Good narration, editing, great build. But you really should get some studio lights!
@jondraw4 күн бұрын
Yes. Design wise. Yes. Imagine that design with modern hardware. Splooge.
@fatpanda15974 күн бұрын
You actually bought something on facebook marketplace and didn't get scammed, congrats! xD
@hb19494 күн бұрын
Fast startup enabled on the P14s right? I turned that stuff off the moment I got mine.
@hb19495 күн бұрын
By the way, 560Z was from 1998 and not 1996. Original 560 was from 1996 is the model I have, which I have kept since bough new in Japan back in 1996. Made in Japan, simply the best.
@hb19495 күн бұрын
I have been using ThinkPad since 1996. IBM made ThinkPads were not immune to poor quality materials and designs. They did break but most of the time the repair process was not hard and parts were easily obtainable. Demand for bulky upgradable machines are not there any more. People want lightweight and longer battery. Good to see repairability make a come back on the gen 5 T14 and patterning with ifixit. I’m sure framework and people like Louise Rossman helped push for more sustainable modern computing.
@Thegoldmine17 күн бұрын
Karroo Island should be French much like how off Canada you have St Pierre Miquellon
@borayurt667 күн бұрын
I am still using my (Lenovo) ThinkPad X270 (released in 2017) with i7 (7th Gen) 16GB RAM and 256GB SSD. I think it is the last ThinkPad that is true to its origins and heritage. All the models came after the X270 are just too flimsy to deserve the ThinkPad logo on them. Now I see they are trying to get back to their roots with the new ThinkPad X13 Gen 4, which is a small step in the right direction.
@SuperShynobi8 күн бұрын
I have a t450s touchscreen full HD. Wonderful🤩👍
@BettyBo-zg1ok12 күн бұрын
My 3770k was $12 on eBay, where the heck were you shopping? Also, I recently found that the Asus B85M-G has full XP driver support from their website. You'll want to check the CPU BIOS compatibility and grab one that works with BIOS 0306 first just in case, if you plan to put a different CPU in it. The seller I bought mine from said they used a 4770k to check it, which showed as compatible with 0306, but I personally used a 4570s and upgraded to the 4790s after I updated the BIOS. I attribute my lack of the rest of the issues to using XP "Integral Edition." My Linux part is NTFS cuz I figured XP would play more nicely, so I can't speak to those EXT4 issues, either. And, I've literally never had an EVGA PSU explode on me.
@jose282214 күн бұрын
I also had an idea similar to yours, I bought an AM2+ board with 4GB DDR2, I put a phenom 6x II 1055T and an HD 6770 on it, but I have not installed Windows XP, but I have installed Windows 8.1, when I have time and I got another hard drive and a CD drive, I totally turned it into a Windows XP(with linux distro) era PC
@sergeyshakurov196215 күн бұрын
Yes, classic ThinkPads Really Better Than New Ones !!!
@AutumnGarnet15 күн бұрын
Strange question, but what's the contemplative music you use in the middle section of the video?
@unnamed71517 күн бұрын
EVGA PSUs blow up?? Bro since when? 🤨EVGA is one of the most reputable brands out there. I have a Supernova G2 from 10 years ago that still works like new!
@Retro.Reverie17 күн бұрын
There’s a specific model that was having trouble when I uploaded the video, they had to do a massive recall that went poorly. I think Gamers Nexus covered it
@SimonBauer719 күн бұрын
14:34 sorry but that isnt a weird idea at all, heck it isnt even a new one. these so called convertibles have been around for years.
@Retro.Reverie17 күн бұрын
I think that was my point 🤔 idk as a KZreadr I’m automatically wrong
@Thaleios21 күн бұрын
Yeah, I used thinkpads in the mid-late 90s for work, Pentium and PII models and you should just use the built in ethernet port and connect to your network and copy the files. If your laptop is so old you don't have ethernet, just use a null modem serial cable and copy from another pc(although I'm guessing your new pc doesn't have serial). We also used pcmcia wifi cards in these. I had some of the first 802.11a and b cards that should work fine in those laptops.
@RicardoRamosRetrocomputacao24 күн бұрын
I'm a technician and notebook collector. Yes, the old ones are infinitely better than the current ones. The current ones are just crap for young guys, with a single board, soldered processor, thin, soft plastic, not upgradeable, and will probably die under warranty.
@santhypaezyeah10 күн бұрын
what do you recommend then big guy
@RicardoRamosRetrocomputacao10 күн бұрын
@@santhypaezyeah Simple: Try to investigate the model before purchasing. Don't buy junk with a soldered processor, avoid anything that calls itself "gamer" without having a GPU connected to the motherboard via a connector.
