RISC-V isn't going to useful and competitive economically or in performant for general purpose use in your laptop for at least a decade, probably 15 years, if it ever happens. Of course, given the zero licensing costs, its uses for embedded devices are vast, and save just enough money to make it very much more competitive for specialized uses, as he says. But even that won't likely happen for 10 years, mainly because of momentum. So please, stop with the hype. It's embarrassing.
@stratelite133723 сағат бұрын
Build your own LCD-2PF. XD
@laurentiudllКүн бұрын
i dont get this lingo.. use with tubes ? what are those ?
@DMS3TV23 сағат бұрын
Some headphone amplifiers use glass vacuum tubes instead of transistors. These are generally known to have a specific "flavor" for the sound. Good examples are the "little dot Mk2" or "darkvoice"
@SammyTabGuyКүн бұрын
The day the legend was born :D
@SammyTabGuyКүн бұрын
Coming from the hd600 to maxwell funny enough lmao I prefer open backs but Maxwells are so amazing I can pass this time
@HUEHUEUHEPonyКүн бұрын
OH MY FUCKING GOD
@ShadsixКүн бұрын
DMS, are you ok? You can't put a laptop on your ears. Also, that room... Is it done? How much is hidden by the camera framing. #Studio tour when
@mib5633Күн бұрын
beyer diss was out of left field lol
@ivosarak959Күн бұрын
Someone need to integrate these RiscV cores into a CPU and there is none. We have some SoC and micro controllers with it, but no desktop nor server class around to make a product or two. Also, as long as there is no Windows for it, there is no desktop anyway as Linux is not a thing in that space.
@r.j.bedore9884Күн бұрын
I like that Framework is branching out beyond just Intel and AMD. I was wondering if it would be ARM or RISC-V that got there first, but considering their open nature I'm not surprised it was RISC-V. Since it's open source and people can mess around with the architecture a bit, I think it would be cool if someone did a laptop where it had both an ARM CPU for everyday low power tasks like web browsing and watching KZread, but also had a RISC-V CPU for more compute heavy tasks like video editing, gaming, or 3D modeling. Basically an ARM based laptop for good battery efficiency, but with a RISC-V co-processor for when you needed a little extra processing power.
@sportsmonster66Күн бұрын
Dude you nailed it with koss as I’m listening on kph30i’s w a zen dac watching my Plex server update 😂 6TB external
@Diamond_HanzКүн бұрын
Potato
@johnjakson4442 күн бұрын
you could put that RiscV board in a Cooler Master chassis that Framework worked with, hopefully
@marlonbrown57632 күн бұрын
Why no quater inch connection?
@donvittoriosierra2 күн бұрын
Which tubes did you buy exactly?
@brianjuergensmeyer88092 күн бұрын
While I LOVE the concept of Framework launching a JH7110 mainboard, I've got a StarFive 2 (which uses the same CPU). The JH7110 benches out somewhere between a BCM2837 and a BCM2711. It works for VERY light web browsing and word processing. It might be "adequate" for KZread, but really, you're boiling down to users having a negative user experience. I'd much rather see them go after SpacemiT's K1 (from the DC-ROMA Laptop II) or something equivalent or better. I love the RISC-V architecture, and really want it to get a fair shake. Which means I don't want the whole ISA to be seen as inferior when the problem is with an older, underpowered, development CPU.
@fredsalfa3 күн бұрын
That’s quite interesting. I had to google a lot of those terms to find out about the headphones I just bought
@JohnVance3 күн бұрын
Hello fellow RISC-V and umami enthusiast...
@TimberWulfIsHere3 күн бұрын
For IEMs i would say it depends. The fit must be PERFECT especially if you use foam tips. This is really hard to do if the tips colapse in your ear (which ive had trouble with recently). Fitment and therefore comfort is a huge factor. For headphones that's really not much of a problem.
@RadoDani3 күн бұрын
Wait a minute … how does it sound. Can we change the headband? Does it respond well to EQ. Where do you stick the tubes. 😂
@RadoDani3 күн бұрын
Apple used to be a big proponent of RISC architecture but then they abandoned it for some reason. Now they jumped on the ARM bandwagon. Anyway, it is interesting for it to come back to spotlight again. It also brings memories of SGI workstations and Amiga computers. 🙂
@ingframin18 сағат бұрын
Power vs performance was the reason Apple dropped PowerPC to go for x86. I remembered the keynote where Steve Jobs in person gives this as a reason.
@ContantContact3 күн бұрын
I have had a FrameWork 16 since May 1st. Running Linux Mint.
