Can't believe I got an issue of Peter Bagge's Hate in the mid 90's or something, here in Costa Rica, CA. As soon as I saw it I knew it was special. I was knee deep into comics back then, mostly old Metal Hurlant from Spain and British 2000 AD from the 80s which became an integral part of my life. I still have them 30 years later. I used to read Mad and Cracked magazines back then. Awesome times...
@cartoonaesthetics13 сағат бұрын
That is awesome. Magazines were such gateways to other worlds back then
@xdrian18 сағат бұрын
This is my favorite episode of The Wonder Years.
@cartoonaesthetics13 сағат бұрын
lol
@ajhproductions234719 сағат бұрын
You’re good with words. Thx and subbed lol
@cartoonaesthetics13 сағат бұрын
Thanks man
@danielbetancourt1483Күн бұрын
Great video. I look forward to your future work 🧐
@cartoonaesthetics13 сағат бұрын
Thanks
@wrobinnesКүн бұрын
Excellent! This is what KZread is for. Neat Stuff and Hate would have been insipid mush had it catered to uptight wokescolds like the Seattle Weekly writer you mention.
@cartoonaestheticsКүн бұрын
Glad you enjoyed it!
@Teekay6172 күн бұрын
First year millennial here, my whole life I was told my generation was gonna change the world, class of 2000, and even as a kid i knew nothing was going to change. But at that time people thought there was gonna be some kind of Renaissance in the year 2000 that never came. I do miss that feeling of the unknown of the future it's lost now.
@cartoonaesthetics2 күн бұрын
Take good care of your kid - that's the unknown future
@Teekay6172 күн бұрын
@@cartoonaesthetics True and try not to mess them up as much as our parents did 😂 Most of us have one thing in common Gen X, Early Gen Z...... Divorce, blaming the other parent
@michaelg86423 күн бұрын
i really miss the weird authenticity; it feels like the soul of world has died in a way.. everything seems generic and awful now
@cartoonaesthetics2 күн бұрын
It's not that "history" has stopped, but culture has been stagnated by the iphone, basically
@fireflocs3 күн бұрын
People talked and acted that way in Hate because that was how people actually talked and acted in real life. It didn't reveal any kind of underlying bigotry in the people (real or fictional), so much as it reflected an attitude of irreverence; NOTHING was to be taken 100% seriously, or too sacred to fart on and laugh at. That description of the female characters in Hate as 'almost universally insane, sex-crazed, and taken advantage of'? Yeah, one of the reasons I love Hate is because of how absolutely true that rings to my personal, lived experience. All the women in my life are incredibly horny, have difficulty functioning, and get treated poorly by the unfair world we're living in. That is not a flaw in the comic; it's a feature, and a damn important one. It's a flaw in life itself. Despite the title, it was never about actual hate. It was about provoking the gullible into literally judging a book by its cover.
@cartoonaesthetics3 күн бұрын
Well said
@librarianeric3 күн бұрын
I remember reading "Hate" in the early 90s because Bagge's art resembled nothing so much as Basil Wolverton's work in Mad Magazine. But it quickly became apparent to me that Bagge was using his character, Buddy, to say all the racist, sexist things that Bagge wanted to say without fear of criticism. And we see this sort of thing even today. Comics like Seinfeld, Maher, Carolla, Rogan, (and most recently - and regrettably - Chappelle) want to exercise their right to say whatever they want and of course, that is and always should be their right. But what they really want is not freedom of speech, but freedom from criticism. This allows them to paint themselves, ironically, as unfairly maligned victims whose only crime is saying offensive things. And when someone criticizes them or protests their events, they become the hypersensitive crybabies they accuse other people of being. Talk about entitled. These guys honestly believe they are entitled to laughs and immunity from criticism. Bagge, a right wing libertarian who has worked for the Ayn Rand-worshipping publication, Reason, is cut from the same cloth. His artwork is great, some of his work is hilarious, but at the end of the day, it's still the same old "woe is me, I'm being oppressed by liberals, gays and feminists because I'm entitled to laughs and if you don't like it, that's because you're an uptight culture warrior."
