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  @indef2def5 күн бұрын

  Yeah. My extreme extraversion is why I'm not in academia. Sitting at a computer, alone in a room, trying to coalesce "my" thoughts into a paper, is just not the way I think. I used to envy those who did it naturally, but eventually I realized that language teaching was an ideal extravert job.

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  @frak71902 ай бұрын

  poo <3

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  @cagedguitarist12082 ай бұрын

  Sadly, because you aren’t a 12 year old boy he probably won’t :(

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  @willbyrob65823 ай бұрын

  So if you’re okay with killing animals for food because they have a lower average intelligence, you would have to be okay with killing humans for food if the average intelligence of humans drops down to that of animals.

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  @Gobbledi_Gook3 ай бұрын

  I love you

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  @grassbopper40303 ай бұрын

  I’m honestly so thankful the algorithm blessed me with this today.

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  @basedayanami3 ай бұрын

  what a lucky man... god i wish that was me

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  @indef2def3 ай бұрын

  Goddamn, dude. NICE. Now do "Hunger Strike", please!

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  @TravisTalksTwo4 ай бұрын

  Looking back at this, psychological hedonism is obviously false. There are really obvious objections to it - I don’t know why I didn’t think of them here.

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  @LTfisch5 ай бұрын

  It’s really cool that you got Jack Angstreich on your stream, he makes a lot of good points!

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  @TravisTalksTwo5 ай бұрын

  Bro…

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  @lanceindependent5 ай бұрын

  The remarks around 58:00 are really similar to my own views on the matter (not surprisingly, since you mention me around this time). I've sometimes described moral realism as a kind of bad grammar. It wouldn't make sense to say "Put the shoes" or "The tree is taller simpliciter." I like the idea of an unfinished conditional, too, e.g., "If you go to the store..." then what? No, just "If you go to the store" full stop. It just doesn't make sense. I see moral claims like "you shouldn't X" either carrying an implicit "or else" or "if you want to" or whatever, *or* they just don't make sense, for much the same reason "put the shoes" doesn't make sense. So here's a proposal: what if we call this meta-noncognitivism. It's the view that the claims moral realists make often appear but fail to be genuine propositions.

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  @SOG11727 ай бұрын

  7 years later and still one of my favs. Thanks for this song. Love ya brotha ✌🏽

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  @computerlearingchannel42577 ай бұрын

  Pro local farms. Anti factory farms run by governments.

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  @Psychokitten677 ай бұрын

  Really thought you did something with this, huh?

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  @dinghysupreme29727 ай бұрын

  Nice strawman, obviously the wider public doesn't approve of unnecessary abuse of livestock with "but bacon though". Not to mention you disingenuously featured footage that is over a decade old where the company and the employees shown already faced punishment. It'd be no different than showing some child being malnourished by abusive vegan parents from over a decade ago, with the tagline "but meat is murder though". Its disingenuous and its lazy.

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  @computerlearingchannel42577 ай бұрын

  Strawman or not this is factory farming run or regulated by governments. That meat gets put to grocery store around the states. Its why people need to start looking in getting there meat from local farms. That take care of there livestock.

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  @dinghysupreme29727 ай бұрын

  @@computerlearingchannel4257 Except; This is/was a farm in the UK not the states. The farm and company that owned it was taken off animal welfare partnerships and its produce refused by stores. The employees and by association the company faced repercussions. This isn't the standard for animal farming in the UK, factory farm or otherwise, nor is it condoned by the wider public or the markets the produce is sold by. Again, you're completely ignoring the context of the footage and pushing a lazy strawman for the sake of your ideology. While I agree there should be a focus on locally reared and slaughtered livestock, everything else you've stated is either false, misleading or just outright disingenuous.

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  @computerlearingchannel42577 ай бұрын

  @@dinghysupreme2972 whats a lazy strawman about my statement. This is common in factory farming plain and simple. Im not speaking about this specific video im speaking in "general". Volume issue regulation issue non the less it happens in factory farming. Remember your country is different from my country My country approves slob feed pork to be sold in supermarkets. They allow mood fill compost from walmart to be slob feed for cow and pigs. I know cuz I use to work at walmart all the moody dairy,produce, and bread that was thrown in a bin get shipped to pork factory as feed. Yet regulated and approved by my government. This is why i approve local farming i want to know the animal im about to consume lived a happy life.

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  @dinghysupreme29727 ай бұрын

  @@computerlearingchannel4257 " Im not speaking about this specific video im speaking in "general"." Funny, since you replied to a comment addressing the footage of this specific video, while defending the strawman presented by this video and making claims about it ("Strawman or not this is factory farming run or regulated by governments, That meat gets put to grocery store around the states"). Yes my country is different from yours, so your generalization is irrelevant.

