Hello, Don. You asked, so damn the torpedoes, here goes. First, as an American, my opinion of "The Beeching Issue" is worthless, and it's none of my business. I acknowledge this. As a lover of British Railways of ALL kinds, I will say that I HAVE an opinion, regardless of its worth. Dr. Beeching was hired to generate a list of all the stations and railway lines that were either not generating or losing revenue, and recommend their closure. Did he generate hatred, YES. Did he put people out of work, YES. Did he do the job he was hired to do? YES. I think the closures were already in progress, and he just accelerated the procedure. That being said, I hate him for the loss of the Somerset and Dorset. This opinion is a result of the data I have been presented with, and is subject to change, provided you have sufficient evidence. I welcome any rebuttals, provided they are unemotional and civil. Oh--Norman's Bank is named for a person called Norman, who owned a financial institution 😁🧐. Prove me wrong. Cheers, Don
@doncoffey58205 күн бұрын
Good to see you Chuck. I think it’s safe to say that the root cause of the Beeching Report was the car. The public were losing interest in the railway and we were entering an era of personal transport being a status symbol. The vultures were waiting and the road lobby moved in. It’s a shame so many rural lines were lost - my local branch to Hayfield went with them but they were haemorrhaging money at an alarming rate. I think British Railways Property Board went crazy selling land that would make reopening a route virtually impossible. It’s a shame but it’s progress I suppose.
@RichardFelstead19495 күн бұрын
G'Day Don from Australia. As always, a great video. Being 3 and a half hours running time, how long does it take to upload to You Tube?
@doncoffey58205 күн бұрын
Good to see you Richard. I think it took about three hours to upload then another hour or so to finish processing and checking. There’s no rushing these long videos.
@jackking55676 күн бұрын
That was awesome. Thank you so much for posting this content. Getting to see such footage and yet still raise money for a good cause can't be a bad thing.
@doncoffey58206 күн бұрын
Glad you enjoyed it!
@FalconXE3026 күн бұрын
While they look nostalgic and all... I still find it hard to understand how there are still semaphore signals in use on lines in the UK....! This is a real nice scenic trip... love the cab views and thanks for sharing...
@doncoffey58206 күн бұрын
They’re an endangered species but in some locations they remain as you see. They will be removed in upcoming schemes.
@mikeymike36346 күн бұрын
Great Video as always Mr Coffey, but i have a question. With two thirty seven's working together you have roughly the same power available as a single sixty six. With the two thirty seven's working together that power is transferred to the track via twelve axles while the sixty six is transferring the power by only six axles. isn't "wheelslip" a problem with such a heavy load especially on a wet track?
@doncoffey58206 күн бұрын
Apparently, if you put two 37s in multiple, they don’t add up as you’d expect and there are losses. The only time you see two 66s double headed are on the occasional Jumbo which is 4000 tonnes.
@jameswingrove74216 күн бұрын
Really curious to know why “Norman’s Bank” is named as such now 👀 Really enjoyable video once again Don, cheers!
@doncoffey58206 күн бұрын
I would like to know too James but my enquiries so far have been fruitless.
@bcoldgoalie6 күн бұрын
Well done on raising so much money for charity! 👏 I've been subscribed for many years and enjoy your channel immensely. Cheers from British Columbia!😊
@doncoffey58206 күн бұрын
Without the support of people like you, we wouldn’t have done so well. Thank you.
@Belmont11546 күн бұрын
Thanks for the slow-mo through my hometown of Stamford 😃 Thanks to you all for a great vid.
@doncoffey58206 күн бұрын
Glad you enjoyed it!
@normanbridge89246 күн бұрын
right a red signal did he dissappear into some bushes lol
@normanbridge89246 күн бұрын
freight train drivers probably earn well in access of perhaps £1,600-2,000 per week
@alancharles16816 күн бұрын
Don, thanks a lot for this video. I enjoyed it a lot as I do all your videos! But hopefully you will know this:- I noticed that the signal with position 1 route indicator into the loop at Bamford has been plated DE. Do you happen to know what DE stands for? Thanks a lot, Alan.
@doncoffey58206 күн бұрын
Yes Alan, it stands for Dore to Earles. Glad you enjoyed it 👍
@basingstoke636 күн бұрын
We often see trains like this arriving in the sidings at Woking .
