The thing about Yda and Papalymo is that unless you started in Gridania, you didn't really get much time with them.

@Keira_Blackstone

2 жыл бұрын

yeah I had an issue with this. the first time I really felt like I got to know them was the big cutscene at the end of ARR, and then they were gone until the very end of HW, just in time for Papalymo to die.

@Verpal

2 жыл бұрын

I started in Limsa during 1.0, but fortunately decided to suddenly appear in Gridania for 2.0, so my story experience is kinda complete there. Its unfortunate most ppl can't understand the insane amount of nostalgia when you start EW and board for Sharlayan.

@IRedpunk

2 жыл бұрын

I started in Uldah but I still like them both, they had a good dynamic and synergy that got lost when they deleted Papa

@Lordoftheapes79

2 жыл бұрын

@@Verpal you beat leviathan ultimate? Nice dude. My PC was never able to get thru that cutscene 😂 For me, I actually started 1.0 as a lancer, so they were the very first scions I met, yet even then, I feel like I barely new them.

@Verpal

2 жыл бұрын

@@Lordoftheapes79 ikr! It is a small miracle and yes it runs like powerpoint but my grandpa's PC survived! Yep, my grandpa's, mine died the moment cutscene loads.

Until Endwalker, I always held the contentious opinion of having Stormblood be my favorite expansion. A lot of people focus on variables that I understand, like pacing or Lyse. However, Stormblood's exploration of colonialism and the effects it has on a country being overseen by a powerful imperial state is unprecedented in a Final Fantasy game. As someone from a Latin American country, I can SERIOUSLY see the real world implications of the events in Stormblood and as someone who moved to the United States at a young age, I can relate to the disconnect that Lyse had with her own fellow Ala Mhigans because she grew up in a completely different environment. She wants to relate and belong but she simply doesn't share the same experiences, whereas someone like Raubahn might.

I watched him do the first StB primal live, and he loved it. What I love about watching Preach go through the game is that you can tell he's either well read, or well educated in story analysis. Like he studied literature or something. It adds so much to the experience when you're in tune to it, rather than just following plot beats in the way you would a pulp novel like Forgotten Realms, Dragonlance, or whatever it is the kids read these days.

@nickrosio

2 жыл бұрын

His observations are always top-tier. I love it

@dosbilliam

2 жыл бұрын

It does sort of backfire when things that would otherwise be plot twists are telegraphed so clearly that you guess them long before they're revealed. At the very least (with the one I'm talking about) Y'shtola was at least on the same page as I was with guessing the twist without issue. :P

@zenspeed404

2 жыл бұрын

@@dosbilliam True, you can see it coming, but that doesn't mean you can't appreciate the execution. For example, a heel-face turn we can often see coming for popular characters, but you can see the distinct difference between a really good writer and a really bad one.

@dosbilliam

2 жыл бұрын

@@zenspeed404 Yeah, that's why I was happy that even some of the characters had figured out what was going on since it suggested that my own dot-connecting was being incentivized by the game itself, meaning the work wasn't wasted on paying attention to everything. Had the same thing happen with the first trip to Eulmore in Shadowbringers as well. :P

@rsoissong

2 жыл бұрын

Sarcasm? The original Dragonlance novels were written and released before the first Final Fantasy.

"He that holdeth fast unto his convictions shall never count betrayal amongst his crimes, though all the world may call him villain. My path is unchanged; my creed sacrosanct. This I believe with all my heart." This has got to be the most absolutely badass line from the whole game.

Mike got Madge at chat for simping for Yostsuyu. It was honestly hilarious.

@taldir5228

2 жыл бұрын

Wait untill chat starts simping for Emet xd

@ye9945

2 жыл бұрын

Gigachad Mike going against the grain of this fandoms shitty obsessions

@RealRaslu

2 жыл бұрын

She was a fantastic character.

@MaisieSqueak

2 жыл бұрын

Truly couldn't give a fuck what he thinks of her 🤣 Hysterical that he thinks we do. ...and for those that do... why bully them? Bit low tbh

@txmits507

2 жыл бұрын

@@MaisieSqueak couldn't give a fuck... gives several.

The inspiration she draws from Hien and the reclamation of Doma would have had a stronger impact on her character had she failed more. On that we can agree. Overcoming adversity in the face of overwhelming odds always makes for an interesting story.

@justincapalbo6938

2 жыл бұрын

I think the implications were that a lot of those failures happened earlier in her life (in her perception) esp. re. the fall of ala mhigo and her sister's death, we as the player just aren't exposed to a lot of that.

@solusgamer164

2 жыл бұрын

It's not about her failures. It's about her naiveté. People are wrong about her character from the outset because their expectations are not in line with her character arc

@KratukSC

2 жыл бұрын

​@@solusgamer164 I'd call her more idealistic with a bit of naivety. But compare her journey to Alphinaud's. Don't mistake me. I don't hate Lyse. I just think her story was underdeveloped and there were areas that could have been developed more that would have made her arc much better and Hien's inspiration on that journey more impactful. Lyse was idealistic, much like Alphinaud. Naïve in much the same way. Both wanted to change something grand in scale. But only one really endured the bitter taste of failure before growing learning and growing from that as a character. That would probably be my best comparison.

@solusgamer164

2 жыл бұрын

@@KratukSC , I understand that comparison, I do, but with all do respect it's a very bad comparison. I do agree with you that Lyse is idealistic. The better comparison is with Alisaie, and it's still a poor comparison. The reason is simple, both Alisaie and Alphinaud are prodigies. Even regardless of that fact, both of them group in Sharlyan, the intellectual capital of the world that is the source. Lyse is from Ala Gannha and was supposedly brought to Sharlyan by Yda where the latter was formerly educated and trained. Lyse on the other hand was perhaps too young and not at all as competent as either Alphinaud nor Alisaie. Much like Lyse, Alisaie was a bit idealistic and it nearly cost her her life in her encounter with the warriors of darkness. Before that however, Alisaie was very naive during the whole bahamut arc. Fortunately for Alisaie we got that arc, and we saw her develop. Lyse meanwhile was always in the backdrop all the way through ARR and HW.

