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  @suarezguy25 күн бұрын

  Love both of them, both pretty hardheaded but they both have valid, understadnable points/perspectives, I think they both were and should be recognized as co-creators of the character.

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  @Dog0nWheelsАй бұрын

  Man, thanks for this walk down memory lane! I spent more time in Luton(101 games, EB, Software Cellar) buying/trading games but vividly remember rushing to Computer Friendly after school to buy Tekken 3 on release day. Good days ❤️

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  @sethcopeland4362Ай бұрын

  Stan lets the mask slip a bit.

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  @borben7220Ай бұрын

  this interviewer is a dick lol

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  @Johnmrobinson-vb5vdАй бұрын

  Stan had to much of an ego I think they both deserve credit

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  @suarezguy25 күн бұрын

  He definitely obviously has a lot of ego and yet was also willing to give/share credit.

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  @Johnmrobinson-vb5vd25 күн бұрын

  @@suarezguy yeah he was an odd fellow

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  @user-ed3io3pd9lАй бұрын

  Stan is the creator The idea is the most important thing . Literly anything even scientific facts and knowlegde are based on ideas I am not insulting dirko but If you have the idea you can get the artist from everywhere

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  @theresurrection656127 күн бұрын

  This situation and comic book creation is a bit more complex. Just Like in movies there are more than 1 people involved in the creation of something, more than 1 chef in the kitchen if you will! Also Ditko was the one who actually made the stories inside spiderman, where as stan lee only filled in the dialogue bubbles after ditko had already drawn the visual story. Ditko is officially and rightfully the co creator.

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  @nick_galfi93122 ай бұрын

  I watched this documentary six years ago. It was so eye opening, steve ditko, while not treated as unjustly as Bill Finger, still got a poor deal. They both led tragic lives after giving the world two of the greatest super heroes known to man.

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  @outcastkatsuki2 ай бұрын

  Down the spiral staircase in the Book Castle was another place, and a few things in P&L Cash Registers on West Street. That said I used to frequent Softly in Central Milton Keynes a fair bit - first place I ever saw a PS1 with the t-Rex demo.

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  @Princescyther2 ай бұрын

  They sold games in the book castle? Also where was P&L?

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  @outcastkatsuki2 ай бұрын

  @@Princescyther Up West St near the Victoria pub, though P&L was more PC games and fairly limited. As for the Book Castle basement, that was more the early days of home computer games (Spectrum, C64, etc) rather than the console ones :)

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  @PrincescytherАй бұрын

  @@outcastkatsuki oooooh I do remember that shop. I don't think I ever stopped for games in there though. I used to get my C64 games from the indoor market in Luton. Still remember getting the Turtles game from there and I still have it. Fantastic little VHS shop in there too that used to sell Anime. Oh great days lol.

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  @vitus.verdegast2 ай бұрын

  Stan was very generous about giving credit to his artists and he knew how important they were to sales of the Marvel magazines, but Stan Lee conceived of Spiderman and then hired Steve Ditko to do the artwork. Ditko's creativity contributed much to the character's popularity but Stan created Spiderman, and a lot of other successful characters too. Ditko could not come up with a hit character by himself. Ditko could have continued on Spiderman but he didn't want to and quit in a vindictive way that he hoped would hurt the magazine, but Stan made Spiderman even more successful with artist John Romita. Ditko was a difficult, misanthropic, resentful guy who couldn't handle his professional duties. Other than a few good things he did for Warren Ditko didn't have much success after that. He died in obscurity in a tiny apartment in NYC. Frustrated losers who feel cheated by life have made him their patron saint.

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  @suarezguy25 күн бұрын

  Love both Lee and Ditko (also love Romita), for something as visual as comics concept/writer and drawer are both hugely important and should be both recognized and appreciated.

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  @adrianomoraes59923 ай бұрын

  Stan loves to say that without bringing up in some cases he didn't even have the idea for the story. The artists had to create plots and he would revise/ add the suggested dialogues later. Wally Wood quit from Daredevil after he saw he had done the whole story, Stan Lee came after the fact, changed two words and for credits as writer. And that was not a single example. There are several well known stories where Stan's involvement is minimal and on an editorial level not as a creative contributor. Famously Stan merely throw to Jack Kirby "make the Fantastic Four fight god". Kirby then created the whole story, the Watcher showing up, the first appearance of the Silver Surfer, the Galactus, everything, delivered the pages and Stan was "who is the surfer guy?" Kirby had to explain the whole story for him because he didn't have a clue what he was looking at. Stan could be a great editor, a great eye to what made stories work and sell, a great proselytizer of the medium and really pushed the stories to be adapted to other mediums. We wouldn't have the MCU today without him but he used to do this of getting credits he didn't deserve.