@xBINARYGODx25 күн бұрын
Fun fact, Lenovo is still #1: "The number one PC maker globally is Lenovo. As of 2023, Lenovo held the largest market share in the global personal computer market with 24.8%. This includes desktop computers, laptop computers, and netbooks, but excludes mobile devices that do not fall under the category of 2-in-1 PCs. Lenovo has been the global market leader every year since 2013. The second and third largest PC makers are HP and Dell, with market shares of 21.9% and 16.6% respectively." HP not THAT far behind, interestingly enough.
@xBINARYGODx25 күн бұрын
God I love the TrackPoint - my first and only ThinkPad (T40) used for college, and I was not sure about that little red nub, but once using it, I learned fast to love it and despise touch pads.
@xBINARYGODx25 күн бұрын
People should be happy enough that newer ThinkPad's didn't do that 16:9 garbage, but yes, always desire more!
@Pretender627 күн бұрын
My second laptop, allow to use this for/in school as i had terrible hand writing
@remoschramm28 күн бұрын
nice video and a very nice thinkpad i call a thinkpad 570e my own i highly suggest to get some pcmcia cards e.g. usb 2.0 and lan it makes things a lot more easy
@Retro.Reverie28 күн бұрын
Great tip, I’ll look for those 👌
@marvinochieng629529 күн бұрын
I use an x260 and this machine is good for work and general use. I plan to buy X1 carbon with 8th or 9th gen cpu as an upgrade
@charleshines214229 күн бұрын
Also when you first plug a floppy drive in make sure no disk is in there. It may ruin the disk. Something like that happened to a disk with a USB floppy drive and there is no way to recover it that I can find. Lucky for me it was just a file on it I could easily replace. I could not format the disk either. I am not sure what happened to it but it simply would not be a usable disk any more.
@tommytomthms5Ай бұрын
you don't need dosbox, that laptop has actual dos installed natively
@Retro.ReverieАй бұрын
Am I able to run the installed games by running the batch files in DOS?
@eustab.anas-mann951029 күн бұрын
@@Retro.Reverie@Retro.Reverie look up DOOM manual on Games database. Page 2..
@eustab.anas-mann951029 күн бұрын
Dosbox is completely redundant. Fullscreen FTW
@remoschramm28 күн бұрын
@@Retro.Reverie that's right, why use an emulator, when you have the real thing right at your fingertips (and don't have the overhead of windows and dosbox) you can just reboot into dos mode
@Mordecrox26 күн бұрын
These are the reasons I still keep some old mobos, up to Pentium IV, for their ability to natively boot up DOS and install Win98.
@archaicfossil4263Ай бұрын
nice
@UhfgoodАй бұрын
Didn't know they were still around. I don't need much nowadays, since I don't tend to play games as much, and I don't have much reason for outputting to speakers any way.
@Retro.ReverieАй бұрын
That’s fair. Really the only use is for audiophiles and musicians imo. I do think the interface included with the upper offerings is real clever, much more affordable than similar pro audio gear
@ivanfrangugic8355Ай бұрын
I thimk they did not lost much exept keybords, and removable battery. I am sdave ing for one, because i know they will e modern eaven after 10 years ( i am talking about upgredability). THE THINKPAD IS ONLY GOOD THINK FROM US
@benezenАй бұрын
YES x230 x220 t430 w541 t440p all better than modern laptops
@huh5950Ай бұрын
I personally decided to go for a dual thinkpad approach. A Thin and light and an upgradable one, best of both worlds and lets be honest, since the upgradable older ones cost so little I invested on a ehin and light used relatively new one (3 year old x1 carbon) and then Ill easiky save uo for an older upgradable one (might have made a mistake taking a t450s since theres more upgradable ones but it was 100 bucks, Im happy, thats all that matters)
@hypocriticalharambe8274Ай бұрын
13:19 yap i am still yelling from my W520 about that keyboard I have used newer laptops like the T480 I own but I always go back to my older W520 in the end as I have over 20 years of using the 7 row in turn my typing speed and accuracy plummets with the newer ones.
@catriona_drummondАй бұрын
Still running a X220 but it's really getting long in the teeth. That modern Thinkpad actually looks really nice on the inside. Everything accessible after you got the bottom off. Try tearing into an HP or Toshiba and it becomes an absolute slaughter jut to replace that BIOS battery. (bottom off, screw under the bottom out, keyboard out, screw under the keyboard out, motherboard out, on the backside of the motherboard.... etc.
@SamJDHАй бұрын
Be inside. Meh
@victor64nАй бұрын
ever since im 16 i heard from the thinkpad culture on internet forums but never had the opportunity to buy one, now that i work in an industry that requieres strong computer power everywhere i got an used p series workstation but i still want a classic one, they look so cool :(
@ufukpolat3480Ай бұрын
Newer Thinkpads aren't the most useful workstations. In the past, they had good servicability, upgrade options, ran cool and quiet despite powerful components. Of course this is all relative to alternative offerings at the time. Nowadays, they try to be Macbooks for business oriented people and fail utterly as a price/performance/features proposition. Most high end gaming laptops do a much better job of keeping components running at their full capacity for longer while creating less noise and costing less. It's merely the aesthetics of a ThinkPad which remains and the knob. Sure keyboards are good, but they're objectively worse than older generations.
