.
Very nice upgrades! What rotor had the strongest gauss reading, that you have tested?
So far a Trinity Copper rotor. Measured at 1767/1745
@andrewsarratore5932 that's the same I received from a Surpass V6. What did your V6 measure?
@@wutupclegg6618 I can't remember the exact measurement, and I didn't write it down. But it was around 1750.
Hey Brother I'm very impressed 👍 I was wondering though do you have a load master for the 550's my guess is that you do and if so I am thinking of getting a new R1-WURKS 550 4-POLE DRAG MOTOR for my R1-WURKS DC1 V2 OUTLAW DRAG CAR because everyone is telling me that it's the motor to get first where do I get one of your AWESOME load master's and what are your thoughts on the R1-WURKS 550 4-POLE DRAG MOTOR if you don't mind me asking you for some guidance on the matter and Thank You So Much Man and God Bless ✝️ Sincerely Clay B. and Speed Mob Racing 🏁
I do have a 550 Load Master on my site. Also just released a 550 Rotor Master as well. www.wmhracing.com
Just realized you asked about the R1 motor. So... I don't actually run 550 motors, I just run 1/10 540 motors for racing. That said, R1 makes some good motors. I generally find they are more on the torque side vs RPM side, but that doesn't mean the 550 motors are the same. I wish I could be more help.
argh, lol
What spring clips do you use in the top part of the mount?
They are AA, AAA, 9v battery clips
Will this be able to give you an avg voltage reading after the discharge is done at some point? Great work!
I'm still working on the data output. But I plan to have voltage readings every 15 seconds, and an average can be done as well. There will also be mah used, and hopefully I can figure out a good way to do an IR calc.
Could this be adapted to test brushed motors? I'm thinking using the brushed motor as the loaded slave, and you get the specs from the brushless esc side that is doing the driving?
I think you would be better off using my telemetry module to test the brushed motor. Just hook the brushed esc up to the module like I have the brushless side hooked up. To add, lol. RPM you will need a cheap tachometer though since I get the RPM through the sensors on the brushless motors. But you can use a piece of electrical tape on the couple to create a break so you can read the PRM with a tach, this was how I tested the RPM readings when I designed it.
@@andrewsarratore5932 wow cool. What do they go for?
You are a busy man! Nice job!
Well you know, idle hands...
Any idea when this will be available?
This is my next project on my list after my current project. Hopefully I will have something in the next few months.
HEY.... I work for the government. That unit is a lot more accurate than we are. LOL... Another great product!
Very nice! Are you planning on adding a knob to control the ESC instead of having to use the remote and receiver?
Well... I am undecided on using a knob or a touch screen with a slider. I have been programming a touch screen for another project, kind of makes sense to get another use out of it.
@andrewsarratore5932 true, but a knob might be smoother and easier for the fat finger person. Also, if someone is looking for a specific spot. A knob might be better.
Link in your video description?
I added the link, my ID needs to be verified by KZread before it is clickable.
@@andrewsarratore5932 Perfect! I love the products. Will be getting the new versions for sure!
Do you need the receiver? Could you use a servo tester to control the esc?
For the integrated unit, yes you could use a servo tester. I am actually going to design something into the unit, I didn't for initial one.
🤔Add the ability to mount a 40mm fan to the vents
I can probably make an option part that is combined into the top. But unless you are pushing the motor pretty hard, it isn't needed.
This is a great video! I see you are using a brushless motor for a load. Would it be better to use a brushed? With using a motor as a load will the load increase based on rpm of the slave motor? For example, say one test motor is 3000 kv and one test motor is 4000kv. Would the actual load on the 4000kv be higher because it is spinning the slave motor faster?
Yes, when increasing the test motor Kv and using the same slave you will increase the load. I am using brushless motors because most people have some for spares. You want to keep the slave around the same as the test. Higher wind slaves also produce more load.
The problem with using a brushed motor as a slave is brush and comm wear makes them inconsistent. With a Brushless all you need to worry about is variations with motor temperature..
Just ordered the loadmaster from DRC. Can't wait to test some motors. Is this spreadsheet available?
The spread sheet is on my wmhracing Facebook page and website. www.wmhracing.com
@@andrewsarratore5932 Thanks.
Thanks very much for your video. Very interesting results and I'm impressed you put that out so quickly! Quite surprised by the results you got from your Slot Machine in particular. I was suggested by the Slot Machine FB group to time it around 42.5 and to gear it (72/26-28). Anyways, I've not been really impressed by the motor and based upon your results wonder if I've been sent in the wrong direction to start. Will try timing it up and gearing the ratio up to see what it does. I'm in Australia and luckily can run it till the end of the year. Looks like replacements wont be around till April/May next year. The other motor I'm considering buying is a Surpass V6 which I like the idea of as I actually started with a V5R and was mostly happy with. Keep up the good work!
I was a little surprised by the Slot Machine #s as well. I have heard multiple times about timing it at lower values, like 40-42.5. But I also know that one of the faster racers at a local track run it (well used to anyway) at a higher timing. As to the Surpass V6, that motor does look pretty good. I'll run the G4 this weekend, and the next time I go out I'll try out the Surpass.
I'd be curious to know what your experience is using the HW on track vs the others as well. What gearing are you going for?
@grantoverend1, I'm going to start with 72/24 and measure temps from there. Honestly, gearing is a guess at this point.
I ended up with 72/22 gearing on the Hobbywing G4. In the main I ran the R1 v21 super short at 72/25. R1 had more punch. Go figure... I turned the same times with both motors, it isn't the motor holding me back!
@@andrewsarratore5932 Makes sense that our driving is the limitation but interesting that you felt the increased punch with the R1. I'd be curious to know how you find that against the Rocket & Trinity. I ran my Slot Machine w red rotor on the weekend at 50° and 78/26 (7.5) during practice. Unfortunately our track had just been re-oiled so grip was not typical but I did like the feel of the motor. Will try it again once track is better.
great video Andrew. Really cool way of testing without a dyno! I noticed this is the plot for an R1 v21, do you have any other motors you could share data on? I know there will be variance as per different motors within a batch but would still be interesting.
I have a Hobbywing G4 13.5 that I tested a couple of nights ago. I'll make a video on that. Other than that, I have a Reedy SP5 21.5, couple of Rocket v6s, and a lot of Slot Machines, lol.
Cool, I look forward to the new vids... I've also got a Slot Machine 13.5 W Red rotor, even tho they're banned it would still be interesting to see where their sweet spot is...
That is genius! You make me feel so dumb for not already doing that. LOL... I make graphs all the time and I never thought of making a graph for these tests.
You're doing a fine job with your videos! But thanks!
Dude, could you add some of this data to your vids? that'd make your vids even more awesome!
Nice trays. Now I have to go get me one! I working with my Tunalyzer, last night, and I was thinking "I wonder when WMH will come out with a holder." Well... here we are.
And the Tunalyzer version turned out the best!