What youre doing when going down in that cry is rotating the arytenoid cartilages, hence the new "chest resonance" or timbre. If you keep the sound crying and in the back while going down, sounding whiny, its the arytenoid cartilages not rotating ( or as much ) and not anchoring, thus not giving you the chest fullvoice timbre. Ive been working on this lately for making rehab and finding mix more efficient and faster. Id love to chat about this with you man. Cheers
@RockSingingSuccess7 күн бұрын
@@sbxamedhi Interesting take on cry physical quality or vocal mode. According to Estill, who came up with that physical quality description, it dampens the larynx and gives medial compression in the vocal folds from stretching or thinning them out, effectively increasing surface area, but without the thyroid arytenoids doing the work of thickening. Both of these add more chest formant. Over-crying will lift and stretch even more, causing more whiny sounds and yodel-like glottal releases. Most of the difference in timbre for both grit and screams comes from acoustic placement. If you want an on depth overview of vocal distortion, the list two podcast episodes we put up on KZread, Vocal Distortion pt.1 and 2, go into both the mindset and how to, like a mini-course.
@therealmanuelbauerАй бұрын
Its so confusing. You say, all screaming is false cord based, which contradicts many vocal coaches who say that fryscreams are truefold based. And then you demonstrate your whimpering/witchcackle thing for fry screams which is clearly just the irregular creaking of your truefolds. The fact that some say so and others say so makes it so hard to understand what is actually supposed to happen in the throat. Ive been trying to figure it out for years and still dont get it.
@RockSingingSuccessАй бұрын
I suppose the way we teach it is what most people would call a mix that could go more pure false cord or more voiced. The true cords only actually get involved to keep a pitch, usually feeling like an airy head voice. They never actually fully close with distortion, causing a bit of air to come through and throw the harmonics into chaos. However, when it comes to what's physically causing the distortion, it's a narrowing and constriction of the vocal tract that is getting the false cords involved. Even the creaking is from the narrowing of the vocal tract and air having to get passed the false cords, albeit it starts with that air leaking from the true folds before getting the false cords involved. But the saturation of harmonics that we hear as distortion is originating in the false cords area. We'll post the video for part 2 on the 1st, where we walk through how to create distortion step-by-step. If you want to loisten before them, it's posted here: rocksingingsuccess.com/blog/vocal-distortion-how-to-grit-and-scream
@therealmanuelbauerАй бұрын
@@RockSingingSuccess Thank you very much for the response. I will definitely check out part 2! Though after what I've seen and read so far during the past 3 years of unsuccessfully trying to figure out fry screaming, I'd kinda have to disagree, that the creaking is coming from the false cords and that there is no true fold screaming. There is actually proof in form of studys and laringoscopys (?), that basic fryscreaming is truefoldbased. Check out Toni Linke or Will Ramos’ infamous throat-video. But at the end of the day it doesnt really matter I guess. If I would finally be able to scream without ruining my singing voice, I wouldn't really care, where the distortion actually comes from :D
@RockSingingSuccessАй бұрын
@@therealmanuelbauer I actually think we agree on where it’s starting, and would add that I’m focused on the resonance and harmonic saturation that shapes the overall sound.
@RockSingingSuccessАй бұрын
@@therealmanuelbauer also, check out the slow motion laryngoscope that Melissa Cross did for fry. It’s fascinating how the true folds never fully close with fry. Even more fascinating how Will’s foods twisted when everything constricted. And again, you’re right that pure/basic/light fry and pulse come from there. Saturation and amplification come from above it, giving it depth, tone, and loudness. Thanks for calling us out! This is very difficult to describe in depth in a short time. Usually best done in a 1:1 lesson, where you can feel what’s happening. Even our Extreme Singing course had to have multiple exercises for each step in order to try and cover the bases when everyone has different visualizations of what they’re feeling. In then, we had to give over 40 different ways to get someone to feel the right things and build into different sounds from there.
@Keela869Ай бұрын
Really only 5 comments? This is great advice. i love finding my new voice....Its taking a lot of highs and lows to find and Im still in love with music. Music is my religion and savior. Mixing is usually helpful. Don't lipsync. Warm up. Love the music more than the emotion will allow so you dont tear up and warble in feelings. And try not to ever give a bad performance if you find yourself on Mtv.
@sbutler373Ай бұрын
I find this curious when you were talking about "My Songs Know What You Did In The Dark". I don't have any training IN VOICE (I've played wind instruments for years, so I can tell when I've hit a note), I've only ever sung for myself, but I have no trouble going back and forth between the "light 'em up' and the 'on fire'. I feel something in my throat shift when I go up higher like that almost like...I suppose a gearshift in a car changing gears, is the only way I can think to explain it.
@RockSingingSuccessАй бұрын
A gearshift is a good description for switching from chest to a twangy/edgy head voice for a part like that. Doing that part in a full-sounding voice, over and over, is extremely difficult. Even Patrick Stump doesn’t stay in a full voice when doing it live, if he jumps up to the higher part at all. -Draven
@sbutler373Ай бұрын
@@RockSingingSuccess appreciate the feedback, I enjoy your channel. 👍
@OnceClueless1Ай бұрын
Great video. Just DM'd you!
@russellspear61882 ай бұрын
This sounds like an exciting approach! Your "leaning" method of "releasing air instead of pushing it", your method of "breathing down and behind you" - it seems to me that instead of primarily engaging the abdominals, that would primarily engage the intercostal muscles in between the ribs and if so, since they're fairly small muscles compared to the abdominals, is there a risk of pulling an intercostal muscle when doing breath support in the manner for aggressive rock vocals? Or is there another muscle besides the intercostals that is the primary muscle that gets engaged for helping release the air?
