Now we want a steering CLIMB!

@grahammackiebedford

4 жыл бұрын

If anybody works out a Kickr Climb Sterzo hack let me know how you do it - someone must be able to find a way ?

@davem1966

4 жыл бұрын

I hope kickr is working on something that works with the climb

@Demon09-_-

4 жыл бұрын

@@davem1966 hopefully but sadly they have to wait 10 months as elite got a deal for that long with the protocol zwift is using

Another concise yet comprehensive review by the King. Thanks DC! I am a very keen racer and now am sweating on being able to use the 3rd set of buttons on my Stages bike. Will also help massively in the WTRL format - 8 members rolling turns is often a shambles at the moment.

DC Rainmaker always brightens up my day ...I’m not into all this steering lark but your enthusiasm and knowledge is always worth a like ...long live the Rainmaker 👌🏻🚴🏻

@Dcrainmaker

4 жыл бұрын

Haha...thanks!

Bought this morning. Lost my Tacx steering block when I sold my old trainer and tyre has been on the floor. Bonus feature now is connectivity and steering, #win.

Awesome, ordered! I tried the phone mount thing and that completely sucked but this looks like it’s going to work in meaningful way. Even though I rarely race, I see it making regular riding more engaging especially as more people adopt them. £69.99 in the UK Zwift store which isn’t unreasonable at all

Great review! Thank you!!

Ordered! I've been waiting for this for a year!

@thelmaviaduct

3 жыл бұрын

What do you think of it?

I thought this was a stupid idea, I had the original Tacx iMagic Steerer and never used it, but after watching this review I've changed my mind (well sort of), in races I can see it being useful, when riding by myself I wouldn't use it, in terms of an advantage in races, well that is no different to having a faster bike, buy it or earn it, just like in real life 😀, great review thanks

This looks awesome!

Awesome and thank you. Just purchased one solely based on your review.

@Dcrainmaker

4 жыл бұрын

Hope you enjoy it!

@craigthomasutube

4 жыл бұрын

captain pugwash From what I hear you’ll need to use the Companion app if you’re using hrm and smart trainer and an ATV. That’s kinda a bummer.

Just bought one, this looks amazing!

@chrisschafer6212

4 жыл бұрын

Where did you purchase?

@tonykasunic1

4 жыл бұрын

@@chrisschafer6212 The Zwift Store

@chrisschafer6212

4 жыл бұрын

DC Rainmaker Ray do you have it available to order on your site?

@FlandersCycling

4 жыл бұрын

@@Dcrainmaker thanks, comment removed

@Dcrainmaker

4 жыл бұрын

I have a link from the site to Clever Training, which has some on order. Though not expected off the shipping container for a few more weeks.

when you're climbing in a hairpin turn like alpe du zwift, do you feel a difference in the slope if you move from the inner to the outer side of the road?

Love the steering feature. More interactive. Now for Wahoo and Neo to make a smart bike with steering.

Now we need support for this in GT Bike V 🤘🙂

Vacation is looking good on you sir! 👊 (I don't actually know if you're on vacation but whatevs)

@Dcrainmaker

4 жыл бұрын

Haha...thanks! Just a few more days left. :(

@EricB03

4 жыл бұрын

Here comes Zwift’s new pricing of a bunch of people buy this. Pretty cool tech for sure but think I would pass as I don’t race.

At 5:56 it looks like the whole device turns (including the bottom platter) when you try to turn more than it allows it to, does that mean that from that point it is no longer correctly aligned when trying to go straight?

Cool! Any information on whether or not some of the other training sites might end up eventually making this usable on one of their various platforms? Would be really interesting to see whomever else might adapt their system to make something like this more usable within their platform as well. Mine will be here on Tuesday. Can't wait!

Would be cool if wahoo implement this sort of technology into their climb. One device two functions.

I just purchase one. One question how does it perform on climbs? Can I limit the float/swivel.

Cool tech. I went outside for a ride today.

@sebastianwlazlak8042

4 жыл бұрын

alfagtv100 what graphics setting you using riding outside?

