I like your Citrus shirt with the pop of hot pink!
@tanagreeknose73764 күн бұрын
Thanks! It's my fave!
@patidelaluz23904 күн бұрын
Im so happy for you and all the Happy Cat CITRUS fans!😊
@tanagreeknose73764 күн бұрын
Yaaaay!
@bigred197055 күн бұрын
awesomeness! love the reaction. cute glasses by the way.
@tanagreeknose73765 күн бұрын
Thanks! They certainly give off a different feel.
@Someone280225 күн бұрын
Hello 😊
@tanagreeknose73765 күн бұрын
Heeeeey!
@charlesbrown15707 күн бұрын
5873 view yes
@charlesbrown15707 күн бұрын
I need to order the ff7 ultimania omega
@tanagreeknose73766 күн бұрын
@@charlesbrown1570 It's a great item!
@renegade6377 күн бұрын
2:48 "There's a part of me that didn't want to be too mean to Aerith...." I can relate. When they go to Nibelheim and Cloud and Aerith climb the water tower and talk, one of the replies Cloud can give, "That's not funny", felt so curt even for Cloud that I felt bad for Aerith cause I know what it feels like to have something I say get taken out of context and thrown in my face.
@tanagreeknose73766 күн бұрын
@@renegade637 LOL. They have a weird dynamic going on.
@alirelax87618 күн бұрын
so that's why the story was confusing... in the original game, Buddhism was not that deep attached to the story. I'm Muslim, and we have our religion & believe. So, in the end the result I will pass part 3 of the game.😐✋️
@tanagreeknose73766 күн бұрын
@@alirelax8761 But it was. It always was. Sakaguchi was inspired to add the theme of life in even more when his mother died. Hence, Aerith's death.
@Manja19899 күн бұрын
❤Cloud and Tifa❤ since 1997 - peace and out 😎✌🏼
@thefluxparadox10 күн бұрын
I really enjoyed this analysis. I also found it to be very in line with both eastern philosophy and Jungian thought. I actually played this game during my own recovery from psychosis trauma and loss, and it was incredibly cathartic for me. The fact it can feel convoluted and messy really just added more resonance to me because life does feel like that sometimes. No matter how much we try to reduce things (to duality or non-dual) it is often still so complex and colourful.. I look forward to watching more of your stuff. That was a delight to listen to and watch.
@tanagreeknose73769 күн бұрын
@@thefluxparadox Wow! This comment means a lot, thanks for sharing your feedback and some of your own journey. I'll make sure to keep working hard because of those such as yourself who resonate with these types of videos.
@shezlinparmar364913 күн бұрын
Also Tana, how do you feel about the Cleriths claiming that this Gongaga scene (near kiss) is Tifa taking advantage of a vulnerable Cloud. 🫣
@tanagreeknose737613 күн бұрын
I think it's very odd. We cannot control how people perceive certain things, but all we can do is be grateful and appreciative of what's to come in part 3!
@nickmurkel246913 күн бұрын
It's obvious cope.
@shezlinparmar364912 күн бұрын
@@tanagreeknose7376 I literally ended up having a ‘discussion’ with some CAs & all they hung onto was that the Gongaga scene is Tifa taking advantage of a vulnerable Cloud & the GS kiss is fan service. It’s so crazy to me. Thank you for replying Tana! 🤍
@shezlinparmar364913 күн бұрын
Love this! 🤍
@christopherkhan303214 күн бұрын
For a fan since 1997, I can honestly say that I had my idea of what Tifa's voice sounded like... and Britt Baron absolutely destroyed that idea in the best way possible. Looking forward to getting some stuff signed at PAX West 2024. I only wish the entire cast was at that event...
@SiyamthandaQwabe-or7er21 күн бұрын
No
@tanagreeknose73765 күн бұрын
I'm afraid so.
@simoncss126 күн бұрын
6:53:45 No 1 has ever wondered y Seph toyed with Cloud by intentionally dropping the orb & askin Cloud to hand it back? Would be typically unnecessary & not make sense?
@tanagreeknose737621 күн бұрын
I thought about it and I was thinking that he was doing it to play with Cloud. To see if the puppet would follow his master.
@simoncss120 күн бұрын
@@tanagreeknose7376 (nods) did occur to me something to that effect - “Dance for me, puppet”, “Here, go fetch! Good doggy.” & Cloud very much obliges, so it’s another huge check mark on the checklist of “Cloud’s head is not right”. In case any1, for some reason (no reason?), still doubts it.
@0HOLSTER27 күн бұрын
I've tried staying out of the shipping war but after all the videos I've seen I have to say something that will pass off clarity shippers and I apologize ahead of time if this comment gets long. Clarity shippers are exactly like sephiroth. Sephiroth has a traumatic experience and he can't handle it so he builds a false personality based off what he knows at the time but later when he learns the truth he comes up with a whole new twisted personality perverted by his original messed up thinking and fails to see the point or true meaning of things. The first time clarity shippers play the game they get traumatized from aerials death and twist the narrative based off what they know at the time thinking she'll come back or something but then when they beat the game and realize she's not coming back they come up with a completely different narrative to suit the twisted story they had originally came up with and fail to see all the thematic reasons aerith needs to die and stay dead. It's literally written in the music that aerith dies and tifa and cloud get together. When you first play the game and hear aeriths theme it sounds hopeful but sad as well and it doesn't make sense why until she dies and then it makes sense. Nobuo uematsu was told what happens to every character so he wrote each characters music to reflect them as a character and their journey through the story. I bring up the music vecause I watched videos analyzing the music and it said all that about aeriths song analyzing why nobody chose each individual note. With tifas song he called it home and the whole song is actually a musical representation of cloud and tifas story. It was written with what's called a home key where you start and withe same note but he changes this to fit the song. There's two instruments one to represent cloud and one for tifa and the song starts with both on the same note but instead of coming back to the same note they always play a note that sounds like the original but isn't and it's not till the end of her song that both instruments finally play the same original note. It's leaxactly like how cloud and tifa are constantly trying to come together but just when you think they will something happens drive a new wedge between them and its not till the end that they finally come together. I'd love to see clarity shippers argue that.
@MukationАй бұрын
Many miss it but Cloud in his puppet state says he loves Tifa.
@MukationАй бұрын
FF7 is a game with plot twist after plot twist. Shinra isn't the main villain lf the game. Cloud isn't a SOLDIER, Cloud and Tifa weren't close as children (Remake retconned them to having been close at some point prior to Tifas moms died, though so maybe when they were 4-5?). Something that recently dawned on me is the plot twist that Aerith isn't the main love interest.... went over my head? There never was a "both". He wasn't himself during the time he knew Aerith, sure she became close to him in that short time but yeah, she wasn't Tifa. When Tifa restores his memories in LS, we see that he was in love with her as a child and attempted to join SOLDIER just to get her attention, he killed Sephiroth in rage for murdering his mother, burning his village and almost killing Tifa. The final plot twist. Tifa is the love interest.
@GabrielParrАй бұрын
Not Budism, it's wokism and Nomurism
@ericstaples72209 күн бұрын
It is Buddism. Game isn't remotely woke.