@melissas4874

2 жыл бұрын

@@KratukSC I agree that Lyse is kind of naive, but it doesn't make sense to me. It is like she removed her mask and all her experiences and what she learned went with it. She watched Alphinaud's disaster Crystal Braves and didn't learn that being stubborn isn't helpful? I just found that disappointing.

Going around with Lyse and Alisae is honestly one of my favorite parts of the game. As a woman, it was a "hanging out with the girls" sort of adventure, and I loved it. I do feel like Lyse's character could have been written better, but I overall liked her throughout SB. SE, when are we getting her outfit?? The Lakshmi trial is one of my favorites, and one of the most beautiful boss fights I've ever had the pleasure of doing. The whole fight is magical, and the BGM is one of my favorites in the game. I really liked the majority of SB, including liking lots of characters. I'm only a small way into the final area of EW (I had to take a break), so I can't comment on how a certain someone turns out, but I think SB had lots of characters to like (Hien, Gosetsu, Yugiri, Sadu, etc.), and lots of characters to hate (Zenos, Asahi, Fordola, etc.). I think overall SB really cemented that feeling of being a hero. You get to know and help a lot of cultures, and also make lots of friends and enemies. You even get some people to change sides. I want to say my character felt far more impactful than in HW. Maybe I just feel that way because I'm deep into EW. But looking back, things really do tie together. You understand more, like you said.

@wildmoonchild9404

2 жыл бұрын

Saaame, as a woman, I loved the girls adventure we had with Ali and Lyse! And I also loved how impactful your character is, EW REALLY cemented that feeling and just made me fall in love with my character even more

He mentions setting up the chess board for the bigger moments. In SHB and EW they throw you with the whole chess board and I loved it. Top tier storytelling! Wish I could clear my memories and restart this game.

@th0rne_999

2 жыл бұрын

Yes man, I wasn't even done with EnW and I already wanted to new game+. Once we have a bit of time between patches, I want to new game+ from the very start all the way through. It's like you say, if I could forget and go through it fresh again, I would without hesitation.

@RealRaslu

2 жыл бұрын

@@th0rne_999 I started an ALT a few days ago and its unbelievable how much I missed or didn't understand at the time. Even in the very first cutscene on the carriage.. Can def recommend it!

@IRedpunk

2 жыл бұрын

I want EW NG+ just so I can redo the final fight

I liked the Stormblood a lot, because It was the most grounded human story, about nations divided and at war and what It does to people.

She jokes about "it was Urianger the whole time!", but Pyromancer literally couldn't figure it out before Urianger take off the "mask" LMAO.

@taldir5228

2 жыл бұрын

Pyro tends to figure out complicated stuff but refuse to accept obvious things :D

@jijonbreaker

2 жыл бұрын

@@taldir5228 He's so used to WoW making every single plot point impossible to understand, so he assumes nothing is simple.

@MaisieSqueak

2 жыл бұрын

It's very easy to point and laugh but generally you expect a mystery to be the least obvious answer.

@IanBoehmeME

2 жыл бұрын

Usually a mystery is the least obvious answer, but in 3.55 I SHOULD'VE expected Urianger due to his build not changing for the disguise, it was just him putting on a mask.

@MegaAndyGG

2 жыл бұрын

Where is Jessie?!

I'm one of those weirdos that really enjoyed Stormblood

@OldManDoom

2 жыл бұрын

Haha You aren’t alone. We are out there, hiding in the trees

@extinctbaryonyx

2 жыл бұрын

You're not weird. Stormblood has the best Raid of all ff xiv alliance raids.

@frizzlefry1985

2 жыл бұрын

Me as well!

@nkozi

2 жыл бұрын

Hello, fellow Stormblood enjoyer!

@R.-.W

2 жыл бұрын

I enjoyed it, there was something intensely satisfying to me about just going an dismantling the Garlean Empire since I’ve hated them since I started playing. Even though it had its flaws, and yeah, raids are hands down the best in the games. That moment in the Bya raid where the storm hit is one of my fav moments in the entire game.

Hmm I didn't get why people get mad on Lyse for hiding herself as Yda at first, but then I realized that I didn't really think of myself as "close" to the Scions at that time. In ARR you really only work as the Scion's contract executioner almost all of the time. Whatever interaction we had with the group was for meetings and menial stuff. It's only through Heavensward that we "journeyed" together albeit only with Tataru and Alphi, and mostly with Alphi. I say it's only through the end of Heavensward and through Stormblood that I felt that I finally forged a connection with the rest of the team by finding them and journeying with them across the realm.

@r2dezki

2 жыл бұрын

100%. I didn't feel as "part of the crew" back then. Felt like the scions had some background or other that we never got to see or care about. It's funny because Alphinaud is the most relatable character of the crew because he didn't seem as close to the core group or have much of a background at all except book smarts.

@severdonwan

2 жыл бұрын

Maybe they started in Gridania? Don't you interact with different scions depending on which city you start in? LIke, I was in Ul'dah as a Thaumaturge, so I interacted with Thancred several times before the airships opened up to me.

@melissas4874

2 жыл бұрын

I didn't dislike Lyse for pretending to be Yda. I find she is very much like like Alphinaud was in ARR: idealistic and stubborn. It was like when she changed to Lyse she threw all she learned (or should have) from her time with the scions out. She went from trusting the scions and being part of a team to being arrogant and brash. You would think the Crystal Braves fiasco and have to run after a coup attempt would have stuck in her memory for more than just one expansion.

