14:28- You skipped over the whole “you can now make him panic” part!?! Which (at least in my opinion) is a huge drop! You went from “there is no way you can make him panic! I don’t care if he has 5, 10, 20 or 50 suppression tokens, he will not panic” to 3 will make him suppressed and 6 or more will make him panic!?! I see that as a huge drop! Obviously if they made the number something insane it would still be impossible….. but I would have at least matched his health!?! If not 1 less!!!
@ryankyle24673 сағат бұрын
13:32- I think you skipped right over it….. but I don’t think you mentioned the Flaw issue?!? Either way, that Flaw card definitely downgrades him! I get that he came out around the same time (if not the same day) as Anakin and he also has a Flaw card! But it at least makes sense for Anakin to have a Flaw card (because of the lore/canon)! But I still don’t get why for Kallus?!? If anyone knows the real reason why, I would love to know?!? But a actual reason! Not something that just sounds good!!!
@ryankyle24673 сағат бұрын
11:16- I love having both Big Palps and Darth Vader on my list…….. but that is insanely expensive, even before you start putting any add ons on them!!! So the only way I do this is if I’m playing a 1,600pts, 2,000pts or more game (which is very rare! Because bigger games obviously take way longer and most people including the ones that show up each week to game night rarely want to or even have the time to play one of those games)!!! But it is still my preferred game to play! And also Empire was my first army I built, painted and played with and is still my favorite army!!!
@charlescarper73444 сағат бұрын
I think you should look into One page rules, The Grim Dark Future rule set. You can use any models but its pretty clear most factions are based on GW models. Basically a combat patrol box makes a 2000 point army after upgrades. Another one is Gaslands by osprey games. You use modified hot wheels in a mad max style death race. The game is super fun and has a lot of options. Very Very affordable. Even if you go the extra mile and buy custom dice and movement templates off of Etsy.
@andrewfurey29998 сағат бұрын
I haven't played dropzone commander since it got bought out by TT combat but the first edition from hawk wargames was really good fun i really need to get it back to the table with the new rules to see how it plays now
@Telidian13 сағат бұрын
You left out One Page Rules. They offer an alternative to WH40K and AoS, and they have now their own minitures. You can either buy stl-s for 3d printing, or you can buy the printed minis as well. Of course it is cheaper then GW. Also the basic rules are free, and since I bought the "full" game system I can say they are just additional rules, and not necessary for an enjoyable game.
@decrepitreeve756619 сағат бұрын
Talon Games CAV, the resin models can be found on their site for 6-17. The core rulebook is $39.99. Buy two sections plus the core book for about $120.00, they have a bundle for $59.99 that includes the core book plus a selection of mechs. The biggest issue is finding players, but I have found that if I say I have the miniatures and can teach them, I usually get a few people interested.
@rwdyeriiiКүн бұрын
For the cheapest wargame in the world, look at anything historical in 20mm or 1/72 scale. You can get HO scale model railroad buildings cheap for terrain. Also you can get the figures and vehicles depending on the era for less than $20 each in most cases. For under $60 you can have everything you need for a good historical wargame in whatever era you really like. Many older rulesets are also available online for free.
@WargamerofalltradesКүн бұрын
I mentioned a few of these game types in my follow up video
@Dave_LКүн бұрын
Stop buying things! Stop it!
@WargamerofalltradesКүн бұрын
No, you can never stop a plastic Crack addict!
@ryanglessner86263 күн бұрын
I really want to try Oathmark by Joseph McCullough. It is a Rank N Flank but you can set your army up in a way to have goblin wolf riders, elven archers and human soldiers.
@Wargamerofalltrades2 күн бұрын
Thanks for the recommendation, I'll add it to the list!
@bremer17013 күн бұрын
7:10 Play Kings of War and you want to throw your GW stuff into the bin. That game is so good that even Warhammer 40k and Warhammer fantasy in their prime editions (3rd/4th for 40k and 6th for fantasy) are absolute garbage compared to it.