@MukationАй бұрын
Loved your video, i apologise for this long rant here :D I agree with you wholeheartedly. Ok, so in the self containted story in OG VII you don't even know if Cloud and Tifa survive the meteor impact, we don't even see the Meteor being stopped completly from impact, the only thing we see is that Red survived in the flashforward, hinting at that atleast the gang on the Highwind survived and that the world is healing. So back then a player who favoured Aerith were free to assume that Cloud and Tifa died and the two reunited with all loved ones in the afterlife, including Aerith. There was no confirmation whatsoever. So in that context it was completly up to the players imagination. But by the time the devs decided to expand the story, they picked a path: And that path was that Cloud and Tifa survived, built a home, two businesses and adopted a son, with Marlene occasionally staying there as Barret is away at work (since Tifa consider herself Marlenes mother aswell). That's the path they chose. Even if you "think" that he would have chosen to pursue Aerith in OG had she survived, she didn't and he moved on with his life with the woman he has known all his life and loved all his life. Then add the expansion of Zacks backstory. In OG it's hinted that he wasn't perhaps as into Aerith as Aerith was into him, but it was left unresolved and by the time the developers decided to tell his story, they again picked a path: That Zack very much loved Aerith. Even making his death be him knowingly taking the risk of dying, just so he could see her. All of this is now incorporated in the Remake trilogy and that is also why i could very much tell that while Remake was _much_ more ambigous in the relationships between Cloud and the girls, Rebirth wasn't. In Remake Cloud and Aerith bond, banter and grow very close, very fast. He starts out finding her nothing but annoying, but then as they travel the roof tops, they slowly start bantering and by the time you get to her house, he tells her flowers that they should learn to talk to her. Not to mention that he could have ditched her at any point after getting to the sector 5 slums, as it was her home. And as she catches him sneaking out at night, he again _could_ have simply told her to take the hint and leave him alone, but he didn't, hinting at the fact that he does warm up to her. And the same can be said with Tifa, they reconnect, they get know eachother again, banter and showcases great concern for eachother. But in Rebirth..... Cloud and Tifas relationship goes through several stages, it's challanged by the fight Sephiroth influences him to pick with her in Kalm, as she storms off devestated. (And funny enough, here comes the friendship bond he built with Aeirth in Remake and plays it's role: She clearly asked him to climb the tower with her, for the purpose of getting him alone so she could remind him to not take Tifa for granted. She is acting like a friend for both of them.) In Junon the fight is resolved by Cloud apologising (the scene also starts with Tifa being on her way to find him to, she obviously wanted to make up aswell) and then _Cloud_ is the one who shows initiative in working on their relationship as he is the one who tells her thay they will "find time to talk, just the two of us. Figure things out". And again as you mention, then it culminates in an almost kiss in Gongaga, but the bond keeps growing, he shows care for her in Nibelheim as she sees a dead body at the same spot her father died, she hyperventilates, panics and almost immedatly calms down by Cloud simply putting his hand on her and saying her name. Then all the way through the temple of the ancients, Tifa is again the only one noticing Clouds odd behaviour. No one else does. And all of these scenes are 100% non optional, you get them regardless of the decisions you make. Now on to Cloud and Aerith. Were are their challanges their "situationship" goes through in Rebirth and were are their important conversations regarding the topic of "them"? They simply do not evolve beyond the friendship they built in Remake. Atleast not on Clouds part (since Aeriths intentions were quite clear from the get go). There are no challanges, no missunderstandings, no point were their relationship temporarily is damaged, then built back up again stronger than before etc. Like the examples of how the story between Cloud and Tifa evolves throughout Rebirth. And the only conversations that deals with them is stuck behind the optional date (the devs claim all/none are canon, just a reflection of Clouds relationship with them and yeah, he only kissed one girl there) and within the Dream date that has two versions, dependant on an affinity system were Cloud ultimatley deflects and does not engage in the conversation Aerith was trying to have. Not to mention that..... the "dream date" is skippable if you choose to omit *Zacks* story line on replays.... Odd isn't it? Almost like a hint? And speaking of Zack, why is he there? The guy who's sole desire is to reunite with Aerith? Did the deves include him just so he can give Cloud his blessing for Aeriths hand or is he there to eventually reunite with her? Like, what's more likley? Lol :P If the intention was to keep the love triangle alive and for them to grow aswell, why not have Cloud maybe get angry at her as he realises that he reminds her of her ex? Maybe Cloud could have been depicted as feeling "used" by her and the tension could have been resolved by more or less the same dialouge that was used in her date? Were she acknowledges that yes, he shares some traits that reminded her of him, but that Cloud is also very different from him and that she wants to get to know Cloud for Cloud. Maybe even ended the scene with Cloud jokingly introducing himself to her and she plays along, so the players can tell that "oh, their bond is now deeper", just as we could see happening with him and Tifa. It really dawned on me after a couple of playthroughs that no, the supposed Love triangle is already solved. It's been solved for years. It's Tifa. Sure, who knows, in pt 3 they might pull the rug on us and delve deep into Cloud realising the deep feelings he had for Aerith etc, i don't know, but i just don't see the set up for it. Especially not since they included Zack in the game. End of rant :D
@ChoompaLoompa1985-uw8lwАй бұрын
Stop treating Cloud like an autistic character, lol. You get a choice in the game for a reason. Go with Tifa, kiss, go with Aerith, cross fingers...To most Cloti moments there's a more or less equal amount of Clerith moments that slightly differ in their grander meaning, but all equally telling of a deep romantic interest based on the players choice. You're talking about what the writers wanted to say, are you kidding me? You understand the game was designed to be ambivalent and neutral about a lot of things in order to not flop immediately right? They put in more than one love interest on purpose. And what is it about people having ship wars with the only two other contenders being dead...it's like, yeah. Cloud and Tifa apocalypse survivors so naturally they're canon...lol.
@tanagreeknose7376Ай бұрын
Woa woa woa... who said anything about Cloud being autistic? And there's nothing neutral and ambivalent about kissing one character but not kissing another. You can't get less neutral than that.
@ChoompaLoompa1985-uw8lwАй бұрын
@@tanagreeknose7376 You get this choice, if so your heart desires. You can also ignore Tifa completely. By autistic I mean fans who ignore Cloud's choices in the game, especially in the beginning when he takes his first steps as the main character, with an individual compass. It's also mega annoying when people selectively assume that his lived out fantasy isn't a primary expression of his character development. People talk about canon..There is nothing more canon about Cloud than making choices and living with the consequences of making some bad ones. That's part of his hero's journey. If you lump in Clerith with the works, considering how many heartfelt moments they shared then it also clicks because he ultimately feels responsible for her death. But to claim his only love interest is Tifa, unwaveringly from the beginning is smothering the character and reducing him to being this beloved special needs boy, with Tifa volunteering to be his endearing caretaker. Like Forest Gump and Jenny. If Aerith and Tifa were swapped, this scenario would've actually worked better.
@tanagreeknose7376Ай бұрын
@@ChoompaLoompa1985-uw8lw It's definitely a gameplay choice, but it's also a choice that Cloud makes as a result of the majority of players getting Tifa's affection wheel to max. We don't make him kiss her, we just unlock the scenario that allows us to see how Cloud acts with her specific character. Cloud definitely feels responsible for Aerith's death as he was right there, but as we see in Advent Children and subsequent official materials, he's dealing with PTSD and the fact that he's dying from Geostigma. He also feels responsible for Zack's death. But Zack and Aerith are described as cherished friends, who also acknowledge that he doesn't "belong" in the white space with them, but with the living, his family, and the children. Tifa and Cloud function as Denzel and Marlene's adoptive family. There's nothing weird about Cloud having one very specific love interest from beginning to end. Romance can be a major motivator. Nojima literally described it to you in "2000 gil". I didn't make this stuff up. He's not a special needs boy, he's a young man in love. It's a normal thing.