@cartoonaesthetics3 күн бұрын
I disagree, but I could see how you feel that way. Annoyance with liberals & feminists was definitely a recurring theme of his. But give Bagge credit, he's not some culture warrior / grifter like Bill Maher or Adam Carolla - he's created three respectful biographies of important feminist historical figures, including Margaret Sanger for goodness' sake. I have to disagree about him being anti-gay as well, Phil was a very sympathetic & well-rounded gay character from the original Hate, & the homophobia of Buddy's family (especially from Butch) was often an obvious subject of ridicule.
@believein13 күн бұрын
We saw the 80’s and 90’s and the transition from the organic to the digital age. We are old school, but know technology as well. We are the perfect generation.
@cartoonaesthetics3 күн бұрын
lol & so modest too
@OaksArmorial3 күн бұрын
I have to pause every two seconds to read the comics. This is unbearably annoying.
@damianmonke39224 күн бұрын
This is a good ass video I really wish American comics went this direction. Edgy and fun and whatever it wants to be.
@KenLieck4 күн бұрын
This must be the whole season: Episode name Day Added The Ren & Stimpy Show Reboot Episode 10 - Journey to the Center of the Idiot - Zen Ren 7/22/2024 The Ren & Stimpy Show Reboot Episode 9 - Renunion - Plane and Simple - Ask Dr. Stupid Lemons 7/22/2024 The Ren & Stimpy Show Reboot Episode 8 - Stupid and Afraid - I Dream of Stimpy 7/22/2024 The Ren & Stimpy Show Reboot Episode 7 - Hair Fairy - Powdered Toast Man! The Movie - Everything to Me 7/22/2024 The Ren & Stimpy Show Reboot Episode 6 - Aw Hell No! - Squatters 5/28/2024 The Ren & Stimpy Show Reboot Episode 5 - Now Sea Here - A Stimpy is Born - Ask Dr. Stupid Toxic 7/22/2024 The Ren & Stimpy Show Reboot Episode 4 - 2 Slow 2 Furious - Keeping Your Roommate Happy 7/22/2024 The Ren & Stimpy Show Reboot Episode 3 - Bad Stimpy - The Mother of All Yakmases - Yucky the Mudman 7/22/2024 The Ren & Stimpy Show Reboot Episode 2 - Screentime - Milk Pulp - All About Log 7/22/2024 The Ren & Stimpy Show Reboot Episode 1 - Renhattan - Table for Human - Clear
@cartoonaesthetics4 күн бұрын
@@KenLieck yeah I was hoping it would remain lost media so I wouldn’t have to review it someday!
@TrueSeed-ft1jn4 күн бұрын
What a culture of losers.
@AmericaTheEnslaved4 күн бұрын
awesome. not many people know about fun stuff, or hate, comics.
@vidform4 күн бұрын
The 1990s was the "Ugly Decade." Generation X and the 1990s embraced all things ugly, taboo, rough, raw, raunchy and ridiculous. Think, "Joe's Apartment." We replaced "Dynasty" with "Melrose Place." We replaced Neiman Marcus with thrift store shopping. We replaced highbrow with lowbrow. Beauty was out. Ugly was in.
@cartoonaesthetics4 күн бұрын
For a lot of it, yeah. This is what Paul Skallas calls "The Vulgar Wave"
@rameybutler-hm7nx4 күн бұрын
Genx we dont care. Genz they care too much.