@Wargamerofalltrades3 күн бұрын
After so many of these comments I'm going to have to try the game
@FleshCloud-ey5ro4 күн бұрын
What's the terrain in the opening
@Wargamerofalltrades4 күн бұрын
The terrain is the shadowfey ruins from Printed Scenery
@FleshCloud-ey5ro3 күн бұрын
ty @@Wargamerofalltrades
@plkangus4 күн бұрын
Nice video. Should mention Battletech. Low figure count, great starter sets and the Alpha Strike alternative rules.
@Wargamerofalltrades3 күн бұрын
I absolutely love battletech, it is in my other video that this is a follow up to and I plan to make more battletech content in the future
@falsehero20014 күн бұрын
Grey Knights can still be played with three Ckmbat Patrols, I think.
@falsehero20014 күн бұрын
Yeah, it’s $480 and you can max it out at 2025 points
@Wargamerofalltrades4 күн бұрын
While that is true, it is still an outlier in GW armies, good to know though
@Dean_AKI4 күн бұрын
'Gripping Beast' do starter armies for Saga, and there is also a fantasy variant...
@Wargamerofalltrades4 күн бұрын
Google failed me because they did not come up at all when I searched before, but I do very much like the minituares I see
@mark0111815 күн бұрын
Great video, the gaming community needs more of this... the masses need to know 40k isn't the only option! You can't argue the quality of their minis which are sensational, but their extortionate prices, suspect business model and incompetent rules writing is too much for many savvy wargamers these days. Mantic I love. Their models are getting better which is great to see, but the rules are just spot on. Simply, easy to learn but tactically in-depth is what you get from Firefight, Kings of War and Deadzone.
@Wargamerofalltrades3 күн бұрын
While I love Age of Sigmar/Old World, mainly due to the friends who play them, I do have to say GW hasn't been my favorite for a long time. Also the pain of making these videos and now realizing I want to try everything I have mentioned still hurts my wallet
@mark0111813 күн бұрын
@@Wargamerofalltrades Old World is very nostalgic for me and so I'm trying to get back into it, I desperately want it to be good. Trying to navigate the rulebook though was a reminder of how, whilst being lightyears ahead of most with their models, GW are still very much trailing behind when it comes to actual rules writing. Still, it's mainly about who you play with rather than what you're playing, and the main issue with any of these other games you've talked about is finding anyone who is actually willing to give them a go.
@Wargamerofalltrades2 күн бұрын
I have been lucky with a really open minded local gaming group and friend circle, and most of the games are cheap enough that buying two factions doesn't break the bank, But I do get it, it is harder to convince most people to try these smaller games
@SEdwards28815 күн бұрын
This is subjective**, but as someone who has collected all of these mentioned (shamefully) GW games don’t even have the most fun rules… by far!
@Wargamerofalltrades5 күн бұрын
I agree, some GW Games, mainly AOS and Old World, I do enjoy the rules of but they definitely don't have the best rules
@anab0lic6 күн бұрын
SAGA is a brilliant game. Bushido by GCT studious and (guildball recently revived by steamforge) are two low cost, high depth/replayability skirmish you should also check out.
@Wargamerofalltrades5 күн бұрын
There are so many Skirmish games, I'll add those two to the list
@AGloomySchizo6 күн бұрын
This is some really good stuff! There are SO many games out there that fly under my radar, you'll probably never run out of content just highlighting them.
@Wargamerofalltrades6 күн бұрын
Yeah, I only knew about half of these existed before making the first video, and I will be trying many of them soon thanks to Tabletop Simulator
@robertchmielecki25806 күн бұрын
No interest in the GoT setting? You, sir, need to work out on your nerd muscles! The game is pretty fun and relatively deep for how neat and elegant they are (apart from random charges, this thing in wargames should just die already...)
@Wargamerofalltrades6 күн бұрын
I was in a weird spot with it as I have somehow avoided the show completely while it was out, I'm sure I'll get around to it eventually. I actually like random charges in very specific circumstances, but I agree in 99% of cases they shouldn't exist
@Deathelement536 күн бұрын
Opr is just Warhammer but better in every way
@Wargamerofalltrades6 күн бұрын
Very much so, I really appreciate the not-40k-rules
@sturat51666 күн бұрын
For Hail Caesar and Flames of War I believe the rulebooks are the full rulebook, just a smaller format (5.5" x 8.5" or similar). For SAGA, Gripping Beast sells "official" pre-made armies. Noble Knight sells Essex miniatures armies for DBA for around $40-50 or less.
