2 years later, and it seems like Canyon has not fixed the issue with their size chart and "Find Your Size" feature. I know for a fact that I'm supposed to be in a large bike, but Canyon is recommending me a medium. The setup & sizing issues are the price we pay for an affordable bike. Like they say, "If it's too good to be true, it more than likely is".
@Kaylothegreat8 ай бұрын
Hello! I’ve been worried if i get a small Spectral ON that it would be too small. I’m 167cm and inseam of 72. Should i get a S or M?
@tooFATtoRIDE9 ай бұрын
Epic running commentary!!!
@mtxvtt-ib8gm9 ай бұрын
Pour les "French lines" dans Venosc, tu devrais visionner le run du premier E Bike. Juste hallucinant tout ce qu'il coupe
@BastienChanot9 ай бұрын
Bonne idée !!
@phantombigballs81659 ай бұрын
Curious what are your measurements
@phantombigballs81659 ай бұрын
Im having the same issue with canyon.... i want a spectral ON.... they insist im a small but the reach os so small short 435 .... my trek rail is M with a 450 reach and i find that a bit short!
@SpykeHellboy10 ай бұрын
i had the same issue when i wanted to order my first canyon full suspension a few months ago, i was between neuron and spectral. The calculator and the charts showed me that i needed and S neuron and an M Spectral (M was the smallest size for spectral). I am also 1.7m and i spent like weeks trying to find out which bike fits the best. On the charts i was like towards the end of the S and near the start of the M so i decided to buy the Spectral M 29. I agree with you now, probably the neuron with 430 reach would have been a lot smaller, the M Spectral has a 456 reach. Kudos to all the MTB pros out there on ytb that recommended to size up if you are between sizes for a mtb !
@pitfrr10 ай бұрын
Nice ! 😃
@wolfiereimold1993 Жыл бұрын
Promo>SM 😅
@BastienChanot Жыл бұрын
?
@septemberwolke7813 Жыл бұрын
An für sich ein tolles Rennen aber weniger "Reden" wäre besser gewesen. Hättest mehr Puste zum Radeln gehabt...😅
@BastienChanot Жыл бұрын
aaah there's nothing like having somme good anonymous german speaking trolls on one's channel. thanks for the your comment my friend, helps with the algo!
@philippemasnada4842 Жыл бұрын
Sympa les vidéo! Au plaisirs de se refaire une bourre ensemble. Phil #2013
@BastienChanot Жыл бұрын
Pareillement !
@patmeaudre Жыл бұрын
Super sympa et bonne journée demain
@BastienChanot Жыл бұрын
Merci à toi aussi 🎉
@zOldDude Жыл бұрын
What's the difference between Rockrider 530 women and men versions? They both have S/M/L sizes. Is there any differences besides color scheme? Thanks
@Charlie-sr6dv Жыл бұрын
That's the best bicycle review I've seen on KZread, and I have seen a lot. Really comprehensive and expert. Thank you.
@hadikersho6878 Жыл бұрын
i wanna ask as a male which are the best ? and in my country the man version cheaper than the women version, am a little bit confused
@mountainbikingaz7261 Жыл бұрын
Very helpful review, thank you. As I've gotten back into mountain biking and am learning about the latest products, Canyon has been on my list. Your level of detail was great.
@gabotify Жыл бұрын
I ended up getting a size M (I'm 179cm tall with an inseam of 83cm). Most brands would recomend a longer bike and I think they are correct. The size M feels good on flatter terrain, easy to bunny hop and manual, however, once it gets steep and fast I start to feel like I'm on top of the bike rather than in the bike. I haven't tried the size L, so i cannot say for sure that I would like its compromises better (less agile), there's still the chance that if rode both bikes I would end up prefering to give up the stability of the size L for the maneuverability of the size M since I'm not trying to win any races and I do like how agile the bike is when I'm not riding the gnarly stuff. The one time I went to a race on a very steep and technical track I felt like I had to lean very far back to keep the rear tire on the ground, which was very tiring. Also, the 150mm dropper post is too short for me, I plan to get a 180mm dropper. In short, if you are close to my size and care more for the fast and gnarly descents, definitely go for the large. But if you intend to use the bike on flatter and flowier terrain, maybe the medium will be enough bike for you. Still, if I could go back I would definitely try to find a bike with similar geometry to test it before buying.
@karlxu782 Жыл бұрын
after reading all the common, I figure 180cm or 5"11 guys really have hard time to find a bike that fits. I actually have 2 hardtails, one is M with 450 reach, another is L with 470 reach, honestly, both bikes feel wrong in certain situations. the L feels great on general riding, both climb or down, but a bit uncomfortable cruising on flat or initiate manual or bunny hop. The Medium one feels great on concrete or hiking trails, but a bit on edge when riding challenging tech stuff , feels too over the front wheel when descending, front wheel has the tendency to lift when climb, and handle bar are too close to legs in corner.