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  @computerlearingchannel42577 ай бұрын

  @@dinghysupreme2972 did i add " a" to " this is factory farming". No i didnt cuz if i did it would of been "this is a factory farm" as in this specific factory farm. From the start i was never mentioning this factory farm specifically. I was speaking in general from the beginning and this video adds to my generalization. Again from the start im speaking in general not this farm specifically. "strawman or not this is factory farming run or regulated by governments" again how is this sentence picking out a single farm when it reads as picking out a general group of farms aka " factory farming " . I know im dyslexic and have terrible writing skills but damn yo. By the way the poster of this video will most likely post another factory farm doing the same inhumane and waste of revenue tactic. Guess what his message will still be the same " but bacon though"

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  @jacobhoffman25537 ай бұрын

  wow thats some inhumane shit right there....

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  @dinghysupreme29727 ай бұрын

  Thankfully the footage is over a decade old and the farm as well as the employees have already faced repercussions.

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  @JigglyPuffins7 ай бұрын

  This is going to get taken down. The only message you are sending by uploading this is to try to scare people into being a vegan. No this isn’t right but you’re just as bad for uploading it. Did you find out where this was at and have you done anything about it? So if you haven’t done anything to actually stop this from happening you have done nothing for the world. Why don’t you go start your own farm and see how it goes for you? Oh right you just want to try and freak people out. It didn’t work and people are probably going to eat more pigs because of this. Now I’m hungry.

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  @1Fine69c7 ай бұрын

  Cry about. Look up the thousands of pigs that get killed in order to keep them from eating crops. If you eat ANYTHING you have blood on your hands.

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  @papabird44257 ай бұрын

  Yes, bacon is what we like. Those of us that take responsibility for our food are comfortable with the fact that taking life is a natural part of the human experience. Our ancestors ate meat where they could get it, chasing it for days. They didnt eat fkng soy. Now look at us.

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  @apotbos7 ай бұрын

  So what's wrong

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  @computerlearingchannel42577 ай бұрын

  Whats wrong is its a waste of life and revenue. Those pigs could of easily be sold to local farmers or family farms that would treat those pigs as pets. But what can you expect from factory farming that regulated by governments to even be run by governments.

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  @Keys8797 ай бұрын

  @@computerlearingchannel4257 Those pigs would have died not long after. That's what they were checking. It's obvious you have no experience in animal husbandry. Some just don't make it. Some are lame bred. In the Wild the mother either abandons, kills, or eats this creature. Rather barbaric in their method of execution, it is not a 'waste of life and revenue'. Nature is cold, hard. These piglets would not have survived much longer.

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  @msjkramey7 ай бұрын

  I was hoping for a discussion video or something, not animal abuse without a trigger warning. What a d*ck move. And it doesn't really help your cause either. Really thinking of unsubbing now.

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  @indef2def7 ай бұрын

  Highest level of government approval, right there.

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  @computerlearingchannel42577 ай бұрын

  Thats is why its time to start purchasing meat from local farm. And not factory farm run by governments. F*ck the government

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  @ProBeansEater7 ай бұрын

  We should eat a very land inefficient plant based diet like one the consists of only lettuce and bell peppers

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  @indef2def8 ай бұрын

  I like how my hair looks copper in this lighting!

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  @Green3ry9 ай бұрын

  you think with your emotions. so try logic for a change. human nature? nutrition? your arguments against the shit were literally based on emotion too. ur veganism seeps through it lmao.

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  @TheSkepticBeingHindi9 ай бұрын

  यह बुरा है, यह बुरा है यार

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  @TheSkepticBeingHindi9 ай бұрын

  Yeah, because we need more of those

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  @reasonablevegan9 ай бұрын

  I like a lot about this. My first question for you is, do you think cows have a “will to live” or a “want for a future” or something like that?

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  @JaromEubanks9 ай бұрын

  I have that intuition yes.

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  @indef2def9 ай бұрын

  Yes. I also think cows (maybe all mammals and birds) have systems sophisticated enough to be called morality. But in addition, will to live or want for a future are not required for it to be a good thing when increased well-being is added to the universe.

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  @reasonablevegan9 ай бұрын

  @@indef2def I brought up Will to live and want for a future, because I think the answer to that can affect how bad it is to end their lives.

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  @indef2def9 ай бұрын

  @@reasonablevegan I agree that it can *affect* how bad it is to end a life, but not reduce that badness to zero, because loss of future happy moments is in and of itself a bad thing.

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  @indef2def9 ай бұрын

  Ah, you're taking on a bigger steelman challenge. I thought you were going to make the much easier case that we should be deriving much of our food from earthworms, who, even to the extent that they're sentient, are going to be living especially amazing lives in the kind of conditions humans would be incentivized to farm them in.

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  @JaromEubanks9 ай бұрын

  I wanted to go full animal farming.