@Wargamerofalltrades6 күн бұрын
Thanks for the extra info!
@gregoryhall40626 күн бұрын
Love some skirmish
@Wargamerofalltrades6 күн бұрын
So do I, Skirmish Wargames are the ones I play the most
@shaneannigans6 күн бұрын
Subscribing for the skirmish content! 😊
@Wargamerofalltrades6 күн бұрын
Welcome aboard!
@damomabb93216 күн бұрын
Any of the rampant games there miniatures agnostic which means just find cheap miniatures OPR for the same reason oathmark also miniatures agnostic and they dedicated miniatures are well priced
@akumaking16 күн бұрын
I’ve printed out plenty of OPR Robot Legion stuff.
@Wargamerofalltrades6 күн бұрын
Yeah, One Page Rules has amazing STLs, I love almost all the designs
@gavinkennedy58136 күн бұрын
Fun fact De bellis antiquitaits is Latin for the wars of antiquities
@Wargamerofalltrades6 күн бұрын
Now I feel silly I didn't look this up
@VoxFelis7 күн бұрын
3d printing has pretty much meant I just buy rulebooks.
@colinmack86557 күн бұрын
Mantic is my jam Kings of war is the game I wish fantasy had been.
@michaelwain31988 күн бұрын
I gave up 40K and W/H years ago and at a time when the game wasn't too bad either (5th ed 40K). I'm currently enjoying Bolt Action quite a lot (I love WW2 anyway). Bolt Action is easy and not too expensive, get a 2 player starter and then a starter army, that matches one in the 2 player starter and you've got a playable army with a few options on how to field it in a standard size game. You missed the Flames of War family of games and their offshoots. Flames of War is WW2 in 15mm and instead of a platoon size game, like Bolt Action, it's a company size game, where you can easily have 10-20 tanks, plus supporting units. The offshoots include Team Yankee, which is 80-90's era Flames of War, plus 'Nam and Fate of a Nations in the 60/70's. There's also the newer games Clash of Steel (Flames of War based rules, for just tanks and easier to play) and World of Tanks (more of a skirmish game). A lot of the models can be used across the systems which helps cut down the price of getting armies for the different versions of the games. You can easily buy a starter army and a few complimentary units to go with it and have a playable force for not a huge amount, relatively. Lastly for Rank and File games, thee's Hail Caesar from Warlord games. I've picked up a couple of thier starter armies (Roman and Greek) for under £60, so it's possible to get a lot of troops, for not much money. If you don't like how the game plays, there are many other 'ancients' rule sets that you could just buy a rulebook for and use the Hail Caesar models. There's also loads of companies, like Victrix who also do 28mm 'ancients' figures, so you can pick and choose your models, you're not limited to models by one company (like GW stuff)
@BwfVid8 күн бұрын
Get a nice miniature agnostic rulebook (I recommend Lion/Dragon/Xenos Rampant, around $25.00), and some 1/72 scale miniatures and models. Italeri has some wonderful infantry minis that go for around $15.00 for a box of 40!
@Darkgael8 күн бұрын
just got into battletech a few weeks ago with the GOAC and Alpha strike box sets so far great rules the last time I played was the late 80's rules have barely changed over the years but the mech's are now plastic and look like the illustrations from back then hope to try new game in a few weeks with friends there all painted and ready to go :)
@PapaDoc73188 күн бұрын
Probably the cheapest is The 9th Age, cost how much you want to invest...
@andreas11718 күн бұрын
Price of books and necessary accesories are important as well. Take bolt action as an example - there you need order dice, armies of book and the core rulebook as well 😊
@Wargamerofalltrades8 күн бұрын
Out of fairness I did not include the extras for anyone, but I will include them in the next video
@RotneybotOfficial8 күн бұрын
What about Star Wars X-Wing and Armada?