@x0vg5hs1Ай бұрын
I did not notice the decline untill my 495 dropped and USBC connector got wrecked. It's charging port that breaks every year and is not on doughter board so you must desolder it. 2 more de-solders and my mobo is gone. I am getting Latitude next. They are equally shitty last 20 years.
@janusuАй бұрын
Thanks for a great presentation. I love my T60p. I've got Ubuntu on it now. I've been thinking about switching to another distro, but had a bit of a challenge getting the graphics card driver installed, so I'm worried about going through that again. There was a lot of screen artifacting, and it would often be blank on boot up before I got that sorted out. I'm planning to get a larger drive so I can partition it for a bare-metal linux distro and Windows for retro-gaming. I'd like to get a newer Lenovo model that can handle more modern Windows, but is still in the spirit of the earlier IBM models. I need to do a bit more research to decide which fits my needs.
@vicolin61262 ай бұрын
I think what a lot of people mean when they say that older Thinkpads are more serviceable than newer iterations is the fact that they are way more modular. Broken power port? Take the laptop apart, put in a new charging port - plug & play. Broken keyboard? Same thing. Need to upgrade the Wifi? Possible, but might need to work around a stupid whitelist. Newer Thinkpads often suffer from the un-modularity of other modern laptops - EVERYTHING i soldered onto the motherboard, except storage and MAYBE RAM.
@timd9022 ай бұрын
Typo in the title, that's a windows 7/8 era pc.
@Retro.Reverie17 күн бұрын
You’re not wrong and may have just inspired a new idea for it
@Deadguy2322forreal2 ай бұрын
Well, I never had a classic Thinkpad have a BIOS issue that won't let you wake it from sleep if the charger is connected, an Issue I had with a 2023 model due to an issue in the USB-C handling of the BIOS, which Lenovo did not fix after three BIOS updates in a 2-month span, so...
@IronicTonic82 ай бұрын
Respect to the TNG playing in the background.
@FreudRulz2 ай бұрын
I used to have an old 1997 model ThinkPad (I don't recall the exact model, sorry), which I absolutely adored, and I've *yearned* for one of the newer ones for years specifically because of that experience. This year I got lucky enough to be able to upgrade my very worn out HP laptop to a T495 (2018, so not super new) and I gotta say that for all the griping I've read online about how the 480 was the "last true Thinkpad," this thing truly lives up to everything I loved about that old '97 model I used well into the 2010s from the late aughts. The keyboard just feels RIGHT, the track pad is very above average for a laptop, and it is, of course, extremely serviceable. I do regret some of the changes Lenovo made with that generation (M.2 storage only? Come on.) but overall it is a wonderful machine, and it's definitely cemented for me that I'd rather go without a laptop entirely than get something other than another Thinkpad.
@GNU_Linux_for_good2 ай бұрын
That was super interesting. Just bought a refurbished X390; the fullHD-resolution (compared to X220's) was worth it. _Thanks_
@beickus2 ай бұрын
i m writing on my x61t and t500 - blow even my t420 and w520 i dont consider later models because they lack 7row kb
@MGMan372 ай бұрын
I had an X230 and swapped to the X220 classic-style non-chiclet keyboard. I may be blaspheming but I didn't find the X220 keyboard typing feel to be notably better. I think the newer thinkpad chiclet-style keyboard is still best-in-class among laptop brands. If I had to choose again I don't think I would bother doing it. I think the main benefit of the old style is the 7th row or the pure aesthetic vibe. Really the main IBM-era thinkpad feature I miss most is the downward-sloping front edge of the palmrest.
@one_step_sideways2 ай бұрын
The ThinkPad T480 is the best one, if you were to buy yourself a ThinkPad today and hoping to use it for 5 more years into the future. It's the last of the proper ThinkPads with its unparalleled modularity, Power Bridge tech, yet it has a 4-core ULV undervoltable processor, Thunderbolt 3 (has support for at least 2 external monitors at once, something Macbooks can't have), NVMe drives, and 72Wh external batteries available for it for $40. It's also the only proper ThinkPad to officially and fully support Windows 11, and even if you don't want to use Windows - the extra performance due to the 4 cores it has will surely be useful for you. Do not confuse the T480 with the T480s. The T480s is garbage, and Lenovo made a huge mistake trying to base all their subsequent ThinkPads off of T480s instead of the T480. Like what were they thinking? Sure, ditch the Power Bridge technology - but don't lock us away by forcing us to have just 54Wh at most with the internal batteries, and don't try to meme us into planned obsolescence by throwing away replaceable batteries, 2 RAM slots, easy repairability and general robustness of the thick and sturdy laptop like the T480. I mean, it's so bad that the T480 is _faster_ than the more modern T490 due to the RAM upgradability alone, not even considering the heatsink upgrade for the T480 that would let you run the CPU at 30W or more (if it's a combined CPU+iGPU load). We don't care about if it's going to be 200 grams heavier - Lenovo didn't give us a proper ThinkPad, then they can cry all they want about people refusing to buy into the modern slop and continuing to only buy used old ThinkPads.