@hoshiataru

2 жыл бұрын

@@severdonwan Oh you might be right! I also started in Ul'dah as a Pugilist and it was Thancred that greeted me and acted like a stalker since haha! But that was way early though! hmmm

@hoshiataru

2 жыл бұрын

@@melissas4874 She was just a confused little girl hiding behind Papalymo's little shadow. :c

I loved the beginning of Stormblood. It felt like they were making the game more realistic and bringing in things from the real world.

To me the moment I realized Y'shtola was awesome was her reaction to Alphinaud saying something like the 'image was burned in his mind' of seeing her reemerge from the lifestream butt nekkid, just the "I'm standing right here" energy of it. And I had a similar reaction that it was some BS if they were killing her off like that after how much of a business it was getting her back.

Zenos is the best character in the game. Ive hated him, ive felt sorry for him, i loved him, then hated him again, then REALLY hated him, then loved him again, then he became my best friend.

"For Lyse?!?!?!" is such an iconic line lmao.

Woah I didnt expect Preach to like Zenos at all. Love how open minded he is about the whole game.

@danilooliveira6580

2 жыл бұрын

its easy to like Zenos at the beginning of Stormblood, he is a simple vilain that only exist to make the plot moves, the problem is that he overstays his welcome for way too long. but at least everything gets wrapped up well in the end.

@hkoizumi3134

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah he's a hard character to relate to. For me, he reminds me of bad form of Saitama from One Punch Man. He himself is so overpowered, he lost interests in fights. The only motivation he has is to seek out the worthy fighter.

@JesseAnderson

2 жыл бұрын

People seem to forget that the general sentiment after people initially beat Stormblood was overwhelmingly positive. Zenos wasn't great but he was still a cool villain. Most of the negative sentiment stems from comparisons drawn to Shadowbringers and Heavensward being made long after the content was current

@thatonedude675

2 жыл бұрын

He’s great as a force of nature type villain in Stormblood. It’s just that after a while it’s hard to write literally a pure selfish person who doesn’t care about the world in a story where he’s around grand schemers and living embodiments of metaphysical concepts especially when his goal is just “wanna fite?”

@Plasmacat1

2 жыл бұрын

Zenos is like McDonald's. You can enjoy it at first but then you keep getting a Mcchicken all week long so it gets Turing and eventually makes you Ill.

9:00 Everyone else did not know, they figured it out, Y'shtola comments on it, Lyse was surprised she knew

@thatonedude675

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah, it’s pretty well outlined that the only people who didn’t know Yda wasn’t Yda were people who didn’t know Yda in the first place. Which is why I’m weirded out by the “I can’t trust her” take because it was pretty much just a lie for herself that everyone else just humored her on.

@Xaldarus

2 жыл бұрын

@@thatonedude675 I hear ya, it's just clear that most people miss a few things here and there. One thing I hate about watching streamers, when I see them look at chat for a moment when something important is happening but alas, they can never hear my screams... In general tho, I just need to accept that a lot of people miss things or don't pick up on other things which wildly shapes their opinion from there on.

I really loved Stormblood and while I understand that the first 10-20 hours can be overwhelming with all the new factions/clans etc. I appreciated the fact that not everything was so fleshed out and explained like in HW. That’s life: some things are overly explained and other stuff will be touched lightly

I’m probably in the minority but I enjoyed Stormblood as a whole more than Heavensward as a whole. Sure, the main MSQ had pacing issues but the high points were way higher than Heavensward to me plus it had a fantastic transition into Shadowbringers. On top of that, I much preferred the dungeons and raids of Stormblood over Heavensward.

@shatteredxangel

2 жыл бұрын

I had several other issues going on IRL that might have altered how well I enjoyed HW, but I just did not enjoy the HW story nearly as much as the praise it receives. I mean... it was good. But I didn't connect with it. Again... it was during one of the lower points in my life, but something about it never clicked with me at the time. I'm tempted to go back and do New Game+ and see if I can reconnect with it in the same way most others have.

@Gunplabro

2 жыл бұрын

Same dude. Heavensward is overloved. Stormblood is overhated.

@cardhouseanimal

2 жыл бұрын

@@Gunplabro this!

ShB had slow parts too, it just wasn't bunched at the start - first half of Rak'tika - most of fairy land - fetch quests before Mt. Gulg

Finishing up Shadowbringers now myself and will say that Stormblood is on par with Shadowbringers for me. Shadowbringers action is great, but i didnt care as much about the communities of Shadowbringers like i did for the repressed people of Doma, both are great expansions but i will never see the "Stormblood is bad" thing.

I didnt so much have a problem with Lyse coming forth and telling us the truth and all that implies. I had a far, FAR bigger problem that neither she nor Papalymo tried to contact us - and no, Papalymo sending a letter is NOT enough. We thought them dead. We though something terrible had happened for an entire expansion - and they SEND A SINGLE LETTER??!!! So, yeah, I was more upset about that. Same with Thancred who stayed in the wilderness instead of getting his ass back to the Scions. I mean, I understand that they were kinda indebted to the Resistance for helping them, hiding them and all, but if we take a look at how long in Eorzea-time the expansion took I would guess at the very least several months. Several months in which they didnt come back, in which we had to fight on our own, in we thought everyone had perrished. Sure, we did well enough, but still. This is supposed to be a family. And Yda and Papalymo failed big time here. In my estimate this weights heavier than Yda turning out to be Lyse - thats a private matter, thats personal, I wont pry. Everyone has secrets and everyone should be comfortable to have them for whatever reasons and maybe share them at some point - or not. I dont begrudge Lyse, but I was pissed to find out they were alive and well AND DIDN'T F***ING SHOW UP. Wow, I suppose I took this little part of the story way more serious than I gave it credit for ^^° Also, edit: Yda/Lyse is not a monk, she's a pugilist :P A pugilist with a monk-LB3, who learns stuff about monks at the end of Shadowbringers. But she's still not a monk :)

@IanBoehmeME

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah, for the players Monk is a straight upgrade for Pugilist, but for the NPCs they're two separate but connected disciplines

I'm currently in Stormblood and playing through mostly as White Mage, I was happily surprised when Y'Shtola was stabbed and Krile yells at me to get healing because I'm a healer. It's nice to see it aknowledged after Alphinaud takes the healing highlight after The Vault.