@sladjanjordacevic27514 күн бұрын
To everyone who is planing on buying this headphones, you can use this headphones for mix and mastering but only with EQ CORRECTION, otherwise its a big no, high end and seperation between mid and high frequencies will destroy your mix i am telling you this with experience, i have the 80ohms version end i am using a sound profile and they are good, my mixes sound good on every device.That's my honest review and real opinion about them.
@Tanjimulchowdhury4 күн бұрын
single sided driver vs double sided which one is better? and does it matter?
@evlogiy4 күн бұрын
I was hoping Framework would launch an ARM version, but this is even better! Long live RISC-V!
@smiththewright4 күн бұрын
Did you fully switch from your Macbook to the Framework laptop?
@DMS3TV4 күн бұрын
I'm still using the Mac at my office for work but that's it.
@ghun1314 күн бұрын
As a dev I'm not sure it's good for FE work
@byteme63464 күн бұрын
Let me know when it can run Linux Mint. 8o)
@byteme63464 күн бұрын
What CPU architecture will be the first implemented in graphene? 6502, z80, risc-v?
@MrKarlengel4 күн бұрын
So beautiful...
@dvpzy4 күн бұрын
Thank you!
@trowawayacc5 күн бұрын
Nice line. The laptop of thesius. 😂
@JAYEKAZE5 күн бұрын
This video seems off.
@DMS3TV5 күн бұрын
how so?
@trowawayacc5 күн бұрын
Seems ok to me.
@Mariuspersem5 күн бұрын
hopefully it has a UEFI bios, getting really tired of uboot and serial tty’s
@johanngambolputty53515 күн бұрын
Presumably would be running open source firmware? In which case I'm in.
@grafando5 күн бұрын
I think I have tinnitus yet I have always done my best to protect my hearing. Never been to a concert, always wear hearing protection when doing anything that creates loud noise. Even when I was a kid, my dad always made sure I have hearing protection on. I don't even listen to music loudly. Thanks for this video, I wonder if maybe I just simply didn't have good enough hearing protection throughout my life, and I've always wondered about using the in-ear as well as over-ear protection.
@mouk3y5 күн бұрын
Framework and RISC V in one video, let's goooooo!
@WP7Nettwerk5 күн бұрын
Interesting why you didn't turn on to let see how it performs?
@DMS3TV5 күн бұрын
They just announced it (which is why I made the video) the boards haven't shipped to buyers yet.
@MrGamelover235 күн бұрын
How did this happen before an arm main board? Oh yeah, cause you don't have to license anything.
@UltraPatate5 күн бұрын
too expensive so it's a no-no
@FunctionallyLiteratePerson5 күн бұрын
It's a dev kit right now so not meant to be accessible for the mass market yet
@UltraPatate5 күн бұрын
@@FunctionallyLiteratePerson i mean this brand in particular is expensive for what they offer
@DMS3TV5 күн бұрын
The cost makes a lot more sense when you factor in repairs and upgrades. Much cheaper than buying a new laptop every 5 years
@vivaanreddy87715 күн бұрын
More framework content plz 😅
@vivaanreddy87715 күн бұрын
Wow, didn't think u would make a laptop video, that too on framework, and u are a linux boy as well, and that too Fedora
@ncatania15 күн бұрын
The Umami Shirt!
@halgari5 күн бұрын
Frame generation and branch prediction are nothing alike, I'm not sure why that comparison was made. And no, what's limiting processors is not CISC vs RISC, the decode portion of chips are fairly small, it's stuff like instruction scheduling and the like. Don't forget x86 is "RISC" internally and has been for decades. There's also the issue of RISC requiring more instructions to perform the same work, so CISC is essentially compressed machinecode that is decompressed-on-the-fly to get both small code size and fast performance.
@DaveAxiom5 күн бұрын
Risc-v was designed for the intention of making it easy for CPU designers to develop niche chips without the burden of not having a software ecosystem. It's versatile enough to be used as a general computing platform though it's not going to measure up. It's really expensive for a chip to be manufactured at the most efficient fabs and a niche chip design is not going to get produced in scale to compete in performance.
@YTDeletes90PercentOfMyComments5 күн бұрын
No wants RISC to punch at its weight class. We want RISC for no hardware backdoors.
@D9ID9I2 күн бұрын
what makes it expensive to produce? fabs don't care what to apply to the silicon
@DaveAxiom2 күн бұрын
@@D9ID9I There's limited production capacity for smaller transistor "node" sizes and the costs to manufacture chips accelerate the more transistors there are.
