This is what excites me the most about PC gaming: extremely knowledgeable people unlocking the full potential of old games and preserving them at the same time. Incredible!

@AVerySillySausage

Ай бұрын

Right, that along with mods and the general more flexible backwards compatiblity. Having to rely on developers to update dead games to modern standards with no financial incentives is crazy. Meanwhile PC games scale with your hardware infinitely (at least with resolution and framerate) and there will always be a community to iron out issues as they gradually become less compatible with modern hardware. OpenMW is another brilliant project where fans have built a new engine for the game that brings a 22 year old game up to modern standards. Meanwhile you have a game like Bloodborne that will be forever locked in a cage of blurry aliased 1080p with a bad frame paced 30fps because the devs can't be bothered to do anything about it.

@jsb0714

Ай бұрын

Wait a minute. You talk about "preserving" yet this is just another lame PC hack.

@earlyriser03

Ай бұрын

@@jsb0714 i'm not very technically-minded, and even i understood how significant an achievement this is based on Alex's excellent break down. this is far from being "lame".

@AVerySillySausage

Ай бұрын

@@jsb0714 ?

@R1K4RD39

Ай бұрын

Popular games don't need to be "preserved", there are lots of great niche games which deserve this attention.

F-Zero X 120fps+ on ultrawide Oled is now something I only now just realized that I have wanted all my life!

@gmcubed

Ай бұрын

ooh, could someone give X a GX make over? That'd be fun.

@Tailslol

Ай бұрын

They forgot to speak about model swap. Oot can use models from 3ds and TWP so imagine fzero x with proper graphics and ray tracing.

@xosece

Ай бұрын

I think many records would be broken

@IncognitoActivado

Ай бұрын

@@Tailslol ray tracing? whatever you say, eye-candy fanboy.

@angerypete3483

Ай бұрын

With the Japan only EXpansion kit too

Alex, I will forever admire your dedication to using old Unreal and UT music in any retro-related videos on DF. Never gets old.

@Offsettttt

Ай бұрын

Also, Tiberian Sun soundtrack ))

@override7486

Ай бұрын

tracking ftw

@davidt3563

Ай бұрын

MY HOUSE!!

@wileymanful

Ай бұрын

speaking of, what's the song playing at 1:10 if anyone knows it?

@GwilymWogan

Ай бұрын

​@@wileymanful "Link Up," from Tiberian Sun Firestorm

When I saw Nerrel's video I kept looking at the upload date thinking it was April 1st. How anyone was able to create a tool to do this is beyond me, but my god they're a wizard. We need it for every old console now. Unlocking arbitrary framerate with 0 issues is absolutely massive.

@captainpumpkinhead1512

Ай бұрын

I've always wondered why we even bother with just-in-time compilation for emulation. Seems to me like pre-compiled emulation would offer massive speed enhancements, just as it has here.

Extreme-G at 120fps? Yes. PLEASE.

@ISSO1407

Ай бұрын

Thats a weird way to spell F-Zero.

@3dmarth

Ай бұрын

There's a code to make XG2 run at 60fps on emulators, and it works amazingly. Not sure if there's one for the original game, though. (If there is, someone please share it!)

@szeltovivarsydroxan9944

Ай бұрын

Extreme G at anything over 30. Iirc that game slowed sometimes down to sub 5 fps if a lot of stuff was going on on the screen.

@dizziuog

Ай бұрын

@@ISSO1407 f-zero x already runs at 60 tho, extreme g barely works lol

@equinoxe3d

Ай бұрын

@@3dmarth Ironically that would be better than the actual XG2 "re-released" PC version (which is the old 1998 PC release patched up with a Glide wrapper). It runs at 30-35 FPS, it's a shame Nightdive doesn't have the license to do this one.

9:43 that thing really whips the llama's ass

@slot9

Ай бұрын

Yeah the Winamp usage was great!

@HungryHungryDude

Ай бұрын

Hahahaha

@kodemasterx

Ай бұрын

Newer generation of gamers are like ????? 😂😂😂

@mutoneon

Ай бұрын

With a belt!

@sonicsnake44

Ай бұрын

That definitely took me back. Funny how I downloaded all of these different skins and didn't hardly ever use any of them.

Wave Race 64, Donkey Kong 64, Banjo-Kazooie, the N64 RUSH games, F-Zero X

@MrJeanjean2009

Ай бұрын

Add GoldenEye, Perfect Dark

@environm3ntalist549

Ай бұрын

Body Harvest, Jet Force Gemini, Rogue Squadron, etc

@AquaticMammalOnBicycle

Ай бұрын

Wave Race 64 at 60fps can you imagine. Other games seem pointless to recompile in comparison to that.

