All 3 of them are very good singers, Susanne is just... another level...
@NN-df7hlКүн бұрын
The "accepting" Recitative 41:33 sounds awfully similar to the prior Recitatives that "reject." Still has a very stern quality. Can you say what differentiates it besides the "added winds?" BTW, I've seen the finale described as a Symphony unto itself: Intro | 1st Mvt: Variations, Cantata | 2nd Mvt "Scherzo": March, Fugue, Cantata | 3rd Mvt "Adagio": Hymn | Finale: Double Fugue, Hymn | Coda. I guess it won't match up in terms of Sonata or Ternary or Rondo forms. But I could see how it might've served as a general organizing principle. Or is that a stretch? ;)
@Nyssa337Күн бұрын
My best guess is that the "accepting" recitative established the major mode.
@NN-df7hlКүн бұрын
So much to love about this underrated masterpiece, from the dark Intro to the explosion of light at the start (a precursor to the 5th's finale???) to the rip-roaring finale, complete with "village band style" Theme 2 (haha!). But a special shout-out to Theme 2 in Mvt II -- that clarinet solo 13:01 joined by plucked strings. What a moment of graceful repose. Reminded me of the oboe cadenza in the 5th -- solo instrument suddenly spotlit and reaching emotional heights. Cheers! PS: Seems like the 4th paved the way for the 5th. But it's awesome on its own too! :)
@jeffreydheere4737Күн бұрын
Dutch Boy - Fist saw them in 1986 - always a beautiful color guard. Our running joke was there was something in the water in Canada that got those soprano horns screaming.
@michaelfarar42322 күн бұрын
Happy Birthday from another Gemini named Michael.
@giampaolo16473 күн бұрын
June, 2 2024, wherever you are in the universe....happy birthday!
@davidbewick92083 күн бұрын
Hi Mekel, Is this the full concert or is it a DVD release? I've seen other clips from what looks like the same performance of other songs? "You were on my mind" and "I'm not talking" for example?
@Nyssa3373 күн бұрын
This was the DVD that came out in 2007. There were other songs performed at the concert that weren't on the DVD but I don't know which ones.
@davidbewick92083 күн бұрын
@Nyssa337 thanks for the info Mekel. Keep the great videos coming! Much appreciated!
@stevnreed77634 күн бұрын
What a gem Victor is.
@SDGministry4 күн бұрын
Wow this is great
@NN-df7hl4 күн бұрын
What do you think about the bassoon @ 4:40? Old school conductors replaced it with the horn, like in the Expo. I read that in Beethoven's day the horn players needed time to change tubing to play in a different key. That's why Beethoven used the bassoon, although it does sound weird. The argument is that he would've used the horn if he had modern instruments. But if he really wanted a horn, not a bassoon, then why not just have an extra horn player standing by (no need for any instrument fiddling)??? PS: Makes me think of the controversy around the Eroica's coda (1st mvt) where Beethoven cuts off the trumpets from doing the complete main theme and gives 'em to the winds instead. A lot of conductors use trumpets all the way through now. I think Mackerras does that too? Speaking of which, there's a dark passage in the Eroica's finale coda that reminds me of the 5th's Scherzo return in the finale. Both are like symbols of how darkness & dread can return and why you always have to be vigilant. :) THANK YOU FOR THESE INCREDIBLE VIDEOS!!!
@Nyssa3374 күн бұрын
Just personal opinion of course, but I never think it's a good idea to try and guess what Beethoven "would have wanted". To me, that's like saying Beethoven would have played his piano sonatas on an electronic synthesizer had he had access to one. I prefer the bassoons in the recapitulation (and I'm a horn player). I always thought of it as a "weakened attempt" by Theme 2 to establish C Major after getting beat up in the development by C minor. It also mirrors the third movement the same way (menacing horns in the first scherzo, subdued bassoons in the second scherzo), only this time it's C minor that is tamed by C Major. Mackerras doesn't use the trumpets in the Eroica for the phrase in question because even though he used modern instruments and modern tuning, he utilized historic performance practice (which is why I like his cycle so much). His research is unbelievably detailed in the CD booklet and is very convincing.
