I just got a para 3 in maxamet. I love it. Vurry nice 😊
@birdmanneАй бұрын
Love the native 5 in maxamet. I own 2 now
@jooky52 ай бұрын
Might be worth sending that back to leatherman. Seems like an insane amount of rust. I have a sidekick in my fishing bag that gets submerged every now and then when I wet wade in the summer and it only has a spot or two of rust
@acid6urns2 ай бұрын
disagree benchmade is absolutely purposely bleeding their customers. it’s why the only benchmades i’ve bought were all in the past two weeks and were all on sale for under $120. got a mini barrage for $120, and a d2 serrated griptillian for $99 and just saw the black handle black blade griptillian on sale for $99 on bladehq since they’re discontinued. but i think $144 for the base griptillian is an okay price. i think at the $180 price point of the bugout the redoubt is a much better knife, cpm d2 has slightly less edge retention than s30v but it’s much tougher.
@Brian-rj5rl2 ай бұрын
Some of the mini grips are less than $100 recently at the big online dealers
@71gef2 ай бұрын
I get mine tomorrow 😁
@greghaddock83162 ай бұрын
Good video. Never had maxamet. I’d go delica in k390 cause I know I can strop it back. Not so sure about the higher hardness maxamet Also prefer the thinner stock on delica. For everyday stuff I slice, I don’t stab often.
@Low-effort-individual2 ай бұрын
Maxamet is great I wish more models were made in it also it patinas nicely if you cut some raw chicken or meat/onions and leave it for a little while give it a wash and a oil
@daveyboy69853 ай бұрын
I personally like touching up my knives, so i would never go beyond something like 154cm in edge retention, and this is the big one, where i live steels like k390, maxemet and magnacut are obscenely expensive , other wise id give one of these steels a try. PS. I can always hand any of my knives in a lesser steel like 14c28n to someone, and it'll be razor sharp
@OnlyGamingClips3 ай бұрын
Thinking about getting some custom scales and clip for my mini grip. P.S. you can also fit Chaves skull clips on the Mini Grip, I did it to mine with my extra Chaves clip and it actually looks really cool.
@OnlyGamingClips3 ай бұрын
I have a mini grip and I like it, carried it a few times, but I always go back to my personal fav, The Spyderco Stretch 2 in VG10. I only paid 67.99$ for it, it's got a reliable lock, something I care most about, a solid steel that is easy to maintain, grippy bi-texture scales so it doesn't slip, and a generous lanyard hole. I always go backs to that model bc I love that drop point blade on it, I even have one in K390, but I carry the VG10 just bc maintenance is way easier. And if I lose it somehow, or some idiot I let uses it chips the blade, I won't want to cry, and can just order another one from Japan. I also carry a small knife too, a Chaves TAK, which is my fav small pocket knife for back up.
@SpareSpacesuit3 ай бұрын
I dont use soap on my k390 and mine looks great (I do strop the sides of the knife with my green paste strop to keep it shiny though) and then put a thin layer of KPI all over it
@zacpino30723 ай бұрын
And WD-40 rust so keep that in mind, I would use like a gun oil or knife oil
@zacpino30723 ай бұрын
You washing it with water is the problem wash it with oil only
@JohnVentarino-ey5ln3 ай бұрын
I can tell you keep your knives for show and not users which is fine cause im the same way with 90 percent of my knives. The reason i say that is because your Para 2 in MAXAMET looks brand new.
@Knifeandkompass773 ай бұрын
Honestly I’m just weary to use it Unless there is cardboard around I tend to heavily use my cheaper stuff
@doransponsel48133 ай бұрын
None of spydercos maxamet knives will test 70 hrc. 69 is is like finding a holographic Charizard as a kid most are 67-68. Also, vanadium carbides are harder than tungsten carbides believe it or not!
@jimmycricket79463 ай бұрын
Vanadium carbides are stronger then tungsten? Where did you hear that? As far as I know there's only one element stronger then tungsten and it isn't vanadium.