@cartoonaesthetics4 күн бұрын
Faith No More: We Care a Lot
@ideologybot45924 күн бұрын
Yeah, a bunch of Gen Xers have gone back on everything they did when they were young, the most obvious case in point being Chuck Klosterman's book The Nineties. If you think the hit piece on Bagge was ridiculous, that's a 300 page retrospective on the entire decade with the same smugly superior point of view. I think there's a need to evaluate what it means to be cynical and sincere. Gen X had a moment where they were both, because they turned so much of their disdain back on themselves and decided they just weren't going to lie about how it was... while at the same time, they still obviously held the same basic anti-establishment values as the boomers did. They just knew they couldn't pull it off. The fault wasn't in the system, it was in the people, who in aggregate ARE the system. It works this way because earnest reform doesn't work. Trust and social duty can't be sold to a consumerist people. They know too much, and can't deal with power well enough to really change the value system. If sincerity means that you have to really go after what you believe is right, but cynicism means knowing that you're going to fail, then you can be both but you can't believe in a happy ending. Gen X was right about this, and at some point you have to accept that it's the beliefs, the hope for the idyllic world, that's flawed. I don't think this is such a bad thing, but I like people more when they're tough and scarred and a little vitriolic, so I'm probably just way out of touch and don't like the species.
@cartoonaesthetics4 күн бұрын
I'd always wondered if Klosterman was any good, thanks for saving me the trouble
@IndieGuvenc5 күн бұрын
I hope somewhere in the beginning the creator mentions all the recessions Gen X went thru 2000, 2008. My resume had like 4 companies in one year in that time period
@cartoonaesthetics5 күн бұрын
@@IndieGuvenc be sure to watch the entire vid to find out (& don’t skip the ads)
@mheiseus5 күн бұрын
Gen~x was the first techno age.
@cartoonaesthetics5 күн бұрын
@@mheiseus the birth of cyberpunk!
@eliselianaboyd25475 күн бұрын
Btw..you do know that love and rockets had alot of queer characters in it? But seeing that you're overlooking queer people in music and everything else that not that surprising
@cartoonaesthetics5 күн бұрын
@@eliselianaboyd2547queer comics “erasure” see that’s clever because comics?? Drawing??? Erasing????
@Adam-nc6qg4 күн бұрын
@@eliselianaboyd2547 I'm not sure what you are seeing, but the guy was talking broadly about entire generation but also exclusively focusing on animation. If he was talking about every subculture and minority, then the video would be hours longer
@No-One-of-Consequence5 күн бұрын
Pahlaniuk is pronounced "PAHL-a-nick". NOT "Puh-LAH-nee-uck". Gen X still cares about pronunciation, grammar, spelling, and language generally.
@cartoonaesthetics5 күн бұрын
@@No-One-of-Consequence thank you for your service
@No-One-of-Consequence5 күн бұрын
@@cartoonaesthetics You're welcome. (Don't get me wrong. I still subscribed.)
@cartoonaesthetics5 күн бұрын
@@No-One-of-Consequence I really do care about such details. But turns out I’ve been mispronouncing his name for decades apparently
@No-One-of-Consequence4 күн бұрын
@@cartoonaesthetics It doesn't make you a bad person. And Chuck was really cool about it when I got it wrong. (He called me after this awful thing happened. He had sent me this amazing care package full of Chuck swag, and I told my wife he was on the phone, and got his name wrong. He walked me through it, and I promised I would never get it wrong again. My last name rhymes with some stuff that my elementary school classmates took full advantage of, so I have always tried to be sensitive about these things and I was terribly embarrassed that I got the name of one of my literary heroes not just wrong, but wrong to his face. But he was great about it. And the man is more than just a writer. He's a mentor to writers, and a good and decent man. You are doing good work. Keep doing it!
@cartoonaesthetics4 күн бұрын
@@No-One-of-Consequence thanks man
@JeredtheShy5 күн бұрын
Kelton Sears basically describing the joke that Bagge was delivering - because he doesn't treat Buddy as a character but as a thin disguise for Peter Bagge - as if he has caught Bagge doing a naughty from almost 40 years in the future then proceeding to make a smug list of how Bagge's work is being problematic - while ignoring that that is the joke and Bagge was taking the piss on this culture in the first place - that is honestly a staggering piece of cosmic comedy. GenZ scolding GenX for online clout because GenX drew a spicy comic book decades ago.