@D9ID9I2 күн бұрын
@@DaveAxiom this has nothing to do with risc-v specifically. It can have as many transistors as any other chip and order volume depends on the wish of big players to bring it to the table.
@DaveAxiom2 күн бұрын
@@D9ID9I More transistors means more computational power. Products need demand too before they are built.
@slappomatthew6 күн бұрын
I love the concept of framework so much I am basically willing to put my money where my mouth is but I hate supporting that POS linus
@Merlin64-nb1tj6 күн бұрын
I have been very interested in buying a RISC-V SBC devboard for some time now, but have yet to see one with 16Gb of ram. If this is forward looking tech they better have the bare minimum specs for today. 2, 4, 8Gb main memory is 10+ years ago specs. of course that's just my opinion.
@RichardJActon6 күн бұрын
I'm given to understand CPU instruction decode complexity contributes more to the RISC advantage over CISC than ease of branch prediction. The primeagen did a good video on this 'X86 Needs To Die' with Casey Muratori. RISC-V is less encumbered with intellectual property BS than x86 or arm but it can still have some proprietary stuff tacked on to a given SOC. For more detail checkout Andrew Katz's talk: 'Free and Open Source Licensing and RISC-V'
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These or One Plus Buds 3, have you tried them?
our interests are the same, love it
RISC-V isn't going to useful and competitive economically or in performant for general purpose use in your laptop for at least a decade, probably 15 years, if it ever happens. Of course, given the zero licensing costs, its uses for embedded devices are vast, and save just enough money to make it very much more competitive for specialized uses, as he says. But even that won't likely happen for 10 years, mainly because of momentum. So please, stop with the hype. It's embarrassing.
Build your own LCD-2PF. XD
i dont get this lingo.. use with tubes ? what are those ?
Some headphone amplifiers use glass vacuum tubes instead of transistors. These are generally known to have a specific "flavor" for the sound. Good examples are the "little dot Mk2" or "darkvoice"
The day the legend was born :D
Coming from the hd600 to maxwell funny enough lmao I prefer open backs but Maxwells are so amazing I can pass this time
OH MY FUCKING GOD
DMS, are you ok? You can't put a laptop on your ears. Also, that room... Is it done? How much is hidden by the camera framing. #Studio tour when
beyer diss was out of left field lol
Someone need to integrate these RiscV cores into a CPU and there is none. We have some SoC and micro controllers with it, but no desktop nor server class around to make a product or two. Also, as long as there is no Windows for it, there is no desktop anyway as Linux is not a thing in that space.
I like that Framework is branching out beyond just Intel and AMD. I was wondering if it would be ARM or RISC-V that got there first, but considering their open nature I'm not surprised it was RISC-V. Since it's open source and people can mess around with the architecture a bit, I think it would be cool if someone did a laptop where it had both an ARM CPU for everyday low power tasks like web browsing and watching KZread, but also had a RISC-V CPU for more compute heavy tasks like video editing, gaming, or 3D modeling. Basically an ARM based laptop for good battery efficiency, but with a RISC-V co-processor for when you needed a little extra processing power.
Dude you nailed it with koss as I’m listening on kph30i’s w a zen dac watching my Plex server update 😂 6TB external
Potato
you could put that RiscV board in a Cooler Master chassis that Framework worked with, hopefully
Why no quater inch connection?
Which tubes did you buy exactly?
While I LOVE the concept of Framework launching a JH7110 mainboard, I've got a StarFive 2 (which uses the same CPU). The JH7110 benches out somewhere between a BCM2837 and a BCM2711. It works for VERY light web browsing and word processing. It might be "adequate" for KZread, but really, you're boiling down to users having a negative user experience. I'd much rather see them go after SpacemiT's K1 (from the DC-ROMA Laptop II) or something equivalent or better. I love the RISC-V architecture, and really want it to get a fair shake. Which means I don't want the whole ISA to be seen as inferior when the problem is with an older, underpowered, development CPU.
That’s quite interesting. I had to google a lot of those terms to find out about the headphones I just bought
Hello fellow RISC-V and umami enthusiast...
For IEMs i would say it depends. The fit must be PERFECT especially if you use foam tips. This is really hard to do if the tips colapse in your ear (which ive had trouble with recently). Fitment and therefore comfort is a huge factor. For headphones that's really not much of a problem.