@doransponsel4813Ай бұрын
@@jimmycricket7946look it up. I'm saying strictly the carbides, not straight vanadium vs tungsten. Vanadium carbides can be 80+ HRC
@doransponsel4813Ай бұрын
@@jimmycricket7946also I said harder, not stronger. More wear resistance and hardness. Tungsten carbides are 70 ish HRC maybe slightly higher but definitely not 80 HRC
@freshsteve5094 ай бұрын
This is the most Canadian knife review I never saw
@Knifeandkompass774 ай бұрын
Lol 😂 it’s unhidable
@gonad844 ай бұрын
Great blade steels. I have a pm2 in maxamet and a k390 knife on the way. What kind of bugs me is that so many stainless steel knives are sold with a coating but these two carbon kings are not offered with one. Heck, the s45vn pm2 is offered that way.
@Hungrybird4744 ай бұрын
That rust will turn black eventually after cleaning with bartenders keep . Ends up looking pretty good imho . Takes a couple years naturally . I think they look better a little worn in . I’m not an edge retention queen either but I’ve noticed the difference using a better steel . It’s liking having a turbo in a v6 😊
@danofiremano4 ай бұрын
The Native is one of my favorite designs from Spyderco. I have the original FS version, the S90V 2015 Forum Knife, a Maxamet & two S30V (satin & DLC), as well as the G-10 Blurple S110V.
@123456789271644 ай бұрын
The leek was the first knife I ever was allowed to buy. It’s nice but the spring broke within a week, and my hands are now just too large to hold one properly
@1Rabble-Rouser4 ай бұрын
Cemented carbides....👏
@airwolf20014 ай бұрын
Birchwood Casey Gun Blue works wonders
@MrDkgio5 ай бұрын
I think you are being way to lenient with leatherman, the Victorinox have a lifetime warranty, if you were to send it back it would come back with a minimum of new pliers, a lot of people get the original sent back along with a brand new replacement. Many people moan about the steels that Victorinox use, but just looking at your examples the Victorinox wins hands down.
@Knifeandkompass775 ай бұрын
Yea but I mean Leatherman is still great I carry my rebar a lot I’m just not sure why that ol wave rusted so bad lol But yes Victorinox is better in my opinion another commenter stated that Victorinox is much older company so they have had a long time to perfect things
@jordy7035 ай бұрын
I love this knife. Always on me with my manix 2. My manix 2 salt is on the way from the USA can’t wait man. 🎉
@Knifeandkompass775 ай бұрын
Oh yea those are slick Enjoy man
@Fhyrion5 ай бұрын
That corrosion is an interesting data point for comparing both tools. I've heard that Victorionox steel has high level of cromium in it. I wonder if that allowed it to survive longer in your work environment. Either way, it seems victorionox may be the way to go if corrosion is a consideration outside normal use levels. I think I still prefer the toolset of my Surge, but I'm not dunking it in saltwater every day either. Thanks for the info!
@Knifeandkompass775 ай бұрын
I believe your right about the chromium And it probably did help
@charlestonchavers38325 ай бұрын
manix 2 lw in rex45 for $150 on gp knives
@JohnVentarino-ey5ln3 ай бұрын
Is Rex 45 more of a longer lasting edge retention then Maxamet.
@mrc22055 ай бұрын
I love this model, the 945 is in my rotation.
@lymedog31765 ай бұрын
14c28n is a tough steel, definitely tougher than both maxamet and k390. It won’t hold the edge like them, but it’s the closest to Magnacut steel. Vanadis 8 and K390 are very close steels. K390 is tougher than maxamet. Maxamet is second to Rex 121 in edge retention.
@themegasexybasterd5 ай бұрын
I will never buy a Leatherman tool because of its price,BUT in its defence that is NOT a bottle opener its a CAN opener and in my eyes much more useful!
@diezelvh41335 ай бұрын
K390 👍 Boiled vinegar bath for a nice patina works wonders. Patina and then a nice oil with Ballistal etc. I'm in the PNW and have no problems.
@Knifeandkompass775 ай бұрын
Good to hear!
@HudaNeiburg5 ай бұрын
Nice! Where did you get that Mini Nightshade from?
