Beautiful trails! I have talked to people here in Northeast, Pa. that have a 450L and tell me that they are not very suitable for single track trails. I need to add that the trails here are a ton more technical than what is shown in the video. Rocks, rocks and more rocks. Lots of loose rocks. Also lots of very steep inclines with loose rocks. Not trying to knock your point but just pointing out it is not really the same here. Again, beautiful trails where your at. Do you have any experience with the 450 in different terrain?
@toddbenfield654624 күн бұрын
Nice flowing trails…no problem…perfect for my 690’also✌️tight, and technical is when it’s harder with the heavier bike
@thomastjg53Ай бұрын
Scene doing the video, have you updated your suspension any more, other than springs ? That’s the only thing that I wonder about between the the other bikes , like the rr models is suspension. I ride a lot of sand and don’t know if the XT suspension or say a 200 RR would better ? Also would love to ride that 350 rr too.
@sanderjavant-36Ай бұрын
Good stuff Justin!
@jamespetrellisАй бұрын
Do you find it revs as high as a KTM 350?
@jwaller1327Ай бұрын
Can’t say. I haven’t got experience on the KTM 350.
@pepemanolo3902 ай бұрын
I like that bike but...I find it embarrassing that beta continues to offer those suspensions..
@OdysseyOffroad12 күн бұрын
That's how they keep the price point low. If you want a racy suspension you're going to pay more you get the 300RR
@stevewasilow55563 ай бұрын
Nice riding, just got a 19 450L and it’s the most challenging bike I ever rode, trails are awesome, where abouts? We ride in eastern central PA, it’s super rocky here, I like your trails better, did u change ECU?
@jwaller1327Ай бұрын
Trails are in south Texas. I have the AIM ECU in my bike, with a stock exhaust, and a toggle switch to go from full power to an enduro map. The ECU was programmed by Taco Moto.
@billyarsenault19703 ай бұрын
Very nice work. Safety first and no showing off needed. I’m still stalling mine uphill on big boulders and when trying to get a bounce over thick logs- But definitely making progress. Have fun brother.
@dlparish563 ай бұрын
If you would slow down you might find it
@BradRabe523 ай бұрын
Yada, Yada, Yada. Out of breath standing still?
@davidbeauvais13644 ай бұрын
You’re slow, keep it will serve you well
@racewayman14 ай бұрын
Looks fun I’m saving to buy mine in 2025
@jarrod16872 ай бұрын
You'll love it mate, just budget for an ecu
@jz644 ай бұрын
Really nice bike man
@waterboy744 ай бұрын
Great video! What brand of RX goggle inserts are you using & how do you like them?
@jwaller13274 ай бұрын
The goggles are ESS Profile NVG goggles issued by the military and the inserts are ESS Sunglasses/Goggles-RX Insert for ICE, ICE-2X, ICE-2X Naro and Profile NVG. The biggest weakness with them is the fact that they weren't made specifically for the relative smoothness of a motorcycle helmet but a relatively rough textured military helmet, so the strap doesn't stick to the helmet but sort of slides around on it. Still, I find it more comfortable than glasses under goggles. I might put some sort of grip tape on my helmet where the strap goes.
@jodyharris43174 ай бұрын
👍👍👊
@HardUNduro5 ай бұрын
Great to see you do multiple bikes in one review! In Australia the 4-stoke Betas seem to be pretty rare. The 350RR looks interesting though. Was it the same frame size and height as the 300RR?
@jwaller13274 ай бұрын
Yes, same size frame and all the ergos seem to be identical with all the RR and RS models I tried.
@jeremyhart27935 ай бұрын
What did you think about the suspension difference between 300rr and Xtrainer?
@jwaller13275 ай бұрын
Honestly feel like the suspension on the RR bikes, even stock, feels better than the XTrainer suspension, even after getting springs for my weight on the XTrainer. I haven't done any re-valving on the XTrainer, so that's next.
@MrEunuch5 ай бұрын
Interesting comparison. I have a '22 XT and love it after a few mods (including springs/revalving & gnarly pipe) but have a hankering for a 4T also and your 350RR comments have me thinking now! Appreciate you sharing.
@jwaller13275 ай бұрын
For sure. If you can get to a demo day, I highly suggest it. I think most people liked the 390 more, but I know I preferred the 350. One guy said he'd prefer the 350 for racing but the 390 more for casual riding, due to the lively engine characteristics of the 350. I looked up the gearing differences of the 4T RS vs RR models yesterday. I believe that the RS has a front sprocket with 2 more teeth and a rear sprocket with one less tooth compared to the RR models. Perhaps that contributed more to the difference in feel between the 350RR and 390RS models I tried than I originally thought. I should have also tried my buddy's 390 Race Edition right after, but he has recently installed a Clake rear hand brake and Rekluse auto clutch. I think those two things would make it too different to make a fair comparison, not to mention that I wouldn't be used to the hand brake and would likely crash because of it!
