This was the last pro camera by ATG. Then ATG gone & knocked down Hasselblad & Rolleiflex, ATG's Contax 645. The ATG with AX. ATG/Contax world's first AF using full manual lenses. ATG's father was the genius Yoshihisa Maitani 1. ATG & I suggest to go for the Contax RTS (less automation/can add motor drive) 2. Maitani's Olympus M-1, OM-1, OM-3 3. ATG/Maitani's Olympus OM-4Ti 4. ATG/Canon EOS-1VHSr 5. Pentax LX, assisted by ATG 6. Nikon F3 7. ATG/Canon new F-1 All pro cameras have ATG/Maitani's mirror lock up features Only two cameras (based on above) have ATG's finders M-1, OM-1, OM-3, LX & New F-1 can operate without battery If you have those Japan Zeiss lenses, you can buy ATG's adapters to fit to other brand bodies Any questions/mod/repairs/services, please reply with your email here
@kubicajakub7 күн бұрын
Great video, I wonder how hard is to get CCD look from GFX. I have GF50 3.5 and I was pretty disappointed with image, super sharp and that's it.... so im using adopted lenses. RAW files on your site are really helpful.
@keldmikkelsen524612 күн бұрын
"The hissing sound, when you turn the camera on" is/could be the sound from the camera winding the film to the first image. It's not a camera fault. I have two RTS III and they make such a ("hissing") sound.
@KristofferTrolle12 күн бұрын
Hmm I don't think so, it's not a mechanical sound, but more some kind of electrical humming, also film rewinded fine. But thanks for the tip
@nielsweckwarth862728 күн бұрын
So you bought a camera you knew you would hate, because is has features you dislike/misses features you like? And the one to blame is the manufacturer? So you keep rambling on and on? That sounds really smart.
@FyahAlex4 күн бұрын
Couldn't agree. Definitely a trash review.
@wendysburgers432628 күн бұрын
Review Lens WITHOUT EDITED JPEGs. Should be straight out of the camera.
@eugeniuadamАй бұрын
I love my RX but that is one chunky unit. If I were to buy a second 35mm body, it would probably be the Aria, even though they're pretty expensive for what they are. And I would definitely pair it up with a 45mm f/2.8 Zeiss. I used to run a similar digital setup with my Pentax K5IIs + 40mm f/2.8 Ltd pancake and it was the absolute best vacation camera.
@brianzoowabАй бұрын
I shot this camera a couple of times. Took accurately exposed photos, and Zeiss lenses are a bonus. I should shoot with it more often but I tend to shoot with the lighter RX or Aria. Paired with the 85mm f1.4 lens, it is really too heavy but every shot comes out beautifully with that combo. Looking to try longer lenses. Any suggestions?
@-greyАй бұрын
Great idea. I wish more people would talk about the colour and contrast changes between generations, I guess it is difficult to pin down because there are also colour and contrast changes between lenses too. 😂 I would rank them like this: 👑 X-Trans 3, I think it's the perfect balance between realistic and stylistic. X-trans 2 is next, but probably only for me - it's extremely stylistic and difficult to manage sometimes, but its vibrant and deep contrast look is just very unique. X-Trans 1 is the opposite of 2, but it has a very unique dreamy soft contrast pastel quality. X-Trans 5, I think it has the least stylization, so if you don't like Fujifilm's more extreme looks, the newest cameras will give you the classic Fujifilm experience but frustrate you less with their most neutral look. 👋 X-Trans 4 is noticeably worse. They really struggle with magenta and yellow in all of this generation of cameras, giving them some of the worst skin hues so far. X-T3 and X-T30 are the worst offenders, but the X-T4 and X-T30II didn't fully resolve the issue either. It's why a lot of people didn't care to upgrade when the X-T3 came out, the improvements were pretty incrementally small and the colours were worse.
@alexradu4233Ай бұрын
Yea, Kris, I started with X-M1 and took some really good photos on that little camera in good daylight. Then I got the X-T2, and that has some magic color I still appreciate to this day. Then I got the X100V and now X-T5. I’ve been pretty happy with all of them to be honest, but in terms of color rendition probably some secret sauce on that X-T2, dunno. I’m certainly not as picky as you are when it comes to color. 😊. Btw, read your blogs a while back when I discovered you on Flickr. I’ve been to Copenhagen back in 94 and I’m longing to come back and re-visit and reminisce the times when I was still a young man. And, I really love your photos; some of them bring me back that Copenhagen longing and nostalgia, for sure. 👍
@hopeless4everАй бұрын
I don't know what raw converter you're using, but for pleasing - not necessarily accurate - colors, you should try Mamiya's old Photo Studio software. Arcsoft's PhotoStudio Darkroom and Darkroom 2 do a good job. Capture One can be OK, and Lightroom is in the last place. Nothing really beats that Kodak sensor, but enthusiasts on Russian forums (now defunct, sadly) have made DCP color profiles for ACR/Lightroom that come very close. Not every camera's rendition can be transformed with color profiling, but this is one is surprisingly versatile if one has the proper charts, software, and skill. I had the Mamiya ZD camera - not the digital back - and had problems with strong color cast, but I enjoyed its images otherwise.