@finroddd Жыл бұрын
Yeah, downsizing is a problem. I made same mistake as you with the Propain. I bought frame size S and I do not like it at all at the descends. These size calculators are not reliable unfortunately. good luck with your next bike and thanks for your good and detailed reviews.
@RF-kz2sz9 ай бұрын
Hello how tall are you ? Im 170 cm leaning towards a small
@finroddd9 ай бұрын
@@RF-kz2sz Hi there - I am about 171cm and size M, 29' wheels fits me perfectly.
@quban79 Жыл бұрын
Im considering grabbing the '22 spectral coming from a norco optic in large (480 reach) which, if i had my time again (and went with Norcos sizing) i woulda bought in XL as i find it a tad small..BUT Going by canyons sizing it puts me bang in the middle of a size large? with the same reach as my optic that i feel is on the small size so yeah Canyon really needs to do something about their sizing as im sure your not the only person with the same problem... TBH gotta go with reach/ wheelbase numbers more than whoever's sizing charts but yes no less frustrating
@BastienChanot Жыл бұрын
Fair enough
@unalteredcapture Жыл бұрын
Very detailed review… i’m wondering what did you buy instead of the Spectral?
@BastienChanot Жыл бұрын
Yéti SB150 T2, absolute wonder of a bike
@unalteredcapture Жыл бұрын
@@BastienChanot cool! Will look into it! 😃
@laurentlcz3641 Жыл бұрын
Bonjour, Merci pour cette analyse détaillée. Cela fait justement un moment que je lorgne sur le Spectral CF 7, et j’ai été assez surpris de voir les recommandations de tailles sur leur site… Donc depuis 2 sem je me mange le cerveau quant au choix de la taille. S ou M… Autant dire que ta vidéo tombe à pic ! Je fais 1m69, 81 d'entre jambe (un gabarit assez proche du tiens:). Quelques jours/an en bike park, mais une pratique moins engagé que la tienne visiblement, et je tiens fortement à l'efficacité au pédalage... Je présume que tu conseilleras donc le M également ?? Penses-tu que la perte de maniabilité est très importante au final ? J'ai actuellement un Trek Remedy 8 en M et 27.5, donc sensiblement plus short. J'imagine que choisir, c'est aussi renoncer... En tout cas merci
@BastienChanot Жыл бұрын
Hello Laurent ! 100% M pour toi, +30% de stabilité et peut être -3% de maniabilité, je t’en parle car gabarit identique effectivement, tu peux y aller les yeux fermés. Et si ça ne convient pas Canyon accepte les retours sous 14j dans le pire des cas mais je n’imagine pas que ça puisse t’arriver
@imbaguitar Жыл бұрын
I got the men's version of this bike, and it had mechanical disc brakes not hydraulic
@valit8517 Жыл бұрын
Yea they are different versions. Almost bought the wrong one.
@sandissmirnov5835 Жыл бұрын
Which version is best?
@BastienChanot Жыл бұрын
Hydrolic
@josemarquez19012 жыл бұрын
Looking at a used spectral 7 in medium for half the price right now I’m 170cm tall and inseam is 78 Website says I’m a small but comparing the two to my current bike it’s very similar to the medium ! Should I go for it ?
@BastienChanot2 жыл бұрын
I used to own a spectral 7 in M, I’m the same size as you and it was perfect
@bobhufocm2 жыл бұрын
Their size calculator suggested a medium and I ordered the XL. The xl fits me perfect but will need a shorter dropper because the 200mm is slightly too tall. Glad I ordered the xl.
@AmanSingh-us7bc2 жыл бұрын
Hello, Im going to buy this bike soon. I just wanted to ask about how loud the rear hub sounds?
@kxngklizhy91852 жыл бұрын
Ill train hard and I hope I can see you in a few years on the mountail of hell! Looked great :)
@BastienChanot2 жыл бұрын
Would be a pleasure!
@PanMikolaj2 жыл бұрын
Probably the best bike review, that I've ever seen on YT. You should change your bikes more often :)
@BastienChanot2 жыл бұрын
Thanks that’s really nice! I wish I could!
@RBBBBBBBBB5332 жыл бұрын
Professionally done video. You deserve more subscribers! Would you say this drivetrain is reliable? Shimano drivetrains have very good reviews, but I’ve not seen many reviews of this one.
@BastienChanot2 жыл бұрын
Thanks a lot! I couldn’t say my girlfriend mostly used that to commute with low expectations… I wish I could tell you more
@quiqueneutze34362 жыл бұрын
Hi mate, did you order the gnardog token? Could you share your shock settings?
@BastienChanot2 жыл бұрын
It was already maxed out with the Gnardog actually, just slowed the rebound by one or two clicks with 25% SAG
@peregrauparellada2 жыл бұрын
Hi Bastien, i'm interested in buy this bike. I'm 1'75 tall and my legs just 80cm. On the sizes tablet of Canyon my size is M, but Canyon recomends me the size S. Which is tour legs length? Just to be sure about my size. Thanks a lot!!! And really good Job with the review!!!!