@Wargamerofalltrades8 күн бұрын
They are in a weird spot for me, Armada sadly appears to be a dead game, and X Wing feels more like a skirmish game
@VanAleph9 күн бұрын
Historicals (from Warlord and other manufacturers too) tend to be pretty affordable. Since the minis are not based on a particular IP you can choose between many manufacturers and they can easily be reused for a variety of rule sets. If there's a period that interests you, give it a go!
@lynchpaints9 күн бұрын
Very happy to see Star Wars Legion at the top, it is indeed a fantastic game!
@Wargamerofalltrades9 күн бұрын
Couldn't agree more!
@dagdamar20009 күн бұрын
What I love about conquest is that the two player starter box is exactly that. You even get two rule books. They have not stopped trying to make the models better and better.
@Inquisitor_Lelouch9 күн бұрын
I still think classic battletech beats legion, not only because you can buy a box of 4 mechs for a lance, but you can use anything as a mech, unlike with gw where you have to use the models they sell you.
@andersand65769 күн бұрын
The dropzone commander star is pretty cool and can be found cheap. Two armies, paper battlemat and cardboard terrain. But 10mm minis, so lot for those who dont want to change scale, love the game though.
@mih29 күн бұрын
Just jumped into Flames of War. 15mm WW2. Got a full 100 point army for just touching 100 GBP. Be careful with SW Legion - it quickly becomes a money sinkhole.
@nothing-un6px9 күн бұрын
Emp grenades go brrr
@dratesdragetes77710 күн бұрын
You have no idea how important this video is, this video needs to be seen by more aspiring wargaming aspirants.
@Wargamerofalltrades10 күн бұрын
I am happy you enjoyed it! I like putting the spotlight on lesser known games, and it looks like this time KZread decided to show it to so many more people then normal, so I am pretty happy with the reach it has gotten!
@Tseuq4gninaem10 күн бұрын
it is bizarre how Infinity is NEVER on these kinds of list.
@Wargamerofalltrades10 күн бұрын
Infinity is on my radar, but it will be on my skirmish wargame list. I wanted to focus on more traditional wargames in this video
@Tseuq4gninaem8 күн бұрын
@@Wargamerofalltrades I think this is a bad idea as all these games exist in the same eco system. Some skirmish games are more expensive than tradition wargames but they emphasize on the experience over tons of model, which is the base reason we play the games.
@Wargamerofalltrades7 күн бұрын
I mean, I understand but skirmish wargames fit a very different niche, and will be getting a video to themselves.
@griffinfrensdorff36504 күн бұрын
Agreed. Infinity is far and away the most underrated wargame… which is hilarious because the community and company make it seem like the most happenin game always!
@tboneg33k10 күн бұрын
Another Warlord game, that probably qualifies as skirmish, Blood Red Skies is one of my favorite wargames that is dead simple to learn. It's WWII airplanes that you can get into with a single squadron box of planes for $25-$40. That includes almost everything you need to play, minus dice and the rulebook.
@Khorne-bd4tc10 күн бұрын
I can attest to bolt action. I did a near full competitive sized game. We learned and played a game and finished it in under 2 hours. So much better than 40ks 4-5 hour games when trying to learn their rules
@Wargamerofalltrades10 күн бұрын
Bolt action is a favorite system of mine, and I love it's activation system! I can get a full game in in under 2 hours easy, and it always feels nice
@Khorne-bd4tc10 күн бұрын
@@Wargamerofalltrades and that’s the thing. I dreaded 40k turns where I couldn’t do anything. The dice bag activation system just blew my mind with the difference in interactive play. On top of that they’re awesome with their customer service. Helped and knew their info about their products unlike GW customer service. Warlord even sent a sprue of 5 free infantry with their bases and upgrades with my most recent order. The reason this was impressive was I only ordered 2 howitzers and some dice. But they payed enough attention to send me the correct French faction infantry sprue as a free bonus. They earned my support that day.