@KristofferTrolleАй бұрын
Ah yes would love to try Mamiya Photo Studio, you don't have a copy to share? I was using a mix of Adobe and Capture One
@novainvictaАй бұрын
You get what you pay for! The R8 is a really stripped down version of the R6 MKII using a smaller battery, no IBIS, lower video spec. The cheaper RF lenses I would agree are “average” the only exception being the RF 35mm f1.8 and the RF 100-400mm f5.6-f8 which for the money is a really good lens. The flip out screen is very effective and I don’t know what your issue is nobody else complains about it.
@drewcigna8197Ай бұрын
Great video! I own a Contax G2, Aria & 167MT. The Zeiss glass is absolutely incredible for the Aria & 167MT. I truly think this is one of the best daily carry cameras. I haven't explored much into the c/y mount sigma glass but I'm sure it's good!!
@tomislavstanich9379Ай бұрын
Yes, endeed.
@aaronmelson28872 ай бұрын
I purchased this camera as my first mirrorless and love it. I am a beginner videographer/photographer so this is perfect for me. I have it with the RF-S 10-18. I know that lens is better suited for the APS-c line of cameras but the RF lenses that work with full frame are expensive as hell. The one I was looking at was the 14-35 and that thing is $1300 and I have not seen them cheaper on the used market for less than $1000. This 10-18 works perfect for me so I am very happy. But I like to hear other peoples perspective on this camera.
@Smart-Alex2 ай бұрын
Depends on the use case. A beginner may think it’s a pro cam. A pro may think it’s a beginner cam. Different strokes…
@eneqvist2 ай бұрын
Modigt :)
@user-li7lt8jw7t2 ай бұрын
awesome! If you don't mind, I'd like to see a review of the dcs proback.
@KristofferTrolle2 ай бұрын
Thank you, I will do that soon
@findefuchs2 ай бұрын
I have absolutely no idea and actually no interest in old large format cameras but still enjoyed the video and it aroused interest!
@Nearest_Neighbor2 ай бұрын
Cheers.
@geiranders702 ай бұрын
Nice and useful walkthrough! Worked with the Nikon FM2 and F3s back in the days - now I’m all about cameras being small and convenient, while still delivering top notch quality. Have my eyes on the Aria with the 45/2.8, loved to hear you describe the viewfinder experience. As the camera really has next to nothing to do with the image quality directly, what I need from the black box is nice handling and sweet viewfinders 😎
@aaronmartin16452 ай бұрын
Amazing! Wow thanks so much. Very interesting. Definitely worth checking the blog post! Amazing Pictures!
@thebentzenable2 ай бұрын
Glæder mig meget til at få min Canon R8. Har solgt min Lumix S5 så jeg er tæt på at have råd😃 har adapteren EF til RF og 4 objektiver fra min gamle 5Diii. Glæder mig til at komme tilbage til Canon 😊🤞
@KristofferTrolle2 ай бұрын
Lyder godt, håber ikke jeg har ødelagt stemningen med min hater video 😁 Hvad med Lumix S5, det var ikke det værd?
@thebentzenable2 ай бұрын
@@KristofferTrolle Jeg tror du har ganske ret i dine overvejelser om R8. Jeg er desværre ikke et sted hvor jeg har råd til at være alt for kræsen 😅 S5 var fantastisk på alle måder, men jeg har brug for den bedste autofokus til video, så jeg bliver nødt til at vælge Canon da jeg allerede har 4 objektiver og en EF-RF adapter i skabet 😊
@TerraThink2 ай бұрын
I upgraded my Canon EOS RP to the R8, and I'm loving it. Most of the weaknesses of the RP were fixed in the R8 (fast autofocus, better iso performance, shooting speed, video quality etc.) Love the images straight out of camera even. I use it with the RF 35mm f1.8.
@pranoyrai12162 ай бұрын
Howz the dynamic range and color science? Evem m planning to upgrade from rp to r8
@eesuuorundide3 ай бұрын
You might wanna check out the RX or the ST.