@BastienChanot2 жыл бұрын
Thanks so much for your comment, I’m glad you appreciated the review. My legs instream is 79cm. I would absolutely 100% go for the medium in regards to your proportions. Let us know what you choose and how it rides
@peregrauparellada2 жыл бұрын
@@BastienChanot Thank you for your answer, It helps me a lot!! Off course i'll tell you my choose and sensations but we have to wait until summer. Thanks and regards!!
@millsshumps19682 жыл бұрын
Crazy. I wouldn't risk doing that night trail stuff, in the event you crash and hurt yourself with no one to come to your aid. Still respect for doing this this. How cold was it out there. Gotta be 0C or minus.
@BastienChanot2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching and for your comment! Yes it may have been -2degC
@reynaldoruizmartinez94892 жыл бұрын
I’m in the same boat as you, only have ridden hardtails and i’m 169-170 cm in height, inseam of 80.5cm and 177-178cm wingspan. My hardtail is a size medium an feels slightly short when pedaling, the size Small has a 20 mm shorter top tube so i’m going to feel cramped. My final decision is to go with size medium and put 2 extra 10mm spacers under the stem, that should reduce reach to 450 aprox and should be spot on.
@RACCHIETTO2 жыл бұрын
I have the same measurements as you and got an S, i've had the chance to ride it twice and i love it!
@Quicomtb2 жыл бұрын
Hey Reynaldo, any feedback of the bike?
@TLFaun2 жыл бұрын
Reach formula : height x 2.5 - and upsize from there. If the number is 450 - go for 460/470 bike
@BastienChanot2 жыл бұрын
Doesn’t work for me : 169 > 422 > 435 (S) >> WAY too short after testing, 460 (M) is perfect though
@domanater4802 жыл бұрын
literally the best bike review i've ever seen!
@BastienChanot2 жыл бұрын
Thanks a lot Nic!
@domanater4802 жыл бұрын
@@BastienChanot Do you still own this bike or on something different?
@BastienChanot2 жыл бұрын
It was too long for me, a pure race bike. I now ride a yeti SB150 t2 size medium with 460mm reach and it’s just perfect for me.
@domanater4802 жыл бұрын
@@BastienChanot oh ok that’s what I was afraid of, was concidering building up a frame with the meta am but I still ride a lot of general trails not just gnarly downhill stuff. Also lots of climbing to. I may get a torque/spectral they seem great value for money and I have always wanted a carbon bike
@petesahad30282 жыл бұрын
Thanks for this informative video. I'm the same size and already had too short of a Canyon bike. What i find weird about the size chart on their website is for size S they state only <175cm,which is a big range of bodyheights and not even a minimum. I ordered the new spectral mullet in M today after ignoring the recommended size. Let's hope for the best
@BastienChanot2 жыл бұрын
I’m sure you’ll be stoked with M. let us know
@petesahad30282 жыл бұрын
@@BastienChanot Hey i'm back. So size M fits just perfectly, i'm 168cm with 78 inseam,so i'm 7 cm too short for the minimum for M according to Canyon 😁 i'm even running a 180mm dropperpost now with another 2cm space to the seat tube. It's very stable yet playful with these short chain stays and 27,5 rear wheel. Thanks again for your video.
@BastienChanot2 жыл бұрын
Awesome Pete thanks for getting back to us! Stoked for you that the M fits, I was almost certain it would be the case. You’re mentioning a 27,5 rear so you ordered the mullet version? Cheers!
@ericchabert51722 жыл бұрын
Excellent ll éclairage
@BastienChanot2 жыл бұрын
Il est génial, c'est le Hope R8+
@13thbornpr2 жыл бұрын
I wanted this bike so much. It checked all the boxes and the price is amazing. I noticed right away that the sizing on the website was off. I'm 175 cm and the numbers on the small didnt look right to me at all. I still wrote to customer service and it took a couple days before i had an answer but they assured me i was small size frame. I wanted to get to the bottom of this. Luckily a guy i know received his small size spectral. As soon as i sat on the bike i knew the size was completely wrong for me. Also his brakes were'nt bled properly. The weight of the bike felt uneven when lifting it up. And that plastic spacer on the headset. Wtf is that! Apparently it causes problems and scratches the frame (vibrates) if you dont change it out. I was so turned off by it all already. Not to mention Canyon has had frame problems in the past. Now seeing reddits from unlucky customers with frame issues on 2020 models and Canyon not honoring their warranty. This review also adds more to it all. I mean its a pretty bad mistake to push wrong sizing on direct consumer sales. I'm steering clear of this company. I feel like i dodged a massive bullet. Something that seems too good to be true usually is.
@mauromenegolli2022 жыл бұрын
Thanks for your consideration, I'm your same height of you but I'm still worried to choose the medium spectral. I think the real issue is that Canyon didn't consider to made a sort of s/m size. I own a mondraker dune and I've never fallen in love with it because it's way to long in medium size, I don't wanna make the same mistake. For my taste, 450mm is the right reach to get a nimble bike but still planted and centered. I have a Bird zero tr hardtail that fits like a glove on me, 447 reach
@gesmondfarrugia55062 жыл бұрын
will go for small size frame
@Quicomtb2 жыл бұрын
What size did you ordered after all? Any feedback?
