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great video!
Thank you 🙏
Great episode, but should have went more into why OPC has such a hard defining a legitimate standard.
I watched this video again, and i still don't see Emerson has any DT strategy. 😂 Maybe we need Walker make another video to review Emerson 's DT strategy again.
Maybe one day they’ll learn!
Do I need an ERP system if I build my UNS correctly?😊
ERP would be the name of the functions you created yourself in the UNS. So yes & no.
Data is needed for 4.0 but if you have manual mills and lathes still on your plant floor as many companies still do (JBT is one) the collection of the data is done by the operator manually inputting the production time, parts completed on the shift, setup, scrap, other information into a computer by hand. This is usually done at the end of the shift (bad) and error sneaks into this data so a better way to collect accurate data for these machines is needed, not just run time, downtime, coolant, or lubrication issues but true production data. There will always be error in the data with human input. Legacy companies don't see this as an issue, they still do the same thing they have for years. So If you always do what you have always done, you will always get what you have always got. Their eyes are still closed to 4.0 when it come to data, they think adding a CNC is 4.0 but not collecting the data from it still have operators input of data. Just plan silly to try to get them to understand this as you say the smartest people on the plant floor but they don't make the decisions on how the company runs, someone hundreds or thousands of miles away at a corporate office is. 45 plus years in industry and education with over a half dozen companies working in machining, its a mess out there, legacy companies just don't GET IT.
W.W... who do you figure that is? Woodrow Wilson...? Willy Wonka? Web-based wireframe technologies?
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Excellent interview. As someone more on the IT side, I appreciate the history and decisions around OPC.
Thanks for watching!
Y'all got me all nostalgic. :) I worked at STAC from 96 to 2000. Great times.
Thank you for sharing!
Thank you Walker! Others can learn about the ownership and middle class jobs. Take 0. 🙂🙏
Absolutely!
I think you should change the way you make your videos, cause poeple wants to see and clearly read information on the screen , not your head or your shoulders...this for improvement
We moved back to using the light board, so he no longer blocks what he writes!
Can you point me to the video that you explain about all software for industrial manufacturing, I would like to understand more about what is the Red color of CRM AR/AP SHIPPING WMS meaning , etc , I tried to search all other videos but end up with no specific video for it , Thanks you
The IIoT / Industry 4.0 Rant is a good video that covers software at all the layers in the manufacturing workflow. have you seen that one?
You are my slave tho
So we now know something about salt mines how about explaining , what is , the unified namespace?
We explain that in several videos, such as this one: What is the UNIFIED NAMESPACE? kzread.info/dash/bejne/gnaTm6qCl7aph8Y.html
The structure of the business and all of the events Single source of truth for all data and information in the business (not system of ownership) The place where current state lives The hub through which smart things in your business communicate The architectural foundation of an Industry 4 and Digital Transformation Initiative (strategy) I think you struggle with the difference between MQTT Broker and UNS. 🙏
I've been in this dog fight for 12 years with "higher up's". Awesome observation.
Looking forward to learning about and seeing this at ProveIt!
They literally said nothing. Basically, they are supplying the hardware for some large software companies to run cloud AI, probably Microsoft.
it's important to note that the infrastructure is needed in order to train your AI models. As Michael Dell said, without data, you have no AI, and with bad data, you have bad AI. Technically yes, AI Factories is a marketing term, but it's very real how this is happening on the plant floor. Thanks for commenting! Feel free to check out some of our other videos!
It does sound a bit like two CEOs saying buy our stuff because it will make you cool.
Nice Videos! After a long run in plant-floor engineering I recently picked up a job in R&D (both new products and new mfg methods) for a manufacturing organization. The data scene is quite different, and typically straight forward north-stars like OEE have a different meaning here. Do you have any content on how departments that flank manufacturing might get involved in UNS? Thanks!
Stefan Hoppe watched this video! He tried to address it in the Q&A at the end of the OPC Day International - Day 5 (Asia/Europe) session.