Preach tends to create very early opinions of characters and they don't change easily. I am particularly interested in watching his reaction to Thancred's development.

@MaisieSqueak

2 жыл бұрын

He's also very stubborn... particularly if his hatred for a character strikes a chord and upsets people. Yda is a classic example. He assumed she was a mess and when a lot of people were very taken aback by it he stuck with his hatred. He's a bully and won't be seen to ever be incorrect or at fault. He'd rather stick to his guns and continue to upset others.

@greatgoatsby3068

2 жыл бұрын

Amazingly well said. Not to mention his annoying hatred for chocobos and some of the most basic aspects of FFXIV where he comes off as really snobby/bully about it.

@txmits507

2 жыл бұрын

i'm through 5.3 right now and the overbearing guardian bit cuz he was partially responsible for minfillia is not all the endearing to be honest. honestly would like them if he wasn't so broody over his shit 20 years later.

@TheAssirra

2 жыл бұрын

@@greatgoatsby3068 the chocobo hate was a joke. The man is selling kweh shirts now for crying out loud.

I had zero emotional connection to Yda or Lyse going into SB, so I totally understand Preach's feelings at this point.

@IanBoehmeME

2 жыл бұрын

In ARR and HW Yda and Papalymo were just the window dressing of the Scions and by the time that you finally see them, Yda doesn't exist because she's really just Lyse and Papalymo is incapacitated.

@MegaAndyGG

2 жыл бұрын

So be a hater then. Nobody cares.

Oh my god... I just realized why Omega couldn't call home... @_@

As a tank main Susano is my favorite trial by miles. I love it. It’s a shame he’s gonna do it as DPS

@nickh5021

2 жыл бұрын

I saw during Pyromancer's playthrough they let him do that part. I didn't even know someone other than a tank could.

@James-kv3ll

2 жыл бұрын

@@nickh5021 oh? Thought it was tank only

@Demonmack0

2 жыл бұрын

:) Preach did it as his BLM both times.

@James-kv3ll

2 жыл бұрын

@@Demonmack0 Nice

@JetBalrog

2 жыл бұрын

@@James-kv3ll tank only if you're doing the extreme, it does SO much damage

That is definitely a golf bag Zenos carries around.

Dayumm zep you sent mike a video for his bday too?? I thought I was the only special one when you sent one for my bday ☹️

I liked Stormblood, I liked the new characters especially the Steppe folk, Hien is cool, Ala Mhigo story is good, Kugane is so beautiful... the only problem comes with comparing it all to HW

@shatteredxangel

2 жыл бұрын

I think every expansion stands well on its own. Its in comparison that some don't stand out as shining jewels. SB isn't bad. It's really good... especially its patch content, which was amazing.

@RocRolDis

Жыл бұрын

I really did not enjoy Stormblood for a few reasons. I don't enjoy the dragon lady stereotype, so Yotsuyu had an uphill battle to begin with. 4.3's content wrenched her away from a plot line that had me liking her only to turn her into a character from an angsty teen fanfic. The sympathy bating in the phase transition of her fight felt insulting at that point. I found Zenos boring as he really wasn't a character. He was just a thing that was present and won the fights with him because the game said so. Splitting the story like they did really caused some whiplash with me. I barely started to get into Ala Mihgo when they slam on the breaks and now we're in Doma for most of the expansion, only to return to Ala Mihgo as almost an afterthought.

Zenos is an amazing character, my favorite villain. I think a lot of long time players got swept up in the “Zenos/Stormblood sucks” general opinion that took hold back then. Therefore many recent players, especially streamers, really enjoy the whole SB arc and it appears surprising- but I bet if long time players went back and re-experienced the story again, they may change their points of view. I am loving all the love for SB, as HW/SB were 1a and 1b for me, until EW of course. So this has been great to see the newer folks give it some love

@Nodnarb59

2 жыл бұрын

I never liked Zenos even with what they did with him in EW. Still do not get the appeal with him.

@melissas4874

2 жыл бұрын

I didn't play SB until this past summer and didn't enjoy it as much as the ShB, HW or even ARR. I don't think that means the story "sucks" though (just like I don't think ARR sucks). I think a lot of it was certain characters, mainly Lyse for me, but also the Au Ra tribes annoyed me quite a bit. I don't like Zenos in the current story, but I think he was good in SB.

@danilooliveira6580

2 жыл бұрын

Zenos is a simple vilain that only exist to make the plot move, the problem is that he overstays his welcome for way too long, characters like that need to do their thing fast to make the protagonists have something to do and then leave stage (like they did with Fandaniel), so if they stay for too long you start to see how shallow they actually are, and they start to become a bit an annoyance instead of a efficient plot device. but at least everything gets wrapped up well in the end.

@EdgeOfDarkness86

2 жыл бұрын

I really really liked SB but Zenos is one of the worst villains ever.