@mauromenegolli2022 жыл бұрын
I had the opportunity to try both and I will buy the M size
@Quicomtb2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the answer! With the size M was it still easy to manouver and do manuals and bunny hops?
@b4bnik2 жыл бұрын
What happened to ur vids? Did you get a new bike after the canyon?
@ytdex2102 жыл бұрын
Ok
@BastienChanot2 жыл бұрын
Yup.
@richardroskell34522 жыл бұрын
Excellent review Bastien. Lots of good points to consider.
@ari-ts3yf2 жыл бұрын
Hi! Great video. Thanks for your great review. I'm really unsure which size I should order. I'm 188cm and 82 cm inseam. It recommends a M but when I change it to 83 cm its a L. What would you choose?
@BastienChanot2 жыл бұрын
I’d go large without a doubt
@juffkasvennsson4609 Жыл бұрын
Same Size. What did you choose and how does it feel?
@franckylaglisseable2 жыл бұрын
Oulala ça pue le français qui parle anglais
@BastienChanot2 жыл бұрын
Kenny, Eric Cartman…
@fuckfakenews60862 жыл бұрын
I have no knowledge about setting up the bike suspension in a way it is balances as Bastien mentioned in his video. Is there any tutorial one could recommend? I have just bought the Spectral 6...
@fuckfakenews60862 жыл бұрын
Hi Bastien . I'm about the same size like you. 170 cm tall and 80 cm inseam. The website tool the Canyon gives on their website is a kind of poor. Since I live nearby Koblenz, I went there to try the S and M sizes. First of all, I realized that the inseam i measured myself was about 76 cm instead of 80 cm measured at Canyon. But still with 80 cm I was the S size. Putting 81 to their sizing tool showed the size M.... Then I tried S and M. The S was kind of short and really unstable in turns. To get the handle bar I had to move myself by about 5cm from the neutral position so the sitting position was such that from the start I was falling on my face. The M size was a different story, simply much more comfortable in any aspect. Being 170 cm tall and 80 cm inseam, please go for M not S. The conclusion I made is following:buing the bike online and being in the middle between sizes is on your own risk. Doing that you should be smarter than the folks making that sizing tools on any online seller websites. Ask on forums, YT before clicking the "buy" button. You are blaming Canyon for the poor sizing tool but in my case (buying the first MTB in my life) the better website would not help at all in case I'm in between the sizes. I'm not sure what you would then recommend in this case to a buyer and seller. I don't thing this is easy without trying the bike...
@LikeAStickOfDynamite2 жыл бұрын
I just ordered a 2022 Spectral 29 CF 9. Website kept telling me I'm a Small at 175cm w/ ~81cm inseam. I've ordered the Medium regardless, as it just seemed completely off. Hoping I made the right choice.
@pronemanoldbutyoung55482 жыл бұрын
Let me set the record straight. In order to win the Mountain of Hell, the most important factor is that you need to have a really cool sounding name. Like Damien or Killian or even two first names will do the trick, like Stefan Peter. This is paramount to even have a shot at the top 5 places. If you dont believe me, look at the surfer competetive community in comparison. All the winners are named Brody, Chad and so on. The same effect applies to the extreme mountain bike competetive community. There, I am happy to share my knowledge.
@onevision22032 жыл бұрын
moon tane bike!
@GD-uv6lc2 жыл бұрын
You had the opportunity to compare measurements against a YT and a Meta you have owned and still you ordered against your own common sense. As if your reach or inseam might have miraculously shortened. Blaming canyon about it would have been understandable if you had to order blind like many of us do, but I feel this is really a rant. I do agree Canyon should follow the specialised sizing guidelines. That is better. Some people fall between sizes, but this you also knew... and just couldn't wait a few extra months for a size M. You can send it back, fantastic right?! get over it.
@BastienChanot2 жыл бұрын
Happy we agree on what direction Canyon should take for the measurements! At the time or ordering the delays were the same for the S and M. I ordered based on both the website and their customer service phone agents. Your point about my own experience is a bit fallacious as I could have ordered a size outside of their recommendations and if I’d also complained about it you could as well have told me that I should have complied with their guide 👈. My (our) job, as customers (or prosumers) is to trust a brand on their expertise. As advanced as I am i don’t have the pretentious attitude of thinking I know what’s the absolute best for me against an army of engineers. Most brands get it right, Canyon didn’t. As their recommendations is fundamentally flawed despite our trust then we should point it out - which I did. Feel free to see how many people followed my recommendation about the size and are super grateful. None of them actually complained but few like you have been judgmental for no reason. If my mistake helped others avoid it then I’m pretty glad I did it. You’re welcome.