@MrEunuch5 ай бұрын
@@jwaller1327 thanks for the feedback. Unfortunately I've never seen a dealer Beta demo day in the UK, so will be a bit of trial and error doing plenty of research and hoping it works out like it did on my XT which for now I just can't get enough of. Appreciate your comments on the 390 too - sounds like I need to do a bit more research on that variant too.
@williampage25617 ай бұрын
I just bought a 450 😊
@natkaler1157 ай бұрын
My 24 had the oil light come off and on for awhile, I ended deleting the oil injection after about 4 hours on the bike for my own sanity. Now I run a 50:1 premix
@zampner6667 ай бұрын
I have a tail tidy and i dont have a rack and i run tusk bags.I put brackets from Giant Loop on and used the bolts from the old bracket for the tag so you dont need a rack just sayin. Nice bike by the way got my 2021 RL used with 400 miles on it
@jwaller13277 ай бұрын
Good to know.
@bbarker57667 ай бұрын
I would like to offer a little advice for video. Put the camera so it can capture what you're riding through. It's pointed at the handlebars and that's just not a good view/angle to watch. If you can get a helmet mount that goes on your chin and get it set there so it will show what you look at and the trail ahead better. Hope this helps but it's a pretty good video just would like to see more of the trail. 😉
@AliasTekTV7 ай бұрын
I got the 450x spark arrestor in mine, and currently working on a modified Africa Twin spark arrestor that ALMOST bolts right in. The AT arrestor is a bit loud, but the 450x has a SLIGHTLY deeper tone and a lot of flow. Would recommend that swap. Zeta radiator guards installed on mine as well as the handguards. Would also recommend those, will need to trim side panels though.
@scuffieduffie8 ай бұрын
Looks like oil pressure. Wich is not there xD
@stephtraveler73788 ай бұрын
Nice review. 450 is a great high performance dual sport with excellent suspension and Honda reliability; however, oil change interval and high-octane fuel requirements are a significant downside. BDRs, TAT, and most trail riding can be done on a CRF300L (low octane fuel and 8,000 mile oil changes)....The CRF300L has a great cockpit feel and reach. Great seatheight. CRF300l can do 70mph all day, but if you are regularly hitting 80's, you would need to sprocket down...
@jwaller13278 ай бұрын
I previously had a KLX300, roughly equivalent to the CRF300L in most respects. When those two bikes came out, I got the one that became available locally first, the Kawi. My buddy had more patience and was an avowed Honda man, and several months later, he got the 300L. And he threw the whole catalogue it that bike! Every performance upgrade you can think of. He got a whole new shock and had the forks rebuilt, all set up for his weight. We swapped bikes a couple times. The Honda was nicer than the Kawi, and was the better bike most of the time. I thought the Kawasaki was a bit better in tight single track. The Kawi crashed better. His Honda had a tendency to end up with bent brake and shift levers and broken plastics. I replaced my KLX with a dedicated dirt bike since I was using it for single track 90+% of the time. When I started missing having a capable dual sport, I did consider both the 300L or another KLX. But in the end I wanted something more on the dirt bike end of the spectrum. The 300 class dual sport bikes are road bikes which can be taken off road. I wanted the converse, a dirt bike that could be taken on the road. The additional maintenance and premium fuel, to me and my use, is well worth it for the significant upgrade in performance and capability, on road and off.
@mikefletcher65957 ай бұрын
In every way the 450L is streets ahead of the 300L, way better suspension, wayyyyy lighter, way better componentry, about 20 more HP, better lights, will do 70+ mph all day, more fun to ride, safer on the road as easier to overtake. Now you can't have all of that and 8000 mile service intervals, and frankly who realistically needs that - could do the Idaho BDR and then probably the Washington one as well without changing the oil - doing 1500 miles is fine, the manual 600 miles is overly conservative, there's absolutely no need to change oil that regularly unless you are racing the bike. The real beauty of the 450L is it really is a unicorn, you could do an enduro, you can do BDRs, you could do the Baja on it, you could ad a few bits, as you would with any bike, and do an actual rally and be competitive - you ain't seriously gonna do that on a 300L!
@terratrodder7 ай бұрын
@@mikefletcher6595 All true! I love my 450L, wouldn't trade it for anything. I live in the oregon desert and change my oil around 1000-1200 mile range unless I do something real dusty. Amazing bike, amazing power, super fun!