@ChoompaLoompa1985-uw8lwАй бұрын
@@tanagreeknose7376 Actually the default option on the skywheel is Aerith, triggered by either maxing her out or averaging the stats. Yeah, Cloud is dying from Geostigma, which means his flashbacks and migraines didn't stop. He is still suffering, searching and hoping. He's sleeping in the church where he first met Aerith. The song 'Hollow' is Cloud's ode to the woman who came into his life as abruptly as she left, touched his heart in a way no one ever has and left behind a mixture of painful memories. Her life story, her ability to see and know things beyond the senses enchanted Cloud and made him want to stay close to her no matter what. His feelings for her are real. We know this because of his empathic responses to her hidden anguish, which hardly anyone manages to notice. His probing curiousity, though partly prompted by the false context of his imaginary world is gently nudging her to be candid with him, holding nothing back, as she's approaching the realisation that their time together is short. She goes on two dates with him. One on the Skywheel, the other in her dream. There is no Zack in the picture, Sephiroth is after her, and she chooses to help Cloud, because he is more important. To the story, to us, to her. Cloud's feelings for Aerith are unrelated to his feelings towards his childhood crush. He's messed up for most of the game and there's no reason to assume his canon choices in the game should necessarily favor Tifa. He distances himself from her on multiple occasions, specifically in Kalm after she accuses him of not being there for her 5 years ago. She wasn't there for him either until he showed up sick in Midgar for which he is grateful, but still...you have the option to not apologise for it.
@simoncss1Ай бұрын
2:39:30 “It’s funny watching Tifa be a… uhm like a mage” But can’t deny, with her loveliness & grace, tis Princess Rosa get-up lends her a really convincing high priestess vibe, no? Prob my favorit among her official in-game costume options🥰 & Barret’s John Bentley should receive an Oscars fer his incomparable performance here👏 👏 👏
@simoncss1Ай бұрын
Right. Suspected a little before & was confirmed with Tana’s own words (during FF7 Rebirth streams) that you’re not straight. I’m cis but quite early in my work life, I’ve had the honor to haf a jolly & openly gay fella for my colleague. His personality & interactions really opened my heart to see that queer folks r (with regards to life in general) very much like the rest of us straight folks. Grew up in a mainly Asian & generally conservative atmosphere, with silly youngsters spouting off “gay” & other pejoratives, as convenient insult slang. Glad that my part of the world seems to b opening up to “different” folks s time goes by (though prob not fast enough). I believe that for any individual, they should b free to pursue their own interests, preferences, live out their own lives however they please, so long s they’r not directly harming nor hindering others. We should do well to also keep this in mind for all manners of “different” (gender, colors, social class, ability/disability, etc etc), cos at the end of the day, every1 is plainly jus different, unique & lovely in their own right. Hope for everyone to live & let live. And a very happy Pride Month to 1 & All!
@tanagreeknose7376Ай бұрын
Hahaha! Astute! And I'm glad that you have had the experience being around gay people and realizing that they are not much different from someone who categorizes themselves as straight. It doesn't seem that long ago that pejorative words were used willy-nilly as well, as it was more 'acceptable'. Nowadays, people at least know better and think twice before using such terms. Thanks for the love on the video!
@rafaelatrog3366Ай бұрын
Great video, never stop making them ❤
@tanagreeknose7376Ай бұрын
Aww what a sweet comment! You can bet I won't stop!
@RiaAlexandersАй бұрын
Happy Pride, gorgeous!!!! 🎉🎉🎉
@tanagreeknose7376Ай бұрын
Back at you! 🎉😊
@Batman_456Ай бұрын
6:05 till the end, BIG FACTS! 😊
@tanagreeknose737628 күн бұрын
Thank you!
@gungnir382Ай бұрын
I like the Video but as always i don't want to Spoiler myself :D Is Citrus +06 Manga avaible yet to buy?
@tanagreeknose7376Ай бұрын
It's slated to come out this month in Japan actually! 🎉
@gungnir382Ай бұрын
Cool finaly
@charlesbrown1570Ай бұрын
Love the video
@tanagreeknose7376Ай бұрын
Thank you Charles 😊
@solbunnyАй бұрын
KrisPNatz and Tana updating for Pride Month !?! Yes! °˖✧◝(⁰▿⁰)◜✧˖° I need to catch-up on Citrus but I have so much back-log of comics to read, dramas/anime to watch, and fanfics to read. (*꒦ິ꒳꒦ີ) (*꒦ິ꒳꒦ີ) I am currently reading Omega Heroine Wants Her Alpha Villainess on Tapas, its so cute .+｡ﾟφ(ゝω・｀○)+｡ﾟ
@tanagreeknose7376Ай бұрын
I had to look the other user up! Hahaha a BL enthusiast, nice! So many creators to discover! And as for your latest recommendation, I hadn't heard of that one yet! It's probably because there's such a wealth of GL coming out now. It's honestly awesome. I can't seem to keep up. 🙈 Meanwhile, I stay waiting earnestly on more Citrus. Lmao! Thank you as always, really appreciate you 🥲
@evanu7Ай бұрын
such a cute manga hahah
@tanagreeknose7376Ай бұрын
It's the cutest tbh!
@bigred19705Ай бұрын
wooooohooooo
@bigred19705Ай бұрын
hey hey girly! thanks, for all that you do. really needed all that help- you are a lifesaver!
@Someone28022Ай бұрын
Happy Pride Month! 🏳️🌈
@ChoompaLoompa1985-uw8lwАй бұрын
Screw ultimania...Square have been trying to tie things with the compilation series..,understandable. This isn't how people or relationships work, not in fiction, nor real life..."She was looking for traces of Zack in Cloud...lol, what a cashout". Infantilizing the characters is a horrible idea...It would be one thing to claim that there was something in the making that simply didn't work out, but to say that Cloti was always canon, even before AC hit the screens is pushing it. For every hot blooded mammal human, Clerith was born the second he fell through the roof of her church and we first heard Aerith's theme play. It's not that as fans we didn't project what we wanted to see on Cloud, it's that the game was designed this way on purpose by the creators, as so long as we all agree that their final word counts more than ours we must at least acknowledge that. Whatever Cloud x Aerith had between them, from flirting to holding hands to having fun together to almost kissing, these were all special moments that only the two of them had... Aerith didn't dress Zack up in girl clothes, didn't go to the Gold Saucer with Zack, didn't have a roastout with Zack, Zack never told Aerith "worry about the future when it comes, but whatever you decide, I'm with you". It's hilarious when Clotis call Cleriths immature. It's Final Fantasy for Christ's sake...aside from becoming a commercial cesspool of toxicity, there's just this thing when you want to play a game and not have people tell you what you what about it is realistic and what isn't.
@tanagreeknose7376Ай бұрын
I don't really think that we should be saying "screw Ultimania" as they are the official data books to the games, and creator-approved. If we can't go to them for answers, then all hope is lost. I also don't think it's infantilizing the characters to say that Aerith was searching for the traces of Zack in Cloud as it gives context to the biggest plot twist in the game. Furthermore, these characters ARE in their early 20s, so it makes sense that they can be a little lost. Cloud had various personas inside of him throughout the duration of the game; Rebirth makes this even clearer. Everything you stated that Cloud and Aerith shared together can be shared between friends, but Cloud explicitly kisses Tifa because he chose to. True Cloud comes to the surface with her. I think you can ship what you want. You can ship Cloud with Sephiroth for all I care. But there's a narrative that the creators are sticking to and I stand by that.