@Mr.RomanShows2 ай бұрын
Last year I changed T440s to T480s. And I need to say that old one T440s was better. Really. In different things. But slow and heavy. I like my new T480s but sometimes I think… display terrible, keyboard not so perfect but still good, Traci point sometimes moving itself, touch pad is worse… ahhh…😅 Quality drops.
@one_step_sideways2 ай бұрын
That's because you should've bought a T480. T480s and T490 onwards are frankly trash. It's so bad that the T480 is _faster_ than the T490 due to the double RAM sticks alone, letting you run up to 64GB RAM in dual-channel with fast 2x8R sticks.
@Mr.RomanShows2 ай бұрын
@@one_step_sideways I have no problems with my T480s performance. I not need T480 more fatty and heavy. And also I have 8+16 GB ram and happy with it.
@one_step_sideways2 ай бұрын
@@Mr.RomanShows But you don't understand that if you fill up more than 16GB of your RAM, the remaining amount of RAM you have will be working in single-channel. That is a major hit to performance. The T480 is barely 200 grams heavier than the T480 and is only 2mm thicker - are you made of soy, that you decided to buy an inferior laptop because it's 200 grams lighter? And are you using your ThinkPad as a typewriter if you think you don't have any problems with its performance? If so, then you could've bought yourself a used Macbook Air just as easily, which would have been lighter, although it would be even less useful. Anyone who wants laptops that are 200 grams lighter and 2mm thinner and want to trade away the battery life and upgradability for that are the exact reason why the laptop market has gone so bad since 2014 and why we can't have actually good laptops like the T480 anymore. Don't believe me? Look how they massacred the Asus ROG Zephyrus G14/G16 lineup this year compared to 2023. And they now cost $2000 on average. And they would get obsolete in 3 years, because they were designed to.
@one_step_sideways2 ай бұрын
@@Mr.RomanShows But you don't understand that if you fill up more than 16GB of your RAM, the remaining amount of RAM you have will be working in single-channel. That is a major hit to performance. The T480 is barely 200 grams heavier than the T480 and is only 2mm thicker - are you made of soy, that you decided to buy an inferior laptop because it's 200 grams lighter? And are you using your ThinkPad as a typewriter if you think you don't have any problems with its performance? If so, then you could've bought yourself a used Macbook Air just as easily, which would have been lighter, although it would be even less useful.
@one_step_sideways2 ай бұрын
@@Mr.RomanShows Anyone who wants laptops that are 200 grams lighter and 2mm thinner and want to trade away the battery life and upgradability for that are the exact reason why the laptop market has gone so bad since 2014 and why we can't have actually good laptops like the T480 anymore. Don't believe me? Look how they massa cred the Asus ROG Zephyrus G14/G16 lineup this year compared to 2023. And they now cost $2000 on average. And they would get obsolete in 3 years, because they were designed to. Lenovo does the same since the T490 now, by basing it off the T480s, which is bad.
@GGShinobi772 ай бұрын
Have you ever tried Linux on your old Thinkpad? 🐧
@Retro.Reverie2 ай бұрын
What distros would you recommend? Retro or new. I’ve thought about trying Kolibre OS but had bad luck
@LeonardoSantos-kt2mo3 ай бұрын
ótimo vídeo
@sebastian197453 ай бұрын
Great build. I do not actually care about the "period correct" stuff, I do care about the computer to work as I intend to. If I want a fast computer, I use fast components, and for a slo computer I will use older components. I like XP on new hardware (core CPU first-second gen), as it is fast, can have plenty of memory and not on the "period correct" slower Pentium 3 with max 1.5G SDRAM. To add AHCI drivers to XP (32 or 64), there are 3 ways, as far as I know.. First, is to slipstream them into the XP installation amd make a CD that have them. Pros: you have that CD and use it any time to reinstall on that motherboard (or one with the same chipset); you can also add another drivers like chipset, sound, video, can add also some programs (like a web browser, Acrobat, etc), specify aserial, customize the installation and so make an full unatended install CD that is taylored for your computer. Cons: you may end with an .iso file that do not fit on a CD and have to use a DVD disk and you can not use that CD on anothecomputer wit a different chipset. There are (were) many tutorials online on how to do this. I used nLite for that. Second, is to use a floppy disk. When the install starts, it prompts you to press F6 key if you have custom SCSI drivers. Then it prompts you to insert the floppy, select the appropriate drivers and continue. Pros: It always works. Cons: you need a floppy and many USB ones are not recognized by XP. I had success with some unbranded one that wa recognized as NEC USB floppy drive; You will need the physical floppy disk that are quite hard to find, may degrade loose dataand is a PITA sometimes; also you need to know exactly wwhat driver to use, Intel many times have slightly different drivers for a chipset in a package and if do not select the correct one, it will give you headaches later. Third, install XP as you did, in IDE mode, then install the SATA AHCI drivers. Delete the IDE drivers in Device manager and shutdown. Change in the BIOS the SATA in AHCI mode and reboot. XP will then find the new SATA AHCI and will install them. Pros: XP will select the apropriate drivers, mostly works (it worked for me for more than 90%, maybe the fails were my fault), is easy, as to download and install an .inf file. Can be done for RAID also. I did this way even in XP x64 when I did not had a USB floppy. The bluescreen at 10:41, after flashing the BIOS was because the BIOS was reset to defaults and this meant that the SATA was also set to AHCI. If you had changed SATA to IDE, you had no have to reinstall the OS.