@basingstoke636 күн бұрын
Congratulations on that fantastic donation ,Don . A question if I may ? The track side signs that look like a national speed limit sign on a road , seem to have many aspects . Are they based on semaphore signals ?
@doncoffey58206 күн бұрын
I can’t think which you mean. There are small signs with a diagonal line which are temporary or emergency speed limits that were terminated earlier than published. I hope that’s what you meant.
@timallen_uk6 күн бұрын
Great video Don. It always amazes me how fast these freight train go these days. I remember as a kid they used to crawl slowly making a squealing noise as they went.
@doncoffey58206 күн бұрын
Yes, they crawled around at one time. The squealing noises still happen when the flanges contact the rails.
@AJBa836 күн бұрын
It still seems weird to me that when my parents were teenagers living in the Greater Manchester area the first miles here were still part of a main line headed to what I always knew as the GMex centre rather than Manchester Central. I suppose we usually think of progress moving forward with time, but not always.
@doncoffey58206 күн бұрын
The Hope Valley Line was effectively the line that ran into Manchester Central. The nearest you can get now is the Metrolink Line into Deansgate Castlefield. See the East Didsbury to Rochdale video.
@melissasmith51096 күн бұрын
Heavy haul division of freightliner shut down?
@doncoffey58206 күн бұрын
Not that I’m aware. That train in the video is Heavy Haul.
@andrewholloway2316 күн бұрын
Dr Beeching was bought in by the government of the time to make the railways more profitable. Yes... BR at that time closed a lot of lines. However, the 2nd part of his report bought in InterCity travel and containerised freight trains.... the precursor to Freightliner. Unfortunately, there was a lack of foresight from BR when the lines were closed and sold off...
@doncoffey58206 күн бұрын
It had its pros and cons but I think they sold off the land too quick before measuring the impact.
@johnwhitfield43616 күн бұрын
Thank you for that. I now better understand the impact of the changes on our local line. As ever, Don, excellent video and captions. Thank you to Vinny, the driver.
@doncoffey58206 күн бұрын
Much appreciated John 👍
@paulchapman11756 күн бұрын
to don coffey I enjoyed the video of drivers eye view from paul chapman at London uk 🇬🇧
@doncoffey58206 күн бұрын
Thank you Paul, much appreciated buddy.
@spud36076 күн бұрын
Are these the two stone viaducts in the intro clip to "BBC North West"? (at 19.00 approx. here)
@doncoffey58206 күн бұрын
That’s the ones Spud, impressive aren’t they.
@lorddavidlawrence6 күн бұрын
Although I've never asked the 'toileting' question in the comments, I have to admit I was bursting to know the answer. So thankyou for relieving my curiosity on that one Mr Coffey. 😁
@doncoffey58206 күн бұрын
Several puns in one comment. Good stuff David 😉😂
@Scots_Diesel6 күн бұрын
Hopefully we'll have a premier in the middle of an England game?
@doncoffey58206 күн бұрын
It might be a good idea 😉
@altern8tive6 күн бұрын
A welcome surprise for a Sunday evening. Thanks :)
@doncoffey58206 күн бұрын
Enjoy!
@AngloYorkshire6 күн бұрын
Thanks Don. I hear the USA / Canadian engines can be smelly as they have toilets in them
@doncoffey58206 күн бұрын
Maybe so. They travel much greater distances and for many hours so probably a necessity.
@ChappersTravels6 күн бұрын
Yesss another video to enjoy this evening! however im not sure if its just me but the max quality i'm getting is 360p
@doncoffey58206 күн бұрын
They occasionally stream better on the second day after buffering (no pun intended).
@harris197219 күн бұрын
Don you caption explaining the route is slightly wrong needs to say Nuneaton not Northampton :)
@doncoffey58208 күн бұрын
Thanks for pointing it out. It’s actually noted in the video description but it’s always worth checking 👍
@cannedham863013 күн бұрын
Very impressive video. I watched a few months back and never got round to leaving a comment! Dave was fantastic with his knowledge and passion. I do miss the class 43s and the roar of the 91s but i like these Hitachi trains, their acceleration is excellent and their versatility to bring intercity/high speed services on non electrified stations to towns such as Hull is a positive things in my eyes.