What did you think about his response?
In a word "defensive". Not willing to acknowledge anything is wrong. He said there's one person (meaning you) against the OPC-F. He agreed with Tom that adoption is king and said they have adoption. Overall a very unimpressive response.
Thanks for sharing! Did Stefan see part 51:09 ?
Amazing conversation! Thank you Tom for all of your hard work to start OPC, and transparency on where it could improve. I learned a lot from this conversation, would love to see a pt 2 with Tony Paine
Great historical moment once again ✅
Another must watch to get a picture on the origins of OT protocol development
Great podcast!
Much appreciated!
This is awesome, congratulations Walker and Tom!
Glad you enjoyed it!
What a cool fire side chat this will be🎉
We agree!
25 plus years in Manufacturing starting in a toolroom to a plant manager and now a consultant in CNC and metals machining and fabrication. I find most manufacturer higher ups don't have a clue as to how the plant floor runs and people on the shop floor don't have much respect for them, just someone in an office pushing paper or messing up the machining production. Then another 25 years teaching manufacturing I find most higher ups don't listen to their shop floor people or education.
We agree, which is why we tell executives constantly that they are not the smartest people in the organization - it’s the people on the plant floor, who do the actual work.
I appreciate the ability to see the behind the scenes of how the OPC sauce was made. I for one would love to see a biography come out showcasing the real unabridged history for each and every industry association - it's helpful information. With that being said, my comment is specifically about the language Tom Burke and many others from automation industry associations state. They all universally talk about “adoption is king, we need to market this better”. To me, this prevailing mindset signifies that industry associations still just don't get it and are likely incapable of ever getting it. It's backwards. You don't sell adoption. Adoption is sold by your users & developers after publicly releasing the asset for developers to meet user needs. OPC and others sell first, worry about meeting actual needs later. This is absolute clownery. Many products exist and are widely known but they are absolute dumpster fires because they don't solve the user's needs. Tom explicitly talks about selling an idea without ever having proven anything to anyone, chiefly by virtue of appealing to big names through status instead of caring about the end user and developers. This is the fundamental difference. True publicized assets - AKA open source technology - prove themselves first by solving real needs and do so by making all associated artifacts are made public. This includes all technical and social artifacts. The mere fact that the specifications are hidden behind paywalls - a childish and petty behavior to say the least - continues to show contempt for transparency and publicized assets. Tom's got a lot of great wisdom, I just hoped to see these aforementioned points covered in much greater detail. It seems to me that symptomatic issues were discussed without addressing the critical, hard hitting topics at hand - namely the several bad actors within the OPC Foundation and its clear political gifts with big consulting companies like Accenture. I was disappointed to not hear Tom discuss the blatantly obvious fact that the OPC Foundation has never been just a “standards” organization but also a lobbying one deeply involved with politics.
Thanks Enri! Who should we bring on next to move forward the cause?
@@4.0Solutions As far as calling out bad actors, I like the direct action Giovanni Tarone and Alan Quayle are doing on the telco side. On the app development side, FUTO (although not explicitly labeled as industrial automation) hits directly on the point of ownership and security through open source. Thomas Quieter from the Mobility Independence Foundation is a great champion of true publicized assets and brings a beautiful perspective into why publicized assets are important. My advice to Tom from the OPC Foundation is to come clean and write an autobiography detailing the bad acting of the association. It's time we have serious public whistleblowing on the nefarious acts of prominent industry associations. I'm happy to make introductions to the folks I mentioned earlier.
Great podcast. Long overdue. Keep up the good work :)
Much appreciated!
Loved this podcast. Brought back some memories of the old days. Also remembered when AB/Rockwell bought ICOM. We used their software as well as AB6200 software. ICOM was known back then to put on a great show. I heard stories and got to experience some of them. Thanks, Walker and Tom.
