The Sohaib and Sara Abbasi Program in Islamic Studies, Stanford University
The Sohaib and Sara Abbasi Program in Islamic Studies, Stanford University
The Sohaib and Sara Abbasi Program in Islamic Studies is the central forum for interdisciplinary research and teaching in Islamic Studies at Stanford University. It facilitates and promotes the study of Islamic cultures and societies, including the history of Islam from its beginnings to the twenty-first century, systematic study of Islamic social contexts, the religion of Islam in all its internal complexity, and the diversity of human experience as seen in literature and the arts originating in societies affected by Islamic civilizations.
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As a non-muslim Dune Fan, I really enjoyed your discussion. As much as I loved Villeneuve's movies, I agree that the islamic influences of the novel were seriously toned down and I personally would have loved to see more of them in the movies, as the Fremen culture was one of the most intresting and interconnected theme of the books. I don't know whether anyone ever put together, how Frank Herbert learned so much about Islam (and all the other themes he combines in his works), but from what I've read, he spend multiple years researching for the Dune-Saga (which in the 60es without the internet was surely a hell lot of work). He also worked as a Journalist and a Reporter for multiple different news outlets since his youth, so I guess, he picked up a lot of knowledge just by the nature of his work. There is a very common theory that Dune is Herbert's spiced-up version of "Lawrence of Arabia", and you certainly can see similarities between both stories. The mix-up of cultures in the movies is also a big part in the novels. As the Dune-Saga takes place somewhat 10.000 to 20.000 years in the future, the cultures we know from Earth have been mixing and mingling, while Earth itself was only partially remembered, therefore the mixture of different cultural aspects for the characters and fractions makes the universe of Dune feel like a very distant future, but still somewhat reminiscent of our own world. Ultimately, I believe one of the greatest strengths of Dune is, that the novel can be read in so many different kinds of ways, as you guys alluded to in the podcast, and therefore, can serve as a great fuel for discussion.
The Harkonnen in the novel are supposedly descended from Finnish and Scandinavian people - you can see, especially in the second movie, how they represent the dark nature of imperialism but also clearly represent the “German” or Germany of the late 30’s with some of the excesses and hedonism of Ancient Rome thrown in. The atredis (whilst supposedly of Greek origin) clearly engage the western audience (who view themselves as the successors of both Greek and Roman culture/democracy). It always helps when the audience you’re writing for feel some sort of attachment with the characters. Whilst we live in a different world from middle America circa 1965, we can’t take any of this out of context. In Herbert’s own words, deserts are the places in which the major religions began - Jesus in the desert, Noah and Abraham too, as well as the prophet also. Its very nature breeds mystery and mystics ways (in the unfamiliar western mind especially). One could argue Paul is basically Lawrence of Arabia (who himself had visions of grandeur) in that sense, the harkonnen represent the axis powers, controlling Arabia like the ottomans did in line with Germany (though either an ignorant understanding of Ottoman Empire or exaggerated for the novel etc) whereas Atreides represents western powers - still colonial, still there to extract resources, but in a less brutal manner (again, Herbert might be bias in this, especially at the time, which is understandable). Therefore Paul is more clearly a Lawrence of Arabia type character- goes native so to speak
I came here as a native American
I'm just spitballing here, but the 21st century has brought us two great film series based on novels that were understood to be unfilmable, Dune and Lord of the Rings. I've been asking myself what is the next rare fruit, the next unfilmable book to be made into a money. My contenders are anything by Ursula Kroeber LeGuin, and The Lord of Light by Roger Zelasny. The latter book could be called Hindu Futurism. .A colony far in Earth's future has modeled itself after Hindu's 10,000 Gods. The most powerful are called The Lord's Of Karma,; they control the reincarnation machinery and so they decide who reincarnates as what and who doesn't reincarnate at all. And so there's a war to rest the machines of karma away from the Lords. The protagonist is a Lord of Karma, Mahasamatman, who feeling compassion for the poor people who are at the whims of the mighty Lords, and renounces his divinity by removing the words Maha and Atman from his name, leaving the name Sam. Like Dune and LOTR, The Lord of Light was attempted to be made a movie, with the visionary comic book artist Jack Kirby providing inspirational artwork, now available in black light posters. The film never got made. But bizarrely, the artwork itself was successfully used in a CIA exfiltration plot to remove 6 US Embassy workers from Teheran in the midst of the Iranian hostage crisis of 1980. This effort was depicted in the Oscar-winning film Argo. I would finally like to see the Lord of Light to get the film treatment it deserves.
With the second movie out, you should definitely invite this guest back
Yeah because I really don't think Islam or any religion for that matter would ever incorporate women like the freman do
That she couldn’t say Denis Villeneuve’s name right put me off.
Thank you for your thoughtful conservation! I appreciated hearing from Muslim speakers and Dune enthusiasts.
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For a man who read the books and seems so passionate about them, and has knowledge from such prestigious universities, mister Durrani surprises us by omitting the fact that Pauls' war was not only an internal one, but a real war that was waged by his forces after he took control, with dire consequences: 61 billion dead, 90 planets sterilized, the demoralization of 500 worlds and the wiping out of 40 religions along with their followers.
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Where can i find the clear quality of this video? Beacause it is not very clear...thank you
It appears to be a healthy-wealthy discussion among the healthy-wealthy people on both sides. Great discussion. At some parts of the discussion, it looked more like a PhD defense but in a healthy way. :)
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I think I read somewhere that since Spice, or at least its effect, is inspired by psilocybe mushrooms, which bruise blue, hence the blue Eyes of Ibad.
when it comes to touching on islamic themes in the films, it's a political minefield. the dune novel series is difficult enough to understand by itself; it's deeply nuanced, and popular discourse is anything but nuanced. given that it's a blockbuster film franchise, it's way safer to avoid that subject matter whenever possible. i can imagine a concern that potential controversy might overshadow other elements of the film that the production team consider more relevant to the story they want to tell. of course, it's unfortunate, but adapting to the big screen necessitates significant alterations, especially with this IP.
@Seph that may be the case to a certain degree, but not necessarily the main concern. for example, meg smaker's film Jihad Rehab-- a film which humanizes radical muslims-- was blacklisted through the bad faith efforts of a small islamist activist cohort. there's a lot of detail in the story, but if you're interested, the podcast episode is "#300 - a tale of cancellation" of sam harris' Making Sense podcast. way easier and more practical to ignore islamic themes and sidestep an infinitude of potential drama.
I want to take admission in this uni
29:05 what he says "fear and..." i didn't understand pls help
thanks indeed to the guest and the host for this amazing virtual event.
This is NOT Islam. May Allah SWT destroy all those who try to change the deen. Ameen
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I read and re-read this man’s BRILLIANT and CAPTIVATING dissertation as a source of spiritual sustenance. I have the PDF saved in Apple Books app for ease of access. Coming across this type of information, from a view point that feels so personally familiar, is a RARE gift. Will definitely be purchasing his book! “Grateful” is an understatement....
This is amazing. Can you email me his dissertation? @ [email protected]
@@assadnite8429 done!
@@jessicaleonard-sandino5414 Can you send me the dissertation too at [email protected]. I am impressed by the lecture.
Our vc. Shahida jaffery in sbk. I missed her so much. I wish i ll met her some day somewhere in my life. Love u. U r awesom lady. I dont have contact no she is in abroad
Soroush is a seasoned charlatan educated in a third rate British college not even a university
Love you and the prophet of love
Wow, hypocrites trying to Edit the God words and hide the fact from people. Representing a fake book to the people will astray the people. They are doing the same thing as they did with the Bible but Allah says in Quran "I am protecting this book" so nobody can change it and it is impossible.
Mr suroosh in his cultural revolution in Iran in 80s expeled thousands of progressive students from universities and most of those students either lost their lives or ended up in prison . Rumi is all about love and forgiveness and this man is all about hate and revenge .
It is not so You are totally mistaken.
Sufi-ism😎...These academics are very mis informed.
can you substantiate?
@@irinav.1797 Dear Professor Ogunnaike: I read the book The Racial Contract for my Race, Class, and Gender course at University of Minnesota, taught by Professor Rose Brewer. She was also chair of the African Studies Department. I then finished my master's degree by doing self-directed research via Professor Rose Brewer, with my project being that Platonic "natural law" is racist, and so a need for non-Western philosophy training is needed. I then trained from a Chinese spiritual healer springforestqigong.com and this was in fall of 2000, as my self-directed research project. It was a permanent life changing experience - and his assistant was Jim Nance, a black U.S. american who had spent two years traveling in Africa, studying shamanism, being initiated in over a dozen countries, in the 1980s. He was initiated in Senegal also I think. guidingqi.com is his website. Jim healed my mom long distance while he talked to me on the phone! She could barely walk for months yet after he healed her (while she was asleep) the day after she walked a half mile on her own. She said she just had so much energy! My approach is via music theory that is Orthodox Pythagorean. peterkingsley.com has connected the Sufi sources of Pythagorean philosophy and also connected this to Eastern shamanism as well. I did also study Western science as my "intellectual self-defense" since I am a white male and so my social context had no idea what I had gotten into. Also I myself needed to "translate" my experiences to better understand them. I finally discovered "noncommutative phase" philosophy as the only explanation of my training. Eddie Oshins working at Stanford Linear Accelerator Center, as a quantum psychologist, was also a teacher of Wing Chun, martial arts. He realized that noncommutative phase logic explained why "neigong" (Daoist alchemy meditation) worked. This explanation is very rare - Eddie Oshins was pissed that his research got assimilated and the noncommutative phase secret was lost. www.quantumpsychology.com/ Thanks again and I look forward to studying your work more (I'm listening to you as I type this). P.s. the book The Religion of Technology by David F. Noble (former MIT history professor) also corroborated your research on Platonic racism as a structural drive of the West, built into the symmetric logic. Oh there is an anthropologist of Africa who figured out this secret also. What was his name again? I corresponded with him - he is Dutch I think. I'll look it up. You probably have come across him already. Vinsbergen? Something Wim Bergen? Before the Presocratics: cyclicity, transformation, and element cosmology: the case of transcontinental pre- or protohistoric cosmological substrates linking Africa, Eurasia and North America www.ascleiden.nl/organization/people/wim-van-binsbergen take care, drew hempel
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ترجموا لنا من فضلكم
May Allah bless Standford University and America itself! They started studying Islam!
The person who uploaded this video needs to check their grammar. "An lecture" ?
Excellent lecture!
جلال الدين الرومي هذا مخرب دين الإسلام والتوحيد وليس له علاقة بالإسلام اخترع وابتدع هذا الرقص والدراويش وهذه الأفعال ليس له علاقة بالإسلام لأنها خزعبلات الصوفية والجهلة في دين الإسلام.
Yes, stay in your islam and enjoy your self.
مردک سایبری تو که فارسی میفهمی چرا جوابتو به عربی می نویسی؟ شما ملاها محکوم به رفتنید حال روشنفکران دینی این رفتن را مدتی به تاخیر می اندازند اما در رفتنتان هیچ شکی نیست.
funny how they all go straight for the identity crap and always as to be the victim I always knew he was a bigot muhamadin
I presented this translation as the first known to do audio for the complete J.M. Rodwell Translation.
May I call them as I see them, SLEEP WALKERS.
Rumi is not Iranian. Please don't steal Afghan heritage. Rumi Farsi speaking afghan (Tajik). Here is my proof: Mohamed Jalal ad-Din Balkhi (also known as Rumi) was born on 30 September 1207 in the city of Balkh, which is a province of modern-day Afghanistan. His parents were Farsi (Dari) speaking people of modern-day Afghanistan known as Tajiks. He wrote his masterpiece Masnavi-I Ma'navi (مثنوی معنوی) in Farsi. Fars is the official language of Afghanistan, Iran and Tajikistan. Since 1964 the term Dari is officially recognized and promoted by the Afghan government for the Farsi language. So, Farsi, Dari and Tajiki are the same language. Iranians often claim that Rumi is an Iranian or he belongs to Iran, but it’s absolutely nonsense to claim that Rumi was Iranian. Because at that time Iran didn’t exist (Iran was recognized since 1935) and Balkh (Rumi’s birthplace) was no longer part of the Persian Empire (Sāmānid). At the time Balkh was part of Khorasan, which was ruled by the Turkic dynasties. From the mid-10th century, the Persian Empire (Sāmānid) had lost their power over Khorasan and Khorasan was semi-independent part of Gaznavid dynasty under the rule of Sebüktigin (ruled 977-997). Sebüktigin’s son Maḥmūd (ruled 998-1030) later fully annexed Khorasan (thus also Balkh). Successively Balk was ruled by the Turkic dynasties such as Ghaznavid, Seljuq, and Khwārezm-Shāh (Turkic mamluk origin). With other words Persian Empire had lost Balkh and Balkh was ruled for more than 100 years by Turkic dynasties before Rumi was even born. Therefore, Rumi doesn’t belong to Iran, but to Balkh which is now part of Afghanistan. Thus Rumi belongs to modern-day Afghanistan (a Farsi speaking nation).