Great vid! Regarding people not drafting from you: do other people see you riding to the side of the road? I thought drafting&positions was calculated client side. Will the gradient on hairpins on alpe du zwift change if you take the inner or outer corner?

Hi, do you know if you can connect it to your iPad, along with your trainer, cadence sensor and heart rate monitor?

Now we want wind and echelons! :D

Are you planning to make a review for Galaxy Watch 3 in the near future? It's hard to find good reviews that really test the data regarding accuracy properly, pretty much you and DesFit are the only channels that do good job in that regard...

Does this pair to your hardware device or the trainer? Just wondering how it works if you’ve maxed out your BTV connections on ATV.

Just done the up date on my Sterzo smart whicjh has to done for it carry on work

has any one tried with a kurt kinetic rock and roll, where side to side ( inc front wheel) motion is part of the USP ?

My Sterzo Smart arrived a few days ago and appears to be a "V2". The feet pads are little taller and the bearings are some kind of poly material. It is fun to use in Zwift for sure but loses some of the smooth steering feel with the new bearing material. I may try to swap the bearings with my Sterzo dumb.

Very interesting piece indeed. Thank you DC. I wonder how this would fare with one of those platforms that allow for more realistic movement of the bike, especially when climbing hard or sprinting.

@Dcrainmaker

4 жыл бұрын

Probably fine once you got used to it, sorta a double-double effect.

Hi, how is this when you are out of the saddle pushing on a climb or sprinting? Does your avatar start weaving all over the road?

I wait for Elite UpSterzo coming this winter which lifts up the handle! And then we can all ride into a Polo field🤣

I am putting my unit in the bin and you just cannot keep it connected using either the iPad or a android phone companion app. Worked for a few days then all the Bluetooth singles drop out all the time. I am using a Atv 4K with a Neo and Wahoo chest strap then add it the steering and it will not stay connected . Never had a problem before I added steering. Very good to start with till it goes wrong.

Can you steer to choose different forks in the roads or is that still done through the phone app?

dang who needs the break burrito power up when you can just steer to the side of them LOL

can i use this on my SARIS MP1 rocker plate ?

Thanks for the review Ray, it is awesome, even though not considered a review by you. Do you think Clever Training has them in stock? Thanks

@Dcrainmaker

4 жыл бұрын

They did have them in stock initially, but have gone through their entire allocation for the next few months. :-/

Any chance they will make one which clips to Kickr Climb?

Does anyone know if steering works in meetups ? Since meetups are now races with results

well, for potential future races with steering only, Zwift could allow as a fallback option for the steering in Zwift Companion...

Interesting for keeping a better draft during TTT races... #WTRL

It is ok on a big sprint?

Any stability issues with full lock steer?

Looks great! Can it work with Kickr core and

What about the Tacx Neo Bike Smart?

Your well tuned into many product launches and my question is do you see Wahoo coming out with a similar steering product for those that bought the kicker climb? Sucks to be at a disadvantage and nothing you can do about it.

@Dcrainmaker

4 жыл бұрын

I doubt it. Elite has an exclusive till next April on steering products that aren't integrated into a smart bike.

As a NEO smart bike owner, this is cool, but I'm also sad I won't be able to use it.

This is very cool! Out of curiousity, does the gradient change on something like the Alp when you take the wider line vs the tigher line on a climb?

@Dcrainmaker

4 жыл бұрын

No, no change there that I know of.

@jonkirby980

2 жыл бұрын

One year on and the answer is most definitely, yes it does now, particularly noticeable on hairpin turns.

I use an Apple TV to connect my trainer to Zwift. Are there enough bluetooth channels available for me to use the Sterzo smart as well?

@stewartfeatherstone346

4 жыл бұрын

David Hallam you will hsve to connect via the companion app

In Zwift, can you choose to turn down a different road or are you stuck on the fixed route?

Can you use the steering to decide which course you want to go down when free riding a map? (Ie. Do I want to go towards the volcano or towards the town)

@Dcrainmaker

4 жыл бұрын

No, not at this point.

