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Midwest Motoring is obsessed with classic sports cars. We want to stir up enthusiasm for these machines and make sure they're taken care of and driven as they should be! We'll do the occasional review of a classic car, help you shop for tools, and help you get your car out of the garage and on to the road. We're constantly creating videos to share the driving experience and to offer how-to tutorials that (for the most part) you can follow at home with basic skills and a few tools. Learn how to keep your classic sports car on the road, and help us share our crazy hobby!

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  • @tjm3900
    @tjm390011 минут бұрын

    Thank you ! Lots of good advice and some myths exploded. Despite what the manual says, gear oil or even Non Detergent motor oil is not optimal for our manual transmissions. One thought. According to the 'Driven' oil website, considering the materials of our engine and the clearances, a 20w-50 would be too high viscosity. Do you think that weight oil was originally specified with the expectation that it would shear down in use ? Older oils were more susceptible to shear in those days ? I have noticed lower oil temps with xxw-40 oil. Not that oil temps ever get excessive.

  • @midwestmotoring
    @midwestmotoring4 минут бұрын

    That might have something to do with it for sure. I know some people who use 10w40 in their Triumphs with no issues, and Lake has a video out talking about how it's possible to increase friction and reduce wear... so maybe the goal has changed along with engine design? Anyway, the best thing to do is to try it and test it. That's how you'll know what's going on inside!

  • @truckladders4104
    @truckladders4104Сағат бұрын

    Lake you did a masterful job on fuel dilution A huge issue that is rarely properly discussed. You touch on the habit of how deadly a mid storage fire up is for the oil It may be noted that if you start the engine you should run it a minimum of 180 f engine temp Well done on the fuel dilution another good example is an engine that runs on Alcohol/Nitro and how the oil starts at SAE70 and after 10 seconds( warm up, burnout ,and run and the viscosity is closer to 30wt. Ever notice how used nitro oil is milky! Good job overall well done

  • @tjm3900
    @tjm390025 минут бұрын

    Yes, but that is NOT 180 f on just the coolant gauge, it is 180f saturated ENGINE temp (oil temp)

  • @midwestmotoring
    @midwestmotoringМинут бұрын

    @@tjm3900 good point! Basically, if you're not going to go for a drive, just leave the car alone. It'll be just fine.

  • @frankmgallo
    @frankmgalloСағат бұрын

    Lots and lots of information.I watched all these videos with you and that brainiac and it’s all super interesting. Thanks

  • @midwestmotoring
    @midwestmotoring2 минут бұрын

    Interestingly, he's got a recent video out where he was talking to a PHD in the subject, so apparently there are folks even more knowledgeable on the subject out there! Glad to still be helpful!

  • @ianwilliams1448
    @ianwilliams14483 сағат бұрын

    Remember to wedge the throttle pedal to the floor. You'll get a big increase in compression

  • @midwestmotoring
    @midwestmotoring2 сағат бұрын

    Depends on the carburetors. In an SU or Zenith-Stormberg, the air piston is still going to be mostly or fully down--so even with the throttle open it won't make a significant difference in compression readings. With a Weber, that's a different story since they don't have an air piston and therefore don't operate the same way. Also, remember that the gauge probably isn't super accurate anyway--especially since the dynamic compression while the engine is running is likely to be quite different than the static pressure from just turning it over. What we're looking for is a comparison between the different cylinders; not the absolute compression reading.

  • @Ghostronix
    @GhostronixКүн бұрын

    Jenny said she never heard of Lake.

  • @midwestmotoring
    @midwestmotoring22 сағат бұрын

    My wife said the same thing. I saw him being interviewed at the PRI trade show in Indiana last year, and geeked out that I knew who it was. My wife, who was also there, was like "Who?"

  • @tutnallman
    @tutnallmanКүн бұрын

    we cannot buy 2 by 4 in Britain.....

  • @midwestmotoring
    @midwestmotoringКүн бұрын

    Just take the lumber out of a Morgan.

  • @jvanschie942
    @jvanschie9422 күн бұрын

    working on my neighbours 1950 rillie rms ? changed to electronic ignition and now to adjust the SU carbs after I repair the exhaust leak and water leak thanks for the insite. also there is no oil in the dash pots or a dip stick only brass caps ?

  • @midwestmotoring
    @midwestmotoringКүн бұрын

    The brass caps should unscrew, and there would be oil underneath.