@TylerProvick10 күн бұрын
Conquest is a different scale. It's not a perfect comparison due to this. Unfortunately, I don't think the larger model size does anything for the game beyond inflating the prices.
@Wargamerofalltrades10 күн бұрын
I actually like the different size, and I do disagree, it is still a valid comparison as the scale does not change that much
@PatGilliland10 күн бұрын
I'm currently looking at a WWII French Colonial platoon with options (AT gun, 60mm mortar 2 HMG), all in metal - $143 USD It would be a bit lower without the Senegalese head swaps for the support weapons. Bolt Action is a great WWII game as well but the real advantage is that you can re-use your figures and vehicles with other rules sets. No one owns the IP for a Panther and your Shermans are never going to be retconned out of your list. I prefer Chain of Command rules wise but there are many more out there and for many different periods. Now a caveat, if you get into 28mm Napoleonic mass battles - your wallet will take a big hit and you probably won't ever finish painting all your figures. ;)
@Wargamerofalltrades10 күн бұрын
Yep, I really like all the options for the scale, you don't need to buy from Warlord. However I haven't found a game in that scale I enjoy more then Bolt Action
@terrencemiltner100510 күн бұрын
The best use of your gaming dollars and attention are games you can get to the table or otherwise enjoy. The worst use of limited gaming dollars and time is a game you don't enjoy or enjoy playing because of the rules, lore, or other players in your area
@Wargamerofalltrades10 күн бұрын
Agreed
@bruced64811 күн бұрын
standard battletech is a true war game. having combined arms consisting of infantry all the way to space war ships and everything you can imagine in between. as far as army size, you can have a squad of basic soldiers (7 troops) to company's (minimum 12 units) to battalions (minimum 36 units) to Regiments, Divisions, Corp or Army. the scaling is up to the players - and not based on points, but organizational title. as far as cost and value, 'a game of armored combat' is $60usc and gets you effectively playing for as long as you want. since the game is miniatures agnostic, you never really need to buy anything more.
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14:28- You skipped over the whole “you can now make him panic” part!?! Which (at least in my opinion) is a huge drop! You went from “there is no way you can make him panic! I don’t care if he has 5, 10, 20 or 50 suppression tokens, he will not panic” to 3 will make him suppressed and 6 or more will make him panic!?! I see that as a huge drop! Obviously if they made the number something insane it would still be impossible….. but I would have at least matched his health!?! If not 1 less!!!
13:32- I think you skipped right over it….. but I don’t think you mentioned the Flaw issue?!? Either way, that Flaw card definitely downgrades him! I get that he came out around the same time (if not the same day) as Anakin and he also has a Flaw card! But it at least makes sense for Anakin to have a Flaw card (because of the lore/canon)! But I still don’t get why for Kallus?!? If anyone knows the real reason why, I would love to know?!? But a actual reason! Not something that just sounds good!!!
11:16- I love having both Big Palps and Darth Vader on my list…….. but that is insanely expensive, even before you start putting any add ons on them!!! So the only way I do this is if I’m playing a 1,600pts, 2,000pts or more game (which is very rare! Because bigger games obviously take way longer and most people including the ones that show up each week to game night rarely want to or even have the time to play one of those games)!!! But it is still my preferred game to play! And also Empire was my first army I built, painted and played with and is still my favorite army!!!
I think you should look into One page rules, The Grim Dark Future rule set. You can use any models but its pretty clear most factions are based on GW models. Basically a combat patrol box makes a 2000 point army after upgrades. Another one is Gaslands by osprey games. You use modified hot wheels in a mad max style death race. The game is super fun and has a lot of options. Very Very affordable. Even if you go the extra mile and buy custom dice and movement templates off of Etsy.
I haven't played dropzone commander since it got bought out by TT combat but the first edition from hawk wargames was really good fun i really need to get it back to the table with the new rules to see how it plays now
You left out One Page Rules. They offer an alternative to WH40K and AoS, and they have now their own minitures. You can either buy stl-s for 3d printing, or you can buy the printed minis as well. Of course it is cheaper then GW. Also the basic rules are free, and since I bought the "full" game system I can say they are just additional rules, and not necessary for an enjoyable game.