@Knifeandkompass775 ай бұрын
Blades Canada exclusive
@johntatum59795 ай бұрын
I have a native 5 LW and I do like it but there is an issue with these knives that spyderco should fix. The handle screw that is right behind the lock bar cannot be tightened fully, it must be left loose. If you tighten it down it will bind up the lockbar. I have had multiple versions of the native 5 LW and they all suffer from this issue.
@Knifeandkompass775 ай бұрын
Interesting Good thing to note thanks for that!
@Theknifenutbige5 ай бұрын
Awesome
@MrDkgio5 ай бұрын
Interesting that you mention it’s a big win that you “could” disassemble the the Leatherman to clean the tools… The irony is that you obviously didn’t need to do that with the Swiss tool over your entire adult life, yet the Leatherman is a rust bucket after 5 years…
@Knifeandkompass775 ай бұрын
Yup not sure why it rusted so bad
@Northanteus5 ай бұрын
Wondering why you don't clean the rust off the Leatherman and put oil on it? I found a high carbon steel wire clips (made in Japan, surprisingly enough) in a shed in the new house I moved into and cleaned the rust off, now it has little dark spots where rust once was, but they're oiled and ready to go. Look at it like battle scars. 😁 I have one Victorinox so far, might get a swiss champ in future. Right now I have Ranger Grip 79. I think Victorinox put a lot more chromium in their metal because, remember, these are SWISS ARMY knives. That means they had over a century of hard use in the field where it snows and rains, so they had to learn which metal to use so their tools did not rust easily in the field for soldiers to deal with in combat. Leatherman came out in the 70s or 80s, and they did not have all that experience, time or money to put into testing which metal to use to stop it from rusting easily. Just my viewpoint on that issue. Today, they should definitely change up their metal. Guess they just don't feel like it.
@Knifeandkompass775 ай бұрын
Good points on the Swiss army steel 100% they had much more experience I am planning on cleaning it Just need some time lol
@Northanteus5 ай бұрын
@@Knifeandkompass77 If my memory is correct, I just used vinegar and salt to scrub the rust off my tools. I learned to use this to scrub my copper and brass items as well. I think letting the tool soak in acidic liquid (like vinegar) will help break up the rust, thus making it easier to scrub off. And it's not toxic chemicals, so no worries on the fumes. I'd wear plastic gloves anyway. I buy big boxes of disposable plastic gloves to use for many things around the house that I'd not want my skin touching. 😁
@Knifeandkompass775 ай бұрын
@@Northanteus I’ll give it a try thx!
@patrickmunneke83485 ай бұрын
You gotta Clean off that rust😅😅😅
@getsmart37015 ай бұрын
"Hands down, Victorinonx". Seconded here. The build quality of the two brands is far superior. Nothing wrong with Leatherman, I had a Charge TTi for 15 years and it never let me down, so huge respect to Leatherman but my Victorinox Spirit build and tool quality is a level up. Personally, I sport a Victorinox Forester One hand and a Knipex Corba XS and I find that covers me nicely both around the farm, ski touring and hiking (for cycle touring I bring an accessory tool kit). Nice video mate.
@Knifeandkompass775 ай бұрын
Thank a lot!
@cwsmith175 ай бұрын
Great review, thanks!
@Knifeandkompass775 ай бұрын
Thankyou!
@nicohurter29735 ай бұрын
Pm 2 comes in left hand option. This is the best well thought through review I have seen in a long time. THANK YOU
@Knifeandkompass775 ай бұрын
Glad to hear it! And thx for the info
@sonofliberty785 ай бұрын
I much prefer the Para3 LightWeight. The FRN scales have far more comfortable ergos because of their contours, and the LW is significantly lighter, with a far better default pocket clip carry position. Imo, the standard Para3 is a small knife which carries like a full-sized knife. I’d rather just carry a PM2 instead. Ymmv
@Knivesarelife5 ай бұрын
Love them both
@richardvirchow33905 ай бұрын
My Para3 LW is my EDC despite the fact that I have a 200 pocket knife collection.
@escapetherace19435 ай бұрын
nobody said you were smart
@Knifeandkompass775 ай бұрын
That’s good! I want a lw myself
@DuhYaThink5 ай бұрын
Right?