  • @tjm3900
    @tjm39003 күн бұрын

    There are several factors to consider for the required ZDDP level in any given engine . Valve spring pressure, Cam to lifter contact patch, Cam profile, engine (intended) rpm, Valve train inertia, and others. Many, many engines have survived to very high mileages with oils containing ZDDP levels lower than 1100 ppm (see Irv Gordon and his multi million mile Volvo). Yes, specialized oils may be the answer, but for some of us it is not viable to have to mail order these special lubricants. Excellent UOA's have been recorded with oil's such as Rotella T6 and even Mobil 1 European formulation. I appreciate what Lake says and follow his videos, but as always, nothing is quite Black and White.

  • @midwestmotoring
    @midwestmotoring2 күн бұрын

    That's fair enough, but remember that the multi-million-mile Volvo probably had the vast majority of its oil changes done before the last decade. I'd be curious to see UOA results before and after--or I wonder if anyone's done back-to-back testing using a classic car motor oil followed by an off-the-shelf oil. All that said, you make a great point about the valve spring pressures, which are a big part of the equation. Flipping sides again... Rotella T6 and other diesel oils may have higher ZDDP content, but as noted in the videos it's a different type of ZDDP and may not be active at the pressures generated in a gas engine. I do still think the specialty oils may be the best bet, and would note that you generally don't have to mail order the lubricants. At least in the US, Valvoline VR1 is available at any Auto Zone (and most other parts stores), and you can find Castrol Classic through Walmart. They're widely available, inexpensive, and according to Lake suitable for classics. In any case, I'm sure we'll all agree that regular maintenance and driving the cars is much more important than which brand of oil you choose.

  • @tjm3900
    @tjm39003 күн бұрын

    Lake is saying that ZDDP levels in the 1100 -1400 ppm range as suitable. Lucas Hot Rod 20w50 is said to be 2100 ppm. This 'seems' too high and likely in a range where corrosion could be an issue 😮

  • @midwestmotoring
    @midwestmotoring2 күн бұрын

    Aybe as a standalone factor. I think the general level for corrosion is a little higher anyway (I could be wrong), but even more important than the zddp level is how it compares to other levels, such as detergents. Remember it's a balancing act. But either way it'd be interesting to see a wear comparison....

  • @tjm3900
    @tjm39003 күн бұрын

    I would have liked Lake to comment on the suitability of Manual Transmission Lubes in O/D gearboxes

  • @midwestmotoring
    @midwestmotoringКүн бұрын

    We might in one of the other parts of this 3 part video. MT90 or MT85 is what I use in all of my classics. Perfectly suitable for an overdrive, and in fact better than many 30w oils without additives.

  • @tjm3900
    @tjm3900Күн бұрын

    @midwestmotoring I had this discussion a awhile back with Richard Widman (Widman International), he did not know of an oil formulation on the market that was 'ideally' suited for Laycock O/D's + gearboxes, but did comment on an industrial lubricant that is used primarily for earthmoving equipment. Unfortunately, it is only available in 50 gallon drums. I have had good luck with MTL's in my O/D box for over 25 years. I think MT90 may be a bit too high viscosity for our use (especially in Northern latitudes) MT85 might be better, and even Pennzoil Synchromesh (but that could be too light. I am surprised specialist vendors such as Penrite have not produced and marketed a specific product.

  • @boatboattmmrp9950
    @boatboattmmrp99505 күн бұрын

    Just in time! I’m in the middle of restoring my 1979 Triumph Spitfire 1500. I’m rebuilding the engine and I’ve been scratching my head over the unknowns of what oil is best for this application.

  • @midwestmotoring
    @midwestmotoring5 күн бұрын

    Glad to help. There's one more coming!

  • @thisisyourcaptainspeaking2259
    @thisisyourcaptainspeaking22596 күн бұрын

    Bla-bla-bla... I've given up on discovering which motor oil to use and why, in my flat tappet gasoline engines.

  • @midwestmotoring
    @midwestmotoring6 күн бұрын

    Not completely it seems, or you wouldn't have watched the video. ;) The truth is that in a lot of cars it matters less. But at the same time, VR1 and Castrol Classic are often cheaper than the oil you might put in your daily driver... so why not use it and get the more suitable oil?

  • @tjm3900
    @tjm39003 күн бұрын

    Too bad. It may sound complicated, but with a little education from sites and videos such as this, you CAN make informed choices that will make a difference. Sorry, the days are over where you just buy a can of Castrol GTX

  • @vijaywaingankar8352
    @vijaywaingankar83527 күн бұрын

    Good job sir❤

  • @midwestmotoring
    @midwestmotoring6 күн бұрын

    Thank you!