@YZEtc8 ай бұрын
Nice video and nice CRf450L you have. Wow, a 50-mile commute to work each workday. Must be a very good job. 🙂 I bought my 2021 CRF450RL used, too, with 614 miles on it and for a price low enough to do a double-take. It practically didn't have a scratch, so I think the original owner used it on the street only. I also think an aftermarket ECU is well worth the money. I got a Vortex one and ten seconds riding the bike with the Vortex ECU proved to me that just putting up with the stock ECU mapping (like I originally planned to do) just doesn't compare. To me, the bike feels best off-road going fast over rough terrain, at least 3rd gear or higher. Not surprising since the CRF450L/RL is simply a street legal CRF450X, and the CRF450X is one of the Kings of Baja. Sure, I also ride it down trails through the woods, but opening it up a bit on faster terrain always feels great and the bike excels at it.
@jwaller13278 ай бұрын
I agree. Since getting a dirtbike plated is pretty easy to do in Texas, I would have gladly taken either the 450L or 450X whenever I got the L. Now that I’ve used the L to haul the bags and all that on a multi-day dual sport ride, I’m glad no X was available when I made the purchase. I love the beefy subframe. To me, the L is a 450X made street legal from the factory.
@evr-mr3cp8 ай бұрын
Nice looking trail; Texas?
@jwaller13278 ай бұрын
Yes, Floresville, Texas
@evr-mr3cp8 ай бұрын
@@jwaller1327 My son lives in NE Austin and I am in AZ. I assume this is private land, is this a pay to ride type of thing or?
@jwaller13278 ай бұрын
It’s private. I’m a member of Dirt Bikers of San Antonio club. It’s club property. Membership is around $200 per year. Non-members can be sponsored by a member for $20. It’s a bit of a haul from NE Austin. There’s Spoaks Ranch in Lockhart, not too far from Austin. I believe it’s $30 per rider per day and you don’t need a sponsor. But it’s only open on weekends I think.
@sanderjavant-368 ай бұрын
Awesome Justin!
@sanderjavant-368 ай бұрын
Nice!
@maxflight7778 ай бұрын
Love my 2023 road legal CRF450RX
@jwaller13278 ай бұрын
Are you in the USA? I believe they come road legal in some countries. I was able to get a CRF250RX plated in Texas with a little work. The close ratio 5 speed transmission made it not ideal for road duties.
@blazingnate28 ай бұрын
Which bike were you coming from? Sounds like a Honda?
@jwaller13278 ай бұрын
I was on a CRF250RX
@mikem99538 ай бұрын
What a great ‘realistic’ video. If it puts a smile on your face, that’s awesome! Not everyone is the greatest rider Kudos to you for being a great dad, being honest and just plain out having fun on a bike! Hope that kinda’ made sense? To me it was just a refreshing realistic video. Thanks for sharing.
@jwaller13278 ай бұрын
Thanks! That was our first time to ever ride real off road. I'm so glad I decided to give it a shot. I stopped riding on pavement for fun, only street riding to commute, really. We ride dirt for fun almost exclusively now. The off road community has been great, I've made some great friends riding in the dirt. And I've learned a lot. I'd thought of deleting the video as it's almost embarrassing to see how bad I was in the dirt, but we all do have to start somewhere!
@TheKitchenTechnician9 ай бұрын
Love my new 2023 Beta 300RR! Rekluse clutched for the technical, rocky,gnarly, hilly stuff we do up here in north eastern Ontario Canada. Great bikes with a lot of character. A smart carb is in my future for next season. It’s snowing outside right now.🙄
@user-fe5bi7ul4t22 күн бұрын
I would not recommend the smart carbs/ lectrons / similar products. They still do require adjustment. Just follow the jetting chart in your manual and those settings will get you closer and will give better throttle response compared to the smart carb. I will say the lectrons/ smart carbs do help if you are riding in wildly different elevations but if you're not riding at 2000 ft elev one day and then 10k the following day, would not recommend.
@TheKitchenTechnician9 ай бұрын
I have a 2008 Yamaha WR450 and a 2023 Beta 300RR. I definitely prefer the Beta in the tight single track stuff but I love my WR for the more open trails. The torquey power and feeling of being shot out of a cannon is very addictive on the WR. My friend who is twenty years my junior and very fast cannot keep up to me on his KTM 300TPI when we’re on the open trails and I’m on my WR but when it gets tight he’s faster. Both bikes have their place and I enjoy them equally on the appropriate terrain, but not vice versa!
@emilehazeur34449 ай бұрын
Nice save!
@davet39479 ай бұрын
I’m sure you figured out by now, but I noticed when you’re hitting the hills and in the tight to Terrain with both bikes, you would probably be having more fun in a higher gear and more clutch work not talking shit just something I noticed enjoy
@inthesPhila9 ай бұрын
For your watchers: Beta Cross Trainer is a 300 2 stroke, not as hot as the Beta 300RR and can get lights etc plugged into it's harness. It has an oil inj. pump, no premixing gas.