@doncoffey582013 күн бұрын
I’m sure Dave will read your comment. Thanks for coming back to us.
@gen12345able14 күн бұрын
Need real-time speed on the screen.
@doncoffey582013 күн бұрын
Not got the software I’m afraid.
@iainmaturin846014 күн бұрын
Blimey are you an official spokes person for ASLEF!
@doncoffey582013 күн бұрын
No not at all. What gives you that impression?
@peterthill14 күн бұрын
Very interesting ride. Thx for sharing 👍
@doncoffey582013 күн бұрын
Glad you enjoyed it
@nerd281415 күн бұрын
Impressive how this speed of 125mph is maintained on Victorian-era routing, and that there's an upgrade to 140 in the works. As much as I bash UK rail for it's shortcomings, you have to commend the 19th century engineers who built this, and the following generations who maintained and upgraded this stuff to support speeds currently sustained today.
@doncoffey582013 күн бұрын
Yes, that service ran to time a treat. Like you say a good proportion at 125mph.
@eastmidlandstrainspotter201415 күн бұрын
Awesome video Bo you drive trains through Hinckley Station
@doncoffey582013 күн бұрын
I don’t bit Mike does. Watch out for future videos.
@geoffreylee519918 күн бұрын
Eccles, like the cake?
@doncoffey582013 күн бұрын
One and the same!
@nomdeplume79818 күн бұрын
As a kid we used to "explore" the lines around Hazel Grove and later in life I used the service mainly from Manchester to Hazel Grove, but sometimes all the way to Buxton, so I was surprised the train didn't stop at every station. Is this a fairly new development or has it always skipped some stations?
@doncoffey582011 күн бұрын
It’s something they’ve done for at least 10 years but they now “skip stop” so they miss Dove Holes and call at Middlewood and the next hourly service does the opposite. They all stop at Furness Vale now.
@class87srule18 күн бұрын
4:19
@barryslater359719 күн бұрын
Having worked that branch when it had 2 tracks which reduced the risk of being held on the main line either way, wouldn’t it make ultimate sense during the present upgrade, to close this very neglected’ branch with its very acute curve and sand drag and use Mirfield Stn as a passenger stop and change ends. Obviously it would be a problem for chartered specials, but regular services.? Thanks Don great video memories flooding back. Barry
@doncoffey582011 күн бұрын
The problem with that Barry is they’d need a crossover and wrong direction signals. They have talked about twin tracking the junction at Bradley Wood which would ease things.
@normanbridge892421 күн бұрын
a question what does a freight train driver do when mother nature calls when he needs a wee does he just litterally urinate in to a a plastic bottle?
@doncoffey582021 күн бұрын
It’s a common question. They basically plan ahead but they sometimes take advantage of a stop at a signal if it’s out of sight or they can retreat to the engine room with a container etc.
@kholden267821 күн бұрын
Thanks for the cab ride. My 2nd cousin 4x removed George James Crosby Dawson was Chief Engineer of the North Staffordshire Railway from 1886-1914. He would have travelled the same route on his work in the area as he worked in the main engineering shop at Stoke and lived at Newcastle under Lyme.
@doncoffey582021 күн бұрын
I love to hear accounts like that. Fascinating, thank you.
@rickmeyrick435721 күн бұрын
Great ride, lovely day. Is it me or were there no captions and my I.T. was Up the Goods without a Brake Stick?
@doncoffey582021 күн бұрын
Not you Rick. The videos have evolved over the years and that was one of the very early ones before my shaky attempts at editing.
@rickmeyrick435721 күн бұрын
If i had a £1 for every EMR service i'd signalled, pffft, 4-1-4 Bells through Hazel Grove/Stockport for a class 1, 2-2-1-3 for an ECS to from Notts/ Lime St, 4 Bells & 2-2-1 Up the Valley. Great ride, very smooth without any hitches, bar the atmospheric conditions ?
@Moofers24 күн бұрын
Don't suppose you have any videos going down (Rotherham) Masborough Station to the left towards Chesterfield?
