People will derive meaning from conflict. The future is Klingon.
@stefaneekenulv41917 сағат бұрын
Wow! Great Great interview with my fav thinker Samo
@collie8Күн бұрын
1:07:00
@StoddardianКүн бұрын
Mass urbanization leads to population collapse. We're seeing this now in real time all over the "advanced countries". The only country I can think of that was able to seriously increase its birth rate in a short time was 1930s Germany. Today it's even worse than ever because of an increasing number of women spending their most fertile years pursuing degrees and careers. It's extremely politically incorrect to say it, but it's an undeniable fact. This whole "progressive" model of civilization is doomed. Something more traditional will eventually replace it.
@thomasoneill8802 күн бұрын
great content in essence, I must say I dislike whatever efficiency algorithm is being run to skip through the space though... big fan of natural spacing...
@bookzdotmedia2 күн бұрын
Excellent!
@stefaneekenulv4192 күн бұрын
Wonderful
@indi_prime2 күн бұрын
Burja opens with organisms themselves being the best entropy-resistant storage device. The eugenic effects of legal traditions are unexplored for obvious reasons in the current cultural climate. Universities were founded as places of Christian worship, centred around the belief that there is a single mind giving order to reality and to be in harmony with that order, the minds will, one must bring their mind, body and soul into alignment, otherwise knowledge will not be revealed and that which has already been revealed will be abused and/or degenerate. The assumption that this singular mind does not lie, and is purely good, is also foundational for the development of such an intellectual tradition otherwise the observable energy abundance created will be siphoned off to be exploited and corrupted in pursuit of sin, engaged in on the basis the mind can lie (just as ours can), is in some way unjust (just as we are), is non-existant (as we once were) or is one of many reality defining beings whose favour can earned in a transactional, sacrificial or servile sense (just as we interact with each other).
@scottanderson72853 күн бұрын
Best interview I've watched all year. Not just from you, all of KZread.
@LivBoeree3 күн бұрын
Thank you!!!
@juliuskasparkoch3 күн бұрын
Love your conversation! Also, the topic of plastic-disolving enzymes (catalysed by the ML revolution) could be interessting for Wes and his business. How great would it be if a plastic manufacturer gets behind that and drives this innovation.
@LivBoeree3 күн бұрын
agreed!
@raphaels21033 күн бұрын
That was really good
@lurkern3 күн бұрын
I love samo, great episode 🎉
@GlennGaasland3 күн бұрын
This was great :) Could you interview someone who is doing something really interesting in the field of collaborative sensemaking and collective intelligence? For example genAI systems in creative dialogue, with many human curators in the loop, to gradually build new ideas, concepts and insights as an open source research project? Surely someone must be working on something like that, since this would seem like the most realistic path towards keeping alive at least some cultural intelligence and creativity within the commons. If a technology like LLMs, so clearly a child of the intellectual commons, where not also used creatively by the commons, this would seem like an unbelievable tragedy. I am sure someone is working on this, and if you know anyone, please help bring some more attention to it!
@LivBoeree3 күн бұрын
Yes I have the meaning alignment folks in mind!
@MrJimheeren3 күн бұрын
I know it’s annoying that Coca Cola broke his record. But aren’t these guys also huge donors of ocean cleanup.
@nonenone77613 күн бұрын
I love that he shit all over Jack Welch.
@zacboyles13963 күн бұрын
My criticism is coming first, don’t let it discourage… Reciprocity is an excuse children make before they understand how weak and feeble it is. Its reflexive use, to defend yet another argument for authoritarian censorship, is embarrassing and doesn’t stand up to all but the most shallow consideration. We seem to be embracing the hypocrisy and egotistical behavior previously left to the shadows of Western foreign policy. I suppose it’s rather on point for this interview, highlighting the degradation of reason but also the kind of Moloch mentality Liv often exposes. That out of the way, great guest, I appreciate his ability to cut through all the power center narratives to construct a more meaningful understanding of the past and present.
@zacharyb27234 күн бұрын
Bro these youtube short are just TikTok.
@richardkut39764 күн бұрын
Good stuff, thanks.
@ziyahasan49524 күн бұрын
Liv, you are simply amazing!
@LivBoeree4 күн бұрын
thank you!
@adrianr9094 күн бұрын
Congrats on 100k subs! Another great Win-Win episode!
@aaroninternet41594 күн бұрын
Amazing interview! Thanks :)
@wisnoskij4 күн бұрын
I dont really understand OpenAI the point here. People being mad that a board acted against a CEO succeeding in all metrics is not the same thing as people being unable to comprehend a board doing anything. You can be mad when a good employee gets fired and still think that an important part of a bosses job is firing the under performers. Unless I am missing something, you would want to find evidence of people getting mad at a board doing a good job and ousting a under performing CEO for evidence to backup the idea that boards are not capable of governing CEOs any longer.
@ArunKumar-tk8mi5 күн бұрын
What is this "gwern,net" samo is talking about at 1:17:17?