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This podcast has laid the foundation for many people and organizations "to do the right things" (as Tom and Walker described) in industrial communication on L2 and will probably be seen as the day the switch was set.
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This podcast is incredible! 💯
I almost have no words for how much I liked this episode, or how much I learned from it. I think I could listen to stories from Tom for hours. Some of my takeaways: (1) This statement by Tom is pure gold and I will not forget it any time soon: "Success is measured by the level of adoption." That's just how it is, that's real. It's probably why we just can't get rid of Modbus, as outdated as it is. (2) I am guilty of taking it for granted that Classic OPC was invented, but I really did not realize how much work went into getting it done and adopted. Years of work! (3) A lot of cool technical things can be done, but unless it's at a hobbyist level, then the following is essential ... (a) that the solution be made as accessible to implement as possible (b) that it has a real world value proposition ... otherwise you possibly get "so why should I adopt this?" ... question. (4) A possible way forward for the foundation is to go back to the core role of Classic OPC which was process control. Concentrate at getting adoption and the implementation at the embedded level. Thanks for this amazing interview Walker!
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Great stuff
Interesting talk, but I think someone needs to go there and fix Tom's ceiling on the right. I think there is a bathroom over there and water is leaking through the floor.
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This reminds me of Azure IoT response... Why is 80% of the standard not used (Why does OPC fail)? Because no one implemented it. 🤣
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Favorite quote: Show them the art of possible
So excited for this podcast!!!!
Looking forward to it! Regarding Distribution, at my last event in the US I made a poll on stage to make sure I knew who the audience was, this was the result: 40% vendors , 30% integrators , 15% manufacturers, 15% other
My new employer, 1st week at production line. All lines 1-2 hrs each key position. This was the best way to understand what kind of problems workers must deal. My obserwations ? They know how to make job better and faster. Technology may help but their suggestions are even better. No one talked to them. Someone was comming, here this is new system , tool, use it. Culture, values, vision. None of the points mentioned were taken seriously
You are in the right track. Thanks for joining the community. Please leverage the discord community for help
Great video. When do using Big Query seem more relevant to you than a time series database like InfluxDB, Timescale? I guess it's a question of "and", not "or".
Yes, exactly
I’ve spent 25+ years working in industry for consultants and distributors. I did spend a couple of years working for an OEM. While I learned alot, I never learned it all. Most if not all of the people I worked with, were straight out of college and had no field experience. Most engineers working for consultants are the same.
If "MRP Easy" will be at the conference, I'm there!
Let's build a bridge!
@@4.0SolutionsMRPeasy doesn't need to engage the community... The name says it all.. easy Peasy!
I worked as an edge developer for a very large F&B manufacturer for a year. I only set foot on the packaging floor once.
Looking forward to it!
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Always wondered about that regarding PLCs and webservices... Also I still don't understand entirely why the PLC (which is a type of computer) couldn't be replaced by a computer with similar control and computational capabilities and also have webservices :)...
They do offer that. it's a soft-plc. or software plc. The stigma was they were less robust.
I’ve certainly become an IIoT evangelist and have fully embraced the concept of open-source digital solutions as the way forward. This is after spending a significant portion of my career influenced by large multinational companies like Schneider Electric, Honeywell, and Siemens. Clearly, the digital education evolution is here. Manufacturers are increasingly becoming self-sufficient by leveraging the benefits of digital technologies. Where does this leave the traditional systems integrators who have supported legacy automation close-source systems by advocating open-source? How should systems integrators pivot to support a digital manufacturing enterprise? Should they transform into technology educators?
Can tulip interface with SAP? And to what extent?
Whatever you do, I just love it. Your human values are the chains. ❤
Thank you!
control control ,if ppl pulled their head out of their ass and claim your property and monetize your own data.How you think they build those new models /It isnt random they find the mf who got all those skills ,to build the most advance a.i.BUt I kept the cutting edge stuff ,which will bottleneck their system.