@Matt-xi8zr9 ай бұрын
I have the 450rl. My favorite riding is steep tricky trails. I’m considering the xtrainer for that. I’m 6’2” with long legs. In Oregon we can’t plate dirt bikes. I’m also considering the KTM 350exc-f and Beta 350rr-s. The Beta is probably heavier than I want. I’m still at a novice level of skill
@jwaller13279 ай бұрын
I rode a buddy’s Beta 390 Race Edition, which has the same weight, approximately, as the Beta 350. There wasn’t much difference between it and the 450L. I haven’t tried the 4-stroke KTMs except the 500. If you have to get a road legal plated bike to do the tricky stuff, technical I’m guessing, I’d get the lightest 4-stroke you can find. Probably a KTM or Husqvarna. If it’s being added to your stable and you’re keeping the 450RL, try a 2-stroke for the technical stuff. I tried the Beta 300RR, the Beta 200RR, and the Husqvarna TE300. Those were all significantly easier to ride in technical stuff than the Beta 390 or CRF.
@jwaller13279 ай бұрын
I rode a buddy’s Beta 390 Race Edition, which has the same weight, approximately, as the Beta 350. There wasn’t much difference between it and the 450L. I haven’t tried the 4-stroke KTMs except the 500. If you have to get a road legal plated bike to do the tricky stuff, technical I’m guessing, I’d get the lightest 4-stroke you can find. Probably a KTM or Husqvarna. If it’s being added to your stable and you’re keeping the 450RL, try a 2-stroke for the technical stuff. I tried the Beta 300RR, the Beta 200RR, and the Husqvarna TE300. Those were all significantly easier to ride in technical stuff than the Beta 390 or CRF.
@thomastjg539 ай бұрын
Nice to see the comparison of the two bikes. You said that you had both bikes suspension’s setup. Did they make the x trainer stiffer or softer for you ? I’m kind of interested in the x trainer. We ride kind of sandy flowing trails , with some whoops and some roots to contend with , but not real slow or fast. Probably any were-from first to sometimes 3 and maybe an 4 th on a fire road. Would the x handle that kind of riding ?
@jwaller13279 ай бұрын
I had to get heavier springs to stiffen up the suspension. I have no problem taking my XTrainer up to 40+ mph on terrain like that fire road to the back of the property in the video, sandy and rocky at places. It only seems like a weakness after riding back to back with a bike better suited for high speed stuff.
@thomastjg539 ай бұрын
@@jwaller1327 Ok thanks , if you don’t mind,what do you weigh. I’m 180.
@jwaller13279 ай бұрын
250 lbs without gear.
@RobertoARG9 ай бұрын
👍😎👍💯
@davidmichael74229 ай бұрын
Great detail, nice loop. What state is this?
@jwaller13279 ай бұрын
Floresville, TX
@davidmichael74229 ай бұрын
@@jwaller1327 Very nice, I’m in Massachusetts and we ride rocks almost constantly. X Trainer is in my future. I have a 23 Beta 200 race and it’s a great bike but a little stiff, gotta to soften up.
@jwaller13279 ай бұрын
@@davidmichael7422 The Beta 200 Race Edition was the bike that convinced me that I needed a 2-stroke. I have a buddy with the 200 and 300, both Race Editions, and the XTrainer. I rode all three quite a bit before pulling the trigger. The only reason I didn't go with the 200 is because I'm 250+ and thought it might be a problem if I took it to the mountains where it would lose a little power. So then it was between the XTrainer and 300RR. I have short legs and a long torso, a Fred Flinstone sort of build, and the XTrainer is easier for me to get on and off of. I might some day put an exhaust from the 300RR on my XTrainer, but for now, I'm enjoying it as is.
@e.l.95899 ай бұрын
What a shame.
@robm33579 ай бұрын
I have a 22 X Trainer and I am 65 Nice bikes
@prezzzrock9 ай бұрын
58 years old and love my 2021 Xtrainer! Great trail bike!! Tons of fun!! 627 miles on it and no issues.
@Luke_0o0mcg10 ай бұрын
Nice bike
@jwaller132710 ай бұрын
Thanks ✌️
@adilsonpissinidico10 ай бұрын
Did you try the RR or just the Racing Edition? How is the suspension filling please? Thanks
@jwaller132710 ай бұрын
I only got to ride the race edition of the 200, the 300, and the 390, and also the XTrainer. So I can’t comment on the suspension of the standard RR. The suspension on the Race Edition bikes is very good, even though none of the bikes I test rode were set up for my weight. In a word, I’d describe the suspension as precise. Very confidence inspiring.
@bbarker57667 ай бұрын
I can say that the suspension on the RR is made by Sachs and softer than the RE which has KYB suspension. The RR is oil injected and the power delivery is a bit softer/mellower. They still run great and are a blast and actually fit more regular riders than race edition. The harder you push the RE the better it is. Hope this helps!