@SoyAntonioGaming

Ай бұрын

@@AquaticMammalOnBicycle ye, F-Zero X is good as is. already 60 FPS

@00Clive00

Ай бұрын

Perfect Dark has already been decompiled and it's completely playable at high resolution and frame rates, I played through it on a crappy surface pro 4 with intel 520 integrated graphics, ran flawlessly.​@@MrJeanjean2009

Perfect dark with ray tracing 👌

@rarewhiteape

Ай бұрын

That would be awesome. PD has such a vibe. Sadly the game is absolutely filled with baked textures to represent its lighting, so I hope someone is able to figure out a way to work around that.

@cyxceven

Ай бұрын

Literally what we need, but Xbox is too dumb to deliver.

@IncognitoActivado

Ай бұрын

ray tracing? whatever you say, eye-candy fanboy, whatever you say.

@DavidPereiraLima123

Ай бұрын

@@IncognitoActivado Good. I'd like ray tracing aswell.

@IncognitoActivado

Ай бұрын

@@DavidPereiraLima123 Casual. XD

Playing recompiled games on the Steam Deck is going to be huge. Native quality ports of classic games is a game changer.

@ivan4087

Ай бұрын

yeah cause steam deck is so crt

@MrMastercatfish

Ай бұрын

I’m playing the MM recomp right now on my steam deck and it’s perfect

@Moskeeto

Ай бұрын

I hope console recompilation like this is the future of "emulation." Imagine all the traditional emulators getting replaced with this and giving us what are essentially native PC ports!

@Wolfwood2057

Ай бұрын

@@Moskeeto I doubt it unless we get a faster process for the de-compilation step. It's similar to how the HLE emulator in the video was done actually, typically aimed towards the popular games. We might get a Recompilation of Mario Kart, Banjo-Kazooie, and Smash Brothers for example, but it's unlikely we'll get recompilations of games like Goemon's Great Adventure, Custom Robo, or No Mercy, just because they're not nearly as popular so there won't be the eyes needed to handle the de-compilation step. It also likely won't help for anything past N64, because the code is even more monstrous for later systems, and won't help for games prior to N64, because emulation is usually already pretty good there (SNES is almost fully accurate now) Basically: This is mostly useful for N64, but i'm skeptical of how effective it will be towards the entire library, or even if it's manageable for games past n64.

@raven-a

Ай бұрын

​@@Wolfwood2057 Eventually with IA help I can see more decompilation happening but yeah, it's gonna take a while, people are going nuts over it but the N64 is almost 30 years old, like decompilation on this level it's more than late at this point, emulators have been enabling using HD textures and other niceties for years and years

I look forward to when custom texture support arrives. Pairing this port with Nerrel’s texture pack would be a match made in heaven.

@Hobbles_

Ай бұрын

That's what I'm super excited for as well. Me and my GF are waiting for that to replay the game together side by side!

@sergiodetter1417

Ай бұрын

if they also give android support then im playing the shit out of this on my odin2

@theninjamaster67

Ай бұрын

Same but not just for Nerrel's retexture (which is incredibly good don't get me wrong) but I'd also love to use Andrat's Mario Kart 64 retexture that painstakingly remade every 2D character sprite (thousands of them) from scratch to make the characters look like actual 3D models.

@Zinkolo

Ай бұрын

Honestly that pack is pretty awful. I much prefer having someone port over the 3DS textures and models as well as the lighting. That version just looks amazing and truly brings the game to it's own light.

@theninjamaster67

Ай бұрын

@@Zinkolo Weak bate.

What a time to be alive 🥹

@rhinosaurus1496

Ай бұрын

Exactly what I was going to say 😭👍

It's always a nice day when df uploads retro game content

Need Starfox 64 badly.

@CheckmateStallioN

Ай бұрын

DK 64

@crust5909

Ай бұрын

Castlevania 64

@NothingHereForYou

Ай бұрын

I wanna say I read it’s not too far off from happening

@joey199412

Ай бұрын

@@CheckmateStallioN DK 64 is needed because emulators can STILL not properly emulate timed sections in the game. Meaning the game is incomplete-able without cheats when emulated.

@MechromancerFTW

Ай бұрын

Pokémon Stadium 1 + 2

will we finally get a competent version of Goldeneye 007?

@supabass4003

Ай бұрын

Yeah its in the N64!!!

@pyro_lc4248

Ай бұрын

since Perfect Dark which is Goldeneye's spiritual sequel has been reverse engineered and ported to PC, I think it's bound to happen.

@rorynolan2322

Ай бұрын

It's pretty easy to get hold of and emulate the 360 version which is very solid

@masterquake7

Ай бұрын

It really is baffling that neither the Xbox nor Switch version got the most basic stuff right. I liked it on Switch, but would have been great if the controls were modernized in the N64 NSO app.

@FlukeyHeadshot

Ай бұрын

The 360 remaster is perfect via emulation.

I can't wait to see Wave Race 64 with ray traced waters... omg

@Mr.Beavis667

Ай бұрын

You already can, Dario posted a video on his twitter a long time ago

The way it looked on your CRT. Oh my 🥲

@StarGazerTom1991

26 күн бұрын

It looks just like how I remember these older games looking!