@Cameroncrazi523

4 жыл бұрын

This would be a huge game changer. They have to be thinking about trying to integrate this functionality at some point.

Any chance that Tacx/Wahoo/Saris will be coming out with a competing product in time for the winter trainer season?

@Dcrainmaker

4 жыл бұрын

Elite has an exclusivity deal till next spring (for non-smart bike bits).

At the moment any Hometrainer Manufacturer decides to use the “climb” feature by descending the rear part of the bike, instead of reaching the front, and Zwift enables a “brake or die” thing... I will be a kid again :) Also when Zwift enables “climb” on a treadmill :) would be much fun

Wondering how long until we see this in the smart bike line up

@Dcrainmaker

4 жыл бұрын

Zwift says it's coming, but the 'how long' part is unknown.

Will it work with the app in an Android phone?

What is that where the rear wheel is

When's the broken collar bone feature coming out? Well, things are getting more realistic.

@Dcrainmaker

4 жыл бұрын

If you sprint hard enough indoors near a staircase, you can enable it.

@BananaChipzzz

4 жыл бұрын

Dylan Groenewegen has entered the chat...

@paulflory3532

3 жыл бұрын

Already have one, thanks. Not a great feature.

I wish.they'd.throw in on their smart trainer as I'm.looking.at an elite.

I might have missed this but will this work if I have a wahoo Kickr?

@Dcrainmaker

4 жыл бұрын

Any trainer, yes. But not a CLIMB.

@StuWebRT

4 жыл бұрын

DC Rainmaker I don’t feel your committed enough:-). I would support a crowd funding project to see you bastardise one together

PPL on rollers are out of luck. Would be nice if they made some kind of paddle like system/or some other type of device that attaches to ones handlebars.

@Demon09-_-

4 жыл бұрын

Hopefully we will see other options once elite's 10 month deal expires

@rserton

4 жыл бұрын

I can envision something like the Nintendo Wii sensor bar on your TV/monitor and reflective markings (stickers?) on your bars which could tell which way you're pointed.

Whats the next invention, making like a wheel you could attach to the rear of the cycle to cycle outdoors? Pretty cool what they could do with todays technology anyway.

@Demon09-_-

4 жыл бұрын

🤣

@DangleBerriesPL

4 жыл бұрын

lol

How did you experience the delay between steering and actually turning in in Zwift? I think there still is a small second of delay isnt it?

@allthenewz

2 жыл бұрын

I found I could glide between packs and between riders it is very fast with no lag

Does it work with AppleTv ?

Hello. Can i use smart steering even if my trainer is not elite? I use the zycle. Thank you

@Dcrainmaker

Жыл бұрын

Yup! No dependency on the trainer itself.

How much are they selling the smart sterzo? I just bought the non smart sterzo, can I still ride the road steering courses with that and the phone or I need the electronic sterzo? Is there a possibility to buy an upgrade kit for the none smart sterzo?

@Dcrainmaker

4 жыл бұрын

I include all the prices for different currencies at the 0:52 marker. No upgrade kit unfortunately.

@fernandodeachaval9697

4 жыл бұрын

DC Rainmaker Thank you!

Imagine this working with the GTA V bike mod :O

@JimIBobIJones

4 жыл бұрын

This is what has finally convinced me to bite the bullet and throw £1k at a zwift setup! Even managed to snag myself an early Sterzo Smart (coming from France to UK though, so I think I have a long wait before it arrives). Hopefully they will implement the function in the mod. Next they need to implement VR controllers so you can shoot guns whilst cycling.

@dc do you normally steer your bikes handlebars like they are a bus steering wheel?

@Dcrainmaker

4 жыл бұрын

Do you normally ride your bike outside without a rear wheel?

Sadly Zwift saying they have no idea when the steering will be working again after the update stopped it working with the comp app.

When sprinting, does this thing moves around?

@Dcrainmaker

4 жыл бұрын

It’ll depend a little bit on your flooring. If you have a trainer mat it tends to stick well. But at the same time, if you’re bouncing your front wheel a bunch, then it’s gonna be messier.