  • @hayukeen1127
    @hayukeen11277 күн бұрын

    Can you post a video on how to use a timing light and explaining how advance timing works?

  • @midwestmotoring
    @midwestmotoring7 күн бұрын

    A few of the videos show the procedure, but it's really difficult to show the timing light and how to use it. The trouble is the frame rate of the camera, which is maybe 30 frames per second. That makes it hard to show the flash from a timing light, which would appear to be inconsistent and not as meaningful as in real life. There is a video related to the distributor though, which may be helpful!

  • @midwestmotoring
    @midwestmotoring7 күн бұрын

    Here: this might help with an explanation of advance timing. kzread.info/dash/bejne/X56TlrGJdceaiMo.html

  • @hayukeen1127
    @hayukeen11277 күн бұрын

    @@midwestmotoringthanks for that! Yea it’s was very informative. I’m just kinda stuck. I sent my distributor out to advance to get rebuilt. Got it back and he said to put it between 14-17 BTDC. Putting it at 14, my car runs fine I have standard points. I have an electronic timing gun that you can set the advance on it with a dial. I’ve been told the MAX amount of advance you want on a TR6 is a range of 28-32. I set the gun to 30 and point it at the pulley but it doesn’t line up with TDC. Clicking up on the timing gun eventually I get to 46 and it lines up with the TDC mark. What gives?

  • @midwestmotoring
    @midwestmotoring7 күн бұрын

    You're overthinking it. The distributor is only capable of a certain amount of advance, so I doubt it's getting to 46. By the way that max advance is also at high RPM, such as 4000 rpm, so if youre trying to set the timing that far at idle thats the wrong idea. If it runs well at 14 at idle, just bolt it down and go for a drive. If there's no pinging and it runs well you're good to go!

  • @hayukeen1127
    @hayukeen11277 күн бұрын

    @@midwestmotoring yea that’s the thing I’m getting back fire through the carbs and poor acceleration under load. It’s strange I’ve tried going back and forth on this timing but can’t seem to get it right. I’m thinking of installing a Petrnoix electric ignition and just doing away with the points

  • @michaelowen6197
    @michaelowen61978 күн бұрын

    I watched for 21 minutes and no answers.

  • @midwestmotoring
    @midwestmotoring8 күн бұрын

    Part 2 might help, but what questions are you hoping to answer? Maybe I can just post it here.

  • @hotttt28
    @hotttt2810 күн бұрын

    Will this be similar to a tr-6 j type o/d ?

  • @midwestmotoring
    @midwestmotoring10 күн бұрын

    Yeah, it's not too terribly different. The biggest changes will be that a TR6 box comes apart more. So the layshaft is several pieces, for example. The bell housing will not come off, so it's a little harder to reach things up at the front and you'll need longer pullers. That sort of thing. It's all detail changes, but the gearboxes work the same way.

  • @hotttt28
    @hotttt2810 күн бұрын

    Synchros

  • @midwestmotoring
    @midwestmotoring10 күн бұрын

    The ones you can buy today are decent again. There was a problem with them in the past not being round.

  • @VQ38DD
    @VQ38DD10 күн бұрын

    a TGDI and GDI engine produces more soot than a modern day diesel. that's why API SP was created to protect timing chains from soot wear

  • @midwestmotoring
    @midwestmotoring10 күн бұрын

    I've heard this recently. Definitely interesting to know. It may also contribute to why oils are starting to come out that are both gasoline and diesel oils. Less of a difference in the additive package, so why market 2 different ones

  • @rickss69
    @rickss6911 күн бұрын

    Pretty simple answer...use the oil with the proper viscosity for your engine that has the highest film strength. This is usually the indicator of a superior additive package. The levels of ZDDP are a non-issue because ZDDP works exactly the same at 800ppm as it does at 1400ppm. ZDDP is doing nothing in oil until the moment the oil's film has been penetrated...the resulting heat/pressure is what activates the compound. If you are experiencing elevated ZDDP depletion you have either something seriously wrong in your engine or your choice of oil sucks.

  • @midwestmotoring
    @midwestmotoring11 күн бұрын

    I believe that the spring pressure forcing the lifters against the cam lobes has the potential to penetrate the oil's film, which is why ZDDP (in the correct amount) is beneficial. Mind you, not every classic car has very high spring pressures, but with oils like VR1 or Castrol Classic being the same or less money than other oils of the same viscosity... there's not much of a case to not use them. I did look up the spring pressures on a Triumph TR6 engine once. If I recall, it wasn't quite as high as a small block Chevy engine, but since the system is dynamic and pressures are different with the engine running, under load, etc... it could easily go into the zone where the ZDDP is activated.

