All I can think about is the programmers notes from the fall of Fortress Accident: “the artists will be alright, and the programmers of course, they’re programmers. But the writers? They’re fucked.”

@helmepodesarius2198

Жыл бұрын

AI art will replace humans.

@kyleleehufnagel

Жыл бұрын

@@helmepodesarius2198 well, no it won’t. It will destroy commissioned pictures but it can’t create art

@zedc6072

Жыл бұрын

Not if it still looks like shit

@Trynt33

Жыл бұрын

@@CompagnonDeMisere25 Just like in the 4chan threads

@Trynt33

Жыл бұрын

@@helmepodesarius2198 What's that got to do with AI art? You should've said AI Dungeon or NovelAI smh

Mr. Evrart is helping me fund my game.

@toom_moot

Жыл бұрын

Mr. Evrart is helping me fund my game!

@danieln6613

Жыл бұрын

Mr. Evrart is helping him fund his game.

@LieseFury

Жыл бұрын

Mr. Evrart is helping me fund my game.

@andrewstewart1464

Жыл бұрын

Mr. Evrart is helping me fund my game.

@thelaughingrouge

Жыл бұрын

Mr. Evrart is helping me fund my game.

The kicker is that the statement Za/um put out afterward sounds like it came straight out of the Sunday Friend’s mouth.

Imagine losing work you spent almost 20 years on because some leeches in business suits REALLY want that potential Fortnite money later when they could get good money right now by letting the studio do it's thing, not realising that live service enjoyers won't know what Disco Elysium is so they'll keep playing their GaaS of choice, and the people who do know what Disco Elysium is hate your guts now and will boycott your product. And when the studio inevitably crashes and burns the leech men from Resident Evil 0 who ran the company will learn nothing and blame the people lower on the totem pole for not listening to marketing research because God forbid they admit fault for once. That's Disco baby.

@amishrambo4096

Жыл бұрын

Suits and their mass graves filled with cut open golden geese

@originalscreenname44

Жыл бұрын

The worst part is those corpo leeches have history on their side. Blizzard and BioWare are companies that were held in high regard, sold to vampiric corporations, and even after the people responsible for their reputation left and the quality of their product dipped dramatically people still kept buying. These guys are playing the numbers game as they always do to see how much they can get away with for as little as possible and are calculating how many customers they'll lose in those numbers. The only thing that gives them pause is for those calculations to be completely wrong. Now Disco Elysium is more of a critical darling game with a smaller audience compared to the output of BioWare or Blizzard, that doesn't mean people won't give it a shot. Even if people who are angry just buy the game to see how it is with the regime change, it doesn't matter to the numbers. A sale is a sale no matter the intent.

@kapkant6197

Жыл бұрын

@@amishrambo4096 It's baffling to me because despite what some people may think, GaaