This channel is dedicated to video making and aimed at helping and inspiring new comers to the KZread platform. I have taken a relatively long route and learned a couple of expensive lessons along the way and I hope to lend my experience to help those of you who are just starting out.
I have another channel, "The Wireless Audiophile" under the channel name of Peter Pee, which is what started my KZread career. You may visit that channel over at kzread.info
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🇧🇷🇧🇷🇧🇷🇧🇷👏🏻, SM7b sounds better!
The 102 is actually good flat. Basic 1176 comp, FabFilter Pro-DS, of warm tape saturation, delayed plate by SSL or UAD and good to go!
Needed a new microphone for voiceover work. I purchased an SM7B (with Cloudlifter) to move from an SM58. I am not a fan of the SM7B for my voice (sounds great with Joe Rogan though!). I ended up going with an old condenser mic I had laying around: M-audio Nova. The quality of the SM7B was not working for voiceover.
This video helped me make a decision. Thank you very much for a great video. :)
What did you decide after watching this?
@@CuriousMindedMediaI’m getting the MV7. For the price I feel that it’s better for me than the $400 mic.
@@Ramsteinrig That is what I am leaning towards as well, I have always wanted the SM7B but I think it is more logical for my situation to procure the MV7.
@@CuriousMindedMediayeah I’ve been considering the SM7B for a long time but I recently heard of the MV7 and the features for the price sounds like the best of both worlds. Thanks to this video it’s an easy decision for me.
@@Ramsteinrig Mic drop...
You are WAY underrated I appreciate your videos.
What about self noise without rodcaster
Be aware that all the software settings taking effect on USB only.
I didn't know that so thanks for pointing that out.
Excellent review, thanks
Very helpful, thanks for sharing your knowledge
Hi, I just purchased the TLM 102 and was hoping to find a good review. Thank you for the review, good job. New subscriber. I have a question I hope you will answer, I hear people are opening up the TLM 102 and removing the foam padding inside it to get a better and cleaner tone from the microphone. Do you recommend this?? Thank you for your help, take care.
Thanks for video, helped me to make my mind to go for thos mic
Hey mate, great channel. Good luck in your KZread journey!
i mean that the 102 have crispier highs and mids and go straighter. but u can lvl up the highs and multiband compressor on sm7b and get a similar sound. but there IS a difference. when u have harsch s sounds in your voice i would take the sm7b. if your s sounds are not so harsch and present i would take tlm 102.
great content. subscribed!
Microphones are the biggest audio racket in town. Fed up with people peddling mics. It’s all about the audio interface and the sound mix. That’s 90% of sound. Get that right and you can fiddle with microphones for the last 10% of the sound right!
I think this video was so super helpful! I love the comparison back and forth! Thank you so much!
SM7B is a shitty muddy microphone. Don't believe me? Try to record a baritone voice and then solo the low mids. You will be "surprised" to hear that boxy cheap muddy sound.
very informative video
Peter, I have been using your vids in my search for replacement gear for my aging 5.1 system from the late 80's. Think DVD Audio and Dolby Digital on Energy Veritas/Hitachi/Sherwood Newcastle/Parasound. I've chosen Sonos Beam with the coming Mini Sub and possibly the One's as surrounds. My suggestion for a vid from you is one comparing multi/HD sources for music. Seeing as I chose poorly (DVD Audio) in the past, will ATMOS be a good choice and is Amazon Music Unlimited a good longterm choice?
I've had both. SM7B doesn't compare to the TLM102 imo. TLM 102 sounds silky as hell compared to the SM7B
Procaster & MV7 are good
有Sm7b，Tlm 102 正在寄來的路上😅
Oh my. I certainly hear the TLM102’s smoothness on your voice. In a quiet environment, it makes you sound terrific. The Shure is good. The Neumann is silky.
This is the comment I needed to see. Ty.
Nice comparison, great job! Hearing them both in the same space and going back and forth really makes the comparison clear. I have an SM7B myself and love it. I also have a decent condensor mic, but my place is an untreated apartment and the condensor picks up so much detail, reflections, etc. that it just sounds awful in comparison. I'm sure in a good studio setting the condensor would hold its own, but for untreated rooms the 7B is almost unbeatable. It needs no shock mount, you can even handhold it without creating a lot of noise, and it's built like a tank. It has an amazing ability to pick up your voice and everything you want while rejecting stray noises much more effectively than most condensors. The one place the 7B falls a little short is high-frequency sparkle on voices, but with a little EQ bump you can still get it sounding pretty close to a good condensor. It's a great workhorse mic.
I do think the TLM 102 sounds better, fuller and richer, at least with this guy's voice via my KRK recording monitors... Um, but then he got closer to the Shure, and now I'm not sure. :)
Very insightful review and a well made video! Thank you. Subbed!
I really like the idea of the cut down foam filter placed loosely in front of the TLM. I'm going to try something similar with our TLM 103 for cartoon voice acting.
TLM103 is a very good mic for the price
Listen to 1:33 and you have your choice
I’m using SM7B 🥰
I still love the sound coming out of the sm7b.
The SM7B has the ‘shock mount’ built in. And pop filters also come with it. It should also have had a preamp built in in my opinion.
Unfortunately no preamp built in. And worse, it requires a really powerful preamp to drive it clean.
Shure heard you bro bro check out SM7dB
Great review. What is your favourite one? You seem to like the Procaster the most?
I like the protester. It gives a very bassy broadcast quality sound. In general, like how dynamic mics sound.
Your office is very nice sir
Thank you! I keep things fresh and keep moving and changing too. :) Stay tuned and I will have more upgrades soon!
Very nice
Both are good but not for the same use.
great video! thanks
Thank you!
Nice video
Thank you!
Great video. Quite informative.
Glad you found it useful!
congrats on your 2nd channel! Somehow the youtube algorithm only pushed me this only now!
Oh really? Maybe because it’s newer? Or you searched related topics before.
@@zoomcentralbypeter well I'm not so sure, perhaps I just binged quite a few of your videos from your other channel.
what’s his main channel?
Note: I'm by no means a professional. I'm simply sharing my past experiences using both mics. I own both mics, and over time, I learn to use them on different occasions (to me they have very different textures, almost like different paintbrushes if that makes sense). For vocals that are softer and need a sweeter tone with great details, I tend to lean towards tlm102. For rap and vocals that are a bit shouty, I lean towards the shure sm7b. Another factor I consider is the recording environment. If I plan to record in a well-treated room tlm102 is the one I go for. If I'm just recording in a dorm room, tlm102 is unusable, and the shure sm7b works wonders. Conclusion: Is the tlm102 worth the money compared with Shure sm7b? 1. Depends on what you use it for. If details in vocals, especially in the higher/mid-frequency are important to you. Then yes :D Generally, If you are not using it for music/ recording vocals, then that becomes a lot more debatable. 2. Also, I personally think both mics are in the same price category. For the Shure sm7b, you tend to purchase external preamps to boost the signals. At the end of the day with warranties, the Shure mic will cost around 700$ so... if you are planning to purchase either one of the mics, chances are, you already have around 1000$ of budget to spend so the cost is probably not going to be the determining factor. 3. Another factor to consider is sibilance which is the biggest problem I have with the tlm102. If reducing sibilance in the recording stage is very important to you then I would go for the sm7b and not the tlm102.
Very good sharing! Thank you for bringing this experience to a small community here! I am going to pin your comment!
But for the sibilances on the tlm 102 you could easily use a de-esser in post ✌️
So whic one is better for vocal?
I'm thinking about getting a mic for rap vocals, and I tend to be a bit shouty/aggressive. I'm not gonna be using it in a well-treated ROOM but I'm gonna use it in a box of soundproof foam, which basically is the same thing. Which microphone would be the best option? I really like the sound of the TLM 102, but if it peaks/distorts when yelling, then I might change my mind. Do you have any other microphones you could recommend under the $750 mark?
1) For deep male voices with lots of lowend - tlm 102 (but you need to buy shock mount 100%) 2) for voices with harshness in 4-7 khz region - sm7b 3) for loud singing - sm7b 4) for streaming - sm7b @@elifpnar3077
I would go for a better pre for this shootout. On a cheaper pre many mics can sound similar.
Yeah you do make a good point. The pre will be the limiting factor. But right now, what I can afford will be the Rodecaster pro and zoom F6.
@@zoomcentralbypeter Budget is always a limiting factor. As well as permission from the wife. Great video btw.
You are doing very best video
Thank you for your compliments! I will keep trying my best!
Nice video
Thank you Desi!
Great video. I'll subscribe.
That means so much for a small channel just starting out! Thank you!
The Neumann tlm 102 has a fuller, richer and thicker sound IMO. I've had an SM7B and was never happy with it in musical applications - it always sounded too thin and not professional level. The SM7 (Vintage) is much better
You are referring to singing vocal application right? I have a very deep and raspy voice by nature so the difference is not that apparent to me. But if one's voice is rounder and smoother, the mic will pick up the difference and you will be right that the TLM 102 has a richer voice. My wife tested the mics and she also liked the TLM 102 better.
If your 7B was thin, that was probably a problem with your preamp, because that mic is anything but thin. With most consumer-grade audio interfaces, cranking their internal pre-amp enough to drive the SM7B adds noise and pushes the preamp to a level where audio quality suffers. If anything, the 7B has some of the silkiest and smoothest mids of any mic out there. Where it lacks somewhat is high-frequency air/sparkle.
I wish the Mv7 was USB-C to USB-c and not USB-c to micro. But, I do think it’s amazing (esp. while starting) considering the price, and that you can use it via USB.
Yeah. I wished that too. I put off buying this because of the micro USB port!
@@zoomcentralbypeter I ended up getting one for KZread and zoom meetings. But, I think it will hopefully be fine. I’m waiting for the Elgato Wave Mic Arm (Low Profile) to go with it. I think it’ll be fine for a first microphone.
Nice video for a small channel like this 👍👍 well done
Thanks for the lovely compliment!
I can hear more white noise with the sure but i hear more eco with the neuman. However, I like more how it sounds the voice with the neuman. Sounds so smooth. To sing: Neumann; for potcast: sure.
Yes, the Neumann will pick up more echos as it is a condenser mic. I love the sound of the Neumann too but the price....
Simple. The Neumann sounds much better for your voice.
Thanks for confirming this! I thought so too! Just not sure if I’d be happy to pay the difference for what is essentially a little gain over the great performance from the sm7b.
Sorry but I hear a huge difference. The Neumann is way more detailed and cleaner. Don't get me wrong. I like the SM7B. And by the way I also own both 😏
Obviously dumbass. It’s more expensive for a reason. But the shure sm7b is magnificent for your voice
Listening over AirPod Pros through M1 MacBook Air, I can hear more room echo on the Neumann TLM 102. Both mics come across excellent but the Sure SM7B has better isolation.
That’s accurate and very correct. The sm7b is dynamic and this picks up a lot less room noise. I did not apply any processing so you will hear them as they are. The Neumann is condenser so will pick up more of the room echo.
Reading through Iphone promax14 using my apple glasses I see that you are fool. You forgot to install your apple plugin so that the difference is really noticeable.
I'm just considering buying between a TLM 102 and an SM7B, and I have a few questions. My main use is making music, mostly r&b/rap. What appeals to me about the TLM 102 is the incredible naturalness of the sound, and that characteristic Neumann sound. The SM7B has a super lot of low-end, which I don't like too much, but when I take off the windscreen it seems to be a more open mic. I have untreated room, so I'm wondering if I'll solve this situation with SM7B, or better with UAD C-Suite C-Vox plugin. I will add that this will be my first microphone, so the choice is not easy because they are expensive microphones. So the question is, TLM 102 in untreated room wtih C-Suite vs SM7B? The first option is super expensive, so is it actually worth it?
My suggestion is that you go for the sm7b. If you can get enough gain, you don’t need the cloud lifter or preamp. That’s like half the price of the Neumann setup. The sound from the sm7b is really very good already.
@@zoomcentralbypeter how can i contact u?
If you haven’t gotten the mic yet, I would tell you from experience and own the sm7b and the gefell m930 which is the original Neumann mic that’s almost exactly as the tlm 103. The sm7b will help with the untreated room, but it still won’t give you great results. And honestly the sm7b was a huge disappointment to me and I see many others who have buyers remorse with it. I made my own sound panels with 1x3 strips of wood from Home Depot for about $3 each, and bought Rockwool insulation for $55 for 10 15x47 inch panels. Then I bought packing blankets from harbor freight for $5 each. I spent less than $100 and treated my room and my room sounds great now. All my mics sound amazing now, and have decided to sell my sm7b. It’s flat, boring, tin-y sounding, and hissy. And even after all the cons about it, it still will pick up the room. I work with audio full time from home, and record vocals daily for clients. All of my clients thanked me when i stopped using the sm7b. The sm7b is a good mic, but it’s gain hungry and even with the cloudlifter lacks body from lack of power.
@@BUCKSHOTSTV thanks g
@@ThYSaing you’re welcome. And for rap the Neumann wins hands down. You can get a used one and with the money saved build the sound panels to reduce the room noise. Plus with Neumann for the R&B will give you results closest to the big production sound as R&B needs more air up top which the sm7b is really really hard to achieve without the big studio preamps. I have an Avalon 737 and it can’t power the shure, and with the cloudlifter it’s just too hissy and still barely getting me good levels.