  • @PSA78
    @PSA788 күн бұрын

    There's a difference in how parts are lubricated and sometimes that's due to the 'mechanical limitations'. A bearing can usually be fed a steady flow of oil so you can get hydrodynamic/full film lubrication. Other parts can't build or maintain that, like lifters (though there are lifters for some engines with a tiny hole that supply extra oil), so they need additives for mixed and boundary lubrication. ZDDP build on the surface and then get sacrificed, others continously circulate like moly. Piston rings go through all three lubrication regimes. And I guess the eye opener is that it's not always about what's in the bottle ⬆️ that matters, but what's not in it ⬇️. 😄

  • @midwestmotoring
    @midwestmotoring8 күн бұрын

    @@PSA78 it's helped me figure out what to run in the cars for sure. I'm just happy someone can explain the science in plain English--there's too much being spent on marketing to be sure otherwise. Thanks for the comment!

  • @rubyr.4812
    @rubyr.481211 күн бұрын

    Please find a different studio. The echo is terrible and the background noise is atrocious! Good subject info, if we could only hear it... 😎

  • @midwestmotoring
    @midwestmotoring11 күн бұрын

    Definitely noted. I'm looking into better microphones as well to help the sound quality in the future. Thank you!

  • @rubyr.4812
    @rubyr.481212 күн бұрын

    I always said we have to have a degree in Automotive Chemistry, just to own a car, now-a-days... 🤠 Good info, guys!

  • @midwestmotoring
    @midwestmotoring12 күн бұрын

    Either that, or know someone with a degree in automotive chemistry!

  • @tjm3900
    @tjm390012 күн бұрын

    I hope Lake addresses oil temperature in part 3. Lots of owners out there fitting oil coolers without knowing what their temps are, or what they should be. In the same vain, many owners start their cars during winter storage :-(

  • @midwestmotoring
    @midwestmotoring12 күн бұрын

    I think he does comment about high temps in the combustion chamber breaking down oil, but I don't remember if we touched on viscosity vs temperature since that's covered in his videos on the Motor Oil Geek channel. In any case, you're absolutely right about oil coolers. They're bad for engines unless you have a thermostat as well to prevent oil being cooled. Starting during the winter is less of an issue with a multi-viscosity oil, but if you do drive your car in the winter often then it's worth considering a 15w50 instead of the 20w50, or maybe even a 10w40 depending on the application. In any case, I don't feel the need to start my cars unless I'm going somewhere. Just change the oil in the fall when it's put away. No need to start it unless you're using the car.... which I don't do often in Chicago in January/February.

  • @mattborman5780
    @mattborman578012 күн бұрын

    Awesome video, awesome channel.

  • @midwestmotoring
    @midwestmotoring12 күн бұрын

    Thank you so much! I never get this kind of praise from my wife, so I'm glad you guys are here! :)

  • @johnbaumgart8850
    @johnbaumgart885012 күн бұрын

    What is the very best oil for a triumph tr6

  • @midwestmotoring
    @midwestmotoring12 күн бұрын

    So not to cop out on the question, but there are kind of a few answers. First of all, oil formulations are constantly changing--so for example Valvoline VR1 20w50 from a year ago is not the same as Valvoline VR1 20w50 from today. It's improved, so your choices will need to be updated all the time. Second, to the best of my knowledge no one has done testing on a TR6 engine specifically and analyzed the oil with various brands afterwards. Now all that said, unless you've built your TR6 power plant in a sealed room to super precise standards... you're not going to notice a difference between one oil and the next so long as it has sufficient anti-wear components (i.e. ZDP) in it. Driving on a hot day vs a cold one will probably play a larger role than the brand you use. If you want a recommendation for the "best" all around oil for a classic car similar to a TR6... then probably Driven GP-1 is what I understand to be the best at this time. There are others that are as good or nearly as good. But again... you're probably wasting your money on it if that's what you're using. If you're after a standard recommendation, then Valvoline VR1 in the engine, Redline MT90 in the gearbox, and Redline 75/90 or MT90 in the diff.

