In the begining of the previous season orochi were said to be trash too, but they were later recognized in meta. Maybe we just have to give zweihanders more time. In the clips you presented zweihanders were often ran over by cav or sqiushed between enemy units. You were playing them very agressively, but they are not men at arms. I think they are meant to be flanking DPS unit much like onna musha, but without their speed and quick abilities. Maybe zweihanders could do better in bigger fights serving as damage dealers, rather than 1v1 the most meta unit in the game recently... Honestly to me as I watched this video they looked fine, damage output is incredible, they are 100% better than most units in the game. They feel similar-ly to VGs or Silahdars in their playstyle.

@ragingskippy9990

9 ай бұрын

You are 100% spot on, they are insane damage dealers and need to be treated as such, they are an amazing unit and have unreal block break when using abilities. Not to mention the "cc immunity" while using abilities

@vojteskaaaaaa6

9 ай бұрын

​@@ragingskippy9990 to deal insane demage, they need to be alive 😂

@ragingskippy9990

9 ай бұрын

@vojteskaaaaaa6 not really a problem as long as you aren't trying to run them headlong into a deathball, they are damage dealers not tanks

@JustinM3177

9 ай бұрын

They aren’t bad at all and yes he tossed them into horrible situations no unit would make it out of and called them bad. I assume he was tilted but he didn’t make a good showing or them at all and never to my knowledge even tried to make use of their passive tied to prepared stance after taking damage and healing back to full. They are much better and hopefully when he isn’t so tilted he’ll revisit them and play them better and see they actually are a good unit.

@Maxikingallright93

9 ай бұрын

I dont have zweihanders, only the 3 day unit butbyou are definitly Missing some crucial comparison points: Orochi received a major buff and a pretty strong doctrine with the doctrine dash and fewer mastered Units were available.

I feel like they should have a charge. Maybe a prepared charge like the Landsknechts where they gotta be in brace before. Unsure as to what their actual role is meant to be, bracing isn't strong enough to stop cavalry and they're not sturdy enough to be front line damage dealers...

@vojteskaaaaaa6

9 ай бұрын

They should be Anti polearm unit, cuz this weapon was used to counter pikes. So for future pikes units we would have counter. They should be killed by meele units wich are faster and easier to defend theme self

You can actually store the buff they get in prep stance so you can use prep stance then move the unit and the next skill with still increase their health and dmg

Wish i'd seen this before unlocking them haha

I look forward to trying them. I feel like they should be excellent along side pikes and modao. Something that allows them to swing freely.

I love to balanced out my unit, if the unit more into offence-centric i put 3 defence doctrine, and 2 offence doctrine... same goes for the opposite. I believe all unit are good only if we get the good position, condition, place, time, doctrine, and vet line. In my opinion, understanding the unit roles and purpose are the most important thing, heck I even score kill several heroes, and some meta unit in game only using demesne pike chads (grey pike). Nice video bro, and I salute your dedication to try to push this unit potential and ability even if it cost your units, and team effort.

Hi Mr Plum how you doin ? The Video was good thanks for your helps on this unit. I think we need to have more time so we will be able to discover their potential like every new unit in game, and the defense needs a buff like 80 points at least on each😂

Thanks for the info

This is a amazing unit showcase and gameplay with the new unit 😮😊😊❤❤

This unit got nerf till the core, wearing Heavy Plate that squishy as Onna but weaker than anything.

Dont have them but fighting against them it feels like they need like 200armour all around and at least 2-300 damage..and a charge...

I preordered them (yes I did and yes I know I shouldn’t) but I’m finding them so much fun at the moment love them as a unit bloody claymore silahdars P.S I’m finding a lot of value out of them

@Plumsion

9 ай бұрын

Glad to hear your getting value out of them, I can't seem to find it lol. I'm sticking with them for a bit see if I can get some better results

@sirapopsriaumpai8178

9 ай бұрын

I preorder them too. They are quite fun to play, but I think they should be more tanky, they just die too quick. Maybe give them more base hp and more damage reduction during battle stance would be nice.

@thelichking3059

9 ай бұрын

@@sirapopsriaumpai8178 yes they also need more armour

@thelichking3059

9 ай бұрын

@@PlumsionI go bottom line press 1 twice then after press 2 doctrines are that new one on frontier is called paradox ardent knight breakthrough siege fighter and leadership doctrine sadly on mygames it’s not a thing so whatever does damage you can replace that with…

@thelichking3059

9 ай бұрын

@@Plumsion bottom is overall better at the moment wish both were viable

Nice

It would be a really big shame if we had no meta seasonal units in this season. Was really looking forward to this knight season too.. I honestly thought they were fine in testing

Purple zweihanders doctrine is actually pretty nuts. And ability wise 1, 1 then 2 works very well.

I wanted them so bad :D

I think they are good. As a db its hard to give any Support tbf. As a glaive I most of the time kill maa and mine are lv 18 or smth? They really need cc and Cover support tho.