@pole8740

2 жыл бұрын

@@EdgeOfDarkness86 i hated sb but i thought zenos was fucking amazing

i loved stormblood personally and think a lot of people hate on it because others do and they can't make their own opinions - obviously some genuinely won't like it but i think more people enjoy it than we hear about

@chiekokurokumo

2 жыл бұрын

I also didn't mind it either. Honestly better than ARR for me at least. I do not care for Lyse but I did love everything from Kugane and beyond.

@MaisieSqueak

2 жыл бұрын

100% ... classic dog pile mentality ... Unfortunate as it's a very great expansion indeed.

@chiekokurokumo

2 жыл бұрын

Also Stormblood laid super important foundations that paid off later...

@Deminese2

2 жыл бұрын

@@chiekokurokumo Laying foundations down isn't exactly an exciting story by itself.

@chiekokurokumo

2 жыл бұрын

@@Deminese2 That is true. ARR is a case in point. I actually thought SB was exciting, especially Kugane afterward. However, not all stuff has to be exciting in order to be enjoyable and not all parts of a story need to be exciting and enjoyable in order to be necessary or good. Ex. Counsel of Rivendell.

Wait, there's an inn in Kugane? 👀

Stupid maintenance cut me off at a really good point in the story. now im feeling something thats akin to withdrawal D:

Miss Zepla, everyone does not say that about STORMBLOOD. STORMBLOOD is a Masterpiece.

I wonder how things would have played out if our character had been able to overwhelm and kill zenos in that first encounter. Would it have resulted in the intense focus of the empire upon that region, or might it have proved lyse right and inspired the uprising in what would have been the empire's moment of weakness.

I never felt "betrayed" by Lyse. She had her secrets, but we all do. I don't feel she did anything that was an actual betrayal. It was just a "oh cool, we learned something new about you, thanks for sharing. ready to go kick ass ?" I will give one criticism that I hope get rectified in the future. Why isn't she an option in my Trust team yet? This is thoroughly inexcusable.

@txmits507

2 жыл бұрын

not all of us pretend to be someone else for 10 years mate. hi, you thought you knew me, but nope, i'm someone else who was just pretending to be my sister!

@barachiel212

2 жыл бұрын

@@txmits507 But we do know her. She was just operating under her sister's name. Yda was an archon, a scholar, and Lyse-as-Yda never matched up to that. The reveal suddenly made her character make so much more sense. if anything, the worst I can say is, she was probably faking some of her happy-go-lucky attitude. Woop-de-doo.

@iResonate

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah, the "betrayal" feeling everyone always conveys for that part has always been weird to me, considering none of the other scions felt the same lol. Plus, people love Urianger and he really has betrayed your trust several times. Thing is you didn't really know the scions a whole lot at that point, over time throughout the expansions we came to truly know them.

@MaisieSqueak

2 жыл бұрын

@@txmits507 mate? Jesus... What has the WoW refugee rabble brought in?... God help this games future

@IanBoehmeME

2 жыл бұрын

@@MaisieSqueak God help your fanaticism

Unintentionally Prophetic Statement (Hiding timestamp because it's SB Foreshadowing): 20:09

Ooof. Shadowbringers had a lot of slow moments that dragged on. The whole top half of Ahm Araeng was brutal.

In shadowbringer Faery location was very slow. Play with faery, help sad-eye-doggies, help amaro... But other locations are way better in my opinion. In StB you should help everyone everywhere but it is full-story in 4.0. HW story(3.0) feels deep unfinished.

Shadowbringers may have started slower if you chose Alphie before Alisae

Where does the lyse hate come from?

Wrapping up the Stormblood patches atm , but I agree the Lyse "twist" was one of the more lack luster moments in the game so far (story wise ofcourse)

Being a LOGICIAN myself, I was able to completely understand both Lyse's and Uriangers reasoning behind their actions and accepted them as the best possible outcome between their limited choices to attain their goals. I accepted them back with open arms and would have done the same thing if I had been in their position.

@MaisieSqueak

2 жыл бұрын

Mike seems very unreasonably mistrusting... and not in the "I've been hurt too many times" way... but more the "I do NOT like you and you've given me the perfect excuse to attack you" way.

SB problem is empty gyr abania. there's barely any npc or quests. so many undercooked zones. Unused qihirn village, tomb, sharlean ark. Unexistant resistant leaders npcs. I wish one day we get SB expanded.

@SemperVII

2 жыл бұрын

So true, I like the zones a lot but they do feel very empty. The Lochs zone looks amazing, but it's waaaay too empty for being where Ala Mhigo is, especially when you compare it to other zones close to the city-states.

@TheAssirra

2 жыл бұрын

It really suffered from having doma and gyr arbania in 1 expansion. It's really obvious how split it is.

WoL never even met Yda. You've only ever known Lyse, and the only one Lyse knew that she knew she wasn't Yda is Papalymo. Everyone else knew, but were just keeping her close. To say she was lying is kind of nonsense. It's like having a freak out that Miley Cyrus isn't REALLY Hannah Montana.

After finishing Endwalker I'm seriously considering starting an alt from lvl 1 and just replaying the story.

@jamesmckee329

8 ай бұрын

Done it 3 times

The only part of SB i disliked was coming back to deal with the garleans in Ala Mhigo after spending so much time fighting them in Doma. The people face similar struggles, but if you went back and forth a bit more between those major areas it might feel as though their revolutions are a bit more connected. But overall everywhere we visit is so beautiful and the stories of the locals struggles are so well written. HW and Stormblood are on the same level for me.

Yda up to SB is basically a weaker version of the main character. "I have no idea wtf is happening, I have no idea what you just told me, just tell me who I'm supposed to punch and I'm good"

@IanBoehmeME

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah... Too bad she didn't train with Erik and Widgargelt to learn Chakra stuff to be able to get to be as strong as the Monk classed Champion of Light

"because characters are money" *SE laughs in y'shtola statue*

i never lost faith in my boi uberdanger

I'm at SB recently and i do like Lyse, and dont understand why so many ppl think she's annoying. Because that's how they mostly described this character to me earlier.

