I've never paid attention to the race I'm entering. I just join any random event then try hold on for dear life and just try beat whoever I'm left with near the end. I didn't even know there were team tactics at play. Now I'm aware of such a thing I might have to go find me some GMT Zwift buddies.

@thewattlife

11 ай бұрын

haha sometimes thats the best way. I think a lot of the events are just solo races so this Sisu event was a new one for me

I watch the channel all the time. Always good commentary. I was looking for a race in this time slot and noticed a bigish field so looked in and noticed you in it. I thought perfect, I get commentary on something I'm in (rodja dodja). You're right it was peculiar. Someone even asked Taylor Zwift to sing. I felt a little guilty for sitting in but my 20 minute power isn't the best so I depend on it. Like you I'm near my limit throughout so I just react to pace as best I can. I know you comment in other videos to try and spice it up and I always find myself agreeing with that but I never get around to trying. I think Taylor Zwift did at one point and nobody joined. I checked the signup list and I thought it look strong. I'm only to happy to go as slow as you like till the last lap. Very entertaining. Keep them coming.

@thewattlife

11 ай бұрын

Ha the Taylow Zwift comment made me laugh in the race. This still felt like a race, but i can see the point that if someone who is 95+ kg was only going to ride softly on a flat course then yeah, he would be helping pull other people around. I had a look at some of the times for other Sisu race 7's and i think we came up slower.

I was in the 4PM UK time race which had a massive field of 120 riders for cat C. Some comments about pulling but it certainly not as 'chatty' as your race :) . It was fast! That long 3% cobbles section split the group on lap 2 or 3 and I ended up in the wrong half

@thewattlife

11 ай бұрын

Yeah i had to make sure i was positioned better on the small incline after everyone seemed to be getting annoyed and i know people would kick

Im also have a low weight, 57,5kg. I have a good w/kg (3,44), but my raw Power is 200w. SO on flat races I Always kill myself in Just trying to follow the group.

@thewattlife

11 ай бұрын

Makes perfect sense, i think she was a light rider and just managed to hold the group for a front pack GC time. I m not a light rider but i do sometimes struggle on the flat races when the big boys put the power down.

Aww damn, you only got reported to your mum and not Zwift, lol! Good going hanging until the end given you'd already done quite a bit of riding in the day. You definitely had the cattiest race though, we just had everyone spilling their champagne as it was too fast for last stage drinking lol😊

@thewattlife

11 ай бұрын

Ha yeah your race was a HOT one! Let me know what Zwift monthly you are doing this week and ill jump in

@BeeblebroxTV

11 ай бұрын

@@thewattlife Much needed rest day today, and then planning on doing the Tuesday 18:10 race - I've been trying to do the Tues ones when I can to keep my body used to Tues riding for when ZRL returns to kick my ass 😀

I entered one of these on Ven Top and came 2nd recently. Officially I came 5th, but 1st,2nd and 3rd were DQd for unrealistic performances. Combined with that only 5 were listed on official results on Zwiftpower when 29 started..either quit or not using a smart trainer.

@thewattlife

11 ай бұрын

The Sisu Races? Im not sure ill enter another one of those... haha too much drama!!!! Oh go on then, ill def enter another one, but maybe next week

On the 3.8w/kg - was her ftp under the threshold? She could weigh nothing & have high w/kg but her power is under the cut off, & actually low raw power on a flatish course like that would be hard to hold the wheels all around - hence her high w/kg as she was probably on the limit the entire ride, even in the draft.

@thewattlife

11 ай бұрын

This makes total sense, but holding 3.8 w/kg for 44 mins... surely that means on a hilly course you would destroy most Cat C riders?! Still great work to hold onto a group where there are 90+ kg men

@zwifting

11 ай бұрын

@@thewattlife that’s exactly what it means 😂😂 But thems the rules and cut off points 🤷‍♂️ So as much as it’s a legit tactic for climbers to push on climbs to drop the heavy guys - the heavy guys need to learn to push on the flats and downhills to hurt the lighter guys - but rarely happens as the heavy guys are usually saving what they have for the climbs 😂 Catch 22.

@thewattlife

11 ай бұрын

About time i weighed myself again!! I usually get out sprinted but seem to be able to hold some/most climbs

"If anyone is way to involved in Zwift racing it's probably the guy making youtube videos about zwift racing" that was a good one! :D Oh. And the first rule of winning a bike race is participating in one, so guys getting angry that their riders are disavantaged bc they didn't line up at the start of this race is a bit moot.