  • @tjm3900
    @tjm390012 күн бұрын

    ​@midwestmotoring I agree. But as classic car owners there is possibility MORE variation in how our cars are used. Some are garage queens, some are daily drivers, some are driven very hard (track days) climate and oil change intervals also play a part as does the condition of the engine (rebuilt to high standard, or old and high milage) These and many other factors play a roll.

  • @truequan
    @truequan12 күн бұрын

    Wow great explanation on gear oil, this sounds fact based ... Why ? LP's comment says it all "Either you're trusting or your testing"

  • @midwestmotoring
    @midwestmotoring12 күн бұрын

    It's a completely true story that I couldn't find much that was fact based so I had to make my own video. I reached out to Lake, and was floored with how willing to help he was. Great guy! Please support him if you need oil analysis or if you want to try Total Seal Piston Rings!

  • @robertdavidson3090
    @robertdavidson309012 күн бұрын

    How long ago did the change in VR-1 occur? I have a couple of 5 quart jugs in the garage. Not that I am worried but I have used it for a number of years due to the ZDDP content. I have a 1977 MGB which seem to be known for excessive cam wear. My car does have noticeably less acceleration that a friends MGA Coupe with a early 3 main 1800 engine from an early MGB. My engine has never been opened up with about 104,000 miles and I have owned the car since 1989. I am not worried about an engine teardown as the compression is still very solid and oil pressure at idle is around 50 pounds. Any info on the time of change in the oil would be great. Since we have more knowledge I seem to be thinking more about the oil and quality that has gone into the car over the last 20 years. It is nice to see that you have posted a video again. Keep up the good work.

  • @midwestmotoring
    @midwestmotoring12 күн бұрын

    It want to say it was sometime this year, but could have been late last year. In either case, VR1 (new or older) is going to be fine for your MG. It was good, now it's better is the takeaway. One important note is that engine oil does have a shelf life. I think Lake did a video on that for his Motor Oil Geek channel. As a rule, after about 5 years, the additives can separate out and the oil is no good. I don't believe it's as simple as stirring it back in, so it should be discarded.

  • @robertdavidson3090
    @robertdavidson30908 күн бұрын

    @@midwestmotoring I should be good then as the oil came via Amazon in 5 quart bottles. The local NAPA didn't have the quart bottles that I needed so it is what it is. I love your garage. Do you do a lot of British car work on your own? I love your channel and you break everything down so nicely so it is easy to follow. As long as I have lived in Grand Rapids I have never been more than 15 minutes from John Twist"s shop. Now he is retired he has a small workshop across the river from me and I can be there in 4 minutes. I am a lucky man. Keep up the good work. If I still lived in Aurora I would be picking your brain on a regular basis!

  • @midwestmotoring
    @midwestmotoring8 күн бұрын

    @@robertdavidson3090 you'd be welcome to visit. I do take on a bit of British car work. Most of it is on our own "fleet" of 4 Triumphs, a Mini, and a pair of Healeys. Not to mention the "real" cars.... But after starting the channel I've been booking up a lot of weekends and some evenings. If it keeps growing I'll have to decide if I like it more than the "real" job!

  • @truckladders4104
    @truckladders410412 күн бұрын

    If you own a true classic car you would still be better to look for and purchase the pre star burst and still get the technical analysis sheets

  • @midwestmotoring
    @midwestmotoring12 күн бұрын

    Just for clarification, I think you mean oil without a starburst and not oil that was made before they had the starburst. Even unopened engine oil is bad after a few years. Anyway, you're right that the info sheets on the oil are good and should be read. Just to be certain I'd add that it's also a good idea to have your oil tested periodically. That'll alert you to wear that's happening and to the condition of components you can't easily inspect. Thanks for the comment!

  • @americanpatriot2422
    @americanpatriot242212 күн бұрын

    Always an outstanding video and presentation.

  • @midwestmotoring
    @midwestmotoring12 күн бұрын

    Thanks again!

  • @hotttt28
    @hotttt2814 күн бұрын

    Love that Healy . Bought a 59 100-6 from a neighbor who left town in a hurry ! 500$ in 1969

  • @midwestmotoring
    @midwestmotoring14 күн бұрын

    That'd be a great deal today, even for a rust bucket!

  • @ptibbitts-nu9jr
    @ptibbitts-nu9jr14 күн бұрын

    Ok, thanks for the reply. But If you are going to tell a story - always start at chapter one! The wiring is not always obvious some oils are marked up differently. I broke down yesterday and needed to re- install points as a get you home measure, but found an electronic system installed. I looked at just under 3000 you tube videos trying to establish how to wire the distributor and coil, etc. BUT NOT ONE VIDEO INFORMED ME HOW TO DO IT - ALL QUITE USELESS!