@NN-df7hl3 күн бұрын
@@Nyssa337 Yes, I see now how it foreshadows the bizarrely weakened bassoons in the Scherzo! One last point about the 1st mvt: What do you think of David Hurwitz's analysis that the 2nd theme is transmogrified into a "psychotic nightmare" in the coda? The passage is Part 4 from 5:55 to 6:11, what you refer to as "inversion of march style motive." You can hear Hurwitz describe it at 16 mins and 2 seconds into his vid: kzread.info/dash/bejne/m6Vmj9dxj863cdo.html I never heard that before, and still wonder if I'm hearing it correctly. Cheers!
@Nyssa3373 күн бұрын
@@NN-df7hl - I see where Mr. Hurwitz is coming from, and it makes sense that the only theme of hope (theme 2) would be trampled in the C minor onslaught of the CODA. However, every aspect of the movement grows organically out of the 4 note motive that begins the symphony so its all related and anyone can pretty much hear what they wish to hear, which is part of the genius of Beethoven's compositional craft.
@rondaddydo5 күн бұрын
Soloist’s name?
@Nyssa3375 күн бұрын
Young Uck Kim
@tzeffsmainchannel5 күн бұрын
💕💖
@davidbewick92085 күн бұрын
Wonder if they actually know what a UB40 is in Going down to Liverpool?
@Nyssa3375 күн бұрын
Yes, they do. They've mentioned it in interviews on several occasions.
@davidbewick92085 күн бұрын
@@Nyssa337 Great stuff. It's a bit of a British thing.
@davidbewick92085 күн бұрын
@@Nyssa337 Keep the videos coming, great to be able to look back on a great band doing what they do best!
@littlebrookreader9496 күн бұрын
😂😂😂. Bravo!
@lescobrandon304710 күн бұрын
We old-timers all probably have heard about “Bette Davis eyes”. In Brooklynese, fugetaboutit.
@michelflament149510 күн бұрын
Ma susanna❤
@ruhstill139911 күн бұрын
Who is the conductor, please? And the wonderful orchestra?
@Nyssa33711 күн бұрын
Witold Rowicki with the London Symphony Orchestra
@tomlichnofsky.704811 күн бұрын
The Awesomeness!! 👊😎✊ DCI The 1980s!! 👍😎👌🍁
@tomlichnofsky.704811 күн бұрын
The Awesomeness that Is Continues!! 👊😎✊🍁 I Was In Kavaliers - Late 1982 -1983. And DUTCH BOY Drum and Bugle corps 🍁 From 1984 To The End of 1988 - Horn Line - Contra. 👍😊👌🍁 Memory's!! 🤔😲😊🍁
@RedStone57612 күн бұрын
ez promotion to concertomaster
@robertvillani831213 күн бұрын
Thanks to the teachers at KZread to improve my perspective. "Help what, who, and where you can" Only if I could go back to school and earn a system I believe in
@gameplaynowa277014 күн бұрын
In the end I was thinking that he was going out, but he bring the guy back so people could cheer all of them
@janbollaert683814 күн бұрын
There must be something wrong with her, nobody is that perfect. But we have yet to find out. In the mean time I only can agree with all other comments, she is beyond amazing.
@brewerjmichael14 күн бұрын
I've loved classical music my entire life but no piece of music has ever moved me like this one did...and watching it in Maestro and this video of the actual performance is just marvelous seeing the energy the orchestra and choir had to put into it. I cannot imagine the thrill it must have been to perform in the magnificent performance.
@user-ff7js7dc6h15 күн бұрын
Very attractive woman fantastic looks great voice love ❤ Al
@davidbewick920816 күн бұрын
Very easy to overlook the musical talents because of the beauty. Don't be fooled. Same goes for the rest of the band. Michael and Vicki are superb musicians.
@horacenyc49217 күн бұрын
i've said it before, but i SO appreciate these analyses of quartets; these compositions may be small in terms of performing forces, but they are NOT small form
@Nyssa33717 күн бұрын
Always nice to hear appreciation because (as I'm sure you know) it takes a lot of time to dig into a work. You're absolutely right about how much information content goes into a string quartet. The Op 50 quartets are more experimental than Haydn's previous quartets and don't get the attention that they should in my view. When I found the Quatuor Zaide's marvelous recording, I wanted to really dig into these more.