@tomislavstanich93793 ай бұрын
Problem with all CONTAX camera systems is the fact that is is living fosile or dead system,, whatever that means. The electronics is too fragile and unpredictable, but also the least reliable. Get the speare body or camera from other brand with the lens adapter to use the ZEISS- CONTAX lenses that you already own. My two cents.
@kleanish3 ай бұрын
or just get another body
@ST-gp8inАй бұрын
true, but owning a Contax body is undeniably an added cool factor (until it breaks)
@brianzoowabАй бұрын
Or use adapter on any of the newer mirrorless cameras.
@kleanishАй бұрын
@@brianzoowab 🤨
@rodp78033 ай бұрын
I use an R8 in conjunction with an ef 500 f4 and some sigma art (1.4-1.8) mostly for action shots with dogs and wildlife and I think this camera has good results in these conditions. You are not wrong about the lens situation, not at all haha
@p_adam194 ай бұрын
Interesting take, I like honest opinions like this. As a current R6 and R6 Mark II owner, I kind of want to try an R8 just to verify these claims. I think an RF 24-105mm f/4L is a good one to try to get better rendering without getting big and heavy. I'm sort of with you on RAW colour (I think a lot of it is just Adobe's fault, because JPEG seems good, I don't get this, but old cameras like the Nikon D700 have fantastic colours even in Adobe software), but I think the video looks really excellent, once you customise the profiles a bit. My favourite in the system is probably an R5 with an RF 28-70mm f/2L lens that I am gravitating back towards. Heavy, but I got used to it, covers almost all my needs in one go, so not that expensive in that regard, with nice rendering. An EOS R is worth looking at also, preferred the look and feel of that to the R6, even though other aspects are less refined. A few other points to note, after Canon, any other camera interface and menu system seems cumbersome to use. They also seem to be very resilient to usage marks or reliability issues.
@FyahAlex4 күн бұрын
We can't dispute that Canon R's system needs to open up access to 3rd party manufacturers, but that aside...the R8 is fantastic.
@p_adam194 күн бұрын
@@FyahAlex I don't mind as long as they provide some compensation for it. They just did a fire sale on the R8 to just 870€, super low on a modern, compact full-frame body, undercutting the competition by quite a bit on price, and there is an adequate amount of budget lenses to choose from. I would prefer IBIS and easier handling etc. on the R6 line. But it's hard to argue with the fact that most of the time, images are practically identical to the R6 Mark II, meaning they are excellent.
@FyahAlex4 күн бұрын
@@p_adam19 Amen!
@ionluv6 ай бұрын
Just bought one with two 1.4 lenses. I use an f4 so I doubt the size is something I’ll notice.
@jamiegray324510 ай бұрын
I am currently bidding on an RTS III, I don't think I'll go over £100 though. I have the RX which I'm fairly happy with. I do like the sound of the film vacuum in the RTS III, it was designed to hold the film flat against the pressure plate. Apparently you do notice the difference when you have a wide aperture, everything is uniformly sharp. Maybe that is the buzzing sound you hear? ☺
@KristofferTrolle10 ай бұрын
Interesting, it is a nice camera no doubt just very heavy.
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This was the last pro camera by ATG. Then ATG gone & knocked down Hasselblad & Rolleiflex, ATG's Contax 645. The ATG with AX. ATG/Contax world's first AF using full manual lenses. ATG's father was the genius Yoshihisa Maitani 1. ATG & I suggest to go for the Contax RTS (less automation/can add motor drive) 2. Maitani's Olympus M-1, OM-1, OM-3 3. ATG/Maitani's Olympus OM-4Ti 4. ATG/Canon EOS-1VHSr 5. Pentax LX, assisted by ATG 6. Nikon F3 7. ATG/Canon new F-1 All pro cameras have ATG/Maitani's mirror lock up features Only two cameras (based on above) have ATG's finders M-1, OM-1, OM-3, LX & New F-1 can operate without battery If you have those Japan Zeiss lenses, you can buy ATG's adapters to fit to other brand bodies Any questions/mod/repairs/services, please reply with your email here
Great video, I wonder how hard is to get CCD look from GFX. I have GF50 3.5 and I was pretty disappointed with image, super sharp and that's it.... so im using adopted lenses. RAW files on your site are really helpful.
"The hissing sound, when you turn the camera on" is/could be the sound from the camera winding the film to the first image. It's not a camera fault. I have two RTS III and they make such a ("hissing") sound.