@GD-uv6lc2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the fast reply. The argument is flawed. An army of engineers does not know your dimensions and preferences, only you do. It is absurd to trust a tool that only takes 2 measurements especially when you may fall between sizes. It is great that you have helped people not make the same mistake. You could have done that in a one minute video though and not the rant that I subjected myself only to conclude: overall the bike is great, be careful on size.
@BastienChanot2 жыл бұрын
I didn't only trust the tool; I also took the time to contact their customer service both by phone and email. Their answers were categoric and wrong on the 3 channels despite explaining my situation, previous and prefered bikes etc. Also; how absurd is it to trust (or judge) a tool (or a CS team) requiring 2 measurements and getting you a consistently wrong answer when others like YT or Propain gives you the right recommendation and all the subtilities that goes with it with only 1 measurement and 1 chart? Sorry but no excuse for Canyon here when others are doing a better job with less data. As per the length of the video it is thoroughly decomposed by chapters to avoid anyone spending more time than needed on specific issues; being positives or negatives about the bike. You could also have jumped directly on the conclusion. I'm talking about much more than just the size here.
@GD-uv6lc2 жыл бұрын
I should get the last word right? Thanks for your efforts, clearly you are nice and committed guy. I mean no offense. Just get fed up a blame culture. I think we should all learn to rely on ourselves better and stop blaming others, especially via media where the impact can be disproportionately large. Shame Canyon lost you, I am struggling to find anything that comes even close when comparing apples for apples. Me, I need the XL, or maybe if they made it the XXL.
@BastienChanot2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for this exchange G D, I appreciate the time and respectful approach you took to comment here. I agree with the blame culture that's why it's a shame that they couldn't just push me the right size so I'd kept the bike as I would have. I agree that the value is immense with this Spectral 29 and that its qualities are real especially on the CF8 as it can be pushed hard, and those sweet carbon rims may not be up to the task. I'm lucky my LBS had a T2 Yeti SB150 size M that they sold me at -30%. I couldn't be happier with it. Hope the bike will suit you well and that you'll enjoy it as much as it's humanly possible!
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2 years later, and it seems like Canyon has not fixed the issue with their size chart and "Find Your Size" feature. I know for a fact that I'm supposed to be in a large bike, but Canyon is recommending me a medium. The setup & sizing issues are the price we pay for an affordable bike. Like they say, "If it's too good to be true, it more than likely is".
Hello! I’ve been worried if i get a small Spectral ON that it would be too small. I’m 167cm and inseam of 72. Should i get a S or M?
Epic running commentary!!!
Pour les "French lines" dans Venosc, tu devrais visionner le run du premier E Bike. Juste hallucinant tout ce qu'il coupe
Bonne idée !!
Curious what are your measurements
Im having the same issue with canyon.... i want a spectral ON.... they insist im a small but the reach os so small short 435 .... my trek rail is M with a 450 reach and i find that a bit short!
i had the same issue when i wanted to order my first canyon full suspension a few months ago, i was between neuron and spectral. The calculator and the charts showed me that i needed and S neuron and an M Spectral (M was the smallest size for spectral). I am also 1.7m and i spent like weeks trying to find out which bike fits the best. On the charts i was like towards the end of the S and near the start of the M so i decided to buy the Spectral M 29. I agree with you now, probably the neuron with 430 reach would have been a lot smaller, the M Spectral has a 456 reach. Kudos to all the MTB pros out there on ytb that recommended to size up if you are between sizes for a mtb !
Nice ! 😃
Promo>SM 😅
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An für sich ein tolles Rennen aber weniger "Reden" wäre besser gewesen. Hättest mehr Puste zum Radeln gehabt...😅
aaah there's nothing like having somme good anonymous german speaking trolls on one's channel. thanks for the your comment my friend, helps with the algo!
Sympa les vidéo! Au plaisirs de se refaire une bourre ensemble. Phil #2013
Pareillement !
Super sympa et bonne journée demain
Merci à toi aussi 🎉
What's the difference between Rockrider 530 women and men versions? They both have S/M/L sizes. Is there any differences besides color scheme? Thanks
That's the best bicycle review I've seen on KZread, and I have seen a lot. Really comprehensive and expert. Thank you.
i wanna ask as a male which are the best ? and in my country the man version cheaper than the women version, am a little bit confused
Very helpful review, thank you. As I've gotten back into mountain biking and am learning about the latest products, Canyon has been on my list. Your level of detail was great.