I have heard that the last point of the bottom veterancy Line is bugged and does not work at the moment

I’m absolutely gutted this I didn’t see this an hour ago. Just bought and power levelled them. Also getting no where with them

@Plumsion

9 ай бұрын

Sorry to hear that dude

@roanlyall859

9 ай бұрын

@@Plumsion any chance you could revisit your infantry tier list? There’s been a lot of changes with mastery lines and of course some new units so I think it would make a great video

@Bence3

9 ай бұрын

but hey, if ever they will be buffed till they become op, then you will already have them

😭 Where was this video last night? I think devs reduced the slashing armor reduction of knights gambit by half of what it was on the PTR

Give them some time, just like all the gold units people call them trash but after about a couple of days or weeks into having them out, people recognize that they are good, take varangians, when they first came out I remember people weren't fond of them and trashed them, but after awhile they were so good they had to be nerfed. Hasashins people believe they would be trash, but after figuring out how to use them since they seem to be very high skill to use people AGAIN recognized that they are very good under specific circumstances. If we give the zweihanders time and have people test them and figure out the strengths, weaknesses, and the right play style we will see them being good. I notice people ALWAYS trash on units when they first come out and don't give them a trash, it is like they expect the unit to be OP on the first day/time it releases. Give it time.

@TheRogueJedii

9 ай бұрын

Agreed. Liaos were garbage, then they got a buff and wrecked the meta.

Feel for you Plum, pushing ahead and buying your way to this unit only for it to be doggers. Reapers are wearing flexiplates and chainmail and these guys are wearing full plate, yet have have the defensive stats never mind that 48% dmg reduction trait. All that hype with that video for expansive claymores that disintegrate.

@sirrolf2538

9 ай бұрын

Lol i remember working on dem varangian guard. I know that everyone says that they suck but i didn't listen coz i believe i could make them work just like the sons of fenrir, but no. They are really squishy. Dem unit wears full armor with a shield yet theyre so squishy lol

@Martellus89

9 ай бұрын

@@sirrolf2538 I literally did the same thing xD so sad afterwards

@sirrolf2538

9 ай бұрын

@@Martellus89 now I'm on my way to unlock silahdars. Are they good? I just don't wanna be disappointed lol

@Martellus89

9 ай бұрын

@@sirrolf2538 gold units in general aren't good rn mate. Sils are only OK if you have the combat doctrine that was in the doctrine pool for a few weeks. Dmg health and cci. Otherwise focus on thr purple mastery units. Men at arms, imperial pikes, imperial spears and imperial javs. Each of those rn are top of the meta. Hussars reapers and orochi samurai are the only real t5 in use. Sometimes guns and flamers.

They used beat MAA but IR smash them ( both in flail and sword mode. They seemed more powerful in their beta version. I think it's good that they are weaker, because we don't want a reapeat of the varangians. Orochi are a similar case- they are good but the shield meta does not favour them and despite being a seasonal unit they don't smash everything. EDIT: Their brace and tankiness should be buffed and their 2 should be devastating but on a longer CD. Like I am not saying they should stop hussars but they should damage cav decently and they should smash infantry.

where in the game is this tavern-place you are in like in the first 40 sec of the vid?

IT SEEMS THE YANYEDAU CAVALRY HAVE BEEN GREATLY NERFED COULD U CHECK IT OUT?

우리는 사기을 당했다...

They been doing good on beta and the nerfed thing made them very awful while they eat much of your leadership. It's actually makes me sad that some 4 star unit can take them out in map in just second. Dev really trolling us.

@JustinM3177

9 ай бұрын

They aren’t bad at all the only purple that wins against them is onnas and imp pikes and that’s just due to the disarm and cc if not broken up. If timed correctly though I believe they can beat onnas fairly easy with hero play involved.

welp am kinda disappointed at Zweihanders i thought they be way cooler and good because The Kriegsbruders has the best ai , you charge them in to the enemy press 2 and in & out and the Schutzdieners are the best support like healing arrow that was best idea of cb I just hope cb will maybe rework Zweihanders because they look fricking great big man with big sword (also i thought they punch & headbutt the enemy maybe like a stun)

Did the devs mix up the golden unit with a blue unit? O.o

no ardent knight doctrine tho

For the algorithm

they should be more tanky and yes charge ability can be good

Does anyone know the repair kit costs in bronze?

После отрядов с мастерством смотрится очень слабо, основная проблема в очень долгой анимации удара которая легко уничтожается станами от героев и отрядами с большой скоростью атаки типа девочек с прошлого сезона или пеших рыцарей с мастерством.

I think this unit wont counter cavarly that will be so OP for it so i think they fix it already, but skill very good to fight infantry and heavy shield must better then use them to counter cavarly am i think. ( ps i not good english so yea )

Hmmm i had a different, better experience with them. I run bot vet, currently lvl 27. Top vet only focuses on Gambit, with the best perks right at the start (dmg). The base cooldown is already quite good imo. Running the gambit doctrine, Health+blunt def 1, Breakthrough, siege fighter and finally labour for 400 hp (Lack of better doctrines...) While I do fully agree that in terms of leadership, you can get better units, I also think it's quite unfair to compare them current meta units that are blatently OP. (Ment at arms with full mastery, yolo cav etc.) But leadership out of the picture, I find them to fit thematically for this entire season. All units are more unique in terms of tactics/skills and while their damage is not very good, they are quite tanky. What i noticed though, was that the zweihanders usually spread out too much in combat, so i order them to column formation behind the enemy they're fighting. They will all stack up in the middle, trigger gambit and watch the fireworks, especially in narrow spaces. I then pull them back with prepared stance, 5% hp per sec. I think they're good at flanking and for pushing behind a shieldwall. The only units i had issues with so far are Onna's charge (but every unit has that issue, reapers and t5 lance cav charging in.