@ChoompaLoompa1985-uw8lwАй бұрын
@@tanagreeknose7376 I also stand by the narrative, the one that includes characters making choices that limit their uncertainty, give them closure and make them grow. I think Cloud realises Tifa is the right one for him gradually, but not before Aerith's death. I think it's absurd that all she thought about was Zack when spending time with Cloud because in the end she wanted to enjoy her final hours.., again not a very good treatment of her character because it puts her into this delusional make-belief bubble like Cloud...infantilizing. None of the romance in the game can happen just between friends...Barret and Cloud maybe, Cloud and Yuffies skywheel ride...sure. Not Clerith or Cloti.
@tanagreeknose7376Ай бұрын
@@ChoompaLoompa1985-uw8lw A big part of Aerith's character arc is her trying to move on from Zack, but never fully getting to do so as her young life was cut short. Aerith even says that she still misses him in Gongaga. That's huge and must not be ignored. It doesn't make her infantilized, it makes her a damaged human who never got to know what happened to her first love. She is given NO choice but to move on even though it's hard because of Cloud's multiple personality disorder and traces of Zack. Romantic transference is a thing. But Clerith was a friendship as they had never even kissed. They were never lovers as they never made love as Cloud and Tifa do in disc 3. Cloud and Aerith was always one-sided. After her death, she is always grouped in with Zack as a friend whom Cloud cherished. Cloud was never really into her even though Aerith came off strong. A big thing in Rebirth too is we are shown that Cloud REMEMBERS who Zack is and that he was crazy about Aerith. Why put that in if Cloud was going to steal his former brother-in-arms' girl? It doesn't make sense from a narrative perspective.
@lynefrances726Ай бұрын
For the Aerith fans who hold on to relationship affinitie. It's been clearly mentioned in an interview with the creators and the actual help section that relationship affinity represents how characters feel about Cloud. It has nothing to do with how Cloud feels about any of them. The thought of Cloud taking up with his BFFs G.F, after he died to save Cloud is just so bad taste it's disturbing
@theshenamiАй бұрын
@TanaGreekNose, I did a playthrough of Chapter 14 in Spanish with the hope that it would clear up some of the confusion I had with the English localization, and came across this spicy tidbit regarding the difference in both tone and severity from the Sector 5 photographer quote that you brought up. In English he said "you don't look like you're on a date, more like at a funeral" and then says something like "have fun while you still can" when Aerith rebuffs his funeral remarks. The Spanish turns out to be WAY more brutal, where it instead translates as "don't you think you make a bad couple? She looks like she's about to cry", and in response to Aerith's protest he says "you don't have chemistry, period". It's just so much more savage than the English version and clearer too. Would love to hear your thoughts on this poor English localization.
@tanagreeknose7376Ай бұрын
That translation is brutal! As of right now I'm not sure how accurate it is to the Japanese but from what I've seen of the Italian one that was more loyal to the Japanese, the Spanish one might be getting across the intended message more accurately as well given that the European languages take their cues directly from the Japanese.
@theshenamiАй бұрын
@@tanagreeknose7376 Got it, thanks. I also did both low and high affection church scenes in Spanish, and the nakama thing comes up in the former. Instead of the whole "next time" exchange, she says "that's because we have few memories together", and he responds "we will make more over time". When Aerith asks her "next time" question in response (in Spanish it's "is that what you want"), he says "eso hacen los amigos, no", which translates to "that's what friends do". High affection version he just says, "yeah, definitely". Based on that, my guess is the Spanish (Castellano dialect) is reflective of the Japanese dialogue, since he calls her a friend either way in the low affection version.
@lynefrances726Ай бұрын
Just putting it out there. The affection score is how the character feels about Cloud. Not how he feels about the character. It's in the about description in the actual game written and stated by the creators. Aerith belongs with Zack. I believe they brought him back to life in another dimension to end the distraction from the real story the creators envisioned. They also made Aerith very pushy and annoying. Just what a guy with a messed up head definitely doesn't need. Aerith will absolutely be with Zack in the next game to end this annoying war that takes away what FF7s story represents
@tanagreeknose7376Ай бұрын
A great point that can often be overlooked. You filling up the affection bars has more to do with the player than Cloud even if we are playing through Cloud's eyes. As mentioned again and again, we see through Cloud's eyes how he views each character as the culmination of the affection scenario, but the different characters are the ones who allow you to experience that scenario by rewarding you with it.
@lynefrances726Ай бұрын
@@tanagreeknose7376 I just popped up on my feed. I love your take on the game. Awesome perspective. I never played the OG so all very interesting. I think I wrote this post elsewhere also. I'm just trying to enjoy the story. Love from Australia 🇦🇺
@tanagreeknose7376Ай бұрын
@@lynefrances726 Thank you! You'll love the original game! I definitely recommend playing it before part 3 as it will make you even more excited for what's to come. 🙌
@lynefrances726Ай бұрын
@tanagreeknose7376 I didn't know I could get it on PS5. I'll look when I get home from work. I'll be incredibly excited if I can. Especially waiting for part 3. I've always been aware of FF games but thought they were just fighting games with no story so ignored them. Saw FF7 for free download so thought I'd take a look. I nearly deleted it at Clouds first fight after jumping off the train because for the life of me I couldn't work out how to fight. Not one button worked for me. Deleted it x3 and decided to try one more time because naturally after downloading it videos started popping up. Thanks Big Brother. I'm Blonde, that's my excuse for being dumb, I didn't realise I had to press the option button to close the hint screen to get to game play. I was still a bit undecided until Cloud told Barrett to get help in the elevator with Jesse. I love anything that makes me laugh so stuck it out. By the time they got back to 7th Heaven I was hooked. I deleted the free game and paid for the 3 in one with Crisis Core and Interlude. I've played hundreds of games but this is my absolute favourite. Before this I was stuck between Witcher 3 and God of War 3. I know I write a lot, be grateful I'm in Oz, I talk more. Love your work and thanks for your suggestion I'll definitely follow up. You Rock
@tanagreeknose7376Ай бұрын
@@lynefrances726 Hahaha thanks so much for the love and I hope you have a blast with FF7. There's a reason it spawned a new trilogy. I love action games and RPGs so I can definitely see the appeal of God of War. I was always more a Devil May Cry person since I had never gotten to play God of War back then but can definitely see why it's so beloved.
@simoncss1Ай бұрын
Thought to leav some music-related notes here since Tana ended with some ivory-tickling. Jus before tis piano-jamming, somehow, I was listenin to reruns of Aerith’s theme quite a few more times than usual. How fortuitous! Wow, a simple violin accompaniment to piano rendition of Aerith’s, brought on the tingly up the nose. Xperienced much similar with her theme (especially orchestral version) when it’s played on the sadder cutscenes, cos we know, she goes. Really feel for her. BUT my go-to favorite listen, has always been Tifa’s. While it has never ever watered my eyes on any occasion, the home-coming, the heart-at-ease will always pull me back. It’s also the FF7 theme that works with the most number of instrumentation for me - orchestral (Enix’s “Star of 7th Heaven”, I believe? The piano, the flutes & violins 1 after another, then intertwining… awh… chef’s kiss), piano & guitar (try John Oeth’s). Other pieces that really caught my ear - On Our Way (theme of Kalm town, cos it’s really calming too), Cloud Smiles, Jessie’s theme.