@wulfhem3 ай бұрын
in a few days im switching from my old beloved X61T to a refurbished X13 yoga gen2. i already know that i will be missing the keyboard.... Lenovo, please bring back the old keyboards
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Good narration, editing, great build. But you really should get some studio lights!
Yes. Design wise. Yes. Imagine that design with modern hardware. Splooge.
You actually bought something on facebook marketplace and didn't get scammed, congrats! xD
Fast startup enabled on the P14s right? I turned that stuff off the moment I got mine.
By the way, 560Z was from 1998 and not 1996. Original 560 was from 1996 is the model I have, which I have kept since bough new in Japan back in 1996. Made in Japan, simply the best.
I have been using ThinkPad since 1996. IBM made ThinkPads were not immune to poor quality materials and designs. They did break but most of the time the repair process was not hard and parts were easily obtainable. Demand for bulky upgradable machines are not there any more. People want lightweight and longer battery. Good to see repairability make a come back on the gen 5 T14 and patterning with ifixit. I’m sure framework and people like Louise Rossman helped push for more sustainable modern computing.
Karroo Island should be French much like how off Canada you have St Pierre Miquellon
I am still using my (Lenovo) ThinkPad X270 (released in 2017) with i7 (7th Gen) 16GB RAM and 256GB SSD. I think it is the last ThinkPad that is true to its origins and heritage. All the models came after the X270 are just too flimsy to deserve the ThinkPad logo on them. Now I see they are trying to get back to their roots with the new ThinkPad X13 Gen 4, which is a small step in the right direction.
I have a t450s touchscreen full HD. Wonderful🤩👍
My 3770k was $12 on eBay, where the heck were you shopping? Also, I recently found that the Asus B85M-G has full XP driver support from their website. You'll want to check the CPU BIOS compatibility and grab one that works with BIOS 0306 first just in case, if you plan to put a different CPU in it. The seller I bought mine from said they used a 4770k to check it, which showed as compatible with 0306, but I personally used a 4570s and upgraded to the 4790s after I updated the BIOS. I attribute my lack of the rest of the issues to using XP "Integral Edition." My Linux part is NTFS cuz I figured XP would play more nicely, so I can't speak to those EXT4 issues, either. And, I've literally never had an EVGA PSU explode on me.
I also had an idea similar to yours, I bought an AM2+ board with 4GB DDR2, I put a phenom 6x II 1055T and an HD 6770 on it, but I have not installed Windows XP, but I have installed Windows 8.1, when I have time and I got another hard drive and a CD drive, I totally turned it into a Windows XP(with linux distro) era PC
Yes, classic ThinkPads Really Better Than New Ones !!!
Strange question, but what's the contemplative music you use in the middle section of the video?
EVGA PSUs blow up?? Bro since when? 🤨EVGA is one of the most reputable brands out there. I have a Supernova G2 from 10 years ago that still works like new!
There’s a specific model that was having trouble when I uploaded the video, they had to do a massive recall that went poorly. I think Gamers Nexus covered it
14:34 sorry but that isnt a weird idea at all, heck it isnt even a new one. these so called convertibles have been around for years.
I think that was my point 🤔 idk as a KZreadr I’m automatically wrong
Yeah, I used thinkpads in the mid-late 90s for work, Pentium and PII models and you should just use the built in ethernet port and connect to your network and copy the files. If your laptop is so old you don't have ethernet, just use a null modem serial cable and copy from another pc(although I'm guessing your new pc doesn't have serial). We also used pcmcia wifi cards in these. I had some of the first 802.11a and b cards that should work fine in those laptops.