Seeing Zelda 64 in 60fps is wilddddd

@fireaza

Ай бұрын

It's like seeing a Disneyland mascot without the head on, it's just... Wrong.

@El-Duderino-His-Dudeness

Ай бұрын

I wish Jet Force Gemini would get this treatment, but that game also needs a good controller overhaul. Somehow the Rare Xbox One port had worse controller input than the original.

@Hamlock_

Ай бұрын

Ocarina of Time has been playable with arbitrary framerates since its decompilation called Ship of Harkinian, so we've seen a Zelda 64 game in 60fps for a while

@v1kt0u5

Ай бұрын

@@El-Duderino-His-Dudeness Yas! One of my favorites!

@3dmarth

Ай бұрын

@@El-Duderino-His-Dudeness What was wrong with the Xbone version? I thought the dual stick controls (with Advanced mode enabled, so it's LT to aim and RT to shoot) felt pretty good- easily as good as the way I remember the original playing. Is there some kind of sensitivity/lag issue?

A No Mercy port with online play would bring about world peace

@silkmonkey

Ай бұрын

Dig dig dig, diggity dog

@BurritoKingdom

Ай бұрын

There are a ton of no mercy mods that have updated the roster

@sawyeratkinson

Ай бұрын

​@@silkmonkey_Sock-o_

@TurnaboutAdam

Ай бұрын

AEW fight forever is basically that.

@Quotenjugendlicher

Ай бұрын

That needs to be Virtual Pro Wrestling 2 instead. That should be made into the 3D pro wrestling sandbox for PC we should have gotten ages ago but unfortunately WSX still isn't good (and Fire Pro also dropped the ball on it, but that is 2D).

Can't wait for the RT release

My personal pick would be the original Paper Mario. This is the coolest thing I’ve seen in a while, can’t wait for what the future will bring with this.

Blast Corps without gigantic slowdown is goint to be rad.

I’m just here for the “Auf wiedersehen” 😂

Starfox 64 and Blast Corps are the most appealing out of everything I haven't seen.

@MizuhoChan

Ай бұрын

Definitely those, plus maybe pilotwings or rogue squadron.

between the game itself, starting the vid with the mario kart block sound, and busting out winamp, you really hit me in the nostalgia today. love it

800x600 !!! lol. I remember being like 9 and bragging to my friends that the PS2 would do 480p, I barely had any idea of what that even meant

@Joostinonline

Ай бұрын

And we were all running at 480i because almost nobody had component cables back then lol.

@aboveaveragebayleaf9216

Ай бұрын

​@@Joostinonlinealso because the tvs were all crt, and they were naturally interlaced

@MicahtheDrumCorpsPseudoboomer

Ай бұрын

@@aboveaveragebayleaf9216except for PC CRTs

@ahums16

Ай бұрын

​@@fulmarmusic1413Are you seriously lamenting this or is this some /r/ sarcasm?

@UberDarkGuardian

Ай бұрын

@@fulmarmusic1413I…. Don’t know what to do with this information. I had those cables. Still have them now

That Deck 16 theme at the start though, One of the bestest Soundtrack tunes to date.

Hopefully we get recompiled Psone and PS2 games, imagine playing native pc ports of the ridge racer games and Gran Turismo 1 & 2 as well

@keetiv

Ай бұрын

We’ve already got Jak & Daxter and Jak II. Jak III is on the way. I highly recommend playing those gems on PC!

@Newgodofwar

Ай бұрын

Riiiidge raceeeer! Remember that one?

@gonschor7dleven

Ай бұрын

@@keetiv Those are native, decompiled ports, but yes, they are the definitive ways to play them.

@BIaziken2

Ай бұрын

Emulation for those consoles is a lot better so I don't know if anyone will feel it's necessary.

@briggsg

Ай бұрын

@@BIaziken2 ye, but those consoles had some major issues - ps1: no floating point, ps2: antialiasing (or whatever that blur is). And still many games require a lot of emulator options tweaking. If not all of them (for high res, good quality and speed, widescreen). I'd like to see some arcade games recompiled. Winning Run still doesn't have decent emulation. How would it look with some path tracing.

Now i can play Portal64 on my PC! 🙃

@gontsekganyago4079

Ай бұрын

this is the pinnacle

God, I miss late 90's PC culture, and the 90's in general! They have a very distinct "taste" when I try to remember the times. Nostalgia is a helluva drug.

@mesasone2280

Ай бұрын

There's been a wave of Windows 95 inspired lofi mixes that have been popping off for this reason lately.

@cookieface80

Ай бұрын

Been playing Fallout 2 lately, so I agree. I can't say it's nostalgia when the game is only a year younger than I am.

@DavideNastri

Ай бұрын

F@ck smartphones! Golden era when you started your machine and dug in.

@mjoe7561

Ай бұрын

​@@cookieface80 why would that rule out nostalgia?