@thewattlife

11 ай бұрын

Haha im not wrong though am i?!?!

I’ve joined these GC series races before & it’s hard because they usually have various time slots per stage to accommodate the schedule of most people. So you are at the mercy of the group that joins for your stage time slot. If it’s a strong group they’ll set a strong pace which someone could sit on the back of & cruise to a GC time. If u get a weaker field or just a field out for a spin of the legs, you can actually put in a stronger effort out front on your own but lose big GC time. So you need everyone in your stage to essentially work together to beat the time of another group in a different time slot of the same stage. Plenty messages go out during these races about setting a good GC as that’s the whole point. The stage win is practically null. Many will have the finish times of other groups so a target is set. Can’t see any issue with anyone asking for a high pace in GC races 🤷‍♂️

@thewattlife

11 ай бұрын

Yeah same, its definitely a bit of a different style to the race, knowing that you need the whole front group to ride hard. First time riding with the Sisu lot, would probably happily try get a little team together for the next series. Like you said the issue is that if you get a slow race it can ruin your GC and you'll have to try go again

I've always wondered about category enforced races. I'm not one for racing on Zwift, but verrrrrrry occasionally I'll join a race if it's a course I want to ride. The problem is, I'm not always joining it to "race," per se. It really tends to anger people almost inexplicably when someone with that little "A" next to their user name says in chat that they're there for a ride and not planning to race that day. If I'm sitting in with a group of B's and rolling at 250 watts, it's not "sandbagging"; I just don't have the option to select the pace I'm going to ride at in some of these events and Zwift's 90 day rolling power profile knows if I just did 4.5 w/kg for 20 minutes in a workout the day before.

@thewattlife

10 ай бұрын

Yeah i guess so but can sometimes depend on what happens once you get closer to the line if you decide to throw a sprint in there. Its not something i have to worry about though as i can just about hold the group sometimes lol

When ever I see events like this if their not events setup by wtrl its just a make shift team thing where they try to get best combined times. A true WTRL event you have a DS in your ear course record an more race game plans go into it. Its just a community race you might have some decent riders in but a WTRL event if your doing it right on the TT or any event your are on the limit from go. God the TT I did last season with my team I about puked at the end of it loved it because their was nothing left. Hate the sprint races its pure survival for me just trying to make each selection. Should be racing in As this time around an going to be interesting.

@thewattlife

11 ай бұрын

Nice are these organised by Zwift?

@robertdiez3091

11 ай бұрын

@@thewattlife I believe so but the racing is so much better the next season starts in September. Our team won the series last season by 10 points the TTTs are fun if you like puking your guts out.

Can’t say I’ve been in a situation like this, but I have been involved in races where there has been sandbaggers in it. All I can say is the riders who actively participate in races as sandbaggers really need to get a life. It’s supposed to be fun, hard fun , but fun none the less. Zwift have tried to eradicate this but some still get through.

@thewattlife

10 ай бұрын

Yeah its really hard to manage out though huh, theres only so much Zwift can do. Some people like to ride in the group and then just kick hard. My only plan is to get better and better so that i can ride harder in higher Cats

@markwilliamson7846

10 ай бұрын

@@thewattlife Hope you get to where want to be. Myself however will be in cat c for good. My age now really precludes me from doing the required work to get anywhere near the top of cat c let alone cat b. Oh to be young again.

Get over it and get on with it it comes with the territory

@thewattlife

6 ай бұрын

I’m pretty sure everything is fair game in Love and Zwift. It didn’t feel like anyone was helping out anyone else particularly but some people took this personally

George here, loved the commentary. Mrs & I giggling watching this back after Welshy & co been booting off in my activity comments!😂

@thewattlife

11 ай бұрын

ha i felt like i had interrupted a school yard argument!

@Rhino-Racing

11 ай бұрын

@@thewattlife You pretty much did. Welshy has some history from Rhino days before he was kicked from the team. good race anyway it's a GC competition with team element as well so it benifits to be in a fast group. other than the iTT races they have been mixed so whether male or female riders have been helped by drafting others every race so best ignore the complainers and ride your own race.