  • @midwestmotoring
    @midwestmotoring14 күн бұрын

    I get it. Unfortunately like I said it's not the same on every car. In fact it's not the same even on the same car. Triumph Spitfires changed the wiring to the distributor at least 3 times. The reason such a video doesn't exist is because it's likely to be wrong for a lot of viewers. That said, as noted, the wiring diagram will always tell you what's correct for your car. As for markings on the coils, some are marked SW and CB. CB is for contact breaker, and the SW is for switch--meaning the ignition switch. It's still + and -, and still changes depending on whether your car is positive vs. negative ground. Glad you got things going and back on the road!

  • @ptibbitts-nu9jr
    @ptibbitts-nu9jr14 күн бұрын

    You didn't explain the wiring connections - this is a major item to check, because the system must be wired correctly to work.

  • @midwestmotoring
    @midwestmotoring13 күн бұрын

    Unfortunately the wiring changes depending on the car. This video was intended to be informational and not a tutorial to diagnose faults. To help with that, the wiring diagram for your car will show you the correct wiring in your specific case. You should never perform any serious maintenance without owning an appropriate shop manual, but that said I do look up information and often answer questions for our midwest motoring members. Thanks for the comment!

  • @ptibbitts-nu9jr
    @ptibbitts-nu9jr14 күн бұрын

    Good video, but you didn't explain the coil wiring polarity - which side of the coil does the single wire to the distributor connect to - positive or negative on the coil????

  • @midwestmotoring
    @midwestmotoring14 күн бұрын

    That varies. Your wiring diagram in the shop manual will always tell you. Generally, for a negative ground car it's the negative side of the coil goes to the distributor. That's if you're running points though. Electronic ignition complicates things. Long story short, it's not always the same, so you need the manual for your car.

  • @truckladders4104
    @truckladders410416 күн бұрын

    I have a lot of experience with British cars including jaguar. i did my apprentice ship at a BMC dealer. Lakes description in general is excellent. My major comment is that someone needs to do an expose on all motor oil brands claiming to have an advanced ZDP package and in particular are suitable for pre catalytic convertor engines. The information needs to present the oil only on its merits in other words technical data sheets and performance review's It must be entirely with out bias and any product or manufacturer that has claims of high ZDP I have followed Lake for some time since I happen to think its great to see the general interest in lubricants. Because you cant pour oil into a glass cup and see any structural difference with the human eye it leaves it open to interipation. The actual chemistry is complicated enough that the average person gets lost in the composition Lake does a good job of explaining the lubricant features. However as scientist you must divulge any bias or sponsorship from any manufacturer After you have done your testing on all of the products that you ask for or were submitted you can promote the winner. This should be done on an honest basis If a particular brand is only available in California it should be noted. All marketing claims unless backed by the data sheets should be shown as pitch points This must be an unbiased scientifically backed list There has been some incredible oil sales success stories based on inferior product but hyped to the public "because it works" Think STP,Lucas, Slick 50 etc. Because of the dollars of revenue oil sales can derive for a company the testing must be done on an unbiased technical basis. If the product submitted passes the test then they can make any claim . However if it does not that also should be shown.Motor oil is a huge market and not all producers are reputable . but if you are putting the oil in your 3.8l Jaguar you deserve to get the best oil for the job.More importantly you desrve to get the protection you think your paying for from the oil

  • @midwestmotoring
    @midwestmotoring16 күн бұрын

    I've considered such testing. In theory, I should fill my Austin-Healey with, say, VR1. Then drive a certain number of miles, change the oil, and send out a sample for evaluation. I could then try a different oil and repeat. The issue is that it's difficult to design such an experiment based around only 1 car, and it complicates things that the oil would be used over the span of multiple months--which means multiple seasons, different driving conditions, etc. Basically it's hard to define a control group. That's likely why it hasn't been done, as doing it properly would be fairly expensive. Maybe I can use the channel and make the survey results a bit more broad. If we have 100 cars using various oils, and they all send in for sampling... we could end up with something that's statistically more significant. Obviously some cars are going to be in different mechanical shape, or would be driven more or less frequently, etc etc, but if the distribution is large enough those things may be averaged out and wouldn't affect the end results since they'd be spread over a larger sample size.

  • @pedlpower
    @pedlpower17 күн бұрын

    Hey... where'd you go?