@cookieface80

Ай бұрын

@@mjoe7561 Well I know you can be nostalgic for something recent, technically, but I just mean that most people tend to think that you only like an old game because you played it as a kid. So I'm fond of the game and I went into it with a modern gamer's perspective.

I can't wait for the GameCube recompilation! It will be a dream to play a native PC port of Twilight Princess, my second favorite Zelda game aside from Majora's Mask!

@Nonantement

Ай бұрын

Are you me? I hold the exact same opinion!

@ivan4087

Ай бұрын

is dolphine emulation of this bad?

@RvEllorquez

Ай бұрын

​@@ivan4087 no. You can literally play the game 4k 60fps.

@ivan4087

Ай бұрын

​@@RvEllorquez why someone need recompilation then?

@Wolfwood2057

Ай бұрын

@@ivan4087 You need a beefy computer to play on dolphin, especially using those settings. A steamdeck will absolutely not do those settings and not and have lag issues.

11:48 makes me extremely happy. literally looking the video on a deck right now

i already know how much fun alex had making this video

Nice video and delightful narration from Alex. Keen to see these games with texture packs and ray tracing. Especially Wave Race at high frame rates.

We need Wave Race 64 in widescreen, 60fps and RT!!

@ivan4087

Ай бұрын

and remastered on unreal 6 engine

Been playing this to almost completion and it made me fall in love with the game all over again. Playing it at such smooth 120fps and Hi-Res honestly feels like a fever dream. I'm excited to revisit many other N64 games this way.

@IncognitoActivado

Ай бұрын

Hi-Res? Whatever you say, eye-candy fanboy.

@Galespark234

Ай бұрын

@@IncognitoActivado huh

@bocelott

9 күн бұрын

@@IncognitoActivado lmao what

@IncognitoActivado

8 күн бұрын

@@bocelott What I said.

Future N64 games that deserve this treatment: * Buck Bumble * Body Harvest * Super Smash Bros * Rare era 3D platformers including Banjo Kazooie, Banjo Tooie, DK64 and Conkers Bad Fur Day. * Star Fox 64 with a level select QOL feature

I would love to play Jet Force Gemini in 4k. That would just be such a treat. This project looks amazing and i cant wait to try it. Thanks for taking the time to share it because i doubt id have heard about it otherwise

@StarRain6

Ай бұрын

i wanted JFG in 60fps for about a million years now, please let it come true!

@prodyg

Ай бұрын

Play the Rare replay version then

@El-Duderino-His-Dudeness

Ай бұрын

@@prodyg I don't think Rare Replay is 60fps. The controls aren't really much better either. It feels terrible to play, really bad input lag and deadzone configuration. Fingers crossed it gets Mario 64/Ocarina of Time style PC port by fans way more diehard than me.

@v1kt0u5

Ай бұрын

aaand at 120fps, buuut with a nice CRT filter like Slang shaders.

@Ast0rga

Ай бұрын

And modern FPS controls, since we have to admit we are already used and spoiled to them.

Your demo shots highlight something I've never noticed in the retro resolution discussion: it looks like the LOD of zooming out is used as a kind of camera lens focus shift. Like your eyes are drawn away from the clock tower in the center and to Link on the right when zoomed out and at low resolution, but with high resolution the clock remains the focal point of the frame. I don't think many games used this limitation so carefully, but it is interesting to see.

I find it so great that you cover these things on Digital Foundry! This is exactly what people need to know about, thank you.

ive been watching your crysis videos again recently and your retro videos of old console games on beast pc's at the time.... these videos are stellar when you play a retro game highly modified. Its cool to see an old game we all used to play get an extreme face lift

I played Majora's Mask yesterday like this. Utter perfection.

@matpit5136

Ай бұрын

I wonder if it is possible to increase polygon counts and add HD textures using AI?

@Nonantement

Ай бұрын

@@matpit5136 No need for AI, both of these things will be done.

Companies dream of hiring this kind of talent. Imagine Nintendo did this level of effort when it came to running their old N64 games on the Switch. This is the very best this game has every looked, not even at Nintendo head-quarters has this game looked this good.

@richr161

Ай бұрын

Didn't they remaster and make it 30fps on the 3ds. Those were pretty good.

@homiedclown

Ай бұрын

I can't wait for someone to port these recompilations for the Switch. I have the Ship of Harkinian Ocarina of Time port, and the Super Mario 64 port on the Switch, and they both play and look great.

@johnclark926

Ай бұрын

Curiously, Nintendo themselves do some static recompilation of their own, but only for certain Wii rereleases. The SMAS version of Super Mario Galaxy is notable for being the first instance of this “hybrid emulation” where the source code runs natively on the CPU but the graphics and sound are handled by their Hagi emulator, similar to how N64Recomp games will leverage RT64 for the graphics rendering and enhancements. The Pikmin 1+2 rereleases also employed this method as they were built off of the New Play Control! versions rather than the GameCube originals. I believe Nintendo’s main purpose for using static recompilation is for the insane performance saving (I tested out Zelda 64 on my awful free Lenovo laptop and it managed to hit 1080p60fps without a GPU!), but I’m not sure why they aren’t employing it in place of their other standalone emulated rereleases. Super Mario Sunshine and especially Super Mario 64 could have benefited from hybrid emulation rather than full. Even NES games stand to gain unique benefits from static recompilation; for example, the first Mega Man Legacy Collection was able to add a neat extra mode for the games that would be nearly impossible with traditional emulation.