@serjekk10 ай бұрын
Looks like Zars, but wider trails.
@jwaller132710 ай бұрын
Well, yeah, this little trail does, but then there's about 50-100 times as much mileage that is nothing at all like Zars. Also, harder pack soil, rockier, with loose layer of sand, even on this trail.
@thomastjg5310 ай бұрын
Cool. What springs did you put in your x trainer , and what do you weigh ? I’m 180 , do you find that the x trainer is to soft to handle some whoops or does it handle then fine ?
@jwaller132710 ай бұрын
I put on the springs for my weight, a number I'm not proud of, but it is what it is, lol. With the springs for my weight, it was okay on the whoops, which I hit between 20 mph and 30 mph. I didn't bottom out the suspension with the springs. I am about 280 with my gear, so I got the springs for 280 lbs. I couldn't have gone over the whoops like that with the bike stock, obviously. I never tried to. I'd think at your weight, the XTrainer would be okay. It's not going to be able to fly through that stuff like a cross country bike, but it's a really fun little bike.
@iamcarefreedee10 ай бұрын
Dude my new 2024 klx 300 doing this what is it?
@jwaller132710 ай бұрын
I ended up trading mine in. I later heard that it was a faulty kickstand switch, though I can’t confirm that. But it is something to check. And the clutch safety switch. Good luck.
@iamcarefreedee10 ай бұрын
That sucks! I’m gonna bring it in today. Hopefully they can fix the issue, I know the betas are the real deal would like to upgrade one day
@user-mk7fw9en6f11 ай бұрын
Got mine 4 days ago.
@jwaller132711 ай бұрын
It sure is a great bike in the woods. Lots of fun!
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Beautiful trails! I have talked to people here in Northeast, Pa. that have a 450L and tell me that they are not very suitable for single track trails. I need to add that the trails here are a ton more technical than what is shown in the video. Rocks, rocks and more rocks. Lots of loose rocks. Also lots of very steep inclines with loose rocks. Not trying to knock your point but just pointing out it is not really the same here. Again, beautiful trails where your at. Do you have any experience with the 450 in different terrain?
Nice flowing trails…no problem…perfect for my 690’also✌️tight, and technical is when it’s harder with the heavier bike
Scene doing the video, have you updated your suspension any more, other than springs ? That’s the only thing that I wonder about between the the other bikes , like the rr models is suspension. I ride a lot of sand and don’t know if the XT suspension or say a 200 RR would better ? Also would love to ride that 350 rr too.
Good stuff Justin!
Do you find it revs as high as a KTM 350?
Can’t say. I haven’t got experience on the KTM 350.
I like that bike but...I find it embarrassing that beta continues to offer those suspensions..
That's how they keep the price point low. If you want a racy suspension you're going to pay more you get the 300RR
Nice riding, just got a 19 450L and it’s the most challenging bike I ever rode, trails are awesome, where abouts? We ride in eastern central PA, it’s super rocky here, I like your trails better, did u change ECU?
Trails are in south Texas. I have the AIM ECU in my bike, with a stock exhaust, and a toggle switch to go from full power to an enduro map. The ECU was programmed by Taco Moto.
Very nice work. Safety first and no showing off needed. I’m still stalling mine uphill on big boulders and when trying to get a bounce over thick logs- But definitely making progress. Have fun brother.
If you would slow down you might find it
Yada, Yada, Yada. Out of breath standing still?
You’re slow, keep it will serve you well
Looks fun I’m saving to buy mine in 2025
You'll love it mate, just budget for an ecu
Really nice bike man
Great video! What brand of RX goggle inserts are you using & how do you like them?
The goggles are ESS Profile NVG goggles issued by the military and the inserts are ESS Sunglasses/Goggles-RX Insert for ICE, ICE-2X, ICE-2X Naro and Profile NVG. The biggest weakness with them is the fact that they weren't made specifically for the relative smoothness of a motorcycle helmet but a relatively rough textured military helmet, so the strap doesn't stick to the helmet but sort of slides around on it. Still, I find it more comfortable than glasses under goggles. I might put some sort of grip tape on my helmet where the strap goes.
👍👍👊
Great to see you do multiple bikes in one review! In Australia the 4-stoke Betas seem to be pretty rare. The 350RR looks interesting though. Was it the same frame size and height as the 300RR?
Yes, same size frame and all the ergos seem to be identical with all the RR and RS models I tried.
What did you think about the suspension difference between 300rr and Xtrainer?
Honestly feel like the suspension on the RR bikes, even stock, feels better than the XTrainer suspension, even after getting springs for my weight on the XTrainer. I haven't done any re-valving on the XTrainer, so that's next.