@BeardLAD5 күн бұрын
There’s never been a successful generation, the zeitgeist of the late twentieth/early twenty first century, was just a continuation & consolidation (in The West), of POWER… …our ‘superiors’, it must be understood, are evil. If you care about culture, art - humanity’s soul - to any degree, you’ll work together to disempower our superior idiots. Don’t forget: there’s evil everywhere at every level. One last thing, if you don’t understand evil - it’s nature in the abstract - or where power lies and how it is weaponised against the many - by the many - for the few, you’ve a stupid amount of work to do. Evil 101: it wants to destroy the good & beautiful… …if your mind is thinking ‘physical’, then you’ve really got a lot of stupid work to do. Power: food, fuel, fresh water, housing. Assets they’re converting failed fiat into, guess how they do this. I’ve learned a lot from comics & heroes - even villains - the main one being it isn’t the powers that make a character one or the other… …they just amplify what’s already there: good becomes great, etc I’m resigned to going down with the ship, because the majority of crew & passengers ‘ruin it’. Ps interesting part 1, interested to learn about this ‘hate’ comic (never heard of it), but then again I’m not a big owner of comic literature (just one series).
Пікірлер
Can't believe I got an issue of Peter Bagge's Hate in the mid 90's or something, here in Costa Rica, CA. As soon as I saw it I knew it was special. I was knee deep into comics back then, mostly old Metal Hurlant from Spain and British 2000 AD from the 80s which became an integral part of my life. I still have them 30 years later. I used to read Mad and Cracked magazines back then. Awesome times...
That is awesome. Magazines were such gateways to other worlds back then
This is my favorite episode of The Wonder Years.
lol
You’re good with words. Thx and subbed lol
Thanks man
Great video. I look forward to your future work 🧐
Thanks
Excellent! This is what KZread is for. Neat Stuff and Hate would have been insipid mush had it catered to uptight wokescolds like the Seattle Weekly writer you mention.
Glad you enjoyed it!
First year millennial here, my whole life I was told my generation was gonna change the world, class of 2000, and even as a kid i knew nothing was going to change. But at that time people thought there was gonna be some kind of Renaissance in the year 2000 that never came. I do miss that feeling of the unknown of the future it's lost now.
Take good care of your kid - that's the unknown future
@@cartoonaesthetics True and try not to mess them up as much as our parents did 😂 Most of us have one thing in common Gen X, Early Gen Z...... Divorce, blaming the other parent
i really miss the weird authenticity; it feels like the soul of world has died in a way.. everything seems generic and awful now
It's not that "history" has stopped, but culture has been stagnated by the iphone, basically
People talked and acted that way in Hate because that was how people actually talked and acted in real life. It didn't reveal any kind of underlying bigotry in the people (real or fictional), so much as it reflected an attitude of irreverence; NOTHING was to be taken 100% seriously, or too sacred to fart on and laugh at. That description of the female characters in Hate as 'almost universally insane, sex-crazed, and taken advantage of'? Yeah, one of the reasons I love Hate is because of how absolutely true that rings to my personal, lived experience. All the women in my life are incredibly horny, have difficulty functioning, and get treated poorly by the unfair world we're living in. That is not a flaw in the comic; it's a feature, and a damn important one. It's a flaw in life itself. Despite the title, it was never about actual hate. It was about provoking the gullible into literally judging a book by its cover.
Well said
I remember reading "Hate" in the early 90s because Bagge's art resembled nothing so much as Basil Wolverton's work in Mad Magazine. But it quickly became apparent to me that Bagge was using his character, Buddy, to say all the racist, sexist things that Bagge wanted to say without fear of criticism. And we see this sort of thing even today. Comics like Seinfeld, Maher, Carolla, Rogan, (and most recently - and regrettably - Chappelle) want to exercise their right to say whatever they want and of course, that is and always should be their right. But what they really want is not freedom of speech, but freedom from criticism. This allows them to paint themselves, ironically, as unfairly maligned victims whose only crime is saying offensive things. And when someone criticizes them or protests their events, they become the hypersensitive crybabies they accuse other people of being. Talk about entitled. These guys honestly believe they are entitled to laughs and immunity from criticism. Bagge, a right wing libertarian who has worked for the Ayn Rand-worshipping publication, Reason, is cut from the same cloth. His artwork is great, some of his work is hilarious, but at the end of the day, it's still the same old "woe is me, I'm being oppressed by liberals, gays and feminists because I'm entitled to laughs and if you don't like it, that's because you're an uptight culture warrior."