I'm a technician and notebook collector. Yes, the old ones are infinitely better than the current ones. The current ones are just crap for young guys, with a single board, soldered processor, thin, soft plastic, not upgradeable, and will probably die under warranty.
what do you recommend then big guy
@@santhypaezyeah Simple: Try to investigate the model before purchasing. Don't buy junk with a soldered processor, avoid anything that calls itself "gamer" without having a GPU connected to the motherboard via a connector.
Fun fact, Lenovo is still #1: "The number one PC maker globally is Lenovo. As of 2023, Lenovo held the largest market share in the global personal computer market with 24.8%. This includes desktop computers, laptop computers, and netbooks, but excludes mobile devices that do not fall under the category of 2-in-1 PCs. Lenovo has been the global market leader every year since 2013. The second and third largest PC makers are HP and Dell, with market shares of 21.9% and 16.6% respectively." HP not THAT far behind, interestingly enough.
God I love the TrackPoint - my first and only ThinkPad (T40) used for college, and I was not sure about that little red nub, but once using it, I learned fast to love it and despise touch pads.
People should be happy enough that newer ThinkPad's didn't do that 16:9 garbage, but yes, always desire more!
My second laptop, allow to use this for/in school as i had terrible hand writing
nice video and a very nice thinkpad i call a thinkpad 570e my own i highly suggest to get some pcmcia cards e.g. usb 2.0 and lan it makes things a lot more easy
Great tip, I’ll look for those 👌
I use an x260 and this machine is good for work and general use. I plan to buy X1 carbon with 8th or 9th gen cpu as an upgrade
Also when you first plug a floppy drive in make sure no disk is in there. It may ruin the disk. Something like that happened to a disk with a USB floppy drive and there is no way to recover it that I can find. Lucky for me it was just a file on it I could easily replace. I could not format the disk either. I am not sure what happened to it but it simply would not be a usable disk any more.
you don't need dosbox, that laptop has actual dos installed natively
Am I able to run the installed games by running the batch files in DOS?
@@Retro.Reverie@Retro.Reverie look up DOOM manual on Games database. Page 2..
Dosbox is completely redundant. Fullscreen FTW
@@Retro.Reverie that's right, why use an emulator, when you have the real thing right at your fingertips (and don't have the overhead of windows and dosbox) you can just reboot into dos mode
These are the reasons I still keep some old mobos, up to Pentium IV, for their ability to natively boot up DOS and install Win98.
nice
Didn't know they were still around. I don't need much nowadays, since I don't tend to play games as much, and I don't have much reason for outputting to speakers any way.
That’s fair. Really the only use is for audiophiles and musicians imo. I do think the interface included with the upper offerings is real clever, much more affordable than similar pro audio gear
I thimk they did not lost much exept keybords, and removable battery. I am sdave ing for one, because i know they will e modern eaven after 10 years ( i am talking about upgredability). THE THINKPAD IS ONLY GOOD THINK FROM US
YES x230 x220 t430 w541 t440p all better than modern laptops
I personally decided to go for a dual thinkpad approach. A Thin and light and an upgradable one, best of both worlds and lets be honest, since the upgradable older ones cost so little I invested on a ehin and light used relatively new one (3 year old x1 carbon) and then Ill easiky save uo for an older upgradable one (might have made a mistake taking a t450s since theres more upgradable ones but it was 100 bucks, Im happy, thats all that matters)
13:19 yap i am still yelling from my W520 about that keyboard I have used newer laptops like the T480 I own but I always go back to my older W520 in the end as I have over 20 years of using the 7 row in turn my typing speed and accuracy plummets with the newer ones.
Still running a X220 but it's really getting long in the teeth. That modern Thinkpad actually looks really nice on the inside. Everything accessible after you got the bottom off. Try tearing into an HP or Toshiba and it becomes an absolute slaughter jut to replace that BIOS battery. (bottom off, screw under the bottom out, keyboard out, screw under the keyboard out, motherboard out, on the backside of the motherboard.... etc.
Be inside. Meh
ever since im 16 i heard from the thinkpad culture on internet forums but never had the opportunity to buy one, now that i work in an industry that requieres strong computer power everywhere i got an used p series workstation but i still want a classic one, they look so cool :(
Newer Thinkpads aren't the most useful workstations. In the past, they had good servicability, upgrade options, ran cool and quiet despite powerful components. Of course this is all relative to alternative offerings at the time. Nowadays, they try to be Macbooks for business oriented people and fail utterly as a price/performance/features proposition. Most high end gaming laptops do a much better job of keeping components running at their full capacity for longer while creating less noise and costing less. It's merely the aesthetics of a ThinkPad which remains and the knob. Sure keyboards are good, but they're objectively worse than older generations.