Interesting comparison. I have a '22 XT and love it after a few mods (including springs/revalving & gnarly pipe) but have a hankering for a 4T also and your 350RR comments have me thinking now! Appreciate you sharing.
For sure. If you can get to a demo day, I highly suggest it. I think most people liked the 390 more, but I know I preferred the 350. One guy said he'd prefer the 350 for racing but the 390 more for casual riding, due to the lively engine characteristics of the 350. I looked up the gearing differences of the 4T RS vs RR models yesterday. I believe that the RS has a front sprocket with 2 more teeth and a rear sprocket with one less tooth compared to the RR models. Perhaps that contributed more to the difference in feel between the 350RR and 390RS models I tried than I originally thought. I should have also tried my buddy's 390 Race Edition right after, but he has recently installed a Clake rear hand brake and Rekluse auto clutch. I think those two things would make it too different to make a fair comparison, not to mention that I wouldn't be used to the hand brake and would likely crash because of it!
@@jwaller1327 thanks for the feedback. Unfortunately I've never seen a dealer Beta demo day in the UK, so will be a bit of trial and error doing plenty of research and hoping it works out like it did on my XT which for now I just can't get enough of. Appreciate your comments on the 390 too - sounds like I need to do a bit more research on that variant too.
I just bought a 450 😊
My 24 had the oil light come off and on for awhile, I ended deleting the oil injection after about 4 hours on the bike for my own sanity. Now I run a 50:1 premix
I have a tail tidy and i dont have a rack and i run tusk bags.I put brackets from Giant Loop on and used the bolts from the old bracket for the tag so you dont need a rack just sayin. Nice bike by the way got my 2021 RL used with 400 miles on it
Good to know.
I would like to offer a little advice for video. Put the camera so it can capture what you're riding through. It's pointed at the handlebars and that's just not a good view/angle to watch. If you can get a helmet mount that goes on your chin and get it set there so it will show what you look at and the trail ahead better. Hope this helps but it's a pretty good video just would like to see more of the trail. 😉
I got the 450x spark arrestor in mine, and currently working on a modified Africa Twin spark arrestor that ALMOST bolts right in. The AT arrestor is a bit loud, but the 450x has a SLIGHTLY deeper tone and a lot of flow. Would recommend that swap. Zeta radiator guards installed on mine as well as the handguards. Would also recommend those, will need to trim side panels though.
Looks like oil pressure. Wich is not there xD
Nice review. 450 is a great high performance dual sport with excellent suspension and Honda reliability; however, oil change interval and high-octane fuel requirements are a significant downside. BDRs, TAT, and most trail riding can be done on a CRF300L (low octane fuel and 8,000 mile oil changes)....The CRF300L has a great cockpit feel and reach. Great seatheight. CRF300l can do 70mph all day, but if you are regularly hitting 80's, you would need to sprocket down...
I previously had a KLX300, roughly equivalent to the CRF300L in most respects. When those two bikes came out, I got the one that became available locally first, the Kawi. My buddy had more patience and was an avowed Honda man, and several months later, he got the 300L. And he threw the whole catalogue it that bike! Every performance upgrade you can think of. He got a whole new shock and had the forks rebuilt, all set up for his weight. We swapped bikes a couple times. The Honda was nicer than the Kawi, and was the better bike most of the time. I thought the Kawasaki was a bit better in tight single track. The Kawi crashed better. His Honda had a tendency to end up with bent brake and shift levers and broken plastics. I replaced my KLX with a dedicated dirt bike since I was using it for single track 90+% of the time. When I started missing having a capable dual sport, I did consider both the 300L or another KLX. But in the end I wanted something more on the dirt bike end of the spectrum. The 300 class dual sport bikes are road bikes which can be taken off road. I wanted the converse, a dirt bike that could be taken on the road. The additional maintenance and premium fuel, to me and my use, is well worth it for the significant upgrade in performance and capability, on road and off.
In every way the 450L is streets ahead of the 300L, way better suspension, wayyyyy lighter, way better componentry, about 20 more HP, better lights, will do 70+ mph all day, more fun to ride, safer on the road as easier to overtake. Now you can't have all of that and 8000 mile service intervals, and frankly who realistically needs that - could do the Idaho BDR and then probably the Washington one as well without changing the oil - doing 1500 miles is fine, the manual 600 miles is overly conservative, there's absolutely no need to change oil that regularly unless you are racing the bike. The real beauty of the 450L is it really is a unicorn, you could do an enduro, you can do BDRs, you could do the Baja on it, you could ad a few bits, as you would with any bike, and do an actual rally and be competitive - you ain't seriously gonna do that on a 300L!
@@mikefletcher6595 All true! I love my 450L, wouldn't trade it for anything. I live in the oregon desert and change my oil around 1000-1200 mile range unless I do something real dusty. Amazing bike, amazing power, super fun!