@DuhYaThink5 ай бұрын
Para3 used cpm4v,10v,20cv,cruwear,k390, cts- xhp,m4,52100,Elmax and I’m sure more steels. 👍🏻
@DuhYaThink5 ай бұрын
Sage 5 lw smokes the Para3 in my opinion of course. I have a bunch of them and lightweights but don’t use them. I’m on a bigger knife kick lately so I’m edc’ing a police 4 lw K390 serrated or Military 2 and a Native 5 lw serrated MagnaCut. Good review 👍🏻
@Knifeandkompass775 ай бұрын
Thanks!
@diezelvh41335 ай бұрын
Does spyderco heat treat magnacut well? K390 is my jam, but in PNW, I need something stainless for winter.
@Knifeandkompass775 ай бұрын
@@diezelvh4133 I would say spyderco and Chris reeve would do magnacut the best only my opinion tho
@DuhYaThink5 ай бұрын
@@diezelvh4133 From what I’ve read. Dr.Larrin Thomas the engineer behind MagnaCut , it can be heat treated in a wide range from 61-65 hrc. It’s pretty much the next biggest thing since s30v was made for knives. Tough as cpm4v and as corrosion resistance like cpm S45vn. I’m my limited use in a Spyderco Native 5 lw serrated edge it has been great.
@bjs712855 ай бұрын
Just send it in for warranty
@machpandac5 ай бұрын
Wish they would make a native with compression lock. Probably wont happen with the shaman being so similar.
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I bought two.
Sold it after 1 month cuz the springs broke
I just got a para 3 in maxamet. I love it. Vurry nice 😊
Love the native 5 in maxamet. I own 2 now
Might be worth sending that back to leatherman. Seems like an insane amount of rust. I have a sidekick in my fishing bag that gets submerged every now and then when I wet wade in the summer and it only has a spot or two of rust
disagree benchmade is absolutely purposely bleeding their customers. it’s why the only benchmades i’ve bought were all in the past two weeks and were all on sale for under $120. got a mini barrage for $120, and a d2 serrated griptillian for $99 and just saw the black handle black blade griptillian on sale for $99 on bladehq since they’re discontinued. but i think $144 for the base griptillian is an okay price. i think at the $180 price point of the bugout the redoubt is a much better knife, cpm d2 has slightly less edge retention than s30v but it’s much tougher.
Some of the mini grips are less than $100 recently at the big online dealers
I get mine tomorrow 😁
Good video. Never had maxamet. I’d go delica in k390 cause I know I can strop it back. Not so sure about the higher hardness maxamet Also prefer the thinner stock on delica. For everyday stuff I slice, I don’t stab often.
Maxamet is great I wish more models were made in it also it patinas nicely if you cut some raw chicken or meat/onions and leave it for a little while give it a wash and a oil
I personally like touching up my knives, so i would never go beyond something like 154cm in edge retention, and this is the big one, where i live steels like k390, maxemet and magnacut are obscenely expensive , other wise id give one of these steels a try. PS. I can always hand any of my knives in a lesser steel like 14c28n to someone, and it'll be razor sharp
Thinking about getting some custom scales and clip for my mini grip. P.S. you can also fit Chaves skull clips on the Mini Grip, I did it to mine with my extra Chaves clip and it actually looks really cool.
I have a mini grip and I like it, carried it a few times, but I always go back to my personal fav, The Spyderco Stretch 2 in VG10. I only paid 67.99$ for it, it's got a reliable lock, something I care most about, a solid steel that is easy to maintain, grippy bi-texture scales so it doesn't slip, and a generous lanyard hole. I always go backs to that model bc I love that drop point blade on it, I even have one in K390, but I carry the VG10 just bc maintenance is way easier. And if I lose it somehow, or some idiot I let uses it chips the blade, I won't want to cry, and can just order another one from Japan. I also carry a small knife too, a Chaves TAK, which is my fav small pocket knife for back up.