I did not notice the decline untill my 495 dropped and USBC connector got wrecked. It's charging port that breaks every year and is not on doughter board so you must desolder it. 2 more de-solders and my mobo is gone. I am getting Latitude next. They are equally shitty last 20 years.
Thanks for a great presentation. I love my T60p. I've got Ubuntu on it now. I've been thinking about switching to another distro, but had a bit of a challenge getting the graphics card driver installed, so I'm worried about going through that again. There was a lot of screen artifacting, and it would often be blank on boot up before I got that sorted out. I'm planning to get a larger drive so I can partition it for a bare-metal linux distro and Windows for retro-gaming. I'd like to get a newer Lenovo model that can handle more modern Windows, but is still in the spirit of the earlier IBM models. I need to do a bit more research to decide which fits my needs.
I think what a lot of people mean when they say that older Thinkpads are more serviceable than newer iterations is the fact that they are way more modular. Broken power port? Take the laptop apart, put in a new charging port - plug & play. Broken keyboard? Same thing. Need to upgrade the Wifi? Possible, but might need to work around a stupid whitelist. Newer Thinkpads often suffer from the un-modularity of other modern laptops - EVERYTHING i soldered onto the motherboard, except storage and MAYBE RAM.
Typo in the title, that's a windows 7/8 era pc.
You’re not wrong and may have just inspired a new idea for it
Well, I never had a classic Thinkpad have a BIOS issue that won't let you wake it from sleep if the charger is connected, an Issue I had with a 2023 model due to an issue in the USB-C handling of the BIOS, which Lenovo did not fix after three BIOS updates in a 2-month span, so...
Respect to the TNG playing in the background.
I used to have an old 1997 model ThinkPad (I don't recall the exact model, sorry), which I absolutely adored, and I've *yearned* for one of the newer ones for years specifically because of that experience. This year I got lucky enough to be able to upgrade my very worn out HP laptop to a T495 (2018, so not super new) and I gotta say that for all the griping I've read online about how the 480 was the "last true Thinkpad," this thing truly lives up to everything I loved about that old '97 model I used well into the 2010s from the late aughts. The keyboard just feels RIGHT, the track pad is very above average for a laptop, and it is, of course, extremely serviceable. I do regret some of the changes Lenovo made with that generation (M.2 storage only? Come on.) but overall it is a wonderful machine, and it's definitely cemented for me that I'd rather go without a laptop entirely than get something other than another Thinkpad.
That was super interesting. Just bought a refurbished X390; the fullHD-resolution (compared to X220's) was worth it. _Thanks_
i m writing on my x61t and t500 - blow even my t420 and w520 i dont consider later models because they lack 7row kb
I had an X230 and swapped to the X220 classic-style non-chiclet keyboard. I may be blaspheming but I didn't find the X220 keyboard typing feel to be notably better. I think the newer thinkpad chiclet-style keyboard is still best-in-class among laptop brands. If I had to choose again I don't think I would bother doing it. I think the main benefit of the old style is the 7th row or the pure aesthetic vibe. Really the main IBM-era thinkpad feature I miss most is the downward-sloping front edge of the palmrest.
The ThinkPad T480 is the best one, if you were to buy yourself a ThinkPad today and hoping to use it for 5 more years into the future. It's the last of the proper ThinkPads with its unparalleled modularity, Power Bridge tech, yet it has a 4-core ULV undervoltable processor, Thunderbolt 3 (has support for at least 2 external monitors at once, something Macbooks can't have), NVMe drives, and 72Wh external batteries available for it for $40. It's also the only proper ThinkPad to officially and fully support Windows 11, and even if you don't want to use Windows - the extra performance due to the 4 cores it has will surely be useful for you. Do not confuse the T480 with the T480s. The T480s is garbage, and Lenovo made a huge mistake trying to base all their subsequent ThinkPads off of T480s instead of the T480. Like what were they thinking? Sure, ditch the Power Bridge technology - but don't lock us away by forcing us to have just 54Wh at most with the internal batteries, and don't try to meme us into planned obsolescence by throwing away replaceable batteries, 2 RAM slots, easy repairability and general robustness of the thick and sturdy laptop like the T480. I mean, it's so bad that the T480 is _faster_ than the more modern T490 due to the RAM upgradability alone, not even considering the heatsink upgrade for the T480 that would let you run the CPU at 30W or more (if it's a combined CPU+iGPU load). We don't care about if it's going to be 200 grams heavier - Lenovo didn't give us a proper ThinkPad, then they can cry all they want about people refusing to buy into the modern slop and continuing to only buy used old ThinkPads.
Last year I changed T440s to T480s. And I need to say that old one T440s was better. Really. In different things. But slow and heavy. I like my new T480s but sometimes I think… display terrible, keyboard not so perfect but still good, Traci point sometimes moving itself, touch pad is worse… ahhh…😅 Quality drops.