@SearedBooks

Ай бұрын

​@@richr161 The OOT remaster was great. MM is more of a mixed bag. I didn't have any great issues with it, but it could trip up somebody used to the N64 version.

@Skylancer727

Ай бұрын

@@richr161 That was mostly just a texture swap and model upgraded version. The 3DS was also the same resolution as the N64 version. It looked a bit better, but not this much better. Plus those same models and textures could be ported into this version if they want to.

9:55 Damn aint that a blast from the past! That Winamp Skin / UI definitely brings back memories.

Awesome coverage of awesome work!

Got it running at 90fps on the steamdeck oled. Just made the greatest game of all time even greater. Bliss

@killval849

Ай бұрын

oh man, that's ALWAYS my first instinct as well, get it on my steam deck! That's sick that you got it to work.

@phos4usredeemer

Ай бұрын

There a tutorial for this?

@MathOwz

Ай бұрын

@@phos4usredeemer there's a channel called Hi-tech Lo-life he has a guide. It's not the one I used but it's the same process by the looks of it

@phos4usredeemer

Ай бұрын

@@MathOwz thank you!

@MathOwz

Ай бұрын

@@phos4usredeemer no worries pal. Hope you have fun with it. It's genuinely a game changer.

Bomberman Hero and Mystical Ninja Starring Goemon would be awesome with this treatment

This is amazing. I can't wait for more ports to come out.

Amazing video, you should do one about Ship of Harkinian, and the consecuent comparison between the 2 efforts!

Great timing. I finished Minish Cap for the first time today and I've never played Majora's Mask.

@GugureSux

Ай бұрын

Oh boy, you are in for a ride, I tell you that!

@FGTRTD24

Ай бұрын

You’re in for a treat.

Wow this is neat. I woudn't mind having Conker's Bad Fur Day like this as it definitely helps with aiming in game. Love that game.

This is incredible, and I can't wait to see where this goes in the future. Also, that Winamp cameo had me reeling. 😱

kudos on mentioning resolution effecting presentation. it's personal taste, per game, but in general i find a *small* bump combined with the right crt filter looks incredible.

Can't wait to see someone take this and port it to Android to have it run on those handhelds such as Anbernic and Retroid the same way SM64 Port and Ship of Harkinian already have done. As for what games should be done next... I think gettin' Jiggy with it and exploring Spiral Mountain is an inevitable one people will want..

It's good that stuff like this gets younger people to try out old games.

@karehaqt

Ай бұрын

This is to hard for todays gamers, it doesn't hold your hand at every step of the way.

@Nigel222

Ай бұрын

@@karehaqt It's not really a particularly hard game.

@beesmongeese2978

Ай бұрын

@@Nigel222 Ohh you'd be surprised. Game sites are flooded with people taking a picture of their screen with their phone and asking a vague question with no question mark like "how do I get past this thing"

@hameed

Ай бұрын

@@karehaqtcringe

@karehaqt

Ай бұрын

@@hameed Can't you modern gamers come up with better insults than that?

@11:21 I had a similar glitch happen, but it occurred when I was playing a music *.flac file. Totally random and out of nowhere. The song stuttered in the exact manner as the audio in this part of the video. After that incident, I noticed such glitches randomly occuring with increased frequency. It got to the point where my computer froze and then when I rebooted it, the OS failed to load. A lot of troubleshooting narrowed the possibilities down. A faulty SATA cable was the culprit. Luckily simply changing the cable rectified everything. These days with M.2 SSDs this isn't much of a problem, but for those still using SATA connections, keep this in mind. Most SATA cables on the market are of extremely low quality. Another possibility could be faulty thermals. One of my friends had freezes and crashes that had begun to occur with increasing frequency and he performed all diagnostics such as scan disk and SFC, etc. It was finally found out that his processor was overheating. The thermal compound was completely gone and his CPU fan was working overtime to keep temperatures down (his PC is more than a decade old). Applying thermal paste to the CPU solved his problem (as well as cleaning the dust from the CPU fan). His PC now no longer hangs and the fans are quiet when the computer isn't under intensive CPU load and the computer runs for hours on end without crashing as it previously did. Or it could have just been a random glitch in this particular instance in this video. I haven't played the recomp so I can't comment, but I have played the original Majora's Mask on PC without encountering that error.

Wow, incredible, I have no idea how I haven't heard of this already but thanks for the heads up. I was just literally thinking about replaying this again, and I was very strongly considering finishing my playthrough of the remaster on 3ds that I never finished years ago. Now though, I'll definitely play it this way!