@RockSingingSuccess2 ай бұрын
The diaphragm - which you can easily find my using the hissed "Sss" like I describe around 2:25. The diaphragm controls the speed of release, and it's the hold down of the diaphragm that you actually feel. So when you breathe into the lower back (actually the intercostals, like you noted), and then lean through the solar plexus for volume, singing feels like a release or loud sigh, rather than a push. When singing "aggressively" it might feel like your whole core braces to help hold a phonation steady, but that's quite different than pushing or shouting. I think you'll notice your overall throttle is far too heavy, pushing, and shouty, putting a lot of risky tension in the throat, before you're ever at risk of pulling your intercostals. I often tell students that if they feel any tension in the neck, try to move it into the diaphragm instead. Even if you flex your upper abs, it's far safer than extra neck and throat tension. -Draven
@russellspear61882 ай бұрын
@@RockSingingSuccess Thank you!
@russellspear61882 ай бұрын
When you lost your head voice for three months, how did you determine that you hadn't injured your vocal cords and that what had happened was you had pulled a muscle? Did a laryngologist tell you what muscle you had hurt? I ask because I'm injured and I'm wondering if I have hurt a strap muscle, since when I have a stroboscopy, my vocal cords look good but I keep having hoarseness, I can't sing often and when I do sing I don't have my whole range. How do you suggest I find out what I have injured when it doesn't show on a strobe scope?
@RockSingingSuccess2 ай бұрын
I'm so sorry to hear about your injury! I know how scary that was for me. I can only imagine what you're feeling right now. It took me 3 months to get an appointment with an ENT. Thankfully, it was the top ENT in Denver. He determined that whatever I did had healed already, so there was no permanent damage. After a long examination, scope, and other tests, his best guess was that I had pulled a muscle. At that point, it didn't matter which one. The pain being near the thyroid gland was a likely indication of one of the two main muscles there that help move the larynx, and can cause muscle tension dysphonia. However, I was starting to get my head voice back, and the pain was progressively getting better, so he didn't think we needed any major tests like an MRI. You might ask the laryngologist or ENT if they think an MRI is warranted. I was definitely on my way to recovery after 3 months, and it took another year before I didn't feel it at all anymore. Those muscles take a long time to heal, but if it's already gone on a long time for you, I definitely suggest getting professional medical advice with advocating for doing whatever it takes to find the core issue.
@russellspear61882 ай бұрын
@@RockSingingSuccess Thank you so much! I believe I'm seeing some signs of improvement with my condition, but the condition of my voice fluctuates quite a bit so I'm going to get a second opinion from a top ENT in Philadelphia in July. She was trained by Dr. Robert Sataloff. In the mean time I'm following my coach's advice of using a nebulizer, using SOVT exercises with a straw to warm up, not straining when I sing and doing everything I can to minimize any potential acid reflux.
@RockSingingSuccess2 ай бұрын
@@russellspear6188 That's great advice! I personally prefer a steam inhaler instead of a nebulizer for the warmth and bigger water droplets. For some reason, a nebulizer dries me out. SOVT of any sort, especially a straw, is a great way to keep your voice balanced. I'm sure you already know, but please keep it light and slowly build back up, staying under any amount that causes pain. I also suggest putting a large focus on staying lifted into a top-down whimper or cried voice. This helps you stay off the throat more and still get good compression. But again, try not to push the line of it hurting. Stay lighter than that. If it doesn't hurt, you're likely okay to do it - at least for a bit. -Draven
@russellspear61882 ай бұрын
@@RockSingingSuccess That's very generous of you to share that advice with me. I truly appreciate it. I'll make a point of recommending your KZread channel to other singers I come across who are looking for a new YT channel to follow. I find it interesting and quite sad, that for whatever reason, KZread gives massive amounts of exposure to a few people (some of whom don't deserve it) and then there are some people who genuinely deserve and could benefit from being given some more exposure, but apparently, what they offer doesn't line up with what the YouTue algorithm is programmed to push! I've seen the effect it has on some people who are fortunate enough to have gotten huge amounts of exposure and they're people who seem to think: "The more subscribers I have, the more qualified I am to teach and the more I can justify charging for coaching sessions." There are vocal coaches on KZread who have garnered in excess of 400K subscribers who seem to think that entitles them to make more money than the average surgeon makes!
@RockSingingSuccess2 ай бұрын
@@russellspear6188 I'm glad I could help, and really appreciate the referrals! I don't think we're cheap by any means, but we do love helping whenever we can, and have courses, this channel, and even the brand new free community (in the video description) and podcast to help those who can't afford one-on-one lessons. -Draven
@smarttv50985 ай бұрын
The links to buy the courses do not work
@RockSingingSuccess5 ай бұрын
Thanks for letting me know, the links should work now.
@RockSingingSuccess5 ай бұрын
We recently moved websites and everything broke despite having the right settings. Working on reconnecting our shopping cart now.
@cgonzt56366 ай бұрын
Interesting, love to learn this, but is this safe for vocal longevity, in short healthy?
@RockSingingSuccess6 ай бұрын
Done with the right placement and not pushed, it only really affects the false cords. It takes some conditioning for them to get used to the extra vibrations, not unlike a new trumpet player’s lips need conditioning for the same. In general, most grit feels like relaxing into a neutral larynx, and screams feels like light head voice. It feels FAR less harsh than it sounds.
@66fitton6 ай бұрын
Next level stuff!!! Very cool! Cheers✌
@RNAMusic6 ай бұрын
Howdy!
@RockSingingSuccess6 ай бұрын
Hey Ryan!
@user-ug7po9bv3p7 ай бұрын
Excellent coaching and teaching!
@RockSingingSuccess7 ай бұрын
Thank you! Please share this video if you find it's helping!
@squirrelkingcometh7 ай бұрын
I'm not gonna lie. I clicked because i thought the thumbnail was David Dramian. Stayed for the good vid :D
@RockSingingSuccess7 ай бұрын
Thanks That's the first time I've gotten that comment about how I look. Not bad, haha! I'm glad you liked the video. Feel free to ask questions anytime.
@DeonJBester7 ай бұрын
Interesting
@DeonJBester7 ай бұрын
I snapped it in literally the first 3 minutes and I've been struggling for years
@RockSingingSuccess7 ай бұрын
Awesome! I have a course that shows how to turn that one sound into about 30 others. Feel free to ask questions if you need help!
@DeonJBester7 ай бұрын
@@RockSingingSuccess for sure man, thank you very much! I'm definitely buying that course, just give me a bit of time to get some cash first 🙈 this is really interesting, especially the way you explained it!
@charlesjohnson8737 ай бұрын
I have been trying to learn how to fry scream for about a year. I've for the most part gotten false chord screams down but fry continues to escape me. I've just found your channel and so far I've already found multiple tips to help with my cleans and distortion
@RockSingingSuccess7 ай бұрын
I’m glad I could help! Feel free to ask questions!
@laskea8 ай бұрын
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@RockSingingSuccess8 ай бұрын
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@jebuscrustgaming40634 ай бұрын
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@DudewithaguitarАй бұрын
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@Vesper_Songs8 ай бұрын
I record originals and covers that I love and that I enjoy playing, and if others like it, that's a bonus! I appreciate every like, comment and sub I get, but I don't worry about being popular. I figure if I play from love, I will draw attention from people who resonate with me. But ultimately, I'm playing for me :)
@RockSingingSuccess8 ай бұрын
I completely understand! I think every artist plays and writes for themselves first and foremost. And I don’t think those that pursue a career are necessarily in it for popularity. It only takes 1000 True Fans to make for a great music career! I wouldn’t really call that popular, just focused. I would add that to make a career out of your music, you have to consider if your songs and ways of expressing yourself are connecting with others. The beauty of the “ideal fan” I mention in the video is that they are often an extension of you - those that you naturally attract to you and that you love to be around often share the same interests with us, and definitely share many of the same values. So you’re right. You will draw attention from people who resonate with you. I would add that turning that into a career means knowing who those people are, intentionally connecting with them where they’re at, and building your career with their help and support.
@Vesper_Songs8 ай бұрын
@@RockSingingSuccess Yes, turning music into a career is a whole different ball of wax and one must be much more conscious of who their audience is and making sure they are appealing to them. This is one of the reasons I am glad I am not pursuing it as a career :)
@gypsycat6198 ай бұрын
There is a psychological truth that if you play a mediocre song often enough on the radio people will find it familiar and start to like it. Thus years ago radio DJ's had the freedom to play a new tune if they liked it. Now the playlists are highly controlled. During the gulf war the American Radio played in the sandbox for our troops consisted of prerecorded groups of song tracks recorded in California. Thus the DJ's were there between the songs but had not control of what they were playing. So you can have a great original song but if you are not the son in law of the gate keeper they will keep you out. You can't be pretty if nobody sees you!
@RockSingingSuccess8 ай бұрын
I agree, and would add that the gatekeepers control a game you don’t have to play anymore, and arguably never had to. It’s all about who you know and if you’re worth knowing. It always has been, even when I started coaching bands nearly 30 years ago. When young Taylor Swift told her manager that she wanted to go gold, he told her that in order to do that she needed to meet 500k people. So that’s what she did. She has an incredible connection with her fans because of it. Meeting and building a relationship with your ideal fan is far easier to do now than it was then. You can go to them, strike up conversations (not promotions) online in their comments, genuinely get curious about them, and they will get curious about you. Then you need to be worth knowing, adding even more value whenever they go to find it more about you. If you need a gatekeeper to reach your goals, then turn this mindset towards them. My band did that to become best friends with the top radio dj in town 30 years ago, and were sharing the stage with huge names in a very short time. One of my students and good friends did this recently with her dream goal producers, and was working with the top producers in rock music, the Churkos, by the time she released her second song! Covers can help, sure. But they’re not a necessity. Great songs aren’t even the most important. Connect with others in a meaningful way, nurture those relationships, and be consistent with the message and value you provide. Know your passion, what you’re naturally gifted at, and how those meld with what people are looking for. Know the emotions your music evokes, the actions it inspires, and the impression it leaves with people, and let that permeate how you present yourself to the world. Know who you naturally attract to you and who you love to be around, and where to find those people, then be there. Build relationships by connecting with those people and being worth their time. Promotion Is second to the above. And in today’s climate, micro music videos on social media are enough to grab eyeballs, if the songs are good and the visuals are entertaining. But that’s a distant second to intentionally finding your fans and building relationships in the comments.
@Jim88Karaoke10 ай бұрын
Great sharing. I couldn't eat berries and any salty or crispy food 3 hours and less prior singing time. Plain and strong coffee as well.
@RockSingingSuccess10 ай бұрын
It’s always been apples for me. -Draven
@genereybradley10 ай бұрын
I have used the pitch pipe from time to time, my vibrato sets me off. I have to really focus on no vibrato
@RockSingingSuccess10 ай бұрын
I definitely get that sometimes too. My first vocal teacher made me practice everything with and without vibrato, but my default is definitely a lot of vibrato!
@tobybajrovic11 ай бұрын
Amazing video mate. You've explained things in a way that made much more sense to me. Really appreciate it.
@RockSingingSuccess11 ай бұрын
Glad we could help!
@ConstantineAtByron11 ай бұрын
I'm no singer but that helps when I try to sing. I still have friends because I never try sing where others might be alarmed.
@RockSingingSuccess11 ай бұрын
I'm sorry. It appears your comment got lost in the mix. I'm glad I saw it. What keeps you from developing your singing skills further?
@RATERZ Жыл бұрын
Hi Draven do you play league of legends as well as you sing?
@RockSingingSuccess Жыл бұрын
Haha. Thanks for the compliment. I don’t game much these days.
@RATERZ Жыл бұрын
@@RockSingingSuccess I'm having as much fun singing as I do gaming. And you're helping me a lot with your advice :)
@Olslowhand1 Жыл бұрын
delivering the goods
@user-kp7rk1st5x Жыл бұрын
NEW SUBCRIBER HERE IAM A LOW CLASS SINGER, AND JOINING INTO COMPETITION , THANK YOUR FOR UNSELFISH TEACHING AND TACTICS. HIGHLY APPRECIATED
@RockSingingSuccess Жыл бұрын
It’s my pleasure. -Draven
@kimkeane Жыл бұрын
is it correct that opening your mouth wider when you go higher correct? i find this difficult when doing e sounds. also when doing e’s, is it normal to ‘smile’ to be able to get the sound or is this straining?
@RockSingingSuccess Жыл бұрын
/ee/ is definitely a closed glottis (the opening of the vocal folds) vowel. When placed correctly, essentially towards the eyes, it sound and feels more like an /ih/. That said, even singing an /ih/ requires closing the jaw and more use of the smile/sneer you mentioned. However, most bowls open up more when Belting, depending on how shouty you want it to sound. For instance, /oo/ is usually more of an /ou/ or /ew/ when placed correctly, but more of an /oh/ when Belting. An /ee/ can sound much more of an /eh/ when Belting, depending on how open you like the sound. I hope that helps! -Draven
@Olslowhand1 Жыл бұрын
great lesson thankyou
@RockSingingSuccess Жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@Mistrzdan Жыл бұрын
Hi, my bridge is about E4-F4 as a baritone. Can I go higher with chest after training like you do (I think you start at E4 and go to B4 and higher)
@-xlntc91x- Жыл бұрын
Absolutely. It's just a matter of intelligent and precise adjustments (vowel shape, muscle engagement, twang, breath pressure management etc.). With belting powerfully I realised you should not underestimate the psychological aspects. You have to be committed and not give a damn about people hearing you or messing up. If you do, you're gonna thin out unconsciously and not have as much muscle mass as he does here
@Mistrzdan Жыл бұрын
@@-xlntc91x- thanks for your insights, it gives me hope :)
@RockSingingSuccess Жыл бұрын
It takes time to build the muscle for stability, especially past A4, but yes, you definitely can train up that high. It maxes out around D5 before you have to back away. But for singing (not training), I start to back off at the A4 and focus on shaping and compression, balancing cry and twang, for the sound. It feels much more relaxed than it sounds once the muscles are thick enough to stabilize it. There are much more intense and surgical exercises to build through the 2nd bridge (around A4) too. -Draven
@Mistrzdan Жыл бұрын
@@RockSingingSuccess so it doesn’t matter if I am a baritone and could easily build chest to A4?
@RockSingingSuccess Жыл бұрын
@@Mistrzdan I’m a natural baritone with bass extension and can sing up to C6. Granted, it changes to a whistle mix around E5. The main thing bring a baritone will do is give you a filter, more chesty sounding tone up high than someone who is more a natural tenor, especially up below E5. The sky is the limit on range. The record, if I remember correctly, is a G8 for a man, 4 octaves above middle C! At that point, it’s practically a dog whistle. -Draven
@Arden7one Жыл бұрын
It's not the straw, but you who's genius my friend 😃 after all you put it together (to compose) the whole cry vocal mode has really helped me visualise by putting it into practise, and it became a gateway 🙏 I'll be seeing you soon, and thank you so much for all your help and support. 🔥👌
@RockSingingSuccess Жыл бұрын
Awesome! I’m excited to help! -Draven
@suicideowlmusic Жыл бұрын
Dude your videos stand out big time - even from the big names. Although your channel is super small, I'm coming back to your videos here for the advice. It's spot on and super true without bullshit.
@RockSingingSuccess Жыл бұрын
That means a lot to me. Thank you! Now to get my other teachers on here too and start ramping up our video output! - Draven
@suicideowlmusic Жыл бұрын
@@RockSingingSuccess I Did not know you're still active - I was worried you're off the grid since the last video is from early 2021. I'd love to see and hear new stuff! Do you offer one on one lessons?
@RockSingingSuccess Жыл бұрын
@@suicideowlmusic I’m not sure I’ve ever been very active on KZread, haha! But that will change in the coming weeks, since we’ve launched our new marketplace. To be honest, I’m surprised my private lessons have done so well without much KZread - to the point of having multiple teachers. Comments like yours are very encouraging to really, finally get this channel going. I have courses and give private lessons. I trained my other teachers in the same methodology as well. I’m happy to help however I can. Definitely reach out. -Draven. unleashedsinger.com/
@ThaRuralJuror Жыл бұрын
I love how this guy consistenly demonstrates the techniques as he's explaining
@Robb33486 ай бұрын
me too
@Robb3348Ай бұрын
same.
@DzoniMakaroni Жыл бұрын
A lot of vocal coaches don't have videos. Draven doesn't have a lot but the ones he does show how great he is.
@SandroSanakoti Жыл бұрын
Bro! Legit stuff
@RockSingingSuccess Жыл бұрын
Thanks! I'm doing a more in depth tutorial soon, like a highly summed up version of my full distortion course to add to the free Rock Singing 101 playlist. - D
@IconicW4rrior2 жыл бұрын
Lol “it’s not going to hurt you unless it hurts”. I mean I guess that’s not wrong.
@RockSingingSuccess2 жыл бұрын
Yeah. Not the best wording choice. Haha! I'm going to do a longer, more thorough tutorial soon to add to the Rock Singing 101 Playlist, maybe pulling a lot from my course. -Draven
@SecondsFromEternity2 ай бұрын
It's not going to cause damage unless it hurts. There.
@into.the.wood.chipper.2 жыл бұрын
I'm really having trouble distorting from A3 to D4. The tone just won't happen with compression, and the pitch is too low for decompressed distortion to project.
@RockSingingSuccess2 жыл бұрын
You need to focus on the fundamentals of Singing and shaping for distortion using the more sob and thinning side of cry vocal mode. If you’re not in my Rock Singing course, then think of it as not just a top down whimper lifting pressure up into the nasal cavities for a crying quality, but also sobbing and thinking through over-crying/sobbing using more pharynx (back of the mouth) focused /aw/ overtones. In the end, if you really want to get distortion under control, I highly suggest taking lessons.
@RockSingingSuccess2 жыл бұрын
Also, remember that compressed (forward/edging) to decompressed (back, /aw/) distortion is a spectrum, not black or white.
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What youre doing when going down in that cry is rotating the arytenoid cartilages, hence the new "chest resonance" or timbre. If you keep the sound crying and in the back while going down, sounding whiny, its the arytenoid cartilages not rotating ( or as much ) and not anchoring, thus not giving you the chest fullvoice timbre. Ive been working on this lately for making rehab and finding mix more efficient and faster. Id love to chat about this with you man. Cheers
@@sbxamedhi Interesting take on cry physical quality or vocal mode. According to Estill, who came up with that physical quality description, it dampens the larynx and gives medial compression in the vocal folds from stretching or thinning them out, effectively increasing surface area, but without the thyroid arytenoids doing the work of thickening. Both of these add more chest formant. Over-crying will lift and stretch even more, causing more whiny sounds and yodel-like glottal releases. Most of the difference in timbre for both grit and screams comes from acoustic placement. If you want an on depth overview of vocal distortion, the list two podcast episodes we put up on KZread, Vocal Distortion pt.1 and 2, go into both the mindset and how to, like a mini-course.
Its so confusing. You say, all screaming is false cord based, which contradicts many vocal coaches who say that fryscreams are truefold based. And then you demonstrate your whimpering/witchcackle thing for fry screams which is clearly just the irregular creaking of your truefolds. The fact that some say so and others say so makes it so hard to understand what is actually supposed to happen in the throat. Ive been trying to figure it out for years and still dont get it.
I suppose the way we teach it is what most people would call a mix that could go more pure false cord or more voiced. The true cords only actually get involved to keep a pitch, usually feeling like an airy head voice. They never actually fully close with distortion, causing a bit of air to come through and throw the harmonics into chaos. However, when it comes to what's physically causing the distortion, it's a narrowing and constriction of the vocal tract that is getting the false cords involved. Even the creaking is from the narrowing of the vocal tract and air having to get passed the false cords, albeit it starts with that air leaking from the true folds before getting the false cords involved. But the saturation of harmonics that we hear as distortion is originating in the false cords area. We'll post the video for part 2 on the 1st, where we walk through how to create distortion step-by-step. If you want to loisten before them, it's posted here: rocksingingsuccess.com/blog/vocal-distortion-how-to-grit-and-scream
@@RockSingingSuccess Thank you very much for the response. I will definitely check out part 2! Though after what I've seen and read so far during the past 3 years of unsuccessfully trying to figure out fry screaming, I'd kinda have to disagree, that the creaking is coming from the false cords and that there is no true fold screaming. There is actually proof in form of studys and laringoscopys (?), that basic fryscreaming is truefoldbased. Check out Toni Linke or Will Ramos’ infamous throat-video. But at the end of the day it doesnt really matter I guess. If I would finally be able to scream without ruining my singing voice, I wouldn't really care, where the distortion actually comes from :D
@@therealmanuelbauer I actually think we agree on where it’s starting, and would add that I’m focused on the resonance and harmonic saturation that shapes the overall sound.
@@therealmanuelbauer also, check out the slow motion laryngoscope that Melissa Cross did for fry. It’s fascinating how the true folds never fully close with fry. Even more fascinating how Will’s foods twisted when everything constricted. And again, you’re right that pure/basic/light fry and pulse come from there. Saturation and amplification come from above it, giving it depth, tone, and loudness. Thanks for calling us out! This is very difficult to describe in depth in a short time. Usually best done in a 1:1 lesson, where you can feel what’s happening. Even our Extreme Singing course had to have multiple exercises for each step in order to try and cover the bases when everyone has different visualizations of what they’re feeling. In then, we had to give over 40 different ways to get someone to feel the right things and build into different sounds from there.
Really only 5 comments? This is great advice. i love finding my new voice....Its taking a lot of highs and lows to find and Im still in love with music. Music is my religion and savior. Mixing is usually helpful. Don't lipsync. Warm up. Love the music more than the emotion will allow so you dont tear up and warble in feelings. And try not to ever give a bad performance if you find yourself on Mtv.
I find this curious when you were talking about "My Songs Know What You Did In The Dark". I don't have any training IN VOICE (I've played wind instruments for years, so I can tell when I've hit a note), I've only ever sung for myself, but I have no trouble going back and forth between the "light 'em up' and the 'on fire'. I feel something in my throat shift when I go up higher like that almost like...I suppose a gearshift in a car changing gears, is the only way I can think to explain it.
A gearshift is a good description for switching from chest to a twangy/edgy head voice for a part like that. Doing that part in a full-sounding voice, over and over, is extremely difficult. Even Patrick Stump doesn’t stay in a full voice when doing it live, if he jumps up to the higher part at all. -Draven
@@RockSingingSuccess appreciate the feedback, I enjoy your channel. 👍
Great video. Just DM'd you!
This sounds like an exciting approach! Your "leaning" method of "releasing air instead of pushing it", your method of "breathing down and behind you" - it seems to me that instead of primarily engaging the abdominals, that would primarily engage the intercostal muscles in between the ribs and if so, since they're fairly small muscles compared to the abdominals, is there a risk of pulling an intercostal muscle when doing breath support in the manner for aggressive rock vocals? Or is there another muscle besides the intercostals that is the primary muscle that gets engaged for helping release the air?
The diaphragm - which you can easily find my using the hissed "Sss" like I describe around 2:25. The diaphragm controls the speed of release, and it's the hold down of the diaphragm that you actually feel. So when you breathe into the lower back (actually the intercostals, like you noted), and then lean through the solar plexus for volume, singing feels like a release or loud sigh, rather than a push. When singing "aggressively" it might feel like your whole core braces to help hold a phonation steady, but that's quite different than pushing or shouting. I think you'll notice your overall throttle is far too heavy, pushing, and shouty, putting a lot of risky tension in the throat, before you're ever at risk of pulling your intercostals. I often tell students that if they feel any tension in the neck, try to move it into the diaphragm instead. Even if you flex your upper abs, it's far safer than extra neck and throat tension. -Draven
@@RockSingingSuccess Thank you!
When you lost your head voice for three months, how did you determine that you hadn't injured your vocal cords and that what had happened was you had pulled a muscle? Did a laryngologist tell you what muscle you had hurt? I ask because I'm injured and I'm wondering if I have hurt a strap muscle, since when I have a stroboscopy, my vocal cords look good but I keep having hoarseness, I can't sing often and when I do sing I don't have my whole range. How do you suggest I find out what I have injured when it doesn't show on a strobe scope?
I'm so sorry to hear about your injury! I know how scary that was for me. I can only imagine what you're feeling right now. It took me 3 months to get an appointment with an ENT. Thankfully, it was the top ENT in Denver. He determined that whatever I did had healed already, so there was no permanent damage. After a long examination, scope, and other tests, his best guess was that I had pulled a muscle. At that point, it didn't matter which one. The pain being near the thyroid gland was a likely indication of one of the two main muscles there that help move the larynx, and can cause muscle tension dysphonia. However, I was starting to get my head voice back, and the pain was progressively getting better, so he didn't think we needed any major tests like an MRI. You might ask the laryngologist or ENT if they think an MRI is warranted. I was definitely on my way to recovery after 3 months, and it took another year before I didn't feel it at all anymore. Those muscles take a long time to heal, but if it's already gone on a long time for you, I definitely suggest getting professional medical advice with advocating for doing whatever it takes to find the core issue.
@@RockSingingSuccess Thank you so much! I believe I'm seeing some signs of improvement with my condition, but the condition of my voice fluctuates quite a bit so I'm going to get a second opinion from a top ENT in Philadelphia in July. She was trained by Dr. Robert Sataloff. In the mean time I'm following my coach's advice of using a nebulizer, using SOVT exercises with a straw to warm up, not straining when I sing and doing everything I can to minimize any potential acid reflux.
@@russellspear6188 That's great advice! I personally prefer a steam inhaler instead of a nebulizer for the warmth and bigger water droplets. For some reason, a nebulizer dries me out. SOVT of any sort, especially a straw, is a great way to keep your voice balanced. I'm sure you already know, but please keep it light and slowly build back up, staying under any amount that causes pain. I also suggest putting a large focus on staying lifted into a top-down whimper or cried voice. This helps you stay off the throat more and still get good compression. But again, try not to push the line of it hurting. Stay lighter than that. If it doesn't hurt, you're likely okay to do it - at least for a bit. -Draven
@@RockSingingSuccess That's very generous of you to share that advice with me. I truly appreciate it. I'll make a point of recommending your KZread channel to other singers I come across who are looking for a new YT channel to follow. I find it interesting and quite sad, that for whatever reason, KZread gives massive amounts of exposure to a few people (some of whom don't deserve it) and then there are some people who genuinely deserve and could benefit from being given some more exposure, but apparently, what they offer doesn't line up with what the YouTue algorithm is programmed to push! I've seen the effect it has on some people who are fortunate enough to have gotten huge amounts of exposure and they're people who seem to think: "The more subscribers I have, the more qualified I am to teach and the more I can justify charging for coaching sessions." There are vocal coaches on KZread who have garnered in excess of 400K subscribers who seem to think that entitles them to make more money than the average surgeon makes!
@@russellspear6188 I'm glad I could help, and really appreciate the referrals! I don't think we're cheap by any means, but we do love helping whenever we can, and have courses, this channel, and even the brand new free community (in the video description) and podcast to help those who can't afford one-on-one lessons. -Draven
The links to buy the courses do not work
Thanks for letting me know, the links should work now.
We recently moved websites and everything broke despite having the right settings. Working on reconnecting our shopping cart now.
Interesting, love to learn this, but is this safe for vocal longevity, in short healthy?
Done with the right placement and not pushed, it only really affects the false cords. It takes some conditioning for them to get used to the extra vibrations, not unlike a new trumpet player’s lips need conditioning for the same. In general, most grit feels like relaxing into a neutral larynx, and screams feels like light head voice. It feels FAR less harsh than it sounds.
Next level stuff!!! Very cool! Cheers✌
Howdy!
Hey Ryan!
Excellent coaching and teaching!
Thank you! Please share this video if you find it's helping!
I'm not gonna lie. I clicked because i thought the thumbnail was David Dramian. Stayed for the good vid :D
Thanks That's the first time I've gotten that comment about how I look. Not bad, haha! I'm glad you liked the video. Feel free to ask questions anytime.
Interesting
I snapped it in literally the first 3 minutes and I've been struggling for years
Awesome! I have a course that shows how to turn that one sound into about 30 others. Feel free to ask questions if you need help!
@@RockSingingSuccess for sure man, thank you very much! I'm definitely buying that course, just give me a bit of time to get some cash first 🙈 this is really interesting, especially the way you explained it!
I have been trying to learn how to fry scream for about a year. I've for the most part gotten false chord screams down but fry continues to escape me. I've just found your channel and so far I've already found multiple tips to help with my cleans and distortion
I’m glad I could help! Feel free to ask questions!
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I record originals and covers that I love and that I enjoy playing, and if others like it, that's a bonus! I appreciate every like, comment and sub I get, but I don't worry about being popular. I figure if I play from love, I will draw attention from people who resonate with me. But ultimately, I'm playing for me :)
I completely understand! I think every artist plays and writes for themselves first and foremost. And I don’t think those that pursue a career are necessarily in it for popularity. It only takes 1000 True Fans to make for a great music career! I wouldn’t really call that popular, just focused. I would add that to make a career out of your music, you have to consider if your songs and ways of expressing yourself are connecting with others. The beauty of the “ideal fan” I mention in the video is that they are often an extension of you - those that you naturally attract to you and that you love to be around often share the same interests with us, and definitely share many of the same values. So you’re right. You will draw attention from people who resonate with you. I would add that turning that into a career means knowing who those people are, intentionally connecting with them where they’re at, and building your career with their help and support.
@@RockSingingSuccess Yes, turning music into a career is a whole different ball of wax and one must be much more conscious of who their audience is and making sure they are appealing to them. This is one of the reasons I am glad I am not pursuing it as a career :)
There is a psychological truth that if you play a mediocre song often enough on the radio people will find it familiar and start to like it. Thus years ago radio DJ's had the freedom to play a new tune if they liked it. Now the playlists are highly controlled. During the gulf war the American Radio played in the sandbox for our troops consisted of prerecorded groups of song tracks recorded in California. Thus the DJ's were there between the songs but had not control of what they were playing. So you can have a great original song but if you are not the son in law of the gate keeper they will keep you out. You can't be pretty if nobody sees you!
I agree, and would add that the gatekeepers control a game you don’t have to play anymore, and arguably never had to. It’s all about who you know and if you’re worth knowing. It always has been, even when I started coaching bands nearly 30 years ago. When young Taylor Swift told her manager that she wanted to go gold, he told her that in order to do that she needed to meet 500k people. So that’s what she did. She has an incredible connection with her fans because of it. Meeting and building a relationship with your ideal fan is far easier to do now than it was then. You can go to them, strike up conversations (not promotions) online in their comments, genuinely get curious about them, and they will get curious about you. Then you need to be worth knowing, adding even more value whenever they go to find it more about you. If you need a gatekeeper to reach your goals, then turn this mindset towards them. My band did that to become best friends with the top radio dj in town 30 years ago, and were sharing the stage with huge names in a very short time. One of my students and good friends did this recently with her dream goal producers, and was working with the top producers in rock music, the Churkos, by the time she released her second song! Covers can help, sure. But they’re not a necessity. Great songs aren’t even the most important. Connect with others in a meaningful way, nurture those relationships, and be consistent with the message and value you provide. Know your passion, what you’re naturally gifted at, and how those meld with what people are looking for. Know the emotions your music evokes, the actions it inspires, and the impression it leaves with people, and let that permeate how you present yourself to the world. Know who you naturally attract to you and who you love to be around, and where to find those people, then be there. Build relationships by connecting with those people and being worth their time. Promotion Is second to the above. And in today’s climate, micro music videos on social media are enough to grab eyeballs, if the songs are good and the visuals are entertaining. But that’s a distant second to intentionally finding your fans and building relationships in the comments.
Great sharing. I couldn't eat berries and any salty or crispy food 3 hours and less prior singing time. Plain and strong coffee as well.
It’s always been apples for me. -Draven
I have used the pitch pipe from time to time, my vibrato sets me off. I have to really focus on no vibrato
I definitely get that sometimes too. My first vocal teacher made me practice everything with and without vibrato, but my default is definitely a lot of vibrato!
Amazing video mate. You've explained things in a way that made much more sense to me. Really appreciate it.
Glad we could help!
I'm no singer but that helps when I try to sing. I still have friends because I never try sing where others might be alarmed.
I'm sorry. It appears your comment got lost in the mix. I'm glad I saw it. What keeps you from developing your singing skills further?
Hi Draven do you play league of legends as well as you sing?
Haha. Thanks for the compliment. I don’t game much these days.
@@RockSingingSuccess I'm having as much fun singing as I do gaming. And you're helping me a lot with your advice :)
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NEW SUBCRIBER HERE IAM A LOW CLASS SINGER, AND JOINING INTO COMPETITION , THANK YOUR FOR UNSELFISH TEACHING AND TACTICS. HIGHLY APPRECIATED
It’s my pleasure. -Draven
is it correct that opening your mouth wider when you go higher correct? i find this difficult when doing e sounds. also when doing e’s, is it normal to ‘smile’ to be able to get the sound or is this straining?
/ee/ is definitely a closed glottis (the opening of the vocal folds) vowel. When placed correctly, essentially towards the eyes, it sound and feels more like an /ih/. That said, even singing an /ih/ requires closing the jaw and more use of the smile/sneer you mentioned. However, most bowls open up more when Belting, depending on how shouty you want it to sound. For instance, /oo/ is usually more of an /ou/ or /ew/ when placed correctly, but more of an /oh/ when Belting. An /ee/ can sound much more of an /eh/ when Belting, depending on how open you like the sound. I hope that helps! -Draven
great lesson thankyou
Thank you!
Hi, my bridge is about E4-F4 as a baritone. Can I go higher with chest after training like you do (I think you start at E4 and go to B4 and higher)
Absolutely. It's just a matter of intelligent and precise adjustments (vowel shape, muscle engagement, twang, breath pressure management etc.). With belting powerfully I realised you should not underestimate the psychological aspects. You have to be committed and not give a damn about people hearing you or messing up. If you do, you're gonna thin out unconsciously and not have as much muscle mass as he does here
@@-xlntc91x- thanks for your insights, it gives me hope :)
It takes time to build the muscle for stability, especially past A4, but yes, you definitely can train up that high. It maxes out around D5 before you have to back away. But for singing (not training), I start to back off at the A4 and focus on shaping and compression, balancing cry and twang, for the sound. It feels much more relaxed than it sounds once the muscles are thick enough to stabilize it. There are much more intense and surgical exercises to build through the 2nd bridge (around A4) too. -Draven
@@RockSingingSuccess so it doesn’t matter if I am a baritone and could easily build chest to A4?
@@Mistrzdan I’m a natural baritone with bass extension and can sing up to C6. Granted, it changes to a whistle mix around E5. The main thing bring a baritone will do is give you a filter, more chesty sounding tone up high than someone who is more a natural tenor, especially up below E5. The sky is the limit on range. The record, if I remember correctly, is a G8 for a man, 4 octaves above middle C! At that point, it’s practically a dog whistle. -Draven
It's not the straw, but you who's genius my friend 😃 after all you put it together (to compose) the whole cry vocal mode has really helped me visualise by putting it into practise, and it became a gateway 🙏 I'll be seeing you soon, and thank you so much for all your help and support. 🔥👌
Awesome! I’m excited to help! -Draven
Dude your videos stand out big time - even from the big names. Although your channel is super small, I'm coming back to your videos here for the advice. It's spot on and super true without bullshit.
That means a lot to me. Thank you! Now to get my other teachers on here too and start ramping up our video output! - Draven
@@RockSingingSuccess I Did not know you're still active - I was worried you're off the grid since the last video is from early 2021. I'd love to see and hear new stuff! Do you offer one on one lessons?
@@suicideowlmusic I’m not sure I’ve ever been very active on KZread, haha! But that will change in the coming weeks, since we’ve launched our new marketplace. To be honest, I’m surprised my private lessons have done so well without much KZread - to the point of having multiple teachers. Comments like yours are very encouraging to really, finally get this channel going. I have courses and give private lessons. I trained my other teachers in the same methodology as well. I’m happy to help however I can. Definitely reach out. -Draven. unleashedsinger.com/
I love how this guy consistenly demonstrates the techniques as he's explaining
me too
same.
A lot of vocal coaches don't have videos. Draven doesn't have a lot but the ones he does show how great he is.
Bro! Legit stuff
Thanks! I'm doing a more in depth tutorial soon, like a highly summed up version of my full distortion course to add to the free Rock Singing 101 playlist. - D
Lol “it’s not going to hurt you unless it hurts”. I mean I guess that’s not wrong.
Yeah. Not the best wording choice. Haha! I'm going to do a longer, more thorough tutorial soon to add to the Rock Singing 101 Playlist, maybe pulling a lot from my course. -Draven
It's not going to cause damage unless it hurts. There.
I'm really having trouble distorting from A3 to D4. The tone just won't happen with compression, and the pitch is too low for decompressed distortion to project.
You need to focus on the fundamentals of Singing and shaping for distortion using the more sob and thinning side of cry vocal mode. If you’re not in my Rock Singing course, then think of it as not just a top down whimper lifting pressure up into the nasal cavities for a crying quality, but also sobbing and thinking through over-crying/sobbing using more pharynx (back of the mouth) focused /aw/ overtones. In the end, if you really want to get distortion under control, I highly suggest taking lessons.
Also, remember that compressed (forward/edging) to decompressed (back, /aw/) distortion is a spectrum, not black or white.