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  @Eat_Your_Life3 ай бұрын

  Ditko/ kirby deserves more credit than Mr.Lee R.I.P Stan Lee

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  @theoconstantinou28393 ай бұрын

  Without the costume it wouldn’t have worked

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  @craighicksartwork4 ай бұрын

  In a visual medium, the look of a character is as important as the idea. Dikto is without a doubt the co-creator of Spider-Man.

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  @Da1Dez4 ай бұрын

  Sorry Steve but this is what happens when you become publicity shy, don't give interviews or put yourself or word out there, nobody is going to know of your existence and thus your credit or contribution will go unoticed. Love to see how he would've faired nowadays in getting his work known.

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  @itsgeekbeat4 ай бұрын

  Stan gets way to much credtit for many heroes in my opinion.

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  @hemantpatel22154 ай бұрын

  Stan Lee pretending to give credit to Steve Drink for this interview.Shocking.

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  @suarezguy25 күн бұрын

  He seems genuine to me in thinking that the basic concept from himself was most important and yet also willing to see something in the other side, to think co-creator term is also fair.

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  @jlevans19854 ай бұрын

  on stan's basis of creation, bill finger was not a co-creator of batman

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  @MontaguStudios5 ай бұрын

  At least Stan Lee owned up to his mistakes and was willing to be receptive of Steve Ditko's criticism. Unlike that dick Bob Kane who refused to acknowledge Bill Finger's contribution to Batman even after his death.

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  @d-manthecaptain13826 ай бұрын

  which documentary is this from?

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  @bluenomadd5 ай бұрын

  In Search of Steve Ditko

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  @d-manthecaptain13825 ай бұрын

  @@bluenomadd Thanks!

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  @michaeldavis66077 ай бұрын

  It’s like a song. Someone creates the music and the other writes the lyrics.

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  @isabellebread97737 ай бұрын

  Stan lee isnt describing it as it is, Ditko did not just draw it, he bassicaly came up with the entire concept Stan lee just came up with the name, lee also wrote spiderman stories which is important but he still steals credit a lot

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  @petermj10987 ай бұрын

  Ditko outright said he doesn’t believe in flawed heroes. Does Ditko know the entire reason Spider-Man is loved is because he is a flawed hero? Stan Lee is the reason Spider-Man was a flawed person with a flawed life. Ditko hates grey characters yet ironically writes Mr A who is essentially an anti hero. Ditko was tone deaf on writing.

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  @Paugose3 ай бұрын

  @@petermj1098 How is Mr. A an Anti-Hero? I'm reading it and never he comes across as Anti-Hero, unless you feel yourself uncomfortable with the idea that you might be one of the "grey area" ones. Spider-Man's sucess wasn't his flaw, it was the idea that out of the common he became exceptionnal and grew as a person from a boy to a man, Lee wanted Spidey to keep being a "kid" (leading to all those status quo BS we got for decades afterward and the "clownification" of the character alltogether) while Ditko understood that shall you become a man, you cannot go back to a boy and call it an evolution, a choice must be made consciously.

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  @Ncholasbloom7 ай бұрын

  ok here's my two cents to me it doesn't matter who created it cuz creating a story is a team effort stan had the idea and stve put that idea on paper

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  @gusparkwood48908 ай бұрын

  Lee and Ditko are Both The Creators of Spider-Man. Ditko DEFINITELY Deserves More Credit, though. Both are Vital yet One was clearly Neglected in Credit and That’s not Okay.

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  @oldb-1kenobi8 ай бұрын

  The only reason the discussion is still going is because Spider-Man was successful. Stan said it best, he dreamed Spider-Man up and handed it off to be drawn, could have by anyone but it happened to be Steve and it happened to be successful. If it hadn't been successful, then he would have been the creator of something unsuccessful and the artist would never have been mentioned. Fair is fair, but times were different back then and Stan could have been an ass and said go suck on it but he didn't.

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  @androognoix16858 ай бұрын

  Notice how Kirby isn’t in this position cause lee specifically wanted ditko. His input deserves co created title

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  @wtk60698 ай бұрын

  Sounds like, based in Stan's own words, that Steve created Spider-Man except the name, and Stan created the idea of having a character called Spider-Man.

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  @phatstax20118 ай бұрын

  Stan Lee is about as honest a "creator" as Bob Kane... Lee just had a very slightly, guiltier conscious in hindsight.

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  @jessetorres58018 ай бұрын

  Who got rich off of it.

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  @pancakes27268 ай бұрын

  Stan was acting like Norman Osborn in this interview

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  @woodrobin9 ай бұрын

  Stan Lee originally went to Jack Kirby to draw Spider-Man but wasn't keen on the art ideas Jack presented, so he gave Steve Ditko a chance at it,. and preferred his design. And Steve Ditko did contribute plot ideas. That said, Ditko presented plot ideas because he had an obsession with pushing his Objectivist political/social views through his comic book work whenever possible. He quickly lost interest in projects where he wasn't allowed to push his agenda through the mouthpieces of his characters. He left Spider-Man because Stan Lee's dialog often contradicted the ideas Ditko was trying to push through his art, so he got frustrated by not being able to push Ayn Rand's dreck, and left in a huff. He also often refused to cash checks for work he felt didn't match what he wanted to have put out, as a form of masochistic silent protest. Ditko's Objectivist philosophy, with its emphasis on materialism and capitalism, also informed his notion that the person with the idea is worthless, while the person who manufactures the product is all-important. Of course, he ignored that Stan Lee wrote the words, and that people inked, colored, and lettered the pages other than himself. But since comics are a mixture of art and text, it was stupid and hypocritical of Ditko to discount Stan Lee as a 'worthless' idea man and himself as the 'creator' of the comic pages. Without Stan Lee, with Ditko scripting, Peter Parker would have come across as a cold, pro-industrialist, right-wing moral absolutist with no self-awareness or self-doubt, like *all* the hero characters Steve Ditko *wrote dialog for* as opposed to just drawing art for.

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  @anameyoucantremember4 ай бұрын

  This was insightful. Ayn Rand did so much damage.

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  @Paugose3 ай бұрын

  Ditko's ideology is so much embeded in materialism and capitalism that he shows greed and the want for profit as a huge flaw in his work. All I read here is someone not liking a man's idea and making it something it's not. Ditko was "pro industrial" even tho he clearly shows Jameson as Evil for the reason he doesn't hesitate to stomp on other people to get higher in his industry, hating Spider-Man because he shows him how wrong he was.

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  @suarezguy25 күн бұрын

  Ditko didn't just do the comic for a few months/issues or even just a year, he did for over 3 years. I think Objectivism very much values both ideas and manufacturing, love both Lee and Ditko a shame that they increasingly didn't get along but their joint product was great.

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  @Frustratedartist29 ай бұрын

  Stab Lee on giving credit for work: no, I'm a "genius".

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  @zenlikestate9 ай бұрын

  I can kind of understand Stan’s point of view to a degree even if I dont agree with him. If someone wrote a book and then someone drew one of the characters in the book based on how he had described them they wouldn’t then be considered the cocreator of that character. But I get it. Comics are different.

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  @phatstax20118 ай бұрын

  Ditko did waaay more than just draw Spidey. He plotted the stories, too!!! Visual storytelling is a far greater skill and contribution to the comic book genre, than merely scripting dialogue on a typewriter after seeing the whole story drawn out on paper...

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  @genjibaka9 ай бұрын

  steve ditco created Dr strange and iconic final chapter of spider man.

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  @genjibaka9 ай бұрын

  i just saw the documentary and its brilliant

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  @user-nw8nh8rq6b9 ай бұрын

  I don't think Ditko realizes he's the CO-creator. Co is the prefix for together. Meaning he's the second creator. It's not like Stan Lee's above him. Stan Lee looked at them as both creators. They both made the idea, both worked their "Merry Marvel Magic" and created the most famous character in the world.

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  @chem755310 ай бұрын

  Watching this video, I can't help but wonder if Stan just told Ditko "make a comic about a Spider-Man", and if Ditko did all the hard work in Amazing Fantasy #15.

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  @davidradecky539911 ай бұрын

  Call me crazy but I think in order for this problem to be solved this situation that arises in the creative industry like comics a comic book should be done by one person. One person dreams up a character draws the character and does the lettering thus gets credit for every aspect of their creation. Does all the work that is needed in creating a comic book. Simple as that perhaps comic giants such as Marvel or DC should change their business tactics and everyone who is hired is a soul creator of their individual characters from illustrations to writing. In a sense McFarlane did this and he is a success story to this day all because he had a character named Spawn. The Marvel and DC executives don't do anything in terms of creative content. They handle the business selling the Marvel brand selling the DC brand. And the creators get all credit for their content under the umbrella of Marvel or DC. Their problem solved there won't be anymore feuds. Just my opinion.