Nice video and nice CRf450L you have. Wow, a 50-mile commute to work each workday. Must be a very good job. 🙂 I bought my 2021 CRF450RL used, too, with 614 miles on it and for a price low enough to do a double-take. It practically didn't have a scratch, so I think the original owner used it on the street only. I also think an aftermarket ECU is well worth the money. I got a Vortex one and ten seconds riding the bike with the Vortex ECU proved to me that just putting up with the stock ECU mapping (like I originally planned to do) just doesn't compare. To me, the bike feels best off-road going fast over rough terrain, at least 3rd gear or higher. Not surprising since the CRF450L/RL is simply a street legal CRF450X, and the CRF450X is one of the Kings of Baja. Sure, I also ride it down trails through the woods, but opening it up a bit on faster terrain always feels great and the bike excels at it.
I agree. Since getting a dirtbike plated is pretty easy to do in Texas, I would have gladly taken either the 450L or 450X whenever I got the L. Now that I’ve used the L to haul the bags and all that on a multi-day dual sport ride, I’m glad no X was available when I made the purchase. I love the beefy subframe. To me, the L is a 450X made street legal from the factory.
Nice looking trail; Texas?
Yes, Floresville, Texas
@@jwaller1327 My son lives in NE Austin and I am in AZ. I assume this is private land, is this a pay to ride type of thing or?
It’s private. I’m a member of Dirt Bikers of San Antonio club. It’s club property. Membership is around $200 per year. Non-members can be sponsored by a member for $20. It’s a bit of a haul from NE Austin. There’s Spoaks Ranch in Lockhart, not too far from Austin. I believe it’s $30 per rider per day and you don’t need a sponsor. But it’s only open on weekends I think.
Awesome Justin!
Nice!
Love my 2023 road legal CRF450RX
Are you in the USA? I believe they come road legal in some countries. I was able to get a CRF250RX plated in Texas with a little work. The close ratio 5 speed transmission made it not ideal for road duties.
Which bike were you coming from? Sounds like a Honda?
I was on a CRF250RX
What a great ‘realistic’ video. If it puts a smile on your face, that’s awesome! Not everyone is the greatest rider Kudos to you for being a great dad, being honest and just plain out having fun on a bike! Hope that kinda’ made sense? To me it was just a refreshing realistic video. Thanks for sharing.
Thanks! That was our first time to ever ride real off road. I'm so glad I decided to give it a shot. I stopped riding on pavement for fun, only street riding to commute, really. We ride dirt for fun almost exclusively now. The off road community has been great, I've made some great friends riding in the dirt. And I've learned a lot. I'd thought of deleting the video as it's almost embarrassing to see how bad I was in the dirt, but we all do have to start somewhere!
Love my new 2023 Beta 300RR! Rekluse clutched for the technical, rocky,gnarly, hilly stuff we do up here in north eastern Ontario Canada. Great bikes with a lot of character. A smart carb is in my future for next season. It’s snowing outside right now.🙄
I would not recommend the smart carbs/ lectrons / similar products. They still do require adjustment. Just follow the jetting chart in your manual and those settings will get you closer and will give better throttle response compared to the smart carb. I will say the lectrons/ smart carbs do help if you are riding in wildly different elevations but if you're not riding at 2000 ft elev one day and then 10k the following day, would not recommend.
I have a 2008 Yamaha WR450 and a 2023 Beta 300RR. I definitely prefer the Beta in the tight single track stuff but I love my WR for the more open trails. The torquey power and feeling of being shot out of a cannon is very addictive on the WR. My friend who is twenty years my junior and very fast cannot keep up to me on his KTM 300TPI when we’re on the open trails and I’m on my WR but when it gets tight he’s faster. Both bikes have their place and I enjoy them equally on the appropriate terrain, but not vice versa!
Nice save!
I’m sure you figured out by now, but I noticed when you’re hitting the hills and in the tight to Terrain with both bikes, you would probably be having more fun in a higher gear and more clutch work not talking shit just something I noticed enjoy
For your watchers: Beta Cross Trainer is a 300 2 stroke, not as hot as the Beta 300RR and can get lights etc plugged into it's harness. It has an oil inj. pump, no premixing gas.
I have the 450rl. My favorite riding is steep tricky trails. I’m considering the xtrainer for that. I’m 6’2” with long legs. In Oregon we can’t plate dirt bikes. I’m also considering the KTM 350exc-f and Beta 350rr-s. The Beta is probably heavier than I want. I’m still at a novice level of skill
I rode a buddy’s Beta 390 Race Edition, which has the same weight, approximately, as the Beta 350. There wasn’t much difference between it and the 450L. I haven’t tried the 4-stroke KTMs except the 500. If you have to get a road legal plated bike to do the tricky stuff, technical I’m guessing, I’d get the lightest 4-stroke you can find. Probably a KTM or Husqvarna. If it’s being added to your stable and you’re keeping the 450RL, try a 2-stroke for the technical stuff. I tried the Beta 300RR, the Beta 200RR, and the Husqvarna TE300. Those were all significantly easier to ride in technical stuff than the Beta 390 or CRF.