@aljrvh

9 ай бұрын

After testing them a lot more, I sadly must agree with your opinion...My first day must have been lucky, but the zweis are really squishy and i am not sure the CC immunity works like it should. Also, prolonged combat does not make them better at all, like their trait says. Worst of all, Bottom vet doesn't work. Compared them to MaA and they outheal with mastery. MaA healing is 3%, while Zweis with bot vet should be 5%, but it feels only like 1% lol.

the fact that they hit men at arms shields and get no armor pen dmg is wild.. unit is way underpowered

this video better than before but still blurry

I think you did a decent job and I think it was very frustrating to play zweihander you can see it no matter what situation they are in they just become fodder for units even if the damage is good they fall faster than lumberjacks and you can see that you You really had a hard time making the video...

I have Sean them hit 500 on a critical on imp pikes

they seems to be buged like highlanders. My highlanders wont hit. I tested it multiple times. I send them into mass, pop cd's, they hit 3-4 times (not each, just whole unit hit 3-4 times in total) and thats it. Also, attack order doesnt work. 1 of 10 times, they work fine, they can rly nuke but usually they do nothing Also, i dont think Zweihanders should be buffed, i think that the other units should be nerfed

I played this game to anticipate the atmosphere of the siege warfare of this game not to use only meta units.

@TheRogueJedii

9 ай бұрын

There are a lot of viable units at the moment. Heck I've even seen paladins be useful

Plum you said new cav was no good either and now everyone is spamming it everywhere lol. I think you are kind of new to this game so let me explain how it often works. Gold unit comes out, it is useless and broken on day 1. Patch comes and makes them ABSOLUTELY OP for the remainder of the season or two. (Liaos were like this) so maybe that will happen to these big boys. Love the channel mate.

Worth it? (Nope). Is it Fun? (Yes). Spend about 13 hours to understand how the mechanism works. And what i got like: - Its half tanker and half dps support unit. - Can't hold the situation alone. - Can be against some cavalry (even charge) if you do perfect timing with skill 1 or block them without being charged. - Small Shield fckup if you have skill 2, otherwise you are the one who will fckup if it on CD. - They got M blood in their veins. - They are really really annoying with their immunity effect while using skill 2 (short CD also). - Doctrine should be a Health and defense more than dmg. - Can't charge into units like Claymores. - It's Claymores version when they joined Round. =)))

Noble blood?

they need Blood Docs

holy shit they do now damage i see now numbers in your clips and theire health and armor should be at least 30% more than claymores

Sad so cool so bad actualy if they are so bad it makes lore of the Teutonic knights bad :D, why are they bad nobody knows

they are not a frontline unit, more a flanking, which is odd. There stance/brace gives them no benefit at all besides healing, like no dmg reduce or anything like modaos get and there knights gambit ability is kinda slow too, if its just quicker when they do each slice would feel much smoother

@aljrvh

9 ай бұрын

The stance actually does have benefits on bot vet. 15% damage reduction and the follow up will have 30% damage reduction. Finally, it also buffs the healing from 2% per second to 5% per second AND at 100% hp it buffs defense by 15% when you use a skill.

Not true. I have them and use them all the time. They are very good if you use them correctly like any other unit

wow so different from PTR

I can say that zweihander is better.. Uh Claymores. Buts, it's doesn't make them OP just an ok unit

So practically it's not worth your money, yet

They Re paper

Most brace unit like cant even really defend of cav most de time. Cav just run over them like nothing in front even full upgrade. So even de so called anti cav also cannot do their job properly, so dont expected from these half anti cav unit.

T5 Infantry doomed to mediocrity due to their leadership cost. Why bring Zweihanders when you can bring a unit of Namkahns AND sons of Fenrir? Which are units that argueably are more versatile than Zwei's

@Alan-gt5lr

9 ай бұрын

Sorry what? That was the worst hot take I’ve ever heard. Gold infantry runs battles. Modao, samurai, old shieldmaidens, reapers. All very good units that could stomp those two blue units

@AnarchistGrandpa

9 ай бұрын

​@@Alan-gt5lrI gotta agree. Namkhans haven't been good for a while and you can do only so much with fenrirs against all these MAA and ISGs running around these days 😂

Game just isnt fun at this state. Men at arms and Cav eveywhere. Not even your fault, they just underperform in this meta shitfest.

useless unit

@Bence3

9 ай бұрын

just wait till they get buffed up like man at arms

I keep watched and man they are realy trash how could the devs make the so weak at the moment Teutonic knights are realy good fighters so lame, my favortite knights in history :D

BAD UNIT