I ended up getting a size M (I'm 179cm tall with an inseam of 83cm). Most brands would recomend a longer bike and I think they are correct. The size M feels good on flatter terrain, easy to bunny hop and manual, however, once it gets steep and fast I start to feel like I'm on top of the bike rather than in the bike. I haven't tried the size L, so i cannot say for sure that I would like its compromises better (less agile), there's still the chance that if rode both bikes I would end up prefering to give up the stability of the size L for the maneuverability of the size M since I'm not trying to win any races and I do like how agile the bike is when I'm not riding the gnarly stuff. The one time I went to a race on a very steep and technical track I felt like I had to lean very far back to keep the rear tire on the ground, which was very tiring. Also, the 150mm dropper post is too short for me, I plan to get a 180mm dropper. In short, if you are close to my size and care more for the fast and gnarly descents, definitely go for the large. But if you intend to use the bike on flatter and flowier terrain, maybe the medium will be enough bike for you. Still, if I could go back I would definitely try to find a bike with similar geometry to test it before buying.
after reading all the common, I figure 180cm or 5"11 guys really have hard time to find a bike that fits. I actually have 2 hardtails, one is M with 450 reach, another is L with 470 reach, honestly, both bikes feel wrong in certain situations. the L feels great on general riding, both climb or down, but a bit uncomfortable cruising on flat or initiate manual or bunny hop. The Medium one feels great on concrete or hiking trails, but a bit on edge when riding challenging tech stuff , feels too over the front wheel when descending, front wheel has the tendency to lift when climb, and handle bar are too close to legs in corner.
Yeah, downsizing is a problem. I made same mistake as you with the Propain. I bought frame size S and I do not like it at all at the descends. These size calculators are not reliable unfortunately. good luck with your next bike and thanks for your good and detailed reviews.
Hello how tall are you ? Im 170 cm leaning towards a small
@@RF-kz2sz Hi there - I am about 171cm and size M, 29' wheels fits me perfectly.
Im considering grabbing the '22 spectral coming from a norco optic in large (480 reach) which, if i had my time again (and went with Norcos sizing) i woulda bought in XL as i find it a tad small..BUT Going by canyons sizing it puts me bang in the middle of a size large? with the same reach as my optic that i feel is on the small size so yeah Canyon really needs to do something about their sizing as im sure your not the only person with the same problem... TBH gotta go with reach/ wheelbase numbers more than whoever's sizing charts but yes no less frustrating
Fair enough
Very detailed review… i’m wondering what did you buy instead of the Spectral?
Yéti SB150 T2, absolute wonder of a bike
@@BastienChanot cool! Will look into it! 😃
Bonjour, Merci pour cette analyse détaillée. Cela fait justement un moment que je lorgne sur le Spectral CF 7, et j’ai été assez surpris de voir les recommandations de tailles sur leur site… Donc depuis 2 sem je me mange le cerveau quant au choix de la taille. S ou M… Autant dire que ta vidéo tombe à pic ! Je fais 1m69, 81 d'entre jambe (un gabarit assez proche du tiens:). Quelques jours/an en bike park, mais une pratique moins engagé que la tienne visiblement, et je tiens fortement à l'efficacité au pédalage... Je présume que tu conseilleras donc le M également ?? Penses-tu que la perte de maniabilité est très importante au final ? J'ai actuellement un Trek Remedy 8 en M et 27.5, donc sensiblement plus short. J'imagine que choisir, c'est aussi renoncer... En tout cas merci
Hello Laurent ! 100% M pour toi, +30% de stabilité et peut être -3% de maniabilité, je t’en parle car gabarit identique effectivement, tu peux y aller les yeux fermés. Et si ça ne convient pas Canyon accepte les retours sous 14j dans le pire des cas mais je n’imagine pas que ça puisse t’arriver
I got the men's version of this bike, and it had mechanical disc brakes not hydraulic
Yea they are different versions. Almost bought the wrong one.
Which version is best?
Hydrolic
Looking at a used spectral 7 in medium for half the price right now I’m 170cm tall and inseam is 78 Website says I’m a small but comparing the two to my current bike it’s very similar to the medium ! Should I go for it ?
I used to own a spectral 7 in M, I’m the same size as you and it was perfect
Their size calculator suggested a medium and I ordered the XL. The xl fits me perfect but will need a shorter dropper because the 200mm is slightly too tall. Glad I ordered the xl.
Hello, Im going to buy this bike soon. I just wanted to ask about how loud the rear hub sounds?
Ill train hard and I hope I can see you in a few years on the mountail of hell! Looked great :)
Would be a pleasure!
Probably the best bike review, that I've ever seen on YT. You should change your bikes more often :)
Thanks that’s really nice! I wish I could!
Professionally done video. You deserve more subscribers! Would you say this drivetrain is reliable? Shimano drivetrains have very good reviews, but I’ve not seen many reviews of this one.
Thanks a lot! I couldn’t say my girlfriend mostly used that to commute with low expectations… I wish I could tell you more
Hi mate, did you order the gnardog token? Could you share your shock settings?
It was already maxed out with the Gnardog actually, just slowed the rebound by one or two clicks with 25% SAG
Hi Bastien, i'm interested in buy this bike. I'm 1'75 tall and my legs just 80cm. On the sizes tablet of Canyon my size is M, but Canyon recomends me the size S. Which is tour legs length? Just to be sure about my size. Thanks a lot!!! And really good Job with the review!!!!