Wait a minute … how does it sound. Can we change the headband? Does it respond well to EQ. Where do you stick the tubes. 😂
Apple used to be a big proponent of RISC architecture but then they abandoned it for some reason. Now they jumped on the ARM bandwagon. Anyway, it is interesting for it to come back to spotlight again. It also brings memories of SGI workstations and Amiga computers. 🙂
Power vs performance was the reason Apple dropped PowerPC to go for x86. I remembered the keynote where Steve Jobs in person gives this as a reason.
I have had a FrameWork 16 since May 1st. Running Linux Mint.
To everyone who is planing on buying this headphones, you can use this headphones for mix and mastering but only with EQ CORRECTION, otherwise its a big no, high end and seperation between mid and high frequencies will destroy your mix i am telling you this with experience, i have the 80ohms version end i am using a sound profile and they are good, my mixes sound good on every device.That's my honest review and real opinion about them.
single sided driver vs double sided which one is better? and does it matter?
I was hoping Framework would launch an ARM version, but this is even better! Long live RISC-V!
Did you fully switch from your Macbook to the Framework laptop?
I'm still using the Mac at my office for work but that's it.
As a dev I'm not sure it's good for FE work
Let me know when it can run Linux Mint. 8o)
What CPU architecture will be the first implemented in graphene? 6502, z80, risc-v?
So beautiful...
Thank you!
Nice line. The laptop of thesius. 😂
This video seems off.
how so?
Seems ok to me.
hopefully it has a UEFI bios, getting really tired of uboot and serial tty’s
Presumably would be running open source firmware? In which case I'm in.
I think I have tinnitus yet I have always done my best to protect my hearing. Never been to a concert, always wear hearing protection when doing anything that creates loud noise. Even when I was a kid, my dad always made sure I have hearing protection on. I don't even listen to music loudly. Thanks for this video, I wonder if maybe I just simply didn't have good enough hearing protection throughout my life, and I've always wondered about using the in-ear as well as over-ear protection.
Framework and RISC V in one video, let's goooooo!
Interesting why you didn't turn on to let see how it performs?
They just announced it (which is why I made the video) the boards haven't shipped to buyers yet.
How did this happen before an arm main board? Oh yeah, cause you don't have to license anything.
too expensive so it's a no-no
It's a dev kit right now so not meant to be accessible for the mass market yet
@@FunctionallyLiteratePerson i mean this brand in particular is expensive for what they offer
The cost makes a lot more sense when you factor in repairs and upgrades. Much cheaper than buying a new laptop every 5 years
More framework content plz 😅
Wow, didn't think u would make a laptop video, that too on framework, and u are a linux boy as well, and that too Fedora
The Umami Shirt!
Frame generation and branch prediction are nothing alike, I'm not sure why that comparison was made. And no, what's limiting processors is not CISC vs RISC, the decode portion of chips are fairly small, it's stuff like instruction scheduling and the like. Don't forget x86 is "RISC" internally and has been for decades. There's also the issue of RISC requiring more instructions to perform the same work, so CISC is essentially compressed machinecode that is decompressed-on-the-fly to get both small code size and fast performance.
Risc-v was designed for the intention of making it easy for CPU designers to develop niche chips without the burden of not having a software ecosystem. It's versatile enough to be used as a general computing platform though it's not going to measure up. It's really expensive for a chip to be manufactured at the most efficient fabs and a niche chip design is not going to get produced in scale to compete in performance.
No wants RISC to punch at its weight class. We want RISC for no hardware backdoors.
what makes it expensive to produce? fabs don't care what to apply to the silicon
@@D9ID9I There's limited production capacity for smaller transistor "node" sizes and the costs to manufacture chips accelerate the more transistors there are.
@@DaveAxiom this has nothing to do with risc-v specifically. It can have as many transistors as any other chip and order volume depends on the wish of big players to bring it to the table.
@@D9ID9I More transistors means more computational power. Products need demand too before they are built.
I love the concept of framework so much I am basically willing to put my money where my mouth is but I hate supporting that POS linus
I have been very interested in buying a RISC-V SBC devboard for some time now, but have yet to see one with 16Gb of ram. If this is forward looking tech they better have the bare minimum specs for today. 2, 4, 8Gb main memory is 10+ years ago specs. of course that's just my opinion.
I'm given to understand CPU instruction decode complexity contributes more to the RISC advantage over CISC than ease of branch prediction. The primeagen did a good video on this 'X86 Needs To Die' with Casey Muratori. RISC-V is less encumbered with intellectual property BS than x86 or arm but it can still have some proprietary stuff tacked on to a given SOC. For more detail checkout Andrew Katz's talk: 'Free and Open Source Licensing and RISC-V'