Stormblood is a great expansion. It just has the odd misfortune of being sandwiched between the two even more excellent expansions of Heavensward and Shadowbringers.

@pole8740

2 жыл бұрын

the context, the trial, dungeons are impeccable, but the story fucking suck piss, the wol literally had the presence of a can of shit, the only thing they do is fight shit when people needed them

@DemonLordSparda

2 жыл бұрын

@@pole8740 In a story of War and Liberation the main character fights things to resolve issues? Unheard of.

@pole8740

2 жыл бұрын

@@DemonLordSparda but why are we fighting? just cause we're the good guys?

@DemonLordSparda

2 жыл бұрын

@@pole8740 I mean if you play the game and pay attention you know why. Yes we're the good guys. We joined an organization that has taken up the task of uniting Eorzea and making the world a better place. Ilberd invaded Baelsar's Wall in an act to force a war between Eorzea and Garlemald. Rather than wait to see if Garlemald will launch an attack on Gridania, the Eorzean Alliance decides to launch a premeptive operation with the goal of freeing Ala Mhigo. The Scions are asked to assist the Ala Mhigan resistance and help fight back against imperial rule. That's why you are fighting. Is that enough or do you need more details, like the Ala Mhigan refugee situation in Ul' Dah?

@pole8740

2 жыл бұрын

@@DemonLordSparda by all means

I'm glad Urianger shaved those weird muttonchops 😁 looking back on them, they're a bit douchy 😂

Why is setting up for later story a bad thing? If it’s done well, it works

@MaisieSqueak

2 жыл бұрын

Yup. It doesn't make for a very interesting story if it's all pow pow pow.

@Deminese2

2 жыл бұрын

If it's mostly all that an expansion does then the actual main story that isn't setup is boring or bad. Stormblood isn't bad overall but the main plot of it is meandering and boring.

awwwh I love Neverreap, might be one of my fav dungeons in the game aha XD Sunken Temple hard or not, I will leave groups and take the penalty xD... thinking about it most ARR dungeons I don't like.

@KotRFFXIV

2 жыл бұрын

With Brayflox probably being the exception.

Preach's ff streams are literally godsend so funny also i like stormblood alot it was really nice Exp almost finished with 5.0 and i am already emotional such a good exp.

@MaisieSqueak

2 жыл бұрын

I'll be honest - I feel like a nerd who's just had the local bully find her den. I tried very hard to watch his streams with an open mind but, more and more, I find the experience very stressful.

@hub1986

2 жыл бұрын

@@MaisieSqueak definitley not for all but for me he has always made me laugh.

@Demonmack0

2 жыл бұрын

@@MaisieSqueak For PREACH?! That's very strange. They're really comfy and funny streams. I don't know how you feel like that :O

Stormblood is great, it's just sandwiched right between Heavensward and Shadowbringer.

@IanBoehmeME

2 жыл бұрын

My favorite part of Heavens Ward was just that time when Archbishop Thordan exclaims "Who, what are you!?"

i remember just completely skipping out on the this is where shit is kinda quests when i played ff14 and boy oh boy...do i regret it cause it took me so long to learn how stuff works and looks in ff compared to other mmos XD

Wanna hear him say he hates Papi Thancred after Shadowbringers ;)

Yda was an act, an interpretation of how Lyse saw her sister. A bit scatterbrained, but strong with good intentions. Of course Yda and Lyse feel like two different characters because they are two different characters. Though people get upset at the duplicity but really we never actually meet the real Yda, just Lyses portrayal of Yda. Do you get upset at someone who puts on a brave face only to find out its all a fake bravado because they are actually timid and unsure of themselves?

@33link333

2 жыл бұрын

The only time the player actually sees Yda and not Lyse was an echo flashback back in 1.0. It was never really a deception that would effect a player since we never knew Yda.

eeh I disagree about the setup of ShB, the first couple areas are basically showing what is happening to the world, the exarch even says "maybe you should go see for yourself" or something like that before he starts dropping a lot of exposition on you. the difference there is how they did all of that, and also the fact of how interesting the new world they were dropping you in was, so it doesn't feel like setup, because they are getting the pieces in place at the same time they drop you into the action.

@trollingisasport

2 жыл бұрын

Show don't tell. Something this game could learn.

@danilooliveira6580

2 жыл бұрын

@@trollingisasport its kinda weird how they decided to go more "tell" in EW, I don't mind because I love worldbuilding, but still, ShB was so smooth in the way it presented you the world.

@Tystolfo

2 жыл бұрын

@@trollingisasport ? they literally have an entire plot device thats sole purpose is to show the player instead of telling, that being the echo.

S TIER: Alphinaud Y'shtola Thancred Minfilia A Tier: Alisaie Urianger B Tier: Krile Lyse Papalymo

5:18 nein. Shadowbringers' slow parts are definitely 76 and 78 content. Rebuilding that damn tram and looking through that tomb for almost nothing was really boring.

@MxMoondoggie

2 жыл бұрын

Rebuilding the tram was incredibly dull. Then you have to do another build-a-thing quest later for Mt. Gulg which was total crap. Dungeon was good but the lead up was slow as hell.

But Lyse didn't think the Scions knew outside Pap. She didn't tell ANYONE, not just you.

Yda made me blush during this reveal. Her story also broke my heart

Stormblood was an uneven experience for me. I prefer the Doma section of the story more than Ala Mhigo, but that's because I got to spend more time in Othard.

What exactly was Zepla talking about with Shinryu and Omega fighting? Could somebody please explain it to me like I accidentally skipped a cutscene and didnt realize it?