Thanks so much for your comment, I’m glad you appreciated the review. My legs instream is 79cm. I would absolutely 100% go for the medium in regards to your proportions. Let us know what you choose and how it rides
@@BastienChanot Thank you for your answer, It helps me a lot!! Off course i'll tell you my choose and sensations but we have to wait until summer. Thanks and regards!!
Crazy. I wouldn't risk doing that night trail stuff, in the event you crash and hurt yourself with no one to come to your aid. Still respect for doing this this. How cold was it out there. Gotta be 0C or minus.
Thanks for watching and for your comment! Yes it may have been -2degC
I’m in the same boat as you, only have ridden hardtails and i’m 169-170 cm in height, inseam of 80.5cm and 177-178cm wingspan. My hardtail is a size medium an feels slightly short when pedaling, the size Small has a 20 mm shorter top tube so i’m going to feel cramped. My final decision is to go with size medium and put 2 extra 10mm spacers under the stem, that should reduce reach to 450 aprox and should be spot on.
I have the same measurements as you and got an S, i've had the chance to ride it twice and i love it!
Hey Reynaldo, any feedback of the bike?
Reach formula : height x 2.5 - and upsize from there. If the number is 450 - go for 460/470 bike
Doesn’t work for me : 169 > 422 > 435 (S) >> WAY too short after testing, 460 (M) is perfect though
literally the best bike review i've ever seen!
Thanks a lot Nic!
@@BastienChanot Do you still own this bike or on something different?
It was too long for me, a pure race bike. I now ride a yeti SB150 t2 size medium with 460mm reach and it’s just perfect for me.
@@BastienChanot oh ok that’s what I was afraid of, was concidering building up a frame with the meta am but I still ride a lot of general trails not just gnarly downhill stuff. Also lots of climbing to. I may get a torque/spectral they seem great value for money and I have always wanted a carbon bike
Thanks for this informative video. I'm the same size and already had too short of a Canyon bike. What i find weird about the size chart on their website is for size S they state only <175cm,which is a big range of bodyheights and not even a minimum. I ordered the new spectral mullet in M today after ignoring the recommended size. Let's hope for the best
I’m sure you’ll be stoked with M. let us know
@@BastienChanot Hey i'm back. So size M fits just perfectly, i'm 168cm with 78 inseam,so i'm 7 cm too short for the minimum for M according to Canyon 😁 i'm even running a 180mm dropperpost now with another 2cm space to the seat tube. It's very stable yet playful with these short chain stays and 27,5 rear wheel. Thanks again for your video.
Awesome Pete thanks for getting back to us! Stoked for you that the M fits, I was almost certain it would be the case. You’re mentioning a 27,5 rear so you ordered the mullet version? Cheers!
Excellent ll éclairage
Il est génial, c'est le Hope R8+
I wanted this bike so much. It checked all the boxes and the price is amazing. I noticed right away that the sizing on the website was off. I'm 175 cm and the numbers on the small didnt look right to me at all. I still wrote to customer service and it took a couple days before i had an answer but they assured me i was small size frame. I wanted to get to the bottom of this. Luckily a guy i know received his small size spectral. As soon as i sat on the bike i knew the size was completely wrong for me. Also his brakes were'nt bled properly. The weight of the bike felt uneven when lifting it up. And that plastic spacer on the headset. Wtf is that! Apparently it causes problems and scratches the frame (vibrates) if you dont change it out. I was so turned off by it all already. Not to mention Canyon has had frame problems in the past. Now seeing reddits from unlucky customers with frame issues on 2020 models and Canyon not honoring their warranty. This review also adds more to it all. I mean its a pretty bad mistake to push wrong sizing on direct consumer sales. I'm steering clear of this company. I feel like i dodged a massive bullet. Something that seems too good to be true usually is.
Thanks for your consideration, I'm your same height of you but I'm still worried to choose the medium spectral. I think the real issue is that Canyon didn't consider to made a sort of s/m size. I own a mondraker dune and I've never fallen in love with it because it's way to long in medium size, I don't wanna make the same mistake. For my taste, 450mm is the right reach to get a nimble bike but still planted and centered. I have a Bird zero tr hardtail that fits like a glove on me, 447 reach
will go for small size frame
What size did you ordered after all? Any feedback?
I had the opportunity to try both and I will buy the M size
Thanks for the answer! With the size M was it still easy to manouver and do manuals and bunny hops?
What happened to ur vids? Did you get a new bike after the canyon?
Ok
Yup.
Excellent review Bastien. Lots of good points to consider.
Hi! Great video. Thanks for your great review. I'm really unsure which size I should order. I'm 188cm and 82 cm inseam. It recommends a M but when I change it to 83 cm its a L. What would you choose?
I’d go large without a doubt
Same Size. What did you choose and how does it feel?
Oulala ça pue le français qui parle anglais
Kenny, Eric Cartman…
I have no knowledge about setting up the bike suspension in a way it is balances as Bastien mentioned in his video. Is there any tutorial one could recommend? I have just bought the Spectral 6...