I rode a buddy’s Beta 390 Race Edition, which has the same weight, approximately, as the Beta 350. There wasn’t much difference between it and the 450L. I haven’t tried the 4-stroke KTMs except the 500. If you have to get a road legal plated bike to do the tricky stuff, technical I’m guessing, I’d get the lightest 4-stroke you can find. Probably a KTM or Husqvarna. If it’s being added to your stable and you’re keeping the 450RL, try a 2-stroke for the technical stuff. I tried the Beta 300RR, the Beta 200RR, and the Husqvarna TE300. Those were all significantly easier to ride in technical stuff than the Beta 390 or CRF.
Nice to see the comparison of the two bikes. You said that you had both bikes suspension’s setup. Did they make the x trainer stiffer or softer for you ? I’m kind of interested in the x trainer. We ride kind of sandy flowing trails , with some whoops and some roots to contend with , but not real slow or fast. Probably any were-from first to sometimes 3 and maybe an 4 th on a fire road. Would the x handle that kind of riding ?
I had to get heavier springs to stiffen up the suspension. I have no problem taking my XTrainer up to 40+ mph on terrain like that fire road to the back of the property in the video, sandy and rocky at places. It only seems like a weakness after riding back to back with a bike better suited for high speed stuff.
@@jwaller1327 Ok thanks , if you don’t mind,what do you weigh. I’m 180.
250 lbs without gear.
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Great detail, nice loop. What state is this?
Floresville, TX
@@jwaller1327 Very nice, I’m in Massachusetts and we ride rocks almost constantly. X Trainer is in my future. I have a 23 Beta 200 race and it’s a great bike but a little stiff, gotta to soften up.
@@davidmichael7422 The Beta 200 Race Edition was the bike that convinced me that I needed a 2-stroke. I have a buddy with the 200 and 300, both Race Editions, and the XTrainer. I rode all three quite a bit before pulling the trigger. The only reason I didn't go with the 200 is because I'm 250+ and thought it might be a problem if I took it to the mountains where it would lose a little power. So then it was between the XTrainer and 300RR. I have short legs and a long torso, a Fred Flinstone sort of build, and the XTrainer is easier for me to get on and off of. I might some day put an exhaust from the 300RR on my XTrainer, but for now, I'm enjoying it as is.
What a shame.
I have a 22 X Trainer and I am 65 Nice bikes
58 years old and love my 2021 Xtrainer! Great trail bike!! Tons of fun!! 627 miles on it and no issues.
Nice bike
Thanks ✌️
Did you try the RR or just the Racing Edition? How is the suspension filling please? Thanks
I only got to ride the race edition of the 200, the 300, and the 390, and also the XTrainer. So I can’t comment on the suspension of the standard RR. The suspension on the Race Edition bikes is very good, even though none of the bikes I test rode were set up for my weight. In a word, I’d describe the suspension as precise. Very confidence inspiring.
I can say that the suspension on the RR is made by Sachs and softer than the RE which has KYB suspension. The RR is oil injected and the power delivery is a bit softer/mellower. They still run great and are a blast and actually fit more regular riders than race edition. The harder you push the RE the better it is. Hope this helps!
Looks like Zars, but wider trails.
Well, yeah, this little trail does, but then there's about 50-100 times as much mileage that is nothing at all like Zars. Also, harder pack soil, rockier, with loose layer of sand, even on this trail.
Cool. What springs did you put in your x trainer , and what do you weigh ? I’m 180 , do you find that the x trainer is to soft to handle some whoops or does it handle then fine ?
I put on the springs for my weight, a number I'm not proud of, but it is what it is, lol. With the springs for my weight, it was okay on the whoops, which I hit between 20 mph and 30 mph. I didn't bottom out the suspension with the springs. I am about 280 with my gear, so I got the springs for 280 lbs. I couldn't have gone over the whoops like that with the bike stock, obviously. I never tried to. I'd think at your weight, the XTrainer would be okay. It's not going to be able to fly through that stuff like a cross country bike, but it's a really fun little bike.
Dude my new 2024 klx 300 doing this what is it?
I ended up trading mine in. I later heard that it was a faulty kickstand switch, though I can’t confirm that. But it is something to check. And the clutch safety switch. Good luck.
That sucks! I’m gonna bring it in today. Hopefully they can fix the issue, I know the betas are the real deal would like to upgrade one day
Got mine 4 days ago.
It sure is a great bike in the woods. Lots of fun!