I dont use soap on my k390 and mine looks great (I do strop the sides of the knife with my green paste strop to keep it shiny though) and then put a thin layer of KPI all over it
And WD-40 rust so keep that in mind, I would use like a gun oil or knife oil
You washing it with water is the problem wash it with oil only
I can tell you keep your knives for show and not users which is fine cause im the same way with 90 percent of my knives. The reason i say that is because your Para 2 in MAXAMET looks brand new.
Honestly I’m just weary to use it Unless there is cardboard around I tend to heavily use my cheaper stuff
None of spydercos maxamet knives will test 70 hrc. 69 is is like finding a holographic Charizard as a kid most are 67-68. Also, vanadium carbides are harder than tungsten carbides believe it or not!
Vanadium carbides are stronger then tungsten? Where did you hear that? As far as I know there's only one element stronger then tungsten and it isn't vanadium.
@@jimmycricket7946look it up. I'm saying strictly the carbides, not straight vanadium vs tungsten. Vanadium carbides can be 80+ HRC
@@jimmycricket7946also I said harder, not stronger. More wear resistance and hardness. Tungsten carbides are 70 ish HRC maybe slightly higher but definitely not 80 HRC
This is the most Canadian knife review I never saw
Lol 😂 it’s unhidable
Great blade steels. I have a pm2 in maxamet and a k390 knife on the way. What kind of bugs me is that so many stainless steel knives are sold with a coating but these two carbon kings are not offered with one. Heck, the s45vn pm2 is offered that way.
That rust will turn black eventually after cleaning with bartenders keep . Ends up looking pretty good imho . Takes a couple years naturally . I think they look better a little worn in . I’m not an edge retention queen either but I’ve noticed the difference using a better steel . It’s liking having a turbo in a v6 😊
The Native is one of my favorite designs from Spyderco. I have the original FS version, the S90V 2015 Forum Knife, a Maxamet & two S30V (satin & DLC), as well as the G-10 Blurple S110V.
The leek was the first knife I ever was allowed to buy. It’s nice but the spring broke within a week, and my hands are now just too large to hold one properly
Cemented carbides....👏
Birchwood Casey Gun Blue works wonders
I think you are being way to lenient with leatherman, the Victorinox have a lifetime warranty, if you were to send it back it would come back with a minimum of new pliers, a lot of people get the original sent back along with a brand new replacement. Many people moan about the steels that Victorinox use, but just looking at your examples the Victorinox wins hands down.
Yea but I mean Leatherman is still great I carry my rebar a lot I’m just not sure why that ol wave rusted so bad lol But yes Victorinox is better in my opinion another commenter stated that Victorinox is much older company so they have had a long time to perfect things
I love this knife. Always on me with my manix 2. My manix 2 salt is on the way from the USA can’t wait man. 🎉
Oh yea those are slick Enjoy man
That corrosion is an interesting data point for comparing both tools. I've heard that Victorionox steel has high level of cromium in it. I wonder if that allowed it to survive longer in your work environment. Either way, it seems victorionox may be the way to go if corrosion is a consideration outside normal use levels. I think I still prefer the toolset of my Surge, but I'm not dunking it in saltwater every day either. Thanks for the info!
I believe your right about the chromium And it probably did help
manix 2 lw in rex45 for $150 on gp knives
Is Rex 45 more of a longer lasting edge retention then Maxamet.
I love this model, the 945 is in my rotation.
14c28n is a tough steel, definitely tougher than both maxamet and k390. It won’t hold the edge like them, but it’s the closest to Magnacut steel. Vanadis 8 and K390 are very close steels. K390 is tougher than maxamet. Maxamet is second to Rex 121 in edge retention.
I will never buy a Leatherman tool because of its price,BUT in its defence that is NOT a bottle opener its a CAN opener and in my eyes much more useful!
K390 👍 Boiled vinegar bath for a nice patina works wonders. Patina and then a nice oil with Ballistal etc. I'm in the PNW and have no problems.
Good to hear!
Nice! Where did you get that Mini Nightshade from?
Blades Canada exclusive
I have a native 5 LW and I do like it but there is an issue with these knives that spyderco should fix. The handle screw that is right behind the lock bar cannot be tightened fully, it must be left loose. If you tighten it down it will bind up the lockbar. I have had multiple versions of the native 5 LW and they all suffer from this issue.