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  @veganix67579 ай бұрын

  You should reconsider your values again. It’s clear majority of people would think your views are stuffed up. I agree with Gains

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  @reasonablevegan10 ай бұрын

  This is great! Song and video!

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  @Poozer125110 ай бұрын

  Super accurate and creative piano composition, super cool voice🤯 crazy good

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  @reasonablevegan10 ай бұрын

  Good talk guys!

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  @Nicky_Dore11 ай бұрын

  If you believe in god you are irrational by definition. Facts don’t care about your feelings.

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  @Nicky_Dore11 ай бұрын

  Wow what a pain, “I’m slightly inconvenienced socially”…meanwhile animals are literally being skinned alive and tortured and mutilated. Go vegan who cares what others think. Be around other caring individuals. 🌱

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  @reasonablevegan11 ай бұрын

  This is great!!

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  @RavenSherbert11 ай бұрын

  Nice work. He dodged for like 6 mins and then kinda just bit the bullet on the cognitively impaired human holocaust. I laughed when he was like “A cow is perfectly happy standing in one spot, but I don’t know how someone would measure the happiness of a cow”

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  @indef2def11 ай бұрын

  Great impact, dude! One thing I wish you would have asked him is whether he would ethically encourage people without Crohn's or similar diseases to go vegan. Analogies readily come to mind. If there were a really expensive government-provided wheelchair, and you were a paraplegic who needed it to live a reasonably good life, then you still ought to say that perfectly able-bodied people getting such a taxpayer-funded chair just for fun, would be doing something morally wrong.

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  @totezmcgotez4411 ай бұрын

  sounds great

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  @TheSkepticBeingHindi11 ай бұрын

  ❤

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  @totezmcgotez4411 ай бұрын

  👍👍👍

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  @LatterDayData11 ай бұрын

  Impressive!

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  @totezmcgotez4411 ай бұрын

  whaaaaaa

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  @reasonablevegan11 ай бұрын

  Jarom, if 10 units of pressure was the maximum amount of pleasure for humans, and there were ten people that each had 10 units of pleasure: would you rather let them keep existing how they are and not bring a new person into the world, or bring one new person into the world by taking 1 unit from each of the ten, leaving them each with 9 units, so the new one has 10 units? And to make this simple, let’s say there is no suffering in this world.

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  @JaromEubanks11 ай бұрын

  I accept the repugnant conclusion if that's what you're asking

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  @reasonablevegan11 ай бұрын

  @@JaromEubanks does the repugnant conclusion involve actually removing happiness from humans? I was thinking it was just deciding out of two option, which would be better.

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  @JaromEubanks11 ай бұрын

  @@reasonablevegan yes.

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  @reasonablevegan11 ай бұрын

  @@JaromEubanks and you would do this? So if so if two people were missing both legs, and two other people were missing none, would you press a button then made it so all 4 were missing only 1? And I mean real humans.

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  @indef2def11 ай бұрын

  I don't think that legs are a very good stand-in for utility. There are many utility-producing things you can do with two legs that aren't reduced by exactly 50% when you have one, and neither is all positive utility reduced by 100% when you have no legs. @@reasonablevegan

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  @reasonablevegan11 ай бұрын

  Travis, I think we might need to talk about this topic again. On (1.) hand, you think more people is better if they have net positive lives. On the other (2.) hand, you would press a button to wipe out all animals including humans. So (3.), how can you think the moral choice is to have more babies if you don’t know if they will have net positive lives and you do know that they’ll be born into a group that you personally would destroy, including them?

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  @reasonablevegan11 ай бұрын

  Part of my comment is hinging on the idea that you still feel the ways I described, which in part is you agreeing with Jarom in this video.

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  @TravisTalksTwo11 ай бұрын

  The view isn’t that it’s good to have more babies. The view is that once you have a baby, it’s wrong to kill them.

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  @indef2def11 ай бұрын

  The preferability of wiping out all life is contingent upon believing that the status quo of factory farms and even larger suffering in nature isn't going to be solved. The moral ideal is a future where those problems are solved and there are lots of net positive lives.

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  @reasonablevegan11 ай бұрын

  @@indef2def Travis would press the button today, and not wait for a better future.

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  @indef2def11 ай бұрын

  That's still perfectly consistent with recommending having a (positive expected well-being) child, since such a button does not in fact exist.@@reasonablevegan

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  @indef2def11 ай бұрын

  It takes a big man to admit that he was wrong. But it takes an even bigger man to laugh at that man.

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  @reasonablevegan11 ай бұрын

  Hahahhaaa!

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  @indef2def11 ай бұрын

  @@reasonablevegan That's paraphrasing the greatest comedic mind, Jack Handey :-)

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  @luxiax1836 Жыл бұрын

  The best argument for eating meat, is a good stake's flavor, as long as that is true, there is nothing anyone can say to change my mind

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  @reasonablevegan Жыл бұрын

  Good video, my friend.