@R.-.W

2 жыл бұрын

They fight, literally it’s like one of the first few cutscenes and quests in the story, they awake Omega, who the Ultima Weapon is derived from to fight Shin and then flies off to the raid. It was a pretty big plot point. Here’s the vid. kzread.info/dash/bejne/l5eBtbdvcsyraLQ.html

“She can punch things good.” Line of the year, lol

@dimbusjenkins

2 жыл бұрын

lmao and outside of cinematics it's hardly true

the monk meme of monk s beeing usless in dnd continues with ff14

SB is the 2nd best xpac. Second only to EW.

"You didn't like Yda?" She had like... 5 lines in ARR. She was to really engaged with I think?

Lyse or whoever. Ig he said he didn't like Ida of them

Catgirls have 9 lives, we all know that.

20% more like all of it

I keep getting Neverreap in 50/60/70/80 roulette and i'm just.....please not again. no more. please.

SB was good, the theme of liberating nations is so emotional. But honestly anything compare to ShB and EW becomes child's play.

@IanBoehmeME

2 жыл бұрын

That's because ShB and EW is the Dream Drop Distance and 3 to the rest of the series. Everything feels weaker because it isn't as much of the finale feeling as the build up to it is.

@MegaAndyGG

2 жыл бұрын

@@IanBoehmeME No. They are just better.

@IanBoehmeME

2 жыл бұрын

@@MegaAndyGG Are they better or are they just weightier in terms of their significance to the Ascian Conflict which you could call the main arc of FFXIV?

@ZechsMerquise73

2 жыл бұрын

@@IanBoehmeME I think a lot of the opinions are coming from people who skip or didn't understand the long dialogues on military philosophy and post-genocide recovery. SB was really the first game that started hitting those high notes that people love in ShB and EW, if only they had read the dialogue. I think SB's biggest weakness that I can recall is that they assigned all the important speeches to scenes without voice acting. It also structured a great deal of its story around setting up plot lines for post-game, so that the MSQ for the expansion itself doesn't really do a lot. Another thing is that many of the people I've talked to about SB didn't like how powerless the main cast felt for the majority of the game. But they were oblivious to how powerless the main cast is to the general of eulmore in ShB, for 95% of the expansion MSQ, before you steamroll him in a solo instance and hes not mentioned again.

I take it that you never played FF Tactics?

only been playing a few months finished everything up to the beginning of EW. I don't get why people hate lyse so much, she pretty much explained why she did what she did and she grew a lot as a character in Stormblood. I've seen so many forums with people discussing it and i just don't agree with the reasoning for hating her. it's weird. the funny thing is i am neither here nor there on her, i don't like or hate her. i just don't think the hate for her is justified. I quicker hate uriange over lyse by far because he LITERALLY betrays you. i still dont like him even after SHB

I didn't "not like Y'da". I just... didn't care about her. And I started in Gridania, which is about when she gets most of her characterisation.

The problem might be the starting zone I started in uldah and I hate tancreed don't like lysse either right now she's just a overhyped messenger I did like papalymo though

I have never been this early.

See, I disagree with a lot of the opinions on Yda/Lyse. But part of that is because of the books I've read, the games I've played, and the movies I've watched. I am completely and utterly shocked that anyone was surprised that Yda or Urianger had secrets. They were wearing masks all through ARR. Anyone who has ever TOUCHED a comic book knows that someone with a mask has something to hide. Sure, they may be on your side, but that doesn't mean they don't have secrets. (On that note, the people who get upset at Urianger's double agent routine clearly are Superman fans, rather than Batman fans.) As for Yda turning out to be Lyse? The story of the kid wanting to carry on her big sister's legacy, because her sister and the Scions are all she has? That's like half the tragic rogue backstories in D&D. And the Scions all knowing, but allowing her to keep the charade? That's their way of helping a friend who wasn't ready to deal with her loss. Her making mistakes with the Ala Mighans? That's straight out of real life. The former refugees come back with the 'liberating' forces, and find that the populace is, for the most part, just trying to keep their heads down and keep alive. You see it all the time in military history. Hell, head on down to Florida, and I guarantee that you'll find lots of people who are WAY more invested in getting the Castro regime removed from Cuba than people who actually live in Cuba. If this showed up in a book or movie, I don't think anyone would have an issue with it. The only reason people have problems with it is because it is in a video game, and specifically and RPG, and people have been conditioned by games to always be the hero, you're always the good guys, everyone loves you, no one lies to you, you can trust what the NPCs tell you. And that is a failing as far as writing goes, to the point where, unless you're in a game like LA Noir, you don't even get the OPTION to doubt whether someone's telling the truth to you. Anyone with two brain cells put together could have seen that the Crystal Braves were going to betray us, but we couldn't do anything, because of the on-rails story. It would have been so easy to just kill the Lalafels that get in your way and stamp out the petty politics, but you have to sit back and let things go from bad to worse in Ul'dah, because it is an on-rails story. The story is good, but so far the only thing that surprised me was when Lolorito turned out to not be a complete prick.

@R.-.W

2 жыл бұрын

Lyse has a problem when it comes to ‘being a stranger in a familiar land’ and dealing with stuff that not alot of people can relate to in real life. It’s funny that I read that a lot of people who are from countries like Ala that were oppressed enjoy Lyse and see her as realistic character. Even though I think like the rest she has problems.

@severdonwan

2 жыл бұрын

@@R.-.W Indeed! Lyse's problems are basically a more extreme version of the 'you can't go home again' effect. You spent your childhood in one place, went off to school, worked, and when you come back to the old neighborhood or the small town you came from, everything is just... different, and the behaviors you learned elsewhere just "ain't how things are done around here". Lyse is a very relatable character if you have traveled, even if you aren't from an oppressed country. Sure, she has problems. That's what makes her realistic.