@doncoffey582022 күн бұрын
I’ve got the footage all the way via Barrow Hill but so far I’ve only published this; kzread.info/dash/bejne/i4VmydyEmbi2d9o.htmlsi=KKcAMiSDxtfj0VAp and this kzread.info/dash/bejne/aZ6sxsqEY9TPgag.htmlsi=eZ5Srg8Krhi6ADJW
@Moofers25 күн бұрын
Just like to let you know these cabride videos are helping me out a ton on recreating the south yorkshire railway in Train Sim World 4. Great watch too, very informative.
@doncoffey582024 күн бұрын
We go around the Dore Single in the next video if that helps.
@BirdLopers25 күн бұрын
(good lord, 'first'-commenter in all my time on YT?) thanks for the upload :) nice, just got to watching this one as always great info. (& presented with subtlety) - odd transition at 3m10s, i'd advise the entirety be kept/presented for posterity... single-line 'woods' section feels quiet & pretty in its own way - who knows, maybe it'll be doubled once more in the far future?
@doncoffey582024 күн бұрын
I’m always looking for new and unique content. More soon.
@JoshHodginsTrains26 күн бұрын
Loved it
@lunchtakenearly26 күн бұрын
Hadn't realised the line from Crewe to Kidsgrove had been electrified. I'm guessing for diversionary reasons primarily?
@doncoffey582024 күн бұрын
Yes and it’s an important arterial route too.
@estar9d74927 күн бұрын
Enjoyed seeing this Don, as I never worked a train round that spur between Bradley Jn and Bradley Wood Jn. Another bit that's always intrigued me, that I never got to drive over is that spur between Greetland Jn and Dryclough Jn. I seem to remember hearing that it was a bank engine section back in the day, which wouldn't surprise me, given the climb from Milner Royd Jn towards Halifax. Does that bit of line still exist, and if so, have you any footage of it? Keep up the great vids!
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Hello, Don. You asked, so damn the torpedoes, here goes. First, as an American, my opinion of "The Beeching Issue" is worthless, and it's none of my business. I acknowledge this. As a lover of British Railways of ALL kinds, I will say that I HAVE an opinion, regardless of its worth. Dr. Beeching was hired to generate a list of all the stations and railway lines that were either not generating or losing revenue, and recommend their closure. Did he generate hatred, YES. Did he put people out of work, YES. Did he do the job he was hired to do? YES. I think the closures were already in progress, and he just accelerated the procedure. That being said, I hate him for the loss of the Somerset and Dorset. This opinion is a result of the data I have been presented with, and is subject to change, provided you have sufficient evidence. I welcome any rebuttals, provided they are unemotional and civil. Oh--Norman's Bank is named for a person called Norman, who owned a financial institution 😁🧐. Prove me wrong. Cheers, Don
Good to see you Chuck. I think it’s safe to say that the root cause of the Beeching Report was the car. The public were losing interest in the railway and we were entering an era of personal transport being a status symbol. The vultures were waiting and the road lobby moved in. It’s a shame so many rural lines were lost - my local branch to Hayfield went with them but they were haemorrhaging money at an alarming rate. I think British Railways Property Board went crazy selling land that would make reopening a route virtually impossible. It’s a shame but it’s progress I suppose.
G'Day Don from Australia. As always, a great video. Being 3 and a half hours running time, how long does it take to upload to You Tube?
Good to see you Richard. I think it took about three hours to upload then another hour or so to finish processing and checking. There’s no rushing these long videos.
That was awesome. Thank you so much for posting this content. Getting to see such footage and yet still raise money for a good cause can't be a bad thing.
Glad you enjoyed it!
While they look nostalgic and all... I still find it hard to understand how there are still semaphore signals in use on lines in the UK....! This is a real nice scenic trip... love the cab views and thanks for sharing...
They’re an endangered species but in some locations they remain as you see. They will be removed in upcoming schemes.
Great Video as always Mr Coffey, but i have a question. With two thirty seven's working together you have roughly the same power available as a single sixty six. With the two thirty seven's working together that power is transferred to the track via twelve axles while the sixty six is transferring the power by only six axles. isn't "wheelslip" a problem with such a heavy load especially on a wet track?
Apparently, if you put two 37s in multiple, they don’t add up as you’d expect and there are losses. The only time you see two 66s double headed are on the occasional Jumbo which is 4000 tonnes.
Really curious to know why “Norman’s Bank” is named as such now 👀 Really enjoyable video once again Don, cheers!