I disagree, but I could see how you feel that way. Annoyance with liberals & feminists was definitely a recurring theme of his. But give Bagge credit, he's not some culture warrior / grifter like Bill Maher or Adam Carolla - he's created three respectful biographies of important feminist historical figures, including Margaret Sanger for goodness' sake. I have to disagree about him being anti-gay as well, Phil was a very sympathetic & well-rounded gay character from the original Hate, & the homophobia of Buddy's family (especially from Butch) was often an obvious subject of ridicule.
We saw the 80’s and 90’s and the transition from the organic to the digital age. We are old school, but know technology as well. We are the perfect generation.
lol & so modest too
I have to pause every two seconds to read the comics. This is unbearably annoying.
This is a good ass video I really wish American comics went this direction. Edgy and fun and whatever it wants to be.
This must be the whole season: Episode name Day Added The Ren & Stimpy Show Reboot Episode 10 - Journey to the Center of the Idiot - Zen Ren 7/22/2024 The Ren & Stimpy Show Reboot Episode 9 - Renunion - Plane and Simple - Ask Dr. Stupid Lemons 7/22/2024 The Ren & Stimpy Show Reboot Episode 8 - Stupid and Afraid - I Dream of Stimpy 7/22/2024 The Ren & Stimpy Show Reboot Episode 7 - Hair Fairy - Powdered Toast Man! The Movie - Everything to Me 7/22/2024 The Ren & Stimpy Show Reboot Episode 6 - Aw Hell No! - Squatters 5/28/2024 The Ren & Stimpy Show Reboot Episode 5 - Now Sea Here - A Stimpy is Born - Ask Dr. Stupid Toxic 7/22/2024 The Ren & Stimpy Show Reboot Episode 4 - 2 Slow 2 Furious - Keeping Your Roommate Happy 7/22/2024 The Ren & Stimpy Show Reboot Episode 3 - Bad Stimpy - The Mother of All Yakmases - Yucky the Mudman 7/22/2024 The Ren & Stimpy Show Reboot Episode 2 - Screentime - Milk Pulp - All About Log 7/22/2024 The Ren & Stimpy Show Reboot Episode 1 - Renhattan - Table for Human - Clear
@@KenLieck yeah I was hoping it would remain lost media so I wouldn’t have to review it someday!
What a culture of losers.
awesome. not many people know about fun stuff, or hate, comics.
The 1990s was the "Ugly Decade." Generation X and the 1990s embraced all things ugly, taboo, rough, raw, raunchy and ridiculous. Think, "Joe's Apartment." We replaced "Dynasty" with "Melrose Place." We replaced Neiman Marcus with thrift store shopping. We replaced highbrow with lowbrow. Beauty was out. Ugly was in.
For a lot of it, yeah. This is what Paul Skallas calls "The Vulgar Wave"
Genx we dont care. Genz they care too much.
Faith No More: We Care a Lot
Yeah, a bunch of Gen Xers have gone back on everything they did when they were young, the most obvious case in point being Chuck Klosterman's book The Nineties. If you think the hit piece on Bagge was ridiculous, that's a 300 page retrospective on the entire decade with the same smugly superior point of view. I think there's a need to evaluate what it means to be cynical and sincere. Gen X had a moment where they were both, because they turned so much of their disdain back on themselves and decided they just weren't going to lie about how it was... while at the same time, they still obviously held the same basic anti-establishment values as the boomers did. They just knew they couldn't pull it off. The fault wasn't in the system, it was in the people, who in aggregate ARE the system. It works this way because earnest reform doesn't work. Trust and social duty can't be sold to a consumerist people. They know too much, and can't deal with power well enough to really change the value system. If sincerity means that you have to really go after what you believe is right, but cynicism means knowing that you're going to fail, then you can be both but you can't believe in a happy ending. Gen X was right about this, and at some point you have to accept that it's the beliefs, the hope for the idyllic world, that's flawed. I don't think this is such a bad thing, but I like people more when they're tough and scarred and a little vitriolic, so I'm probably just way out of touch and don't like the species.