  • @midwestmotoring
    @midwestmotoring17 күн бұрын

    I've been here... just busy with the day job and family!

  • @pedlpower
    @pedlpower16 күн бұрын

    @@midwestmotoring I mean the video seemed to end before the interview was over. I'd love to see more!

  • @rubyr.4812
    @rubyr.481217 күн бұрын

    EXCELLENT INFORMATION Lake!

  • @midwestmotoring
    @midwestmotoring15 күн бұрын

    Glad it was helpful!

  • @robertpelen5358
    @robertpelen535817 күн бұрын

    Great discussion! So the latest spec of oil is good for antique and older cars? (With higher zinc levels)

  • @midwestmotoring
    @midwestmotoring17 күн бұрын

    No, that's not correct. The latest spec of oil is not good for classic cars. You're looking for an oil that's made for classic cars, such as Valvoline VR1, Castrol Classic, or Lucas Hot-Rod & Classic. What he was saying is that those oils are all based on modern oils--just with a different additive package that makes them okay for classics. If you don't have the classic car additive package, the oil is not recommended.

  • @robertpelen5358
    @robertpelen535816 күн бұрын

    @@midwestmotoring thanks

  • @truequan
    @truequan18 күн бұрын

    Sent question on flywheel Thx Henry

  • @midwestmotoring
    @midwestmotoring17 күн бұрын

    THANK YOU VERY MUCH! I hope I was able to answer your question!

  • @truckladders4104
    @truckladders410418 күн бұрын

    The catalytic convertor which was brought on sole to solve the emission requirements was the primary promoter to the reduction in ZDDp

  • @midwestmotoring
    @midwestmotoring17 күн бұрын

    Yep! It did it's job too. Technically, cars had catalytic converters in the 80s and 90s too, and the oil still had sufficient ZDDP that it wasn't a problem for classics. It wasn't until detergents were increased that it became a problem. It's all about balance.

  • @truckladders4104
    @truckladders410418 күн бұрын

    Good Video, A Few suggestions The overdrive he mentioned is a Laycock which today is a Gear Vendor. Itis a eperates sump and requires a Dex 3 minimum. They do not have a common sump with the trans. I have brought this up before but here it is Since you no longer work for Driven oil and Joe Gibbs but work for Total Seal Isn't it time for a comprehensive readily available list of motor oils that have not only ZDDp but an additive/base that is very favorable to older{pre emissions) As popular as this market may seem it is miniscule in volume when compared to newer PCMO and HDMO as well as Industrial. For a company to support, produce and market this speciality is quite a commitment. Particularly when they dont have one viscosity but have 10 different viscosities a consumer can choose. Where this is going is that I am a Schaeffer Specialized Lubricants distributor Schaeffers supports over ten different viscosities of high ZDDP speciality motor oils. It has a great reputation and you can test it or look at any of the readily available tech sheets. But to not even mention it as an independent consultant that people view as an expert is wrong. It appears you have a relationship with Shell/Pennzoil/Quaker State (all Shell brands) While I'm certain that Schaeffers may not have the marketing budget that other companies have as a scientist and an expert that people look to. You shouldn't be available as a pitch man Just compare the oils that are available from every manufacturer . Provide their Technical Bulletins and Spec sheets Let your now educated followers decide

  • @engtech10
    @engtech1018 күн бұрын

    11 minutes in on this video you got to 1st gear endfloat thrust washer. Well that thrust should be tested on both sides to achieve your best results. I found .017" on oneside and .007" on the other due to a inside corner radius. Thanks again for your internet pubs.

  • @midwestmotoring
    @midwestmotoring18 күн бұрын

    That's a good tip! More measurements are always a good thing. You might find one that doesn't make sense, and it could cause you to look for the reason and maybe catch a problem before it becomes serious. Thanks for the comment!

  • @user-xd7zr5zy8k
    @user-xd7zr5zy8k18 күн бұрын

    that Triumph does not have babbit bearings...... such as the Model A Fords had. and no oil filter in cars that old.

  • @midwestmotoring
    @midwestmotoring18 күн бұрын

    That's fair, but he was talking about earlier generations. A lot of the pre war stuff did use babbitt bearings, especially the old bikes. The TR6 engine is a descendent of the 2.0L GT6 engine, which came from the Vanguard, which came from etc etc. If you trace it back, they would have poured bearings.