I literally played OoT with Ship of Harkanian for the first time on my steam deck last night. Holy cow this is a game changer with higher resolution, texture and frame rate.

I've been playing it in 32:9 at 240fps, and it's glorious! I'm so happy that the first game to get this treatment is also my favorite game on the N64. I'm already attempting the 3 day challenge. Although I'm a bit rusty, since I haven't attempted it in quite a few years. The QoL improvements for the Ocarina and the transformation masks are fantastic, and make the whole experience that much better. I love it so much 😍

I smiled when I saw the very small blue gap in South Clock Town on the ramps heading up and around the Clock Tower towards North. I love its accurate inaccuracy! :D

The nostalgia overload at the beginning was glorious. I've only ever played this game on an emulator that kept the original framerate albeit at high res. Can't wait to dig into this

OMG I need this for Blast Corps, Wave Race and Pilotwings!!

I'm not the first to say this but it is pretty funny that N64 emulation has been so bad for so long that the new meta is to just go around emulation and convert the games into native PC ports. It took longer but the result is better overall so it's a win in my book.

@bb010g

Ай бұрын

this is still pretty similar to emulation. the "recompilation" part is turning the original machine code into just enough portable code to emulate that. the project uses emulators like ares as a reference to make sure it's acting the way a N64 would. performance benefits & some flexibility come from this recompilation being static, as opposed to the dynamic recompilation you'll normally see in emulator JITs.

@MechanicaMenace

Ай бұрын

​​@@bb010gnot really. It's more like a mix between a port and Wine/Proton. A lot less overhead than an emulator even if the emu is using a dynarec and/or JIT.

@bb010g

Ай бұрын

@@MechanicaMenace mind the names you're using there though-"dynamic (re)compilation", "just in time compilation". these are translating machine code (most often the artifact of a private compilation phase) for the emulated system and *dynamically* (re)compiling that for the host system to reproduce the emulated system's behavior when interpreted. static recompilation (or "ahead of time compilation", a term you may have heard in reference to Android's recompilation of Dalvik bytecode) is that but at an earlier time. Wine & Proton are support libraries for emulating the original behavior of artifacts while directly interpreting the original artifacts. my point is that "emulation" doesn't require the overhead of naive interpretation of foreign code, or the overhead & bookkeeping of JIT compilation. these are methods to achieve the goal of emulation. static compilation is another method.

@MechanicaMenace

Ай бұрын

@@bb010g there's no emulation in Wine (well unless you're not running on x86 but the emu still isn't part of Wine), the clue is in the name. It's a bunch of translation layers. And whether it's a dynarec or JIT they still have overhead that something like this doesn't. Compiling to efficient machine code isn't computationally cheap and it's a multi pass process so emulators that aren't just interpreting avoid a lot of optimisations too. And they're still occasionally running something like an interpretation step so they can (just in time or dynamically) compile the results. Don't get me wrong emulators are great, I use many and have written a couple, and they aren't going to get totally replaced by stuff like this even in the long run. Some of us really care about ancient hardware. But they do not work the same as this. Some of the same steps? Yes, but in a different order and at different times. And if you only care about the software? This will let the games run at the intended framerate and resolution on lower end hardware and it will be easier to add patches to improve accuracy or add wide-screen support, higher resolution support, high FPS support, etc, etc.

@bb010g

Ай бұрын

@@MechanicaMenace Yes, WINE Is Not an Emulator, but it enables emulation of Windows functionality through linking hacks. that's really similar to what traditional high-level emulation does. my main point is that static recompilation is still a method for emulation. i am not contradicting your performance claims about methods. you're making a host system behave like a guest system to the payload. that's emulation. I'd hesitate to call all static recompilations ports because "port" implies a higher level of decompilation than what occurs here, in the same way i wouldn't normally call an emulator running a payload a "port", even if the emulator only runs the one payload. Ship of Harkinian is a proper port. sm64-port is a proper port. OpenMW is a proper port. the PC build of Pikmin that Nintendo accidentally shipped is a proper port.

This fills me with so much joy!

man i've been so in love with this recomp and just can't wait for it to support randomizers so i can play it a ton more top of my wishlist aside from the zeldas are recomps of paper mario, kirby 64, smash 64, star fox 64, and goldeneye!

We need the banjo games recompiled ASAP

The Winamp.... I can't...

@nkw1985

Ай бұрын

I was just thinking wow I hadn't seen Winamp since I used to burn CDs in like 2000 lol.

@szeltovivarsydroxan9944

Ай бұрын

I have been installing Winamp on every new laptop I buy. And I still use the old school skin. There is no reason you couldn't.

@japzone

Ай бұрын

Winamp is going open source later this year apparently.

@Criticmasterz

Ай бұрын

Oh it is ​@@japzone

@MysticMage255

Ай бұрын

Winamp will always hold a special place in my heart and is absolutely nostalgic. However, Foobar2000 is where it's at!

what amazing work and an absolutely transformative project! Here's to all the developers you made this possible!!! Great video too Alex as always!!! Lets get some BATTLE TANX next and maybe some online multiplayer too haha cant wait!!! So cool that they are basically there on independent pc port after this process is applied! mind blowing!!!!