LOL, they are worried about an unfair advantage with steering, yet Z-power is allowed in the same races as real powermeters.

@BooXdk

4 жыл бұрын

Zpower in Zwift races and E-bikes in the TDF is the future 😆

@XX-is7ps

4 жыл бұрын

Zpower gets flagged as such and excluded from results, so isn't really a problem. The bigger problem is that powermeters and trainers are so horrendously inaccurate that you can't compare one to the other anyway - with a 5% accurancy per unit, and variance between brands, as well as variants under temperature, or due to poor calibration, power from non-zpower sources that you "trust" can still be 10-20% out from the real figure.

Waiting for Garmin / Tacx to come out with a better one😏

Any reason to purchase this if you're using Fulgaz or other apps than Zwift?

@Dcrainmaker

3 жыл бұрын

Nope, no compatibility at this point there. At least till April.

Screws over the people who bought the standard Sterzo and a phone mount (from Zwift shop no less), under the impression that was the direction being taken. A bum steer well and truly.

Does it feel intuitive like outdoor riding where you instinctively know you have to steer to go in the direction you want? I feel like with zwift, you're sort of just used to doing the pedaling and nothing else. So, did you ever just forget to steer and then realized it when your avatar was on the wrong side?

@allthenewz

2 жыл бұрын

Nope it feels weird to steer. in the real world you lean not turn the handlebars. If i turned the handlebars like that I would crash in real life.

@sergiodihno

2 жыл бұрын

@@allthenewz probably not really worth it and the kickr climb serves better purpose for "simulation" purposes (though at a higher price tag)

Silly question... but will it work non Elite smart trainers ?

@Dcrainmaker

4 жыл бұрын

Yup, any trainer!

Can you try sticking a Kickr Climb on top of it and see how it works

@Dcrainmaker

4 жыл бұрын

I actually tried with the original Sterzo (exact same hardware, minus the electronics inside) - it didn't end well.

@Sebrgeen

4 жыл бұрын

@@Dcrainmaker now that could make a good video. Zwift Device Hacking/Bodging - think of the viewing numbers

Steering does not introduce different tensions in the bike frame ??

@Dcrainmaker

4 жыл бұрын

No, just like it doesn't outside. The plate rotates freely, just as your wheel would on a road surface outside.

@AndradeCycling

4 жыл бұрын

@@Dcrainmaker Thanks !!

wish we could enable or disable crash and off-road mode

I suspect this may actually result in worse performance for many because you now have to manually position yourself behind others for maximum drafting effect and Zwift doesn't exactly make it easy for you to "feel the draft". Still, it looks like fun and I can't wait to give it a try.

@Dcrainmaker

4 жыл бұрын

Yup - it's not all free gains!

@timcorso6337

4 жыл бұрын

Zwift drafting = the kings new clothes

Can we pair it with Rouvy platform?

@Dcrainmaker

3 жыл бұрын

No, as Rouvy doesn't support steering.

Does it qork with any smart trainer brand?

@Dcrainmaker

3 жыл бұрын

Yup!

how about choosing to turn left or right?

@Dcrainmaker

4 жыл бұрын

No, not at this point.

I think splitting riders into the haves and have nots is a bad idea... maybe there's a better solution like not allowing cross drafting and since non steering users will always out number that's will be more then enough to make up for cornering advantages

so you can't steer into other riders or pass through them but can non-steering riders still do it to you - zwift interpreting it as a collision and bumping you off line ?

@Dcrainmaker

4 жыл бұрын

Sorta? It's basically seen as a wall in that case.

Is it onscreen noticeable if riders just the Sterzo?

@Dcrainmaker

4 жыл бұрын

No

I had the steering unit for the Tacx I-magic and the Tacx Fortius and the only thing steering was good for was to pretty much make your own routes. I did use it a couple of times when riding with other people in the multiplayer so I could go around them and not through them which was normally what happened but it was very hard to control and pick your lines. For me steering is not worth it.