  • @user-xd7zr5zy8k
    @user-xd7zr5zy8k18 күн бұрын

    those British cars were so great that they don't make them anymore

  • @midwestmotoring
    @midwestmotoring18 күн бұрын

    Just like those Chryslers. They must have been so bad that they're owned by Italians now.

  • @ricksorensen9480
    @ricksorensen948018 күн бұрын

    Tribology my friends,,we have the technology to reduce wear to a point that would ruin many businesses because everything that moves would last indefinitely and so no need to replace them,,..NASA,,and others use the same technology that is forbidden for the average person,,so if one uses this knowledge, they can have (Things),,that don't wear out,, OOPS,,don't tell anyone I said that,, I'm just a nobody with my opinions.

  • @midwestmotoring
    @midwestmotoring17 күн бұрын

    There's probably some truth to that. Maybe not indefinitely but certainly a lot longer. That said, the other side of the coin is cost. Sure, you can make a super oil that never wears out.... But you'd need NASA's budget to make that happen. Much cheaper to just change the oil for now.

  • @nta.16
    @nta.1618 күн бұрын

    As always very interesting when Lake Speed Jr. (The Motor Oil Geek YT channel) talks about oil and your interviewing was very interesting - but even with my headphones on the sound quality wasn't great, the mic was picking up some echo and some noisy machinery running which bleed over a lot of the discussion.

  • @midwestmotoring
    @midwestmotoring18 күн бұрын

    I know. The furnace was going since it was a cold morning that day. Apologies for that. I'll be investing in some better microphones in the future.

  • @cherrypicker8897
    @cherrypicker889719 күн бұрын

    This is the best discussion on oils I have seen on youtube. It ended too early, oil brand recommendations for classic cars would be great. A part 2 of this discussion is required. Very informative thanks.

  • @midwestmotoring
    @midwestmotoring19 күн бұрын

    Don't worry, part 2 is coming, followed by part 3....

  • @bobdefalco
    @bobdefalco19 күн бұрын

    I feel like I should be awarded a degree in chemistry. I am much smarter for having watched this!

  • @midwestmotoring
    @midwestmotoring19 күн бұрын

    @@bobdefalco the rabbit hole is deep. I'm definitely still learning

  • @bobdefalco
    @bobdefalco19 күн бұрын

    @@midwestmotoring We're all learning together, thanks to your channel!

  • @AuAgGeo
    @AuAgGeo19 күн бұрын

    Please go into the chemistry and generation data of ZDDP!!! But i love this. All i have been reading about for 18 months.

  • @AuAgGeo
    @AuAgGeo19 күн бұрын

    Also it's ironic I am subscribed to both of your channels independently. I really love this collaboration. Good job gents!!!

  • @midwestmotoring
    @midwestmotoring19 күн бұрын

    If I'm being honest, I was slightly star struck and didn't think he'd have time for the project. Glad that it worked out he was in the area, and pleased to report he's a truly nice guy who has time for those in the hobby. For my own cars I've gone from off-the-shelf oils, to using an additive that I combined with a 5-gallon pail of good oil (I go through a lot of oil, so that was gone in a year), to now using a dedicated classic car oil. If that's what the science says to do, that's what my LBCs shall receive! Spoiler alert if it wasn't in the 1st video: VR1 and Castrol Classic are just fine. I use Lucas Classic and Hotrod Oil, but that's a bit more money unless you're like me and buy in bulk.

  • @midwestmotoring
    @midwestmotoring19 күн бұрын

    Trying to figure out who to collaborate with next. It was fun getting to know someone else in the car world.

  • @jamcdona
    @jamcdona19 күн бұрын

    It ended too early!! I hope that there's a part 2 (deux) (dos) II I watch some of this guy's videos and it's great to hear him speak about Brit cars. I remember in the 2000's when the brit car guys were bitching about bad camshafts from Moss and other vendors. The metal was the culprit back then, IIRC. Cams lasting only months, etc...is there a part 2?

  • @midwestmotoring
    @midwestmotoring19 күн бұрын

    There's actually a part 2 AND a part 3. We went into gearbox oils, GL4 vs GL5, and even fuel additives. Stay tuned, and share with your friends!

  • @tylerwerrin41
    @tylerwerrin4120 күн бұрын

    Fabulous video series, thank you!

  • @midwestmotoring
    @midwestmotoring20 күн бұрын

    Thank you!

  • @mangomcb
    @mangomcb22 күн бұрын

    Outstanding video. Thanks

  • @midwestmotoring
    @midwestmotoring20 күн бұрын

    Glad to help!