ok you got it ... take it for yourself who's fighting and arguing around this topics shows knows nothing about Rumi! Rumi says that I am the one without any color. I am the one from no where.
This lecturer is arguing around this topic. At 7:10 he says that Rumi belongs to Iran and at 9:26 he says that Rumi is an Iranian. He also says that Balkh no longer exist (6:40), but I can assure you that Balkh does exit and is part of AFG. Furthermore, Iran and Turkey are trying to register Masnavi Ma'anawi as joint intellectual heritage of Turkey and Iran at UNESCO, while it is clearly (modern-day) Afghan heritage.
Not everything he is saying is true. Take the part which seems valid and ignore those which are his opinion.
OnDemand what fool , 750 years ago there was country with name of Afghanistan?
i just checked right after nader shah death and return of his army afghanistan is formed, 1747 The beginning of modern Aghanistan can be dated to 1747, when the Afghans in Nadir Shah's army return home after his death. Their leader, Ahmad Khan Abdali, enters Kandahar and is elected king of the Afghans in a tribal assembly. He takes the title Durr-i-Durran ('pearl among pearls') and changes the name of his tribe to the Durrani.'"""" stop being dumb , rumi is concept not geography.
"AN Lecture" has provoked an L O L!
RUMISM: For the LOVE, By the LOVE, To the LOVE.
Amina wadud... jangan ngacak2 hukum Allah deh..
I loved this exhibition with its deep insights into the islamic message depicted with a sharp fresh contemporary image (i am an English Muslim)
نقش موثرسروش در انقلاب فرهنگی و جان باختن دختران دانشجویی که سینه هایشان را بریدند و حتی مورد تجاوز قرار دادند هنوز یا دمان نرفته
A very important lecture - crucial in fact for charting a way forward for meaningfully constructive interractions between muslims and non-muslims about Islam's role in democratic societies. Also, despiriting to see how basic misinformation and hegemonic bias so clearly persists about Islam even in such enlightened settings as a university. i wouldn't be as harsh as Professor Jackson however considering the tsunami of 'unsavouriness' that non muslims see of Islam by those muslims who would no doubt consider Professor Jackson's views heretical.
Don't forget that the originl conquest of these lands by Muslim armies in the first place was minority rule to begin with, and majority Sunni or Shia only developed over centuries of ironfisted control by a Caliph. With no more Caliph after ww2 to keep order over the Muslim world, granting independence to minority-ruled countries triggered th time bomb for global chaos. You can't conquer--and then boogie without hanging around long enough to ensure that new institutions take root--the way Islam originally did.
The observation about minority-controlled countries with boundaries drawn up by the victorious allies adter ww2, is valid to a point, but how do you avoid a genocide of the minority that was once in power the moment you switch to majority rule? It is so naive to not forsee that the built-up animosities of the necessarily-suppressed majority will tend to genocide of the minority the moment the majority gains power. This was the cruel madness of the "Arab Spring". Just "yay, majority rule"--and no plan to address that. Horrible idealistic foolishness.
This guy has been telling people the necessary steps to rebuild a stable central asian policy for ove 10 years and no one is listenng. What a shame , because what he says makes a lot of sense.
the Syrian regime is far stronger now then it was in 2014
Rumi, the Prophet of Love