Hmm I don't think so, it's not a mechanical sound, but more some kind of electrical humming, also film rewinded fine. But thanks for the tip
So you bought a camera you knew you would hate, because is has features you dislike/misses features you like? And the one to blame is the manufacturer? So you keep rambling on and on? That sounds really smart.
Couldn't agree. Definitely a trash review.
Review Lens WITHOUT EDITED JPEGs. Should be straight out of the camera.
I love my RX but that is one chunky unit. If I were to buy a second 35mm body, it would probably be the Aria, even though they're pretty expensive for what they are. And I would definitely pair it up with a 45mm f/2.8 Zeiss. I used to run a similar digital setup with my Pentax K5IIs + 40mm f/2.8 Ltd pancake and it was the absolute best vacation camera.
I shot this camera a couple of times. Took accurately exposed photos, and Zeiss lenses are a bonus. I should shoot with it more often but I tend to shoot with the lighter RX or Aria. Paired with the 85mm f1.4 lens, it is really too heavy but every shot comes out beautifully with that combo. Looking to try longer lenses. Any suggestions?
Great idea. I wish more people would talk about the colour and contrast changes between generations, I guess it is difficult to pin down because there are also colour and contrast changes between lenses too. 😂 I would rank them like this: 👑 X-Trans 3, I think it's the perfect balance between realistic and stylistic. X-trans 2 is next, but probably only for me - it's extremely stylistic and difficult to manage sometimes, but its vibrant and deep contrast look is just very unique. X-Trans 1 is the opposite of 2, but it has a very unique dreamy soft contrast pastel quality. X-Trans 5, I think it has the least stylization, so if you don't like Fujifilm's more extreme looks, the newest cameras will give you the classic Fujifilm experience but frustrate you less with their most neutral look. 👋 X-Trans 4 is noticeably worse. They really struggle with magenta and yellow in all of this generation of cameras, giving them some of the worst skin hues so far. X-T3 and X-T30 are the worst offenders, but the X-T4 and X-T30II didn't fully resolve the issue either. It's why a lot of people didn't care to upgrade when the X-T3 came out, the improvements were pretty incrementally small and the colours were worse.
Yea, Kris, I started with X-M1 and took some really good photos on that little camera in good daylight. Then I got the X-T2, and that has some magic color I still appreciate to this day. Then I got the X100V and now X-T5. I’ve been pretty happy with all of them to be honest, but in terms of color rendition probably some secret sauce on that X-T2, dunno. I’m certainly not as picky as you are when it comes to color. 😊. Btw, read your blogs a while back when I discovered you on Flickr. I’ve been to Copenhagen back in 94 and I’m longing to come back and re-visit and reminisce the times when I was still a young man. And, I really love your photos; some of them bring me back that Copenhagen longing and nostalgia, for sure. 👍
I don't know what raw converter you're using, but for pleasing - not necessarily accurate - colors, you should try Mamiya's old Photo Studio software. Arcsoft's PhotoStudio Darkroom and Darkroom 2 do a good job. Capture One can be OK, and Lightroom is in the last place. Nothing really beats that Kodak sensor, but enthusiasts on Russian forums (now defunct, sadly) have made DCP color profiles for ACR/Lightroom that come very close. Not every camera's rendition can be transformed with color profiling, but this is one is surprisingly versatile if one has the proper charts, software, and skill. I had the Mamiya ZD camera - not the digital back - and had problems with strong color cast, but I enjoyed its images otherwise.
Ah yes would love to try Mamiya Photo Studio, you don't have a copy to share? I was using a mix of Adobe and Capture One
You get what you pay for! The R8 is a really stripped down version of the R6 MKII using a smaller battery, no IBIS, lower video spec. The cheaper RF lenses I would agree are “average” the only exception being the RF 35mm f1.8 and the RF 100-400mm f5.6-f8 which for the money is a really good lens. The flip out screen is very effective and I don’t know what your issue is nobody else complains about it.
Great video! I own a Contax G2, Aria & 167MT. The Zeiss glass is absolutely incredible for the Aria & 167MT. I truly think this is one of the best daily carry cameras. I haven't explored much into the c/y mount sigma glass but I'm sure it's good!!
Yes, endeed.
I purchased this camera as my first mirrorless and love it. I am a beginner videographer/photographer so this is perfect for me. I have it with the RF-S 10-18. I know that lens is better suited for the APS-c line of cameras but the RF lenses that work with full frame are expensive as hell. The one I was looking at was the 14-35 and that thing is $1300 and I have not seen them cheaper on the used market for less than $1000. This 10-18 works perfect for me so I am very happy. But I like to hear other peoples perspective on this camera.