Interesting Good thing to note thanks for that!
Awesome
Interesting that you mention it’s a big win that you “could” disassemble the the Leatherman to clean the tools… The irony is that you obviously didn’t need to do that with the Swiss tool over your entire adult life, yet the Leatherman is a rust bucket after 5 years…
Yup not sure why it rusted so bad
Wondering why you don't clean the rust off the Leatherman and put oil on it? I found a high carbon steel wire clips (made in Japan, surprisingly enough) in a shed in the new house I moved into and cleaned the rust off, now it has little dark spots where rust once was, but they're oiled and ready to go. Look at it like battle scars. 😁 I have one Victorinox so far, might get a swiss champ in future. Right now I have Ranger Grip 79. I think Victorinox put a lot more chromium in their metal because, remember, these are SWISS ARMY knives. That means they had over a century of hard use in the field where it snows and rains, so they had to learn which metal to use so their tools did not rust easily in the field for soldiers to deal with in combat. Leatherman came out in the 70s or 80s, and they did not have all that experience, time or money to put into testing which metal to use to stop it from rusting easily. Just my viewpoint on that issue. Today, they should definitely change up their metal. Guess they just don't feel like it.
Good points on the Swiss army steel 100% they had much more experience I am planning on cleaning it Just need some time lol
@@Knifeandkompass77 If my memory is correct, I just used vinegar and salt to scrub the rust off my tools. I learned to use this to scrub my copper and brass items as well. I think letting the tool soak in acidic liquid (like vinegar) will help break up the rust, thus making it easier to scrub off. And it's not toxic chemicals, so no worries on the fumes. I'd wear plastic gloves anyway. I buy big boxes of disposable plastic gloves to use for many things around the house that I'd not want my skin touching. 😁
@@Northanteus I’ll give it a try thx!
You gotta Clean off that rust😅😅😅
"Hands down, Victorinonx". Seconded here. The build quality of the two brands is far superior. Nothing wrong with Leatherman, I had a Charge TTi for 15 years and it never let me down, so huge respect to Leatherman but my Victorinox Spirit build and tool quality is a level up. Personally, I sport a Victorinox Forester One hand and a Knipex Corba XS and I find that covers me nicely both around the farm, ski touring and hiking (for cycle touring I bring an accessory tool kit). Nice video mate.
Thank a lot!
Great review, thanks!
Thankyou!
Pm 2 comes in left hand option. This is the best well thought through review I have seen in a long time. THANK YOU
Glad to hear it! And thx for the info
I much prefer the Para3 LightWeight. The FRN scales have far more comfortable ergos because of their contours, and the LW is significantly lighter, with a far better default pocket clip carry position. Imo, the standard Para3 is a small knife which carries like a full-sized knife. I’d rather just carry a PM2 instead. Ymmv
Love them both
My Para3 LW is my EDC despite the fact that I have a 200 pocket knife collection.
nobody said you were smart
That’s good! I want a lw myself
Right?
Para3 used cpm4v,10v,20cv,cruwear,k390, cts- xhp,m4,52100,Elmax and I’m sure more steels. 👍🏻
Sage 5 lw smokes the Para3 in my opinion of course. I have a bunch of them and lightweights but don’t use them. I’m on a bigger knife kick lately so I’m edc’ing a police 4 lw K390 serrated or Military 2 and a Native 5 lw serrated MagnaCut. Good review 👍🏻
Thanks!
Does spyderco heat treat magnacut well? K390 is my jam, but in PNW, I need something stainless for winter.
@@diezelvh4133 I would say spyderco and Chris reeve would do magnacut the best only my opinion tho
@@diezelvh4133 From what I’ve read. Dr.Larrin Thomas the engineer behind MagnaCut , it can be heat treated in a wide range from 61-65 hrc. It’s pretty much the next biggest thing since s30v was made for knives. Tough as cpm4v and as corrosion resistance like cpm S45vn. I’m my limited use in a Spyderco Native 5 lw serrated edge it has been great.
Just send it in for warranty
Wish they would make a native with compression lock. Probably wont happen with the shaman being so similar.
There is a lil native with one