@welshy9178

11 ай бұрын

Really, I remember leaving because the team had no structure. I then joined EVO! Stick to the facts Gordon 😂

@CatwomanRTR

11 ай бұрын

@rhino aka Gordon, you are holding a grudge for a very loooong time I see for some you state’is kicked of the team’ are you sure now that’s the case.. 😂. You send me once a private message not long ago trying to badmouth him as well remember, even that backfired at you. So give everyone a break here abd stop commenting 😅

@gordon7904

11 ай бұрын

@@welshy9178 Maybe i'm getting confused if you jumped or were pushed it was a long time ago. But if you want facts you fell out with multiple members of the team (as you have done with many teams) and got very abusive to point i'd call it bulling (40+ message to one rider at 2am i seem to recall). Really nasty behaviour and now i see your current team is doing the same leaving nasty messages on other peoples profiles. Move on let the racing do the talking i don't want anything to do with you so please stop interacting with my team other than through the racing.

I will let Catwoman have her say about the real reason about this. Clearly, I was supporting her in the race because she was going for a top spot in GC in a ladies GC. She raced every race on her own merit and no help from a 96kg guy. Who kept bringing Leanne back to the leading bunch.

@georgewilliams2763

11 ай бұрын

Oh shush. I didn’t know Leanne until we coincidentally raced a few stages together and joked about helping. I had no intention of helping anyone but with how easily you got upset it was too easy not to wind you up…

@welshy9178

11 ай бұрын

I have no interest in your excuses of why or getting into any conversation with you.

@georgewilliams2763

11 ай бұрын

@@welshy9178 cry more please

@thewattlife

11 ай бұрын

Hey Welshy, sure i understand, i did notice that the earlier race 4/5pm was 2 mins quicker than ours and had more riders. Big groups just equals faster times... Other than that, im just here to ride my bike and make some friends

@welshy9178

11 ай бұрын

@@thewattlifeYes I completely understand that but this stream does only show half a story. Catwoman put everything into the ladies GC and it was sabotaged by this rider. When you have raced all 7 races and had top GC taken by this character, you would understand. It’s not racing, it’s some joker having a joke at other people’s expense. Thank you for the stream though and we can atleast see what we have said 👍👍

Raising my hand! Im dead wood. I wish I was faster but Im not. You don't like me rubber sucking....drop me. That simple. Just trying to hold on to the group.

@thewattlife

9 ай бұрын

oh im the same as you, i spend my whole time trying to hold wheels, and i agree, if people want to split the group then they have to work the front. My job is to hold on

It's a race. It shouldn't be about a 'free' ride. If you aren't strong enough to keep up with the peleton then you get dropped. simples. Work harder. Get better...stay with the group. Bitching about a race actually being a race blows my mind

@thewattlife

7 ай бұрын

This was one of the wilder events I’ve been a part of

Well now, there is a woman’s GC and a man’s GC. I was a long time ahead until a particular male rider and friends of 95 kilos start helping those 2 woman you are referring to in your video, not a good referral at the end you should have done maybe some more home work ( and how can you tell it was them putting out 3.8 wkg you had it wrong at the end of your video as well) before passing judgement. Anyway to make a long story short, that male rider is NOT part of there team but from the team of Gordon (aaah that’s why he commented, because otherwise there would not be a reason lol) he has been aiding them with draft, they are then talking and on the companion app saying ‘would that be enough for you to get GC?’ And oooh thx for your support and draft ‘ Wel sr. I did everything on my own merit and was beating them until chubby and friends came and aided them, so you tell me if that is fair racing? If you believe it is then that is very short sided off but if you think I have a valid point you can always contact me and I’ll give you all the screenshot you need.

@georgewilliams2763

11 ай бұрын

You were 10 mins down?

@thewattlife

11 ай бұрын

@CvBrtr Hey sure i get it. Her avg w/kg was on Zwift power after the race and one of the girls registered 3.8 w/kg average. The rest of the conversation im not sure i really care about. The bigger the group the faster the race. The same race at 4pm was 2 mins faster than our one... so i get that its furstrating, but in some senses if you had joined the 4pm race, and been able to hold the group, you would have indeed been benefitting from the 'chubbies'. Thats Zwifting BABY

@CatwomanRTR

11 ай бұрын

@@thewattlife I was 10 min in front of them before that rider started to aid them in all there races . So tell me us that fair play?

@CatwomanRTR

11 ай бұрын

@@thewattlife that’s cheating BABY it’s a woman’s league, do if I get a 9( kilo guy with me ( I weigh 54 kilo) and draft him on the flat what would you think I have left then? A very very good sprint and a great time

@CatwomanRTR

11 ай бұрын

95 kilo obviously 🙄

Team race with no break efforts? Not too teamy.

@thewattlife

8 ай бұрын

This was for sure a really weird race but hilarious at the same time

Sand baggers

@thewattlife

2 ай бұрын

Ha I forgot about this race, was a crazy one