Talon Games CAV, the resin models can be found on their site for 6-17. The core rulebook is $39.99. Buy two sections plus the core book for about $120.00, they have a bundle for $59.99 that includes the core book plus a selection of mechs. The biggest issue is finding players, but I have found that if I say I have the miniatures and can teach them, I usually get a few people interested.
For the cheapest wargame in the world, look at anything historical in 20mm or 1/72 scale. You can get HO scale model railroad buildings cheap for terrain. Also you can get the figures and vehicles depending on the era for less than $20 each in most cases. For under $60 you can have everything you need for a good historical wargame in whatever era you really like. Many older rulesets are also available online for free.
I mentioned a few of these game types in my follow up video
Stop buying things! Stop it!
No, you can never stop a plastic Crack addict!
I really want to try Oathmark by Joseph McCullough. It is a Rank N Flank but you can set your army up in a way to have goblin wolf riders, elven archers and human soldiers.
Thanks for the recommendation, I'll add it to the list!
7:10 Play Kings of War and you want to throw your GW stuff into the bin. That game is so good that even Warhammer 40k and Warhammer fantasy in their prime editions (3rd/4th for 40k and 6th for fantasy) are absolute garbage compared to it.
After so many of these comments I'm going to have to try the game
What's the terrain in the opening
The terrain is the shadowfey ruins from Printed Scenery
ty @@Wargamerofalltrades
Nice video. Should mention Battletech. Low figure count, great starter sets and the Alpha Strike alternative rules.
I absolutely love battletech, it is in my other video that this is a follow up to and I plan to make more battletech content in the future
Grey Knights can still be played with three Ckmbat Patrols, I think.
Yeah, it’s $480 and you can max it out at 2025 points
While that is true, it is still an outlier in GW armies, good to know though
'Gripping Beast' do starter armies for Saga, and there is also a fantasy variant...
Google failed me because they did not come up at all when I searched before, but I do very much like the minituares I see
Great video, the gaming community needs more of this... the masses need to know 40k isn't the only option! You can't argue the quality of their minis which are sensational, but their extortionate prices, suspect business model and incompetent rules writing is too much for many savvy wargamers these days. Mantic I love. Their models are getting better which is great to see, but the rules are just spot on. Simply, easy to learn but tactically in-depth is what you get from Firefight, Kings of War and Deadzone.
While I love Age of Sigmar/Old World, mainly due to the friends who play them, I do have to say GW hasn't been my favorite for a long time. Also the pain of making these videos and now realizing I want to try everything I have mentioned still hurts my wallet
@@Wargamerofalltrades Old World is very nostalgic for me and so I'm trying to get back into it, I desperately want it to be good. Trying to navigate the rulebook though was a reminder of how, whilst being lightyears ahead of most with their models, GW are still very much trailing behind when it comes to actual rules writing. Still, it's mainly about who you play with rather than what you're playing, and the main issue with any of these other games you've talked about is finding anyone who is actually willing to give them a go.
I have been lucky with a really open minded local gaming group and friend circle, and most of the games are cheap enough that buying two factions doesn't break the bank, But I do get it, it is harder to convince most people to try these smaller games
This is subjective**, but as someone who has collected all of these mentioned (shamefully) GW games don’t even have the most fun rules… by far!
I agree, some GW Games, mainly AOS and Old World, I do enjoy the rules of but they definitely don't have the best rules
SAGA is a brilliant game. Bushido by GCT studious and (guildball recently revived by steamforge) are two low cost, high depth/replayability skirmish you should also check out.
There are so many Skirmish games, I'll add those two to the list
This is some really good stuff! There are SO many games out there that fly under my radar, you'll probably never run out of content just highlighting them.
Yeah, I only knew about half of these existed before making the first video, and I will be trying many of them soon thanks to Tabletop Simulator
No interest in the GoT setting? You, sir, need to work out on your nerd muscles! The game is pretty fun and relatively deep for how neat and elegant they are (apart from random charges, this thing in wargames should just die already...)