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  @davidlasdon45711 ай бұрын

  Stan had a big ego and he believed the person that had the idea was the creator. That's arguable and most disagree. But it's his opinion. Steve Ditko had every right to whatever money and credit from Marvel he deserved as Spider-Man's co-creator but it really shouldn't have been important to him whether Stan considered him that. Stan was never going to see it his way.

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  @marcelosadasilva197311 ай бұрын

  His mediocracy is showing all over the place no matter how much his hubris ego tries to hide. Shame on all his devils advocates.Thats why theyre called freaky geeks and fanboys.

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  @anthonylogiudice9215 Жыл бұрын

  Stan Lee's hedging on giving Ditko co creator credit and being patronizing in this interview shows why Kirby and Ditko hated this guy with a passion.

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  @obi_dean Жыл бұрын

  agree to disagree

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  @peridot2912 Жыл бұрын

  Stan Lee is a hack, thief and money hungry liar. Original works should be dedicated to their creators. Stan Lee made billions for his scheming, his insecurity shines here

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  @warlockofwordschannel7901 Жыл бұрын

  It seems clear that Dr. Strange was more Steve Ditko's creation, he came up with the lion's share of the world, the different dimensions of the strip. He didn't invent the idea of the 'astral plane' obvs but the specific visuals of it in Dr. Strange, pure Ditko!

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  @sinchman1 Жыл бұрын

  Stan Lee didn't have the ideas for any of these Marvel characters all thought up by Jack Kirby and Steve Ditko according to Dave Cockrum. Stan Lee was a fraud taking credit for what these two created...Fukk you Stan! Same words I told him at a NYC comic convention back in 1987 in front of Dave Cockrum, Arthur Adams.

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  @dintsesib Жыл бұрын

  I have an idea of a spaceship that travels to other universes. Does it mean I created it ? The answer is NO. The word, " considered" doesn't mean it's the co-cteator.

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  @PhilBagels Жыл бұрын

  Ditko seems to have spent his life avoiding fame and publicity. If you do that, it's not fair to then complain that you didn't get enough fame and publicity.

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  @clarkvaughan Жыл бұрын

  Everyone's missing one thing: By his own admission, Stan confirms that Ditko was right in saying Stan was hedging symantically on giving credit! Ditko was an absolutist, and BS word-parsing insulted him! That's exactly what Stan Lee did. Nothing's worse than it you feel like you earned something, and it's given to you like it was placating, insincere charity. "Okay, if it'll make you feel better, here's your paycheck." Really? Ditko nailed it, and Stan never fessed up completely. Our loss.

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  @rolandkatsuragi Жыл бұрын

  2:24 This long silence speaks volumes.

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  @pats3212 Жыл бұрын

  He's choosing his words very wisely

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  @anameyoucantremember4 ай бұрын

  @@pats3212 Because it would have legal repercussions

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  @OlanR24 Жыл бұрын

  I do think Steve should have gotten much, much more credit since he's the one who brought the Spider-Man characters to life and was the one who designed them. I also do think that it's perfectly normal for one person doing the writing of a comic book/graphic novel and the other doing the illustrations, same with certain children books too, so I think Stan and Steve both had their parts in the Spider-Man books. In my opinion, I think both the writer and artist are the ones who create a certain idea, not just one or the other, because one person comes up with the characters, settings, backstories, etc. while the artist is the one who brings those characters and settings to life, so both Lee and Ditko are amazing creators and do their parts in making a comic book the way it is. Again, that's just my personal opinion.

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  @itim77710 ай бұрын

  I think mangaka have solved this problem

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  @Bazookie151 Жыл бұрын

  OMG i finally found it thank you so much :)

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  @vo1non Жыл бұрын

  Stan Lee had such an ego he could never admit that anyone other than himself had been the Marvel genius that was responsible for ALL the early comic success.

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  @gorsching Жыл бұрын

  I always tell everyone. Look at Stan Lee before Kirby. Look at Stan Lee after Kirby. Now Look at Kirby before Stan Lee and Look at Kirby after Stan Lee. Steve Ditko wasn't a slouch either just the argument about who did what is even more tipped towards Kirby than what Ditko gets. It's just Stan Lee had a huge voice being the editor for yrs and when Kirby died Ditko stayed away. That left Lee being the only one to say what he did and no one could say no. And no one wanted to because he was an old man who was extremely charismatic and passionate about the comic book medium