I would like to know too James but my enquiries so far have been fruitless.
Well done on raising so much money for charity! 👏 I've been subscribed for many years and enjoy your channel immensely. Cheers from British Columbia!😊
Without the support of people like you, we wouldn’t have done so well. Thank you.
Thanks for the slow-mo through my hometown of Stamford 😃 Thanks to you all for a great vid.
Glad you enjoyed it!
right a red signal did he dissappear into some bushes lol
freight train drivers probably earn well in access of perhaps £1,600-2,000 per week
Don, thanks a lot for this video. I enjoyed it a lot as I do all your videos! But hopefully you will know this:- I noticed that the signal with position 1 route indicator into the loop at Bamford has been plated DE. Do you happen to know what DE stands for? Thanks a lot, Alan.
Yes Alan, it stands for Dore to Earles. Glad you enjoyed it 👍
We often see trains like this arriving in the sidings at Woking .
Congratulations on that fantastic donation ,Don . A question if I may ? The track side signs that look like a national speed limit sign on a road , seem to have many aspects . Are they based on semaphore signals ?
I can’t think which you mean. There are small signs with a diagonal line which are temporary or emergency speed limits that were terminated earlier than published. I hope that’s what you meant.
Great video Don. It always amazes me how fast these freight train go these days. I remember as a kid they used to crawl slowly making a squealing noise as they went.
Yes, they crawled around at one time. The squealing noises still happen when the flanges contact the rails.
It still seems weird to me that when my parents were teenagers living in the Greater Manchester area the first miles here were still part of a main line headed to what I always knew as the GMex centre rather than Manchester Central. I suppose we usually think of progress moving forward with time, but not always.
The Hope Valley Line was effectively the line that ran into Manchester Central. The nearest you can get now is the Metrolink Line into Deansgate Castlefield. See the East Didsbury to Rochdale video.
Heavy haul division of freightliner shut down?
Not that I’m aware. That train in the video is Heavy Haul.
Dr Beeching was bought in by the government of the time to make the railways more profitable. Yes... BR at that time closed a lot of lines. However, the 2nd part of his report bought in InterCity travel and containerised freight trains.... the precursor to Freightliner. Unfortunately, there was a lack of foresight from BR when the lines were closed and sold off...
It had its pros and cons but I think they sold off the land too quick before measuring the impact.
Thank you for that. I now better understand the impact of the changes on our local line. As ever, Don, excellent video and captions. Thank you to Vinny, the driver.
Much appreciated John 👍
to don coffey I enjoyed the video of drivers eye view from paul chapman at London uk 🇬🇧
Thank you Paul, much appreciated buddy.
Are these the two stone viaducts in the intro clip to "BBC North West"? (at 19.00 approx. here)
That’s the ones Spud, impressive aren’t they.
Although I've never asked the 'toileting' question in the comments, I have to admit I was bursting to know the answer. So thankyou for relieving my curiosity on that one Mr Coffey. 😁
Several puns in one comment. Good stuff David 😉😂
Hopefully we'll have a premier in the middle of an England game?
It might be a good idea 😉
A welcome surprise for a Sunday evening. Thanks :)
Enjoy!
Thanks Don. I hear the USA / Canadian engines can be smelly as they have toilets in them
Maybe so. They travel much greater distances and for many hours so probably a necessity.
Yesss another video to enjoy this evening! however im not sure if its just me but the max quality i'm getting is 360p
They occasionally stream better on the second day after buffering (no pun intended).
Don you caption explaining the route is slightly wrong needs to say Nuneaton not Northampton :)
Thanks for pointing it out. It’s actually noted in the video description but it’s always worth checking 👍
Very impressive video. I watched a few months back and never got round to leaving a comment! Dave was fantastic with his knowledge and passion. I do miss the class 43s and the roar of the 91s but i like these Hitachi trains, their acceleration is excellent and their versatility to bring intercity/high speed services on non electrified stations to towns such as Hull is a positive things in my eyes.
I’m sure Dave will read your comment. Thanks for coming back to us.
Need real-time speed on the screen.
Not got the software I’m afraid.
Blimey are you an official spokes person for ASLEF!
No not at all. What gives you that impression?