@tonyb422618 күн бұрын
Mr Magoo😂😂😂
@KorteWill18 күн бұрын
Fenomenális 😂😂
@bub140818 күн бұрын
Timeless beauty!
@GavotteGuy20 күн бұрын
Amazing job!
@G-RDY20 күн бұрын
thanks!
@DrAmanKapoor20 күн бұрын
Really Speaking Disney Should Recreate Victor Borge as a Cartoon Disney Character to honor him and keep his legendary genius alive❤
@ahoj772021 күн бұрын
Could you consider another masterpiece of the Belgian school, ie Lekeu’s violin sonata. Its cyclic construction is so intricate that an analysis would greatly help appreciate the architecture of the work.
@ahoj772021 күн бұрын
I’m always striken by the similarity between the first theme of the first movement, as treated at the beginning of the development and the second theme of the first movement of Beethoven’s violin concerto.
@stpd195722 күн бұрын
This is great, well done and thank you.
@davidbewick920822 күн бұрын
The Hoffs head bang is still there as well!
@davidbewick920823 күн бұрын
The Hoffs hop is still there!
@MikeGSchroett23 күн бұрын
The pure joy on his face says it all
@alexanderdelgado395024 күн бұрын
Éste caballero si sabe para que es la música
@alejandroobregon783625 күн бұрын
I'm doing a work of Beethoven's symphonies and this was the only video I was missing, just in time!!! Thank you ❤
@Nyssa33724 күн бұрын
Glad to be of service.
@jameswest828026 күн бұрын
He was a class act.
@hmhmshinseo26 күн бұрын
Beautiful.. By the way, is "musical hiccup" at the end of the first mvt. an actual musical term? Or is it one of your witty inventions 😂
@Nyssa33726 күн бұрын
My term. I thought it was the best way to describe it.
@pansyr459627 күн бұрын
OMFG YOU MADE IT ON TIME 🎉🎉
@Nyssa33727 күн бұрын
😎
@DerpDerp300127 күн бұрын
The second movement should have the structure of Exposition Development Recapitulation Trio Exposition Development Recapitulation
@Nyssa33727 күн бұрын
That’s also a valid interpretation. Not all musicologists agree on it though so I went with a more basic interpretation.
@SaxSJimmy27 күн бұрын
GREAT JOB! THANKS! 13:28 D Msjor 😁
@WoFfan1327 күн бұрын
Call me crazy but I THINK this recording was used in the film ‘Copying Beethoven’ during the 9th’s premiere; I could be wrong though 🤔
@Nyssa33727 күн бұрын
You caught me. 😊 The entire recording is the Mackerras/Royal Liverpool CD as mentioned in the video description. HOWEVER the last few minutes (from 59:30) I lifted from the Copying Beethoven soundtrack simply because I liked the energy of that performance better. I’m impressed by your aural skills in identifying that. I love that movie too.
@WoFfan1327 күн бұрын
I knew that last bit sounded familiar! A great film that was!
@hmhmshinseo27 күн бұрын
What a gem of a video
@cloverisfan81827 күн бұрын
13:52 2nd movement 27:37 3rd movement 39:32 finale Also check out Liszt’s arrangement of Beethoven 9 for solo piano. It is so underrated.
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reallly nice thanks for the vid!
All 3 of them are very good singers, Susanne is just... another level...
The "accepting" Recitative 41:33 sounds awfully similar to the prior Recitatives that "reject." Still has a very stern quality. Can you say what differentiates it besides the "added winds?" BTW, I've seen the finale described as a Symphony unto itself: Intro | 1st Mvt: Variations, Cantata | 2nd Mvt "Scherzo": March, Fugue, Cantata | 3rd Mvt "Adagio": Hymn | Finale: Double Fugue, Hymn | Coda. I guess it won't match up in terms of Sonata or Ternary or Rondo forms. But I could see how it might've served as a general organizing principle. Or is that a stretch? ;)
My best guess is that the "accepting" recitative established the major mode.