@l.a.mottern31065 күн бұрын
A problem with Peer Review is.....What if you have no Peers. Think about it and its ramifications :-D
@andrewjarvis40745 күн бұрын
That explains why one of my last videos got a ton of hits for no reason... Tell you what TikTok you keep the fame, I'll keep the money 🙄
@junkjunk24935 күн бұрын
long live iron maiden shes the queen
@hyperTorless5 күн бұрын
Based Samo!
@2021philyou5 күн бұрын
An excellent fireside chat with Samo Burja. One of the few content full and thought provoking video on youtube!
@LivBoeree4 күн бұрын
Glad you enjoyed it!
@ip62895 күн бұрын
Good questions, really. And very interesting guest! Thank you both.
@gavinhillick5 күн бұрын
I'm nine minutes in. About an hour, I read an article on two recent incidents of major turbulence on Boeing airliners that made climate change the culprit without ever mentioning the deteriorating safety and quality standards following its merger with a weapons manufacturer. I bet we'll be hearing a lot more of this in the near future and may see this world without (commercial) air travel before very long.
@razahasanovic37235 күн бұрын
Awesome podcast. Thank you both 🙏🙏
@Nors2Ka5 күн бұрын
Not boycotting palm oil? Ok, easy way to dismiss everything else that was said, thanks.
@Ovoid6 күн бұрын
Interesting discussion, just wanted to drop a comment -- as someone who stumbled on this podcast / video series just now, who is the other guy? I went back to the start and realized i hadn't heard him introduced him as "occasional cohost, Igor" , but it seems kinda weird there's no mention of him in the show notes or credits -- i thought he was a good addition and appreciated the third voice in the conversation, but as someone not familiar with the show, would loved a little more context (or maybe he's actually a super advanced ai assistant that Liv has dubbed "Igor"? haha) Thanks to all three of you guys for the thought-provoking episode, looking forward to checking out more
@LivBoeree5 күн бұрын
Haha yeah that’s my other half Igor Kurganov who sometimes joins, I should add him to the credits, thanks for the reminder!
@maxclark54966 күн бұрын
found it super interesting how he descibred our elites as senescent, parasitical, and non agentive. this is very similar how henry george describes late empires when the lower class are unambitious, because they do not have fair access to land and the upper class is only concerned with maintaining their land monopoly and not actually producing.
@micsolana6 күн бұрын
brilliant
@thomascummings75896 күн бұрын
Wow, a pleasure of listening to smart people having a healthy discussion.
@416dl6 күн бұрын
Very interesting interview. I'm always listen with great interest to Samo's perspectives which are always so well grounded in his deep and broad grasp of history and the implications. He'd make a great guest for Lex. Cheers.
@foswa63356 күн бұрын
Samo is such a gifted speaker. His point at 1:38:53 is amazingly put.
@ViolosD2I6 күн бұрын
Definitely seen the part of writing papers in quantity being the objective rather than advancing the science, including people scheming how many separate papers they could squeeze out of one topic rather than writing one concise report of all its aspects.
@emmanueldiechristengemeins92716 күн бұрын
enjoyed it, thank you both!
@SuperBadGPT6 күн бұрын
Excellent presentation.
@i_want_youtube_anonymity70996 күн бұрын
Who made the background music to your intro? It's absolutely lit.
@LivBoeree6 күн бұрын
Right?! Its Hadouken by Lupus Nocte
@i_want_youtube_anonymity70996 күн бұрын
OMG I love the intro/outro vibe/music! Also Samo is so inspiring!
@Dystisis6 күн бұрын
"Maybe in our quest to make knowledge legible too early, we sometimes destroy what makes it viable." Holy fuck why did no one tell me advisors this.
@puck_nz7 күн бұрын
Epic.
@JonathanDavisKookaburra7 күн бұрын
Another very excellent topic of discussion and guest.
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People will derive meaning from conflict. The future is Klingon.
Wow! Great Great interview with my fav thinker Samo
1:07:00
Mass urbanization leads to population collapse. We're seeing this now in real time all over the "advanced countries". The only country I can think of that was able to seriously increase its birth rate in a short time was 1930s Germany. Today it's even worse than ever because of an increasing number of women spending their most fertile years pursuing degrees and careers. It's extremely politically incorrect to say it, but it's an undeniable fact. This whole "progressive" model of civilization is doomed. Something more traditional will eventually replace it.
great content in essence, I must say I dislike whatever efficiency algorithm is being run to skip through the space though... big fan of natural spacing...
Excellent!
Wonderful
Burja opens with organisms themselves being the best entropy-resistant storage device. The eugenic effects of legal traditions are unexplored for obvious reasons in the current cultural climate. Universities were founded as places of Christian worship, centred around the belief that there is a single mind giving order to reality and to be in harmony with that order, the minds will, one must bring their mind, body and soul into alignment, otherwise knowledge will not be revealed and that which has already been revealed will be abused and/or degenerate. The assumption that this singular mind does not lie, and is purely good, is also foundational for the development of such an intellectual tradition otherwise the observable energy abundance created will be siphoned off to be exploited and corrupted in pursuit of sin, engaged in on the basis the mind can lie (just as ours can), is in some way unjust (just as we are), is non-existant (as we once were) or is one of many reality defining beings whose favour can earned in a transactional, sacrificial or servile sense (just as we interact with each other).