@k4g7Ай бұрын
my thing is why do a whole multiverse if the core story is just gonna stay the same? why hype the "defy fate" shtick if aerith is still gonna kick the bucket? i can accept aerith dying(though it was hard to) but my problem with this game is that they give you a false hope that you can change things and ultimately just playing with our emotions....hopefully all of this comes full circle in part 3 in a meaningful way, but as of right now the multiverse/worlds just seems pointless
@jthecryptidАй бұрын
The problem is ppl still think this is a multiverse. It's not. This isn't Marvel/DC. We're talking about a metaphysical/spiritual layer of FF7's reality that is tied to memories, dreams, death, and ultimately the Lifestream. It always goes back to the Lifestream. It is a collective unconscious that does not distinguish between real memories and fantasies. It can create temporary pocket worlds based on your memories and emotions (Aerith's dream date, OG Cloud's Lifestream scene), and, thanks to the "merging of worlds" Cloud is now stuck in between reality and a temporary Lifestream world where Aerith lived. Notice that only Cloud sees the cracked sky, the same cracked sky from the OG Lifestream sequence.
@tanagreeknose7376Ай бұрын
@@jthecryptid This is a great explanation of it!
@SV-js6nwАй бұрын
The real Sepjirot died in CC, Remake and Rebirth Sephirot is Jenova in disguise
@simoncss1Ай бұрын
Some nice discussions whilst mountain-climbin around Nibel. Is conceivable by preferenc of personality, some folks might resonate better with characters very different from Tifa. But I can’t quite wrap my head round y the need to h-a-t-e & speak so much ill of Tifa, who’s jus the kindest & sweetest. I’d trade a fortune (if I had) for a person like that by my side, cos the world is jus a crazy 1 & is often cold + cruel. My very simple line of thought is that these folks r plain vindictiv to decent, kind people -> very much, in their core, they r NOT decent, kind folks… Mmmm, unfortunately, to top it off, frequently liars (to self & the masses) too
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Lol aww come on live a little 😂
I like your Citrus shirt with the pop of hot pink!
Thanks! It's my fave!
Im so happy for you and all the Happy Cat CITRUS fans!😊
Yaaaay!
awesomeness! love the reaction. cute glasses by the way.
Thanks! They certainly give off a different feel.
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@@charlesbrown1570 It's a great item!
2:48 "There's a part of me that didn't want to be too mean to Aerith...." I can relate. When they go to Nibelheim and Cloud and Aerith climb the water tower and talk, one of the replies Cloud can give, "That's not funny", felt so curt even for Cloud that I felt bad for Aerith cause I know what it feels like to have something I say get taken out of context and thrown in my face.
@@renegade637 LOL. They have a weird dynamic going on.
so that's why the story was confusing... in the original game, Buddhism was not that deep attached to the story. I'm Muslim, and we have our religion & believe. So, in the end the result I will pass part 3 of the game.😐✋️
@@alirelax8761 But it was. It always was. Sakaguchi was inspired to add the theme of life in even more when his mother died. Hence, Aerith's death.
❤Cloud and Tifa❤ since 1997 - peace and out 😎✌🏼
I really enjoyed this analysis. I also found it to be very in line with both eastern philosophy and Jungian thought. I actually played this game during my own recovery from psychosis trauma and loss, and it was incredibly cathartic for me. The fact it can feel convoluted and messy really just added more resonance to me because life does feel like that sometimes. No matter how much we try to reduce things (to duality or non-dual) it is often still so complex and colourful.. I look forward to watching more of your stuff. That was a delight to listen to and watch.
@@thefluxparadox Wow! This comment means a lot, thanks for sharing your feedback and some of your own journey. I'll make sure to keep working hard because of those such as yourself who resonate with these types of videos.
Also Tana, how do you feel about the Cleriths claiming that this Gongaga scene (near kiss) is Tifa taking advantage of a vulnerable Cloud. 🫣
I think it's very odd. We cannot control how people perceive certain things, but all we can do is be grateful and appreciative of what's to come in part 3!
It's obvious cope.
@@tanagreeknose7376 I literally ended up having a ‘discussion’ with some CAs & all they hung onto was that the Gongaga scene is Tifa taking advantage of a vulnerable Cloud & the GS kiss is fan service. It’s so crazy to me. Thank you for replying Tana! 🤍
Love this! 🤍
For a fan since 1997, I can honestly say that I had my idea of what Tifa's voice sounded like... and Britt Baron absolutely destroyed that idea in the best way possible. Looking forward to getting some stuff signed at PAX West 2024. I only wish the entire cast was at that event...
No
I'm afraid so.
6:53:45 No 1 has ever wondered y Seph toyed with Cloud by intentionally dropping the orb & askin Cloud to hand it back? Would be typically unnecessary & not make sense?
I thought about it and I was thinking that he was doing it to play with Cloud. To see if the puppet would follow his master.
@@tanagreeknose7376 (nods) did occur to me something to that effect - “Dance for me, puppet”, “Here, go fetch! Good doggy.” & Cloud very much obliges, so it’s another huge check mark on the checklist of “Cloud’s head is not right”. In case any1, for some reason (no reason?), still doubts it.
I've tried staying out of the shipping war but after all the videos I've seen I have to say something that will pass off clarity shippers and I apologize ahead of time if this comment gets long. Clarity shippers are exactly like sephiroth. Sephiroth has a traumatic experience and he can't handle it so he builds a false personality based off what he knows at the time but later when he learns the truth he comes up with a whole new twisted personality perverted by his original messed up thinking and fails to see the point or true meaning of things. The first time clarity shippers play the game they get traumatized from aerials death and twist the narrative based off what they know at the time thinking she'll come back or something but then when they beat the game and realize she's not coming back they come up with a completely different narrative to suit the twisted story they had originally came up with and fail to see all the thematic reasons aerith needs to die and stay dead. It's literally written in the music that aerith dies and tifa and cloud get together. When you first play the game and hear aeriths theme it sounds hopeful but sad as well and it doesn't make sense why until she dies and then it makes sense. Nobuo uematsu was told what happens to every character so he wrote each characters music to reflect them as a character and their journey through the story. I bring up the music vecause I watched videos analyzing the music and it said all that about aeriths song analyzing why nobody chose each individual note. With tifas song he called it home and the whole song is actually a musical representation of cloud and tifas story. It was written with what's called a home key where you start and withe same note but he changes this to fit the song. There's two instruments one to represent cloud and one for tifa and the song starts with both on the same note but instead of coming back to the same note they always play a note that sounds like the original but isn't and it's not till the end of her song that both instruments finally play the same original note. It's leaxactly like how cloud and tifa are constantly trying to come together but just when you think they will something happens drive a new wedge between them and its not till the end that they finally come together. I'd love to see clarity shippers argue that.
Many miss it but Cloud in his puppet state says he loves Tifa.
FF7 is a game with plot twist after plot twist. Shinra isn't the main villain lf the game. Cloud isn't a SOLDIER, Cloud and Tifa weren't close as children (Remake retconned them to having been close at some point prior to Tifas moms died, though so maybe when they were 4-5?). Something that recently dawned on me is the plot twist that Aerith isn't the main love interest.... went over my head? There never was a "both". He wasn't himself during the time he knew Aerith, sure she became close to him in that short time but yeah, she wasn't Tifa. When Tifa restores his memories in LS, we see that he was in love with her as a child and attempted to join SOLDIER just to get her attention, he killed Sephiroth in rage for murdering his mother, burning his village and almost killing Tifa. The final plot twist. Tifa is the love interest.
Not Budism, it's wokism and Nomurism
It is Buddism. Game isn't remotely woke.