So much to love about this underrated masterpiece, from the dark Intro to the explosion of light at the start (a precursor to the 5th's finale???) to the rip-roaring finale, complete with "village band style" Theme 2 (haha!). But a special shout-out to Theme 2 in Mvt II -- that clarinet solo 13:01 joined by plucked strings. What a moment of graceful repose. Reminded me of the oboe cadenza in the 5th -- solo instrument suddenly spotlit and reaching emotional heights. Cheers! PS: Seems like the 4th paved the way for the 5th. But it's awesome on its own too! :)
Dutch Boy - Fist saw them in 1986 - always a beautiful color guard. Our running joke was there was something in the water in Canada that got those soprano horns screaming.
Happy Birthday from another Gemini named Michael.
June, 2 2024, wherever you are in the universe....happy birthday!
Hi Mekel, Is this the full concert or is it a DVD release? I've seen other clips from what looks like the same performance of other songs? "You were on my mind" and "I'm not talking" for example?
This was the DVD that came out in 2007. There were other songs performed at the concert that weren't on the DVD but I don't know which ones.
@Nyssa337 thanks for the info Mekel. Keep the great videos coming! Much appreciated!
What a gem Victor is.
Wow this is great
What do you think about the bassoon @ 4:40? Old school conductors replaced it with the horn, like in the Expo. I read that in Beethoven's day the horn players needed time to change tubing to play in a different key. That's why Beethoven used the bassoon, although it does sound weird. The argument is that he would've used the horn if he had modern instruments. But if he really wanted a horn, not a bassoon, then why not just have an extra horn player standing by (no need for any instrument fiddling)??? PS: Makes me think of the controversy around the Eroica's coda (1st mvt) where Beethoven cuts off the trumpets from doing the complete main theme and gives 'em to the winds instead. A lot of conductors use trumpets all the way through now. I think Mackerras does that too? Speaking of which, there's a dark passage in the Eroica's finale coda that reminds me of the 5th's Scherzo return in the finale. Both are like symbols of how darkness & dread can return and why you always have to be vigilant. :) THANK YOU FOR THESE INCREDIBLE VIDEOS!!!
Just personal opinion of course, but I never think it's a good idea to try and guess what Beethoven "would have wanted". To me, that's like saying Beethoven would have played his piano sonatas on an electronic synthesizer had he had access to one. I prefer the bassoons in the recapitulation (and I'm a horn player). I always thought of it as a "weakened attempt" by Theme 2 to establish C Major after getting beat up in the development by C minor. It also mirrors the third movement the same way (menacing horns in the first scherzo, subdued bassoons in the second scherzo), only this time it's C minor that is tamed by C Major. Mackerras doesn't use the trumpets in the Eroica for the phrase in question because even though he used modern instruments and modern tuning, he utilized historic performance practice (which is why I like his cycle so much). His research is unbelievably detailed in the CD booklet and is very convincing.
@@Nyssa337 Yes, I see now how it foreshadows the bizarrely weakened bassoons in the Scherzo! One last point about the 1st mvt: What do you think of David Hurwitz's analysis that the 2nd theme is transmogrified into a "psychotic nightmare" in the coda? The passage is Part 4 from 5:55 to 6:11, what you refer to as "inversion of march style motive." You can hear Hurwitz describe it at 16 mins and 2 seconds into his vid: kzread.info/dash/bejne/m6Vmj9dxj863cdo.html I never heard that before, and still wonder if I'm hearing it correctly. Cheers!
@@NN-df7hl - I see where Mr. Hurwitz is coming from, and it makes sense that the only theme of hope (theme 2) would be trampled in the C minor onslaught of the CODA. However, every aspect of the movement grows organically out of the 4 note motive that begins the symphony so its all related and anyone can pretty much hear what they wish to hear, which is part of the genius of Beethoven's compositional craft.
Soloist’s name?
Young Uck Kim
💕💖
Wonder if they actually know what a UB40 is in Going down to Liverpool?
Yes, they do. They've mentioned it in interviews on several occasions.
@@Nyssa337 Great stuff. It's a bit of a British thing.