Best interview I've watched all year. Not just from you, all of KZread.
Thank you!!!
Love your conversation! Also, the topic of plastic-disolving enzymes (catalysed by the ML revolution) could be interessting for Wes and his business. How great would it be if a plastic manufacturer gets behind that and drives this innovation.
agreed!
That was really good
I love samo, great episode 🎉
This was great :) Could you interview someone who is doing something really interesting in the field of collaborative sensemaking and collective intelligence? For example genAI systems in creative dialogue, with many human curators in the loop, to gradually build new ideas, concepts and insights as an open source research project? Surely someone must be working on something like that, since this would seem like the most realistic path towards keeping alive at least some cultural intelligence and creativity within the commons. If a technology like LLMs, so clearly a child of the intellectual commons, where not also used creatively by the commons, this would seem like an unbelievable tragedy. I am sure someone is working on this, and if you know anyone, please help bring some more attention to it!
Yes I have the meaning alignment folks in mind!
I know it’s annoying that Coca Cola broke his record. But aren’t these guys also huge donors of ocean cleanup.
I love that he shit all over Jack Welch.
My criticism is coming first, don’t let it discourage… Reciprocity is an excuse children make before they understand how weak and feeble it is. Its reflexive use, to defend yet another argument for authoritarian censorship, is embarrassing and doesn’t stand up to all but the most shallow consideration. We seem to be embracing the hypocrisy and egotistical behavior previously left to the shadows of Western foreign policy. I suppose it’s rather on point for this interview, highlighting the degradation of reason but also the kind of Moloch mentality Liv often exposes. That out of the way, great guest, I appreciate his ability to cut through all the power center narratives to construct a more meaningful understanding of the past and present.
Bro these youtube short are just TikTok.
Good stuff, thanks.
Liv, you are simply amazing!
thank you!
Congrats on 100k subs! Another great Win-Win episode!
Amazing interview! Thanks :)
I dont really understand OpenAI the point here. People being mad that a board acted against a CEO succeeding in all metrics is not the same thing as people being unable to comprehend a board doing anything. You can be mad when a good employee gets fired and still think that an important part of a bosses job is firing the under performers. Unless I am missing something, you would want to find evidence of people getting mad at a board doing a good job and ousting a under performing CEO for evidence to backup the idea that boards are not capable of governing CEOs any longer.
What is this "gwern,net" samo is talking about at 1:17:17?
A problem with Peer Review is.....What if you have no Peers. Think about it and its ramifications :-D
That explains why one of my last videos got a ton of hits for no reason... Tell you what TikTok you keep the fame, I'll keep the money 🙄
long live iron maiden shes the queen
Based Samo!
An excellent fireside chat with Samo Burja. One of the few content full and thought provoking video on youtube!
Glad you enjoyed it!
Good questions, really. And very interesting guest! Thank you both.
I'm nine minutes in. About an hour, I read an article on two recent incidents of major turbulence on Boeing airliners that made climate change the culprit without ever mentioning the deteriorating safety and quality standards following its merger with a weapons manufacturer. I bet we'll be hearing a lot more of this in the near future and may see this world without (commercial) air travel before very long.
Awesome podcast. Thank you both 🙏🙏
Not boycotting palm oil? Ok, easy way to dismiss everything else that was said, thanks.
Interesting discussion, just wanted to drop a comment -- as someone who stumbled on this podcast / video series just now, who is the other guy? I went back to the start and realized i hadn't heard him introduced him as "occasional cohost, Igor" , but it seems kinda weird there's no mention of him in the show notes or credits -- i thought he was a good addition and appreciated the third voice in the conversation, but as someone not familiar with the show, would loved a little more context (or maybe he's actually a super advanced ai assistant that Liv has dubbed "Igor"? haha) Thanks to all three of you guys for the thought-provoking episode, looking forward to checking out more
Haha yeah that’s my other half Igor Kurganov who sometimes joins, I should add him to the credits, thanks for the reminder!
found it super interesting how he descibred our elites as senescent, parasitical, and non agentive. this is very similar how henry george describes late empires when the lower class are unambitious, because they do not have fair access to land and the upper class is only concerned with maintaining their land monopoly and not actually producing.
brilliant
Wow, a pleasure of listening to smart people having a healthy discussion.
Very interesting interview. I'm always listen with great interest to Samo's perspectives which are always so well grounded in his deep and broad grasp of history and the implications. He'd make a great guest for Lex. Cheers.
Samo is such a gifted speaker. His point at 1:38:53 is amazingly put.
Definitely seen the part of writing papers in quantity being the objective rather than advancing the science, including people scheming how many separate papers they could squeeze out of one topic rather than writing one concise report of all its aspects.
enjoyed it, thank you both!
Excellent presentation.
Who made the background music to your intro? It's absolutely lit.
Right?! Its Hadouken by Lupus Nocte
OMG I love the intro/outro vibe/music! Also Samo is so inspiring!
"Maybe in our quest to make knowledge legible too early, we sometimes destroy what makes it viable." Holy fuck why did no one tell me advisors this.
Epic.
Another very excellent topic of discussion and guest.