@Dcrainmaker

4 жыл бұрын

Yeah, I think one probably needs to separate out last steering experiences (even Zwift’s own), from this.

Please review Samsung galaxy watch 3

What if you have af Wahoo KickrBike..? :-)

@onlyfoolriding8223

4 жыл бұрын

Or a neo. I know my neo has buttons on the side for this type of thing, but it hasn't yet been integrated.

@thelmaviaduct

3 жыл бұрын

Zip tie it to your tablet holder and move position with yer hands 👐😉

Woo...its good ...don't forget ok

We the people that forked out over 1000 dollars for a Saris Rocket plate want a gyroscope to fit to our rocker plates. Natural bike turning.

Am I the only who wonder why the front wheel quick release is on the right and not the left while watching the review of the road steering device?

@Dcrainmaker

4 жыл бұрын

It was a rental bike while I was on vacation. Picked it up from the bike shop and did some trainer rides, but didn't even notice. :)

Where I can buy one?

@MIKE_BLM_BDS_ACAB

4 жыл бұрын

They have them in the Zwift store

need wahoo to release one compatible with the climb!

@suplego3224

4 жыл бұрын

I think that might make a bit of time

@Demon09-_-

4 жыл бұрын

I feel the same I probably would not trade my climb function for the ability to steer

@suplego3224

4 жыл бұрын

But they could just put the climb on top one of these

@Demon09-_-

4 жыл бұрын

@@suplego3224 if they had one with a base that moved to match the bottom of the climb it might work. the climb also does pivot so stability plus it moving for steerering may be intresting

Is it quite durable?

@Dcrainmaker

4 жыл бұрын

Seems it. I haven't heard any complaints about the base Sterzo edition yet.

@WowRixter

4 жыл бұрын

DC Rainmaker 😎. Thanks Ray

Steering is unfair but the aero or feather boosts are fair? hmmm

Apple needs to update the Apple TV. another piece of tech we can't connect due to it's limitations

if only someone made a sweat guard that made for steering

Interesting that Zwift have taken this approach, unfortunately it does not change many if any aspect of racing on Zwift. Firstly it only gives you a lateral steer and collision function which is countered by the fact you can still ride through the rider in front of you so in actual fact defeats the whole purpose of having a steering facility. DC mentions that you can not go through a rider, this is correct but only in the lateral aspect which is irrelevant since the purpose id to continue to move forward. To counter this all you have to do is steer left or right, find a forward gap and move in or simply don't use steering and increase you power as normal and ride through the rider in a forward motion. The next thing is, who actually uses their steerer to steer like this. You use body position and balance and very rarely ever physically turn your steerer to steer. Big down side to this introduction, Point 1 £78 in the UK to get steering, 2. no consideration to Wahoo Climb 3 Will it work with Wahoo Smart bike or Tacx? If DC Rainmaker wishes to discuss the functionality of Velotons Steering and where we out strip others or any potential user wishes to know more then I will be happy to tell you. All this aside it is good that Zwift have eventually moved on this unfortunately they have failed to produce something that makes it a game changer for many reasons

well zwift haven't removed ZP users from races yet ...

I'm not a Zwift racer, but where do I pay?

@Dcrainmaker

4 жыл бұрын

You can buy already from Zwift’s shop, and various other retailers.

@petef15

4 жыл бұрын

Place your money directly down the drain.

Personally I am not a fan. The software needs a lot of work. It can be fun to use steering just on a normal ride, but it can be frustrating in even small groups. Whenever someone overtakes you, you immediately get pushed about a bike width to the side. If you get overtaken by two riders in a row you are essentially pushed out of the draft. But, it works the opposite when you try to overtake. You auto jump out a rider width to the side and often it is quite early. Even in real racing, I wouldn't pull out of the draft until my tire is within cm's of the rider in front of me. And the advantage for racing, well, basically none as it is disabled in most races. You had to time the ZHQ steering races or get into a mountain bike race. I've yet to enter a race where it actually isn't disabled.