@@Nyssa337 Keep the videos coming, great to be able to look back on a great band doing what they do best!
😂😂😂. Bravo!
We old-timers all probably have heard about “Bette Davis eyes”. In Brooklynese, fugetaboutit.
Ma susanna❤
Who is the conductor, please? And the wonderful orchestra?
Witold Rowicki with the London Symphony Orchestra
The Awesomeness!! 👊😎✊ DCI The 1980s!! 👍😎👌🍁
The Awesomeness that Is Continues!! 👊😎✊🍁 I Was In Kavaliers - Late 1982 -1983. And DUTCH BOY Drum and Bugle corps 🍁 From 1984 To The End of 1988 - Horn Line - Contra. 👍😊👌🍁 Memory's!! 🤔😲😊🍁
ez promotion to concertomaster
Thanks to the teachers at KZread to improve my perspective. "Help what, who, and where you can" Only if I could go back to school and earn a system I believe in
In the end I was thinking that he was going out, but he bring the guy back so people could cheer all of them
There must be something wrong with her, nobody is that perfect. But we have yet to find out. In the mean time I only can agree with all other comments, she is beyond amazing.
I've loved classical music my entire life but no piece of music has ever moved me like this one did...and watching it in Maestro and this video of the actual performance is just marvelous seeing the energy the orchestra and choir had to put into it. I cannot imagine the thrill it must have been to perform in the magnificent performance.
Very attractive woman fantastic looks great voice love ❤ Al
Very easy to overlook the musical talents because of the beauty. Don't be fooled. Same goes for the rest of the band. Michael and Vicki are superb musicians.
i've said it before, but i SO appreciate these analyses of quartets; these compositions may be small in terms of performing forces, but they are NOT small form
Always nice to hear appreciation because (as I'm sure you know) it takes a lot of time to dig into a work. You're absolutely right about how much information content goes into a string quartet. The Op 50 quartets are more experimental than Haydn's previous quartets and don't get the attention that they should in my view. When I found the Quatuor Zaide's marvelous recording, I wanted to really dig into these more.
Mr Magoo😂😂😂
Fenomenális 😂😂
Timeless beauty!
Amazing job!
thanks!
Really Speaking Disney Should Recreate Victor Borge as a Cartoon Disney Character to honor him and keep his legendary genius alive❤
Could you consider another masterpiece of the Belgian school, ie Lekeu’s violin sonata. Its cyclic construction is so intricate that an analysis would greatly help appreciate the architecture of the work.
I’m always striken by the similarity between the first theme of the first movement, as treated at the beginning of the development and the second theme of the first movement of Beethoven’s violin concerto.
This is great, well done and thank you.
The Hoffs head bang is still there as well!
The Hoffs hop is still there!
The pure joy on his face says it all
Éste caballero si sabe para que es la música
I'm doing a work of Beethoven's symphonies and this was the only video I was missing, just in time!!! Thank you ❤
Glad to be of service.
He was a class act.
Beautiful.. By the way, is "musical hiccup" at the end of the first mvt. an actual musical term? Or is it one of your witty inventions 😂
My term. I thought it was the best way to describe it.
OMFG YOU MADE IT ON TIME 🎉🎉
😎
The second movement should have the structure of Exposition Development Recapitulation Trio Exposition Development Recapitulation
That’s also a valid interpretation. Not all musicologists agree on it though so I went with a more basic interpretation.
GREAT JOB! THANKS! 13:28 D Msjor 😁
Call me crazy but I THINK this recording was used in the film ‘Copying Beethoven’ during the 9th’s premiere; I could be wrong though 🤔
You caught me. 😊 The entire recording is the Mackerras/Royal Liverpool CD as mentioned in the video description. HOWEVER the last few minutes (from 59:30) I lifted from the Copying Beethoven soundtrack simply because I liked the energy of that performance better. I’m impressed by your aural skills in identifying that. I love that movie too.
I knew that last bit sounded familiar! A great film that was!
What a gem of a video
13:52 2nd movement 27:37 3rd movement 39:32 finale Also check out Liszt’s arrangement of Beethoven 9 for solo piano. It is so underrated.