Great video, Alex. I consider the Stellar Blade controversy settled with this ;)

Nintendo ninja squad just began circling around Alex's house

@BurritoKingdom

Ай бұрын

Yeah. I'm worried about the project now.

@karehaqt

Ай бұрын

@@BurritoKingdom For what reason, it contains no Nintendo code or assets. You have to dump your legitimately owned cartridge to a ROM and point the software to it. Nintendo hasn't gone after any of the other decomplication projects such as Mario 64 and Ocarina of Time for the same reasons.

@TheForsaken30

Ай бұрын

​@karehaqt you clearly underestimate Nintendo's overly aggressive legal team.

@offspringfan89

Ай бұрын

@@karehaqt Nintendo knows they have no legal grounds, but they also know they don't need to be right. They just need to keep harrassing defendants in courts, knowing they can't afford legal costs for much long.

@karehaqt

Ай бұрын

@@offspringfan89 If they were bothered then they would have gone after the Mario 64 decomp which came out in 2019 and is still on Github. Stop making mountains out of molehills.

Perhaps Rogue Squadron or Shadows of the Empire would be an interesting test for this technology. What a wonderful time to be online. That said, the more reporting I see on this topic, the more scared I am that the ninjas will come in and ruin it for everyone.

@EspenSGX

Ай бұрын

Rogue Squadron already has a PC version. Shadows of the Empire though...

Damn this is good. The opportunities are exciting!

The glitch and audio hiccup you experienced seem related to network adapters on Windows. If you have both a PCI Ethernet adapter and one on your motherboard, disable the latter.

This is indeed a momentous occasion for the emulation community. Can't wait to see how this develops, platform-wise and catalog-wise. One thing I hope this project can do soon is support for Slang shaders, because those have some amazing CRT emulation. As for which game is like to see most: "Silent Hill 1" (if this progresses towards more systems) or Mario Kart 64 and Conker.

@rockapartie

Ай бұрын

You can use ReShade with the Zelda recomp right now. I know it has CRT-Royale, but I'm sure there are others. As for Silent Hill: Of course, I wish there was a port, but it already works amazingly well in Duckstation - as long as you don't use True Color Rendering, because it disables dithering, which this game heavily relies on, especially during night out on the streets. (Use _scaled dithering_ if you've increased the internal rendering resolution.) PGXP gets rid of most of the wobbling, warping and Z-fighting. Steady 30 fps requires overclocking the emulated Playstation to ca. 150%. Duckstation comes with optional cheats for widescreen and 60 fps (requires further overclocking, I'm using 500% which seems to work well.)

@Nonantement

Ай бұрын

@@rockapartie Commenting so I take into account your recommendations when I get back on Duckstation.

@Myako

Ай бұрын

@@rockapartie I saw that, but thanks! 💪🏻 Thing is, for whatever reason I don't like the idea of an external program for doing stuff like this. I prefer standalone, portable things. In this case, the shaders themselves.

@rockapartie

Ай бұрын

@@Myako Reshade is somewhat portable, the DLLs and shaders are copied to the game's folder and the shader settings are configured in the overlay, no extra exe you'd have to start before running a game after the initial install.

Lovely video Alex, cheers sir!

incredible tech, genius stuff!!

So amazing, thanks for sharing, Alex. Might have to get back into N64 emulation, seems like we are on the cusp of a new golden age!

The 32 and 64 bit era is when game programming shifted from Assembly (8 and 16 bit games) to C. 8 bit and some 16 bit hardware was too low on memory to even compile C code so it was all Assembly. What an era. RIP Dennis Ritchie. Most people don't even know who he was or his immense influence from the 90s to modern day software. If you ask the avg Joe and all he knows is Steve Jobs or Gates who are nowhere close to the impact that Dennis Ritchie made in tech not just in games but IoT devices (smartphones, smart fridges, etc), elevator controllers, airplane landing/takeoff software, Mars rovers/space shuttle, car software, etc. Who knows how life today would be like without Ritchie's legendary pioneer work

@MegaKiri11

Ай бұрын

You don't need to compile directly on the console. Compile elsewhere and ship the binaries.

@saxoman1

Ай бұрын

@@MegaKiri11 Not sure if what OP said is actually true, but it seems right. If it is, the reason was more likely that C compilers weren't as efficient as a human doing assembly, and back then your code needed to be as efficient as humanly possible given the limited hardware! What developers did in those days were straight up technical miracles!