Very interesting ride. Thx for sharing 👍
Glad you enjoyed it
Impressive how this speed of 125mph is maintained on Victorian-era routing, and that there's an upgrade to 140 in the works. As much as I bash UK rail for it's shortcomings, you have to commend the 19th century engineers who built this, and the following generations who maintained and upgraded this stuff to support speeds currently sustained today.
Yes, that service ran to time a treat. Like you say a good proportion at 125mph.
Awesome video Bo you drive trains through Hinckley Station
I don’t bit Mike does. Watch out for future videos.
Eccles, like the cake?
One and the same!
As a kid we used to "explore" the lines around Hazel Grove and later in life I used the service mainly from Manchester to Hazel Grove, but sometimes all the way to Buxton, so I was surprised the train didn't stop at every station. Is this a fairly new development or has it always skipped some stations?
It’s something they’ve done for at least 10 years but they now “skip stop” so they miss Dove Holes and call at Middlewood and the next hourly service does the opposite. They all stop at Furness Vale now.
4:19
Having worked that branch when it had 2 tracks which reduced the risk of being held on the main line either way, wouldn’t it make ultimate sense during the present upgrade, to close this very neglected’ branch with its very acute curve and sand drag and use Mirfield Stn as a passenger stop and change ends. Obviously it would be a problem for chartered specials, but regular services.? Thanks Don great video memories flooding back. Barry
The problem with that Barry is they’d need a crossover and wrong direction signals. They have talked about twin tracking the junction at Bradley Wood which would ease things.
a question what does a freight train driver do when mother nature calls when he needs a wee does he just litterally urinate in to a a plastic bottle?
It’s a common question. They basically plan ahead but they sometimes take advantage of a stop at a signal if it’s out of sight or they can retreat to the engine room with a container etc.
Thanks for the cab ride. My 2nd cousin 4x removed George James Crosby Dawson was Chief Engineer of the North Staffordshire Railway from 1886-1914. He would have travelled the same route on his work in the area as he worked in the main engineering shop at Stoke and lived at Newcastle under Lyme.
I love to hear accounts like that. Fascinating, thank you.
Great ride, lovely day. Is it me or were there no captions and my I.T. was Up the Goods without a Brake Stick?
Not you Rick. The videos have evolved over the years and that was one of the very early ones before my shaky attempts at editing.
If i had a £1 for every EMR service i'd signalled, pffft, 4-1-4 Bells through Hazel Grove/Stockport for a class 1, 2-2-1-3 for an ECS to from Notts/ Lime St, 4 Bells & 2-2-1 Up the Valley. Great ride, very smooth without any hitches, bar the atmospheric conditions ?
Don't suppose you have any videos going down (Rotherham) Masborough Station to the left towards Chesterfield?
I’ve got the footage all the way via Barrow Hill but so far I’ve only published this; kzread.info/dash/bejne/i4VmydyEmbi2d9o.htmlsi=KKcAMiSDxtfj0VAp and this kzread.info/dash/bejne/aZ6sxsqEY9TPgag.htmlsi=eZ5Srg8Krhi6ADJW
Just like to let you know these cabride videos are helping me out a ton on recreating the south yorkshire railway in Train Sim World 4. Great watch too, very informative.
We go around the Dore Single in the next video if that helps.
(good lord, 'first'-commenter in all my time on YT?) thanks for the upload :) nice, just got to watching this one as always great info. (& presented with subtlety) - odd transition at 3m10s, i'd advise the entirety be kept/presented for posterity... single-line 'woods' section feels quiet & pretty in its own way - who knows, maybe it'll be doubled once more in the far future?
I’m always looking for new and unique content. More soon.
Loved it
Hadn't realised the line from Crewe to Kidsgrove had been electrified. I'm guessing for diversionary reasons primarily?
Yes and it’s an important arterial route too.
Enjoyed seeing this Don, as I never worked a train round that spur between Bradley Jn and Bradley Wood Jn. Another bit that's always intrigued me, that I never got to drive over is that spur between Greetland Jn and Dryclough Jn. I seem to remember hearing that it was a bank engine section back in the day, which wouldn't surprise me, given the climb from Milner Royd Jn towards Halifax. Does that bit of line still exist, and if so, have you any footage of it? Keep up the great vids!
Yes and I’m in throes of organising filming it 👍