That's because you should've bought a T480. T480s and T490 onwards are frankly trash. It's so bad that the T480 is _faster_ than the T490 due to the double RAM sticks alone, letting you run up to 64GB RAM in dual-channel with fast 2x8R sticks.
@@one_step_sideways I have no problems with my T480s performance. I not need T480 more fatty and heavy. And also I have 8+16 GB ram and happy with it.
@@Mr.RomanShows But you don't understand that if you fill up more than 16GB of your RAM, the remaining amount of RAM you have will be working in single-channel. That is a major hit to performance. The T480 is barely 200 grams heavier than the T480 and is only 2mm thicker - are you made of soy, that you decided to buy an inferior laptop because it's 200 grams lighter? And are you using your ThinkPad as a typewriter if you think you don't have any problems with its performance? If so, then you could've bought yourself a used Macbook Air just as easily, which would have been lighter, although it would be even less useful. Anyone who wants laptops that are 200 grams lighter and 2mm thinner and want to trade away the battery life and upgradability for that are the exact reason why the laptop market has gone so bad since 2014 and why we can't have actually good laptops like the T480 anymore. Don't believe me? Look how they massacred the Asus ROG Zephyrus G14/G16 lineup this year compared to 2023. And they now cost $2000 on average. And they would get obsolete in 3 years, because they were designed to.
@@Mr.RomanShows But you don't understand that if you fill up more than 16GB of your RAM, the remaining amount of RAM you have will be working in single-channel. That is a major hit to performance. The T480 is barely 200 grams heavier than the T480 and is only 2mm thicker - are you made of soy, that you decided to buy an inferior laptop because it's 200 grams lighter? And are you using your ThinkPad as a typewriter if you think you don't have any problems with its performance? If so, then you could've bought yourself a used Macbook Air just as easily, which would have been lighter, although it would be even less useful.
@@Mr.RomanShows Anyone who wants laptops that are 200 grams lighter and 2mm thinner and want to trade away the battery life and upgradability for that are the exact reason why the laptop market has gone so bad since 2014 and why we can't have actually good laptops like the T480 anymore. Don't believe me? Look how they massa cred the Asus ROG Zephyrus G14/G16 lineup this year compared to 2023. And they now cost $2000 on average. And they would get obsolete in 3 years, because they were designed to. Lenovo does the same since the T490 now, by basing it off the T480s, which is bad.
Have you ever tried Linux on your old Thinkpad? 🐧
What distros would you recommend? Retro or new. I’ve thought about trying Kolibre OS but had bad luck
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Great build. I do not actually care about the "period correct" stuff, I do care about the computer to work as I intend to. If I want a fast computer, I use fast components, and for a slo computer I will use older components. I like XP on new hardware (core CPU first-second gen), as it is fast, can have plenty of memory and not on the "period correct" slower Pentium 3 with max 1.5G SDRAM. To add AHCI drivers to XP (32 or 64), there are 3 ways, as far as I know.. First, is to slipstream them into the XP installation amd make a CD that have them. Pros: you have that CD and use it any time to reinstall on that motherboard (or one with the same chipset); you can also add another drivers like chipset, sound, video, can add also some programs (like a web browser, Acrobat, etc), specify aserial, customize the installation and so make an full unatended install CD that is taylored for your computer. Cons: you may end with an .iso file that do not fit on a CD and have to use a DVD disk and you can not use that CD on anothecomputer wit a different chipset. There are (were) many tutorials online on how to do this. I used nLite for that. Second, is to use a floppy disk. When the install starts, it prompts you to press F6 key if you have custom SCSI drivers. Then it prompts you to insert the floppy, select the appropriate drivers and continue. Pros: It always works. Cons: you need a floppy and many USB ones are not recognized by XP. I had success with some unbranded one that wa recognized as NEC USB floppy drive; You will need the physical floppy disk that are quite hard to find, may degrade loose dataand is a PITA sometimes; also you need to know exactly wwhat driver to use, Intel many times have slightly different drivers for a chipset in a package and if do not select the correct one, it will give you headaches later. Third, install XP as you did, in IDE mode, then install the SATA AHCI drivers. Delete the IDE drivers in Device manager and shutdown. Change in the BIOS the SATA in AHCI mode and reboot. XP will then find the new SATA AHCI and will install them. Pros: XP will select the apropriate drivers, mostly works (it worked for me for more than 90%, maybe the fails were my fault), is easy, as to download and install an .inf file. Can be done for RAID also. I did this way even in XP x64 when I did not had a USB floppy. The bluescreen at 10:41, after flashing the BIOS was because the BIOS was reset to defaults and this meant that the SATA was also set to AHCI. If you had changed SATA to IDE, you had no have to reinstall the OS.
in a few days im switching from my old beloved X61T to a refurbished X13 yoga gen2. i already know that i will be missing the keyboard.... Lenovo, please bring back the old keyboards