Hi Bastien . I'm about the same size like you. 170 cm tall and 80 cm inseam. The website tool the Canyon gives on their website is a kind of poor. Since I live nearby Koblenz, I went there to try the S and M sizes. First of all, I realized that the inseam i measured myself was about 76 cm instead of 80 cm measured at Canyon. But still with 80 cm I was the S size. Putting 81 to their sizing tool showed the size M.... Then I tried S and M. The S was kind of short and really unstable in turns. To get the handle bar I had to move myself by about 5cm from the neutral position so the sitting position was such that from the start I was falling on my face. The M size was a different story, simply much more comfortable in any aspect. Being 170 cm tall and 80 cm inseam, please go for M not S. The conclusion I made is following:buing the bike online and being in the middle between sizes is on your own risk. Doing that you should be smarter than the folks making that sizing tools on any online seller websites. Ask on forums, YT before clicking the "buy" button. You are blaming Canyon for the poor sizing tool but in my case (buying the first MTB in my life) the better website would not help at all in case I'm in between the sizes. I'm not sure what you would then recommend in this case to a buyer and seller. I don't thing this is easy without trying the bike...
I just ordered a 2022 Spectral 29 CF 9. Website kept telling me I'm a Small at 175cm w/ ~81cm inseam. I've ordered the Medium regardless, as it just seemed completely off. Hoping I made the right choice.
Let me set the record straight. In order to win the Mountain of Hell, the most important factor is that you need to have a really cool sounding name. Like Damien or Killian or even two first names will do the trick, like Stefan Peter. This is paramount to even have a shot at the top 5 places. If you dont believe me, look at the surfer competetive community in comparison. All the winners are named Brody, Chad and so on. The same effect applies to the extreme mountain bike competetive community. There, I am happy to share my knowledge.
moon tane bike!
You had the opportunity to compare measurements against a YT and a Meta you have owned and still you ordered against your own common sense. As if your reach or inseam might have miraculously shortened. Blaming canyon about it would have been understandable if you had to order blind like many of us do, but I feel this is really a rant. I do agree Canyon should follow the specialised sizing guidelines. That is better. Some people fall between sizes, but this you also knew... and just couldn't wait a few extra months for a size M. You can send it back, fantastic right?! get over it.
Happy we agree on what direction Canyon should take for the measurements! At the time or ordering the delays were the same for the S and M. I ordered based on both the website and their customer service phone agents. Your point about my own experience is a bit fallacious as I could have ordered a size outside of their recommendations and if I’d also complained about it you could as well have told me that I should have complied with their guide 👈. My (our) job, as customers (or prosumers) is to trust a brand on their expertise. As advanced as I am i don’t have the pretentious attitude of thinking I know what’s the absolute best for me against an army of engineers. Most brands get it right, Canyon didn’t. As their recommendations is fundamentally flawed despite our trust then we should point it out - which I did. Feel free to see how many people followed my recommendation about the size and are super grateful. None of them actually complained but few like you have been judgmental for no reason. If my mistake helped others avoid it then I’m pretty glad I did it. You’re welcome.
Thanks for the fast reply. The argument is flawed. An army of engineers does not know your dimensions and preferences, only you do. It is absurd to trust a tool that only takes 2 measurements especially when you may fall between sizes. It is great that you have helped people not make the same mistake. You could have done that in a one minute video though and not the rant that I subjected myself only to conclude: overall the bike is great, be careful on size.
I didn't only trust the tool; I also took the time to contact their customer service both by phone and email. Their answers were categoric and wrong on the 3 channels despite explaining my situation, previous and prefered bikes etc. Also; how absurd is it to trust (or judge) a tool (or a CS team) requiring 2 measurements and getting you a consistently wrong answer when others like YT or Propain gives you the right recommendation and all the subtilities that goes with it with only 1 measurement and 1 chart? Sorry but no excuse for Canyon here when others are doing a better job with less data. As per the length of the video it is thoroughly decomposed by chapters to avoid anyone spending more time than needed on specific issues; being positives or negatives about the bike. You could also have jumped directly on the conclusion. I'm talking about much more than just the size here.
I should get the last word right? Thanks for your efforts, clearly you are nice and committed guy. I mean no offense. Just get fed up a blame culture. I think we should all learn to rely on ourselves better and stop blaming others, especially via media where the impact can be disproportionately large. Shame Canyon lost you, I am struggling to find anything that comes even close when comparing apples for apples. Me, I need the XL, or maybe if they made it the XXL.
Thanks for this exchange G D, I appreciate the time and respectful approach you took to comment here. I agree with the blame culture that's why it's a shame that they couldn't just push me the right size so I'd kept the bike as I would have. I agree that the value is immense with this Spectral 29 and that its qualities are real especially on the CF8 as it can be pushed hard, and those sweet carbon rims may not be up to the task. I'm lucky my LBS had a T2 Yeti SB150 size M that they sold me at -30%. I couldn't be happier with it. Hope the bike will suit you well and that you'll enjoy it as much as it's humanly possible!