I'd always wondered if Klosterman was any good, thanks for saving me the trouble
I hope somewhere in the beginning the creator mentions all the recessions Gen X went thru 2000, 2008. My resume had like 4 companies in one year in that time period
@@IndieGuvenc be sure to watch the entire vid to find out (& don’t skip the ads)
Gen~x was the first techno age.
@@mheiseus the birth of cyberpunk!
Btw..you do know that love and rockets had alot of queer characters in it? But seeing that you're overlooking queer people in music and everything else that not that surprising
@@eliselianaboyd2547queer comics “erasure” see that’s clever because comics?? Drawing??? Erasing????
@@eliselianaboyd2547 I'm not sure what you are seeing, but the guy was talking broadly about entire generation but also exclusively focusing on animation. If he was talking about every subculture and minority, then the video would be hours longer
Pahlaniuk is pronounced "PAHL-a-nick". NOT "Puh-LAH-nee-uck". Gen X still cares about pronunciation, grammar, spelling, and language generally.
@@No-One-of-Consequence thank you for your service
@@cartoonaesthetics You're welcome. (Don't get me wrong. I still subscribed.)
@@No-One-of-Consequence I really do care about such details. But turns out I’ve been mispronouncing his name for decades apparently
@@cartoonaesthetics It doesn't make you a bad person. And Chuck was really cool about it when I got it wrong. (He called me after this awful thing happened. He had sent me this amazing care package full of Chuck swag, and I told my wife he was on the phone, and got his name wrong. He walked me through it, and I promised I would never get it wrong again. My last name rhymes with some stuff that my elementary school classmates took full advantage of, so I have always tried to be sensitive about these things and I was terribly embarrassed that I got the name of one of my literary heroes not just wrong, but wrong to his face. But he was great about it. And the man is more than just a writer. He's a mentor to writers, and a good and decent man. You are doing good work. Keep doing it!
@@No-One-of-Consequence thanks man
Kelton Sears basically describing the joke that Bagge was delivering - because he doesn't treat Buddy as a character but as a thin disguise for Peter Bagge - as if he has caught Bagge doing a naughty from almost 40 years in the future then proceeding to make a smug list of how Bagge's work is being problematic - while ignoring that that is the joke and Bagge was taking the piss on this culture in the first place - that is honestly a staggering piece of cosmic comedy. GenZ scolding GenX for online clout because GenX drew a spicy comic book decades ago.
There’s never been a successful generation, the zeitgeist of the late twentieth/early twenty first century, was just a continuation & consolidation (in The West), of POWER… …our ‘superiors’, it must be understood, are evil. If you care about culture, art - humanity’s soul - to any degree, you’ll work together to disempower our superior idiots. Don’t forget: there’s evil everywhere at every level. One last thing, if you don’t understand evil - it’s nature in the abstract - or where power lies and how it is weaponised against the many - by the many - for the few, you’ve a stupid amount of work to do. Evil 101: it wants to destroy the good & beautiful… …if your mind is thinking ‘physical’, then you’ve really got a lot of stupid work to do. Power: food, fuel, fresh water, housing. Assets they’re converting failed fiat into, guess how they do this. I’ve learned a lot from comics & heroes - even villains - the main one being it isn’t the powers that make a character one or the other… …they just amplify what’s already there: good becomes great, etc I’m resigned to going down with the ship, because the majority of crew & passengers ‘ruin it’. Ps interesting part 1, interested to learn about this ‘hate’ comic (never heard of it), but then again I’m not a big owner of comic literature (just one series).
@@BeardLAD which series? “Everything’s Archie”?