SB is in fact good (having not watched the video yet)

You pronounced “Alwaysreap” wrong.

>everybody says that about SB Correction. Quicksand shitters say that about SB

The worse thing about Lyse is that she took away the character of Yda. Yda was a fun companion, a loveable idiot that provides levity in many situations. But Lyse removed all of that and she became extremely bland after that. In the big picture, Yda wasn’t a big deal, she is there for flavour, this expansion would have been better if Alisaie took the spotlight, which makes more sense because they are more intriguing. It was a bit too much when we just had Alisaie back the previous patch then Papalymo dies and now a new character replaces someone we know. We could have had the same story if Yda was still Yda, and limit her role only in the Ala Mhigo resistance instead of having her in Othard as well. You kinda see that SE acknowledge Lyse being a mistake when her role in later expansion being greatly diminished. I mean there are moments when her former involvement with the Scions could have been something to be used, but they totally glossed over it because that would mean involving her.

@DemonLordSparda

2 жыл бұрын

Lyse gets moved to a City State leader role and at that points gets used in the same way as every other person in that position. Also just because her involvement could conceivably used doesn't mean it would be worthwhile to show in the game. We could call on Aymeric or Hien for nearly anything yet we don't. Why? Did SE rrealize those characters were "mistakes". You are searching for justifications in your dislike of a character that no one in game or on the dev team dislikes.

@R.-.W

2 жыл бұрын

@@DemonLordSparda Yep, she flat out leaves the Scions because she now has a country to help run, and that’s also a reason as to why she doesn’t get pulled into the First. And also minor SPOILERS for ENDWALKER anyone! She has a few prominent scenes where she does show she will help out in quests, even taking the initiative that the resources for the important project in Ala aren’t enough and heads to the Shroud to assist them since they don’t have a strong army. She is fully remembered in the story, even more than Hien.

Running trusts, I hated the first three duties for EW.

There hasn’t been a bad expansion yet.

I'm halfway through Stormblood right now and while I think it's weaker than Heavensward story-wise, I'm still enjoying it

I always loved Yda....and then Lyse too.... i just finished Stormblood and she's so awesome. Stormblood was awesome. I really enjoyed the expansion more than Heavensward tbh. Moving on to Shadowbringers soon. Wish me luck!

I'm aware that I'm in a minority, but Stormblood is and probably always will be my favourite expansion, even though I do at the same time acknowledge that it is the weakest one from a story perspective.

@SammyRebbo

2 жыл бұрын

It's also my favorite Expansion as well!!

does this video contain spoilers? can you please write in the description if it contains spoilers or not? would be really helpful, thanks

@Demonmack0

2 жыл бұрын

Preach only up to first primal but there's really only one HARD spoiler. Zepla kinda mentions later stuff but nothing too serious.

The biggest problem with Lyse's character is that she never learns from her mistakes... She just blames someone else, moves on, and then repeats the same mistakes for you to deal with again. It feels like her entire character exists solely to screwup in ways that drive the plot's conflict, which comes off as super annoying and kind of lazy. Like, for example, early on she overestimates her abilities and charges Zenos, which gets Y'shtola basically deleted from the expansion... But instead of learning to know her abilities and control herself, we flash forward to the end of the xpac, and she's opting to charge at Primals, which makes us have to do additional bosswork to keep her from getting tempered while we fight it. Most XIV characters learn from their faults and grow as characters, but Lyse exists in a vacuum of plot convenience. -.-

Tbh i didn’t even like yda she tried to be the rikku of 14 but didn’t have the right balance of both perky and serious character growth and she gets even worse as lyse

You have to watch the " mad because small " videos lol

The people of Ala Mhigo are the least sympathetic people of anyone in Eorzea.

I don't like Lyse because everything is handed to her just because her dad was important. Honestly I felt really bad and just made me like her less that M'naggo got shafted as resistance leader just because the last leader said so in his dying breath. She even has flavor text before handing the MSQ where she goes "I guess Lyse is commander now..... Well, if Curtis said so it must be respected". I thought she would get humbled by Hien but when I thought she would learn from him when they are stuck together, nothing came of it. Makes it even more hilarious and just silly that she got less screen time on SB and now on EW. Like freaking pirate boy from a patch got more voiced lines than her. They are aware most people don't like her. Wish they actually improve or kill characters instead of going for what the vocal fanbase wants, it's a problem Square has not only in 14 but the other mainline FF titles too. As much as I liked EW and it's a very satisfying conclusion, it does seem super safe for the most part.

People who say Ala Mhigo is boring and "filler" clearly haven't lived in a country which was colonized and brutalized by the colonial powers. The theme, the depression among the people, the survival instinct that makes you side with the colonizer, these are very real problems that people in colonized countries have had to deal with. So if for example you're from Britain, France, Netherlands, Spain or Portugal and you think the story is going nowhere, congratulations, you're the Garlean empire in the story; your nation is the one that brutalized other countries to conscript people for their wars, rape the people and the environment for your benefit.

@R.-.W

2 жыл бұрын

I think it’s kinda telling that a lot of people who lived though stuff like that like Lyse and that part of the story. It’s something not very many people will go though so it doesn’t resonate much.

@ZechsMerquise73

2 жыл бұрын

"You're the Garlean Empire" really hits the nail on the head. That's expounded on in the Garleans' attitudes in Endwalker. Clannish and completely unsympathetic of other people's plights. So much so that the plights of those colonized people don't even register to them. I didn't really think it was possible for people to be so blind, but it makes sense that the majority of a colonial state would represent the will of their nation. That the people in that nation should embody the unrepentant colonizer.