@JohnDoe11VII

Ай бұрын

Original comment is wrong. Source code, either C or an assembly language is not compiled on the console, it's compiled on your work machine into the instructions/binaries and transferred to the console to run. With the Super Nintendo, games could have been made with C (depends on how much register manipulation was used for performance), with high performance areas being replaced with assembly for performance critical cases. However, industry adaption and change is slow, so Nintendo/Sega probably expected everyone to write assembly code out of tradition. Also, using C adds a layer of conversion with how what you write will actually run on the console. So if you don't have the time to learn what the C compiler is writing, and you are easily hitting ROM size and memory limits, C will only help you make your game easier to port to another console with it's added benefit of being a layer of abstraction. C isn't directly hardware specific. Assembly languages are only CPU specific.

@saxoman1

Ай бұрын

@JohnDoe11VII Indeed! I didn't mean to suggest that the "compiling on the console" part was correct, it definitely wasn't!

Gimmie Mario Golf, baby!

10:01 Winamp. That is a nostalgia blast

Quarter of a century. God I feel old. Love you digital foundry

Whoa winamp. I haven't seen that in over 20 years.

WinAmp? Wow I haven't seen that in a while!!!

Looks absolutely fantastic.

I just tried this out and I absolutely love it! 60FPS is an absolute game changer

Majora’s Mask on PC + Nerrel’s HD Texture Pack ❤❤❤❤

@IncognitoActivado

Ай бұрын

Nope.

This video whips the llama's ass

I can't wait to get my hands on that recompiler.

This was so easy to do wow. This is like magic honestly

I can not wait for every n64 game to be recompiled but mostly banjo kazooie, the xbox emu version just doesn't hold up and been waiting on that decompile version but with recomplile I guess I am waiting on that one as well. But the better thing about this is that if someone want to make a game playable that only they like it isn't going to take 40 years as the more famous games get decompiled first, they have a chance too!

@lpnp9477

Ай бұрын

I think the Xbox version of banjo is pretty good, but I'd like to see it in 60fps+. What I think we absolutely need though is dk64. It doesn't get re released and it's not emulated well. Plus the native performance sucks. Get this up at 90 frames with a switch kongs anywhere mod and I'll have golden bananas falling out of every orifice

Alex and the N64: the love affair continues 😂

This is freaking awesome!

Can't wait for fan full remasters with hires textures + RT

Nightdive-esk N64 remasters at your fingertips. Incredible, i'm extremely excited about this development and can't wait to see what else people port, i'm secretly hoping for Operation Winback since there's always been trouble emulating it and running it at a smooth frame rate would be transformative, i played the PS2 version again last year but there's something about the N64 original. A huge step for preservation.

@jsr734

Ай бұрын

Sadly, this is not preservation as preservation includes preserving the way the original machine worked. In this case you are basically just compiling a brand new game for the PC without presrving the original game and machine´s limitations.

@cikame

Ай бұрын

@@jsr734 I understand, the ultimate form of preservation would be to maintain the original hardware and carts for as long as possible in climate controlled museums, but while that's awesome people are doing that it's not handy for you or me or future generations, keeping a digital library is more important to me so then the next step is how you experience that library. When someone wants to check out Turok in 80 years time maybe the Nightdive remaster will still be available but that's not original and Windows might have broken support by then, so the next most advanced version is a fan made PC port, emulation gets you a bit closer but with drawbacks depending on advancements in 80 years, there are those hardware emulated consoles you can buy but those aren't avaliable to everyone. Creating a source code like this even if it's not a true 100% decompile allows anyone to get these games working on future hardware, it's not original but it is accessible, and in my eyes the more people who have access the better.

60FPS 'Banjo-Kazooie', 'Conker's BFD', or 'Paper Mario 64' (which recently had its decompilation project finished) would be an AMAZING experience on this recompiler thing. Also I just recently watched the Mario 64 RTX video again, and it still feels weird hearing Alex, Mr. PC guy himself, sometimes gloat about an N64 title. Or any Nintendo title for that matter. But ya just love to see it.

@MrSnake9419

Ай бұрын

Unfortunately Banjo kazooie decomp has been sitting at the same percentage for over a year

@dapperfan44

Ай бұрын

I'm excited for the possibilities of N64 and PS1 as well. Someone has done a wide-screen and 60 FPS mod of the original CTR, which makes it look like it was on the Dreamcast (Like Frogger 2 Dreamcast vs PS1). It's SO good.

@dhgmrz17

Ай бұрын

​@@MrSnake9419 That's why this is big, you don't need a full decompilation. Majora's Mask isn't fully decompilated yet either and they were able to get this up and running.

@MrSnake9419

Ай бұрын

@@dhgmrz17 I know it's so exciting

KI GOLD with arcade sprite, audio, fmv.

Enjoyed the Goron drum and Zora bass.

Not a Nintendo game I know...But can this be done to the original Silent Hill? That game needs it...BADLY.

@1993StrangeBoy

Ай бұрын

There's a PC version of it already afaik, and it runs very well on Duckstation with things like a widescreen patch, 4k and the like

Waiting so hard for the ray tracing version. Already amazing though.

Body Harvest at anything above 5fps would be a treat

I’ve been playing Majora’s Mask in 144 fps at 21:9 and it’s nuts. Feels so good