I was in a weird spot with it as I have somehow avoided the show completely while it was out, I'm sure I'll get around to it eventually. I actually like random charges in very specific circumstances, but I agree in 99% of cases they shouldn't exist
Opr is just Warhammer but better in every way
Very much so, I really appreciate the not-40k-rules
For Hail Caesar and Flames of War I believe the rulebooks are the full rulebook, just a smaller format (5.5" x 8.5" or similar). For SAGA, Gripping Beast sells "official" pre-made armies. Noble Knight sells Essex miniatures armies for DBA for around $40-50 or less.
Thanks for the extra info!
Love some skirmish
So do I, Skirmish Wargames are the ones I play the most
Subscribing for the skirmish content! 😊
Welcome aboard!
Any of the rampant games there miniatures agnostic which means just find cheap miniatures OPR for the same reason oathmark also miniatures agnostic and they dedicated miniatures are well priced
I’ve printed out plenty of OPR Robot Legion stuff.
Yeah, One Page Rules has amazing STLs, I love almost all the designs
Fun fact De bellis antiquitaits is Latin for the wars of antiquities
Now I feel silly I didn't look this up
3d printing has pretty much meant I just buy rulebooks.
Mantic is my jam Kings of war is the game I wish fantasy had been.
I gave up 40K and W/H years ago and at a time when the game wasn't too bad either (5th ed 40K). I'm currently enjoying Bolt Action quite a lot (I love WW2 anyway). Bolt Action is easy and not too expensive, get a 2 player starter and then a starter army, that matches one in the 2 player starter and you've got a playable army with a few options on how to field it in a standard size game. You missed the Flames of War family of games and their offshoots. Flames of War is WW2 in 15mm and instead of a platoon size game, like Bolt Action, it's a company size game, where you can easily have 10-20 tanks, plus supporting units. The offshoots include Team Yankee, which is 80-90's era Flames of War, plus 'Nam and Fate of a Nations in the 60/70's. There's also the newer games Clash of Steel (Flames of War based rules, for just tanks and easier to play) and World of Tanks (more of a skirmish game). A lot of the models can be used across the systems which helps cut down the price of getting armies for the different versions of the games. You can easily buy a starter army and a few complimentary units to go with it and have a playable force for not a huge amount, relatively. Lastly for Rank and File games, thee's Hail Caesar from Warlord games. I've picked up a couple of thier starter armies (Roman and Greek) for under £60, so it's possible to get a lot of troops, for not much money. If you don't like how the game plays, there are many other 'ancients' rule sets that you could just buy a rulebook for and use the Hail Caesar models. There's also loads of companies, like Victrix who also do 28mm 'ancients' figures, so you can pick and choose your models, you're not limited to models by one company (like GW stuff)
Get a nice miniature agnostic rulebook (I recommend Lion/Dragon/Xenos Rampant, around $25.00), and some 1/72 scale miniatures and models. Italeri has some wonderful infantry minis that go for around $15.00 for a box of 40!
just got into battletech a few weeks ago with the GOAC and Alpha strike box sets so far great rules the last time I played was the late 80's rules have barely changed over the years but the mech's are now plastic and look like the illustrations from back then hope to try new game in a few weeks with friends there all painted and ready to go :)
Probably the cheapest is The 9th Age, cost how much you want to invest...
Price of books and necessary accesories are important as well. Take bolt action as an example - there you need order dice, armies of book and the core rulebook as well 😊
Out of fairness I did not include the extras for anyone, but I will include them in the next video
What about Star Wars X-Wing and Armada?
They are in a weird spot for me, Armada sadly appears to be a dead game, and X Wing feels more like a skirmish game
Historicals (from Warlord and other manufacturers too) tend to be pretty affordable. Since the minis are not based on a particular IP you can choose between many manufacturers and they can easily be reused for a variety of rule sets. If there's a period that interests you, give it a go!
Very happy to see Star Wars Legion at the top, it is indeed a fantastic game!
Couldn't agree more!
What I love about conquest is that the two player starter box is exactly that. You even get two rule books. They have not stopped trying to make the models better and better.