Depends on the use case. A beginner may think it’s a pro cam. A pro may think it’s a beginner cam. Different strokes…
Modigt :)
awesome! If you don't mind, I'd like to see a review of the dcs proback.
Thank you, I will do that soon
I have absolutely no idea and actually no interest in old large format cameras but still enjoyed the video and it aroused interest!
Cheers.
Nice and useful walkthrough! Worked with the Nikon FM2 and F3s back in the days - now I’m all about cameras being small and convenient, while still delivering top notch quality. Have my eyes on the Aria with the 45/2.8, loved to hear you describe the viewfinder experience. As the camera really has next to nothing to do with the image quality directly, what I need from the black box is nice handling and sweet viewfinders 😎
Amazing! Wow thanks so much. Very interesting. Definitely worth checking the blog post! Amazing Pictures!
Glæder mig meget til at få min Canon R8. Har solgt min Lumix S5 så jeg er tæt på at have råd😃 har adapteren EF til RF og 4 objektiver fra min gamle 5Diii. Glæder mig til at komme tilbage til Canon 😊🤞
Lyder godt, håber ikke jeg har ødelagt stemningen med min hater video 😁 Hvad med Lumix S5, det var ikke det værd?
@@KristofferTrolle Jeg tror du har ganske ret i dine overvejelser om R8. Jeg er desværre ikke et sted hvor jeg har råd til at være alt for kræsen 😅 S5 var fantastisk på alle måder, men jeg har brug for den bedste autofokus til video, så jeg bliver nødt til at vælge Canon da jeg allerede har 4 objektiver og en EF-RF adapter i skabet 😊
I upgraded my Canon EOS RP to the R8, and I'm loving it. Most of the weaknesses of the RP were fixed in the R8 (fast autofocus, better iso performance, shooting speed, video quality etc.) Love the images straight out of camera even. I use it with the RF 35mm f1.8.
Howz the dynamic range and color science? Evem m planning to upgrade from rp to r8
You might wanna check out the RX or the ST.
Problem with all CONTAX camera systems is the fact that is is living fosile or dead system,, whatever that means. The electronics is too fragile and unpredictable, but also the least reliable. Get the speare body or camera from other brand with the lens adapter to use the ZEISS- CONTAX lenses that you already own. My two cents.
or just get another body
true, but owning a Contax body is undeniably an added cool factor (until it breaks)
Or use adapter on any of the newer mirrorless cameras.
@@brianzoowab 🤨
I use an R8 in conjunction with an ef 500 f4 and some sigma art (1.4-1.8) mostly for action shots with dogs and wildlife and I think this camera has good results in these conditions. You are not wrong about the lens situation, not at all haha
Interesting take, I like honest opinions like this. As a current R6 and R6 Mark II owner, I kind of want to try an R8 just to verify these claims. I think an RF 24-105mm f/4L is a good one to try to get better rendering without getting big and heavy. I'm sort of with you on RAW colour (I think a lot of it is just Adobe's fault, because JPEG seems good, I don't get this, but old cameras like the Nikon D700 have fantastic colours even in Adobe software), but I think the video looks really excellent, once you customise the profiles a bit. My favourite in the system is probably an R5 with an RF 28-70mm f/2L lens that I am gravitating back towards. Heavy, but I got used to it, covers almost all my needs in one go, so not that expensive in that regard, with nice rendering. An EOS R is worth looking at also, preferred the look and feel of that to the R6, even though other aspects are less refined. A few other points to note, after Canon, any other camera interface and menu system seems cumbersome to use. They also seem to be very resilient to usage marks or reliability issues.
We can't dispute that Canon R's system needs to open up access to 3rd party manufacturers, but that aside...the R8 is fantastic.
@@FyahAlex I don't mind as long as they provide some compensation for it. They just did a fire sale on the R8 to just 870€, super low on a modern, compact full-frame body, undercutting the competition by quite a bit on price, and there is an adequate amount of budget lenses to choose from. I would prefer IBIS and easier handling etc. on the R6 line. But it's hard to argue with the fact that most of the time, images are practically identical to the R6 Mark II, meaning they are excellent.
@@p_adam19 Amen!
Just bought one with two 1.4 lenses. I use an f4 so I doubt the size is something I’ll notice.
I am currently bidding on an RTS III, I don't think I'll go over £100 though. I have the RX which I'm fairly happy with. I do like the sound of the film vacuum in the RTS III, it was designed to hold the film flat against the pressure plate. Apparently you do notice the difference when you have a wide aperture, everything is uniformly sharp. Maybe that is the buzzing sound you hear? ☺
Interesting, it is a nice camera no doubt just very heavy.
Beautiful 😍