Loved your video, i apologise for this long rant here :D I agree with you wholeheartedly. Ok, so in the self containted story in OG VII you don't even know if Cloud and Tifa survive the meteor impact, we don't even see the Meteor being stopped completly from impact, the only thing we see is that Red survived in the flashforward, hinting at that atleast the gang on the Highwind survived and that the world is healing. So back then a player who favoured Aerith were free to assume that Cloud and Tifa died and the two reunited with all loved ones in the afterlife, including Aerith. There was no confirmation whatsoever. So in that context it was completly up to the players imagination. But by the time the devs decided to expand the story, they picked a path: And that path was that Cloud and Tifa survived, built a home, two businesses and adopted a son, with Marlene occasionally staying there as Barret is away at work (since Tifa consider herself Marlenes mother aswell). That's the path they chose. Even if you "think" that he would have chosen to pursue Aerith in OG had she survived, she didn't and he moved on with his life with the woman he has known all his life and loved all his life. Then add the expansion of Zacks backstory. In OG it's hinted that he wasn't perhaps as into Aerith as Aerith was into him, but it was left unresolved and by the time the developers decided to tell his story, they again picked a path: That Zack very much loved Aerith. Even making his death be him knowingly taking the risk of dying, just so he could see her. All of this is now incorporated in the Remake trilogy and that is also why i could very much tell that while Remake was _much_ more ambigous in the relationships between Cloud and the girls, Rebirth wasn't. In Remake Cloud and Aerith bond, banter and grow very close, very fast. He starts out finding her nothing but annoying, but then as they travel the roof tops, they slowly start bantering and by the time you get to her house, he tells her flowers that they should learn to talk to her. Not to mention that he could have ditched her at any point after getting to the sector 5 slums, as it was her home. And as she catches him sneaking out at night, he again _could_ have simply told her to take the hint and leave him alone, but he didn't, hinting at the fact that he does warm up to her. And the same can be said with Tifa, they reconnect, they get know eachother again, banter and showcases great concern for eachother. But in Rebirth..... Cloud and Tifas relationship goes through several stages, it's challanged by the fight Sephiroth influences him to pick with her in Kalm, as she storms off devestated. (And funny enough, here comes the friendship bond he built with Aeirth in Remake and plays it's role: She clearly asked him to climb the tower with her, for the purpose of getting him alone so she could remind him to not take Tifa for granted. She is acting like a friend for both of them.) In Junon the fight is resolved by Cloud apologising (the scene also starts with Tifa being on her way to find him to, she obviously wanted to make up aswell) and then _Cloud_ is the one who shows initiative in working on their relationship as he is the one who tells her thay they will "find time to talk, just the two of us. Figure things out". And again as you mention, then it culminates in an almost kiss in Gongaga, but the bond keeps growing, he shows care for her in Nibelheim as she sees a dead body at the same spot her father died, she hyperventilates, panics and almost immedatly calms down by Cloud simply putting his hand on her and saying her name. Then all the way through the temple of the ancients, Tifa is again the only one noticing Clouds odd behaviour. No one else does. And all of these scenes are 100% non optional, you get them regardless of the decisions you make. Now on to Cloud and Aerith. Were are their challanges their "situationship" goes through in Rebirth and were are their important conversations regarding the topic of "them"? They simply do not evolve beyond the friendship they built in Remake. Atleast not on Clouds part (since Aeriths intentions were quite clear from the get go). There are no challanges, no missunderstandings, no point were their relationship temporarily is damaged, then built back up again stronger than before etc. Like the examples of how the story between Cloud and Tifa evolves throughout Rebirth. And the only conversations that deals with them is stuck behind the optional date (the devs claim all/none are canon, just a reflection of Clouds relationship with them and yeah, he only kissed one girl there) and within the Dream date that has two versions, dependant on an affinity system were Cloud ultimatley deflects and does not engage in the conversation Aerith was trying to have. Not to mention that..... the "dream date" is skippable if you choose to omit *Zacks* story line on replays.... Odd isn't it? Almost like a hint? And speaking of Zack, why is he there? The guy who's sole desire is to reunite with Aerith? Did the deves include him just so he can give Cloud his blessing for Aeriths hand or is he there to eventually reunite with her? Like, what's more likley? Lol :P If the intention was to keep the love triangle alive and for them to grow aswell, why not have Cloud maybe get angry at her as he realises that he reminds her of her ex? Maybe Cloud could have been depicted as feeling "used" by her and the tension could have been resolved by more or less the same dialouge that was used in her date? Were she acknowledges that yes, he shares some traits that reminded her of him, but that Cloud is also very different from him and that she wants to get to know Cloud for Cloud. Maybe even ended the scene with Cloud jokingly introducing himself to her and she plays along, so the players can tell that "oh, their bond is now deeper", just as we could see happening with him and Tifa. It really dawned on me after a couple of playthroughs that no, the supposed Love triangle is already solved. It's been solved for years. It's Tifa. Sure, who knows, in pt 3 they might pull the rug on us and delve deep into Cloud realising the deep feelings he had for Aerith etc, i don't know, but i just don't see the set up for it. Especially not since they included Zack in the game. End of rant :D
Stop treating Cloud like an autistic character, lol. You get a choice in the game for a reason. Go with Tifa, kiss, go with Aerith, cross fingers...To most Cloti moments there's a more or less equal amount of Clerith moments that slightly differ in their grander meaning, but all equally telling of a deep romantic interest based on the players choice. You're talking about what the writers wanted to say, are you kidding me? You understand the game was designed to be ambivalent and neutral about a lot of things in order to not flop immediately right? They put in more than one love interest on purpose. And what is it about people having ship wars with the only two other contenders being dead...it's like, yeah. Cloud and Tifa apocalypse survivors so naturally they're canon...lol.
Woa woa woa... who said anything about Cloud being autistic? And there's nothing neutral and ambivalent about kissing one character but not kissing another. You can't get less neutral than that.
@@tanagreeknose7376 You get this choice, if so your heart desires. You can also ignore Tifa completely. By autistic I mean fans who ignore Cloud's choices in the game, especially in the beginning when he takes his first steps as the main character, with an individual compass. It's also mega annoying when people selectively assume that his lived out fantasy isn't a primary expression of his character development. People talk about canon..There is nothing more canon about Cloud than making choices and living with the consequences of making some bad ones. That's part of his hero's journey. If you lump in Clerith with the works, considering how many heartfelt moments they shared then it also clicks because he ultimately feels responsible for her death. But to claim his only love interest is Tifa, unwaveringly from the beginning is smothering the character and reducing him to being this beloved special needs boy, with Tifa volunteering to be his endearing caretaker. Like Forest Gump and Jenny. If Aerith and Tifa were swapped, this scenario would've actually worked better.
@@ChoompaLoompa1985-uw8lw It's definitely a gameplay choice, but it's also a choice that Cloud makes as a result of the majority of players getting Tifa's affection wheel to max. We don't make him kiss her, we just unlock the scenario that allows us to see how Cloud acts with her specific character. Cloud definitely feels responsible for Aerith's death as he was right there, but as we see in Advent Children and subsequent official materials, he's dealing with PTSD and the fact that he's dying from Geostigma. He also feels responsible for Zack's death. But Zack and Aerith are described as cherished friends, who also acknowledge that he doesn't "belong" in the white space with them, but with the living, his family, and the children. Tifa and Cloud function as Denzel and Marlene's adoptive family. There's nothing weird about Cloud having one very specific love interest from beginning to end. Romance can be a major motivator. Nojima literally described it to you in "2000 gil". I didn't make this stuff up. He's not a special needs boy, he's a young man in love. It's a normal thing.
@@tanagreeknose7376 Actually the default option on the skywheel is Aerith, triggered by either maxing her out or averaging the stats. Yeah, Cloud is dying from Geostigma, which means his flashbacks and migraines didn't stop. He is still suffering, searching and hoping. He's sleeping in the church where he first met Aerith. The song 'Hollow' is Cloud's ode to the woman who came into his life as abruptly as she left, touched his heart in a way no one ever has and left behind a mixture of painful memories. Her life story, her ability to see and know things beyond the senses enchanted Cloud and made him want to stay close to her no matter what. His feelings for her are real. We know this because of his empathic responses to her hidden anguish, which hardly anyone manages to notice. His probing curiousity, though partly prompted by the false context of his imaginary world is gently nudging her to be candid with him, holding nothing back, as she's approaching the realisation that their time together is short. She goes on two dates with him. One on the Skywheel, the other in her dream. There is no Zack in the picture, Sephiroth is after her, and she chooses to help Cloud, because he is more important. To the story, to us, to her. Cloud's feelings for Aerith are unrelated to his feelings towards his childhood crush. He's messed up for most of the game and there's no reason to assume his canon choices in the game should necessarily favor Tifa. He distances himself from her on multiple occasions, specifically in Kalm after she accuses him of not being there for her 5 years ago. She wasn't there for him either until he showed up sick in Midgar for which he is grateful, but still...you have the option to not apologise for it.
2:39:30 “It’s funny watching Tifa be a… uhm like a mage” But can’t deny, with her loveliness & grace, tis Princess Rosa get-up lends her a really convincing high priestess vibe, no? Prob my favorit among her official in-game costume options🥰 & Barret’s John Bentley should receive an Oscars fer his incomparable performance here👏 👏 👏
Right. Suspected a little before & was confirmed with Tana’s own words (during FF7 Rebirth streams) that you’re not straight. I’m cis but quite early in my work life, I’ve had the honor to haf a jolly & openly gay fella for my colleague. His personality & interactions really opened my heart to see that queer folks r (with regards to life in general) very much like the rest of us straight folks. Grew up in a mainly Asian & generally conservative atmosphere, with silly youngsters spouting off “gay” & other pejoratives, as convenient insult slang. Glad that my part of the world seems to b opening up to “different” folks s time goes by (though prob not fast enough). I believe that for any individual, they should b free to pursue their own interests, preferences, live out their own lives however they please, so long s they’r not directly harming nor hindering others. We should do well to also keep this in mind for all manners of “different” (gender, colors, social class, ability/disability, etc etc), cos at the end of the day, every1 is plainly jus different, unique & lovely in their own right. Hope for everyone to live & let live. And a very happy Pride Month to 1 & All!
Hahaha! Astute! And I'm glad that you have had the experience being around gay people and realizing that they are not much different from someone who categorizes themselves as straight. It doesn't seem that long ago that pejorative words were used willy-nilly as well, as it was more 'acceptable'. Nowadays, people at least know better and think twice before using such terms. Thanks for the love on the video!
Great video, never stop making them ❤
Aww what a sweet comment! You can bet I won't stop!
Happy Pride, gorgeous!!!! 🎉🎉🎉
Back at you! 🎉😊
6:05 till the end, BIG FACTS! 😊
Thank you!
I like the Video but as always i don't want to Spoiler myself :D Is Citrus +06 Manga avaible yet to buy?
It's slated to come out this month in Japan actually! 🎉
Cool finaly
Love the video
Thank you Charles 😊
KrisPNatz and Tana updating for Pride Month !?! Yes! °˖✧◝(⁰▿⁰)◜✧˖° I need to catch-up on Citrus but I have so much back-log of comics to read, dramas/anime to watch, and fanfics to read. (*꒦ິ꒳꒦ີ) (*꒦ິ꒳꒦ີ) I am currently reading Omega Heroine Wants Her Alpha Villainess on Tapas, its so cute .+｡ﾟφ(ゝω・｀○)+｡ﾟ
I had to look the other user up! Hahaha a BL enthusiast, nice! So many creators to discover! And as for your latest recommendation, I hadn't heard of that one yet! It's probably because there's such a wealth of GL coming out now. It's honestly awesome. I can't seem to keep up. 🙈 Meanwhile, I stay waiting earnestly on more Citrus. Lmao! Thank you as always, really appreciate you 🥲
such a cute manga hahah
It's the cutest tbh!
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hey hey girly! thanks, for all that you do. really needed all that help- you are a lifesaver!
Happy Pride Month! 🏳️🌈
Screw ultimania...Square have been trying to tie things with the compilation series..,understandable. This isn't how people or relationships work, not in fiction, nor real life..."She was looking for traces of Zack in Cloud...lol, what a cashout". Infantilizing the characters is a horrible idea...It would be one thing to claim that there was something in the making that simply didn't work out, but to say that Cloti was always canon, even before AC hit the screens is pushing it. For every hot blooded mammal human, Clerith was born the second he fell through the roof of her church and we first heard Aerith's theme play. It's not that as fans we didn't project what we wanted to see on Cloud, it's that the game was designed this way on purpose by the creators, as so long as we all agree that their final word counts more than ours we must at least acknowledge that. Whatever Cloud x Aerith had between them, from flirting to holding hands to having fun together to almost kissing, these were all special moments that only the two of them had... Aerith didn't dress Zack up in girl clothes, didn't go to the Gold Saucer with Zack, didn't have a roastout with Zack, Zack never told Aerith "worry about the future when it comes, but whatever you decide, I'm with you". It's hilarious when Clotis call Cleriths immature. It's Final Fantasy for Christ's sake...aside from becoming a commercial cesspool of toxicity, there's just this thing when you want to play a game and not have people tell you what you what about it is realistic and what isn't.
I don't really think that we should be saying "screw Ultimania" as they are the official data books to the games, and creator-approved. If we can't go to them for answers, then all hope is lost. I also don't think it's infantilizing the characters to say that Aerith was searching for the traces of Zack in Cloud as it gives context to the biggest plot twist in the game. Furthermore, these characters ARE in their early 20s, so it makes sense that they can be a little lost. Cloud had various personas inside of him throughout the duration of the game; Rebirth makes this even clearer. Everything you stated that Cloud and Aerith shared together can be shared between friends, but Cloud explicitly kisses Tifa because he chose to. True Cloud comes to the surface with her. I think you can ship what you want. You can ship Cloud with Sephiroth for all I care. But there's a narrative that the creators are sticking to and I stand by that.
@@tanagreeknose7376 I also stand by the narrative, the one that includes characters making choices that limit their uncertainty, give them closure and make them grow. I think Cloud realises Tifa is the right one for him gradually, but not before Aerith's death. I think it's absurd that all she thought about was Zack when spending time with Cloud because in the end she wanted to enjoy her final hours.., again not a very good treatment of her character because it puts her into this delusional make-belief bubble like Cloud...infantilizing. None of the romance in the game can happen just between friends...Barret and Cloud maybe, Cloud and Yuffies skywheel ride...sure. Not Clerith or Cloti.
@@ChoompaLoompa1985-uw8lw A big part of Aerith's character arc is her trying to move on from Zack, but never fully getting to do so as her young life was cut short. Aerith even says that she still misses him in Gongaga. That's huge and must not be ignored. It doesn't make her infantilized, it makes her a damaged human who never got to know what happened to her first love. She is given NO choice but to move on even though it's hard because of Cloud's multiple personality disorder and traces of Zack. Romantic transference is a thing. But Clerith was a friendship as they had never even kissed. They were never lovers as they never made love as Cloud and Tifa do in disc 3. Cloud and Aerith was always one-sided. After her death, she is always grouped in with Zack as a friend whom Cloud cherished. Cloud was never really into her even though Aerith came off strong. A big thing in Rebirth too is we are shown that Cloud REMEMBERS who Zack is and that he was crazy about Aerith. Why put that in if Cloud was going to steal his former brother-in-arms' girl? It doesn't make sense from a narrative perspective.
For the Aerith fans who hold on to relationship affinitie. It's been clearly mentioned in an interview with the creators and the actual help section that relationship affinity represents how characters feel about Cloud. It has nothing to do with how Cloud feels about any of them. The thought of Cloud taking up with his BFFs G.F, after he died to save Cloud is just so bad taste it's disturbing
@TanaGreekNose, I did a playthrough of Chapter 14 in Spanish with the hope that it would clear up some of the confusion I had with the English localization, and came across this spicy tidbit regarding the difference in both tone and severity from the Sector 5 photographer quote that you brought up. In English he said "you don't look like you're on a date, more like at a funeral" and then says something like "have fun while you still can" when Aerith rebuffs his funeral remarks. The Spanish turns out to be WAY more brutal, where it instead translates as "don't you think you make a bad couple? She looks like she's about to cry", and in response to Aerith's protest he says "you don't have chemistry, period". It's just so much more savage than the English version and clearer too. Would love to hear your thoughts on this poor English localization.
That translation is brutal! As of right now I'm not sure how accurate it is to the Japanese but from what I've seen of the Italian one that was more loyal to the Japanese, the Spanish one might be getting across the intended message more accurately as well given that the European languages take their cues directly from the Japanese.
@@tanagreeknose7376 Got it, thanks. I also did both low and high affection church scenes in Spanish, and the nakama thing comes up in the former. Instead of the whole "next time" exchange, she says "that's because we have few memories together", and he responds "we will make more over time". When Aerith asks her "next time" question in response (in Spanish it's "is that what you want"), he says "eso hacen los amigos, no", which translates to "that's what friends do". High affection version he just says, "yeah, definitely". Based on that, my guess is the Spanish (Castellano dialect) is reflective of the Japanese dialogue, since he calls her a friend either way in the low affection version.
Just putting it out there. The affection score is how the character feels about Cloud. Not how he feels about the character. It's in the about description in the actual game written and stated by the creators. Aerith belongs with Zack. I believe they brought him back to life in another dimension to end the distraction from the real story the creators envisioned. They also made Aerith very pushy and annoying. Just what a guy with a messed up head definitely doesn't need. Aerith will absolutely be with Zack in the next game to end this annoying war that takes away what FF7s story represents
A great point that can often be overlooked. You filling up the affection bars has more to do with the player than Cloud even if we are playing through Cloud's eyes. As mentioned again and again, we see through Cloud's eyes how he views each character as the culmination of the affection scenario, but the different characters are the ones who allow you to experience that scenario by rewarding you with it.
@@tanagreeknose7376 I just popped up on my feed. I love your take on the game. Awesome perspective. I never played the OG so all very interesting. I think I wrote this post elsewhere also. I'm just trying to enjoy the story. Love from Australia 🇦🇺
@@lynefrances726 Thank you! You'll love the original game! I definitely recommend playing it before part 3 as it will make you even more excited for what's to come. 🙌
@tanagreeknose7376 I didn't know I could get it on PS5. I'll look when I get home from work. I'll be incredibly excited if I can. Especially waiting for part 3. I've always been aware of FF games but thought they were just fighting games with no story so ignored them. Saw FF7 for free download so thought I'd take a look. I nearly deleted it at Clouds first fight after jumping off the train because for the life of me I couldn't work out how to fight. Not one button worked for me. Deleted it x3 and decided to try one more time because naturally after downloading it videos started popping up. Thanks Big Brother. I'm Blonde, that's my excuse for being dumb, I didn't realise I had to press the option button to close the hint screen to get to game play. I was still a bit undecided until Cloud told Barrett to get help in the elevator with Jesse. I love anything that makes me laugh so stuck it out. By the time they got back to 7th Heaven I was hooked. I deleted the free game and paid for the 3 in one with Crisis Core and Interlude. I've played hundreds of games but this is my absolute favourite. Before this I was stuck between Witcher 3 and God of War 3. I know I write a lot, be grateful I'm in Oz, I talk more. Love your work and thanks for your suggestion I'll definitely follow up. You Rock
@@lynefrances726 Hahaha thanks so much for the love and I hope you have a blast with FF7. There's a reason it spawned a new trilogy. I love action games and RPGs so I can definitely see the appeal of God of War. I was always more a Devil May Cry person since I had never gotten to play God of War back then but can definitely see why it's so beloved.
Thought to leav some music-related notes here since Tana ended with some ivory-tickling. Jus before tis piano-jamming, somehow, I was listenin to reruns of Aerith’s theme quite a few more times than usual. How fortuitous! Wow, a simple violin accompaniment to piano rendition of Aerith’s, brought on the tingly up the nose. Xperienced much similar with her theme (especially orchestral version) when it’s played on the sadder cutscenes, cos we know, she goes. Really feel for her. BUT my go-to favorite listen, has always been Tifa’s. While it has never ever watered my eyes on any occasion, the home-coming, the heart-at-ease will always pull me back. It’s also the FF7 theme that works with the most number of instrumentation for me - orchestral (Enix’s “Star of 7th Heaven”, I believe? The piano, the flutes & violins 1 after another, then intertwining… awh… chef’s kiss), piano & guitar (try John Oeth’s). Other pieces that really caught my ear - On Our Way (theme of Kalm town, cos it’s really calming too), Cloud Smiles, Jessie’s theme.
my thing is why do a whole multiverse if the core story is just gonna stay the same? why hype the "defy fate" shtick if aerith is still gonna kick the bucket? i can accept aerith dying(though it was hard to) but my problem with this game is that they give you a false hope that you can change things and ultimately just playing with our emotions....hopefully all of this comes full circle in part 3 in a meaningful way, but as of right now the multiverse/worlds just seems pointless
The problem is ppl still think this is a multiverse. It's not. This isn't Marvel/DC. We're talking about a metaphysical/spiritual layer of FF7's reality that is tied to memories, dreams, death, and ultimately the Lifestream. It always goes back to the Lifestream. It is a collective unconscious that does not distinguish between real memories and fantasies. It can create temporary pocket worlds based on your memories and emotions (Aerith's dream date, OG Cloud's Lifestream scene), and, thanks to the "merging of worlds" Cloud is now stuck in between reality and a temporary Lifestream world where Aerith lived. Notice that only Cloud sees the cracked sky, the same cracked sky from the OG Lifestream sequence.
@@jthecryptid This is a great explanation of it!
The real Sepjirot died in CC, Remake and Rebirth Sephirot is Jenova in disguise
Some nice discussions whilst mountain-climbin around Nibel. Is conceivable by preferenc of personality, some folks might resonate better with characters very different from Tifa. But I can’t quite wrap my head round y the need to h-a-t-e & speak so much ill of Tifa, who’s jus the kindest & sweetest. I’d trade a fortune (if I had) for a person like that by my side, cos the world is jus a crazy 1 & is often cold + cruel. My very simple line of thought is that these folks r plain vindictiv to decent, kind people -> very much, in their core, they r NOT decent, kind folks… Mmmm, unfortunately, to top it off, frequently liars (to self & the masses) too