I still think classic battletech beats legion, not only because you can buy a box of 4 mechs for a lance, but you can use anything as a mech, unlike with gw where you have to use the models they sell you.
The dropzone commander star is pretty cool and can be found cheap. Two armies, paper battlemat and cardboard terrain. But 10mm minis, so lot for those who dont want to change scale, love the game though.
Just jumped into Flames of War. 15mm WW2. Got a full 100 point army for just touching 100 GBP. Be careful with SW Legion - it quickly becomes a money sinkhole.
Emp grenades go brrr
You have no idea how important this video is, this video needs to be seen by more aspiring wargaming aspirants.
I am happy you enjoyed it! I like putting the spotlight on lesser known games, and it looks like this time KZread decided to show it to so many more people then normal, so I am pretty happy with the reach it has gotten!
it is bizarre how Infinity is NEVER on these kinds of list.
Infinity is on my radar, but it will be on my skirmish wargame list. I wanted to focus on more traditional wargames in this video
@@Wargamerofalltrades I think this is a bad idea as all these games exist in the same eco system. Some skirmish games are more expensive than tradition wargames but they emphasize on the experience over tons of model, which is the base reason we play the games.
I mean, I understand but skirmish wargames fit a very different niche, and will be getting a video to themselves.
Agreed. Infinity is far and away the most underrated wargame… which is hilarious because the community and company make it seem like the most happenin game always!
Another Warlord game, that probably qualifies as skirmish, Blood Red Skies is one of my favorite wargames that is dead simple to learn. It's WWII airplanes that you can get into with a single squadron box of planes for $25-$40. That includes almost everything you need to play, minus dice and the rulebook.
I can attest to bolt action. I did a near full competitive sized game. We learned and played a game and finished it in under 2 hours. So much better than 40ks 4-5 hour games when trying to learn their rules
Bolt action is a favorite system of mine, and I love it's activation system! I can get a full game in in under 2 hours easy, and it always feels nice
@@Wargamerofalltrades and that’s the thing. I dreaded 40k turns where I couldn’t do anything. The dice bag activation system just blew my mind with the difference in interactive play. On top of that they’re awesome with their customer service. Helped and knew their info about their products unlike GW customer service. Warlord even sent a sprue of 5 free infantry with their bases and upgrades with my most recent order. The reason this was impressive was I only ordered 2 howitzers and some dice. But they payed enough attention to send me the correct French faction infantry sprue as a free bonus. They earned my support that day.
Conquest is a different scale. It's not a perfect comparison due to this. Unfortunately, I don't think the larger model size does anything for the game beyond inflating the prices.
I actually like the different size, and I do disagree, it is still a valid comparison as the scale does not change that much
I'm currently looking at a WWII French Colonial platoon with options (AT gun, 60mm mortar 2 HMG), all in metal - $143 USD It would be a bit lower without the Senegalese head swaps for the support weapons. Bolt Action is a great WWII game as well but the real advantage is that you can re-use your figures and vehicles with other rules sets. No one owns the IP for a Panther and your Shermans are never going to be retconned out of your list. I prefer Chain of Command rules wise but there are many more out there and for many different periods. Now a caveat, if you get into 28mm Napoleonic mass battles - your wallet will take a big hit and you probably won't ever finish painting all your figures. ;)
Yep, I really like all the options for the scale, you don't need to buy from Warlord. However I haven't found a game in that scale I enjoy more then Bolt Action
The best use of your gaming dollars and attention are games you can get to the table or otherwise enjoy. The worst use of limited gaming dollars and time is a game you don't enjoy or enjoy playing because of the rules, lore, or other players in your area
Agreed
standard battletech is a true war game. having combined arms consisting of infantry all the way to space war ships and everything you can imagine in between. as far as army size, you can have a squad of basic soldiers (7 troops) to company's (minimum 12 units) to battalions (minimum 36 units) to Regiments, Divisions, Corp or Army. the scaling is up to the players - and not based on points, but organizational title. as far as cost and value, 'a game of armored combat' is $60usc and gets you effectively playing for as long as you want. since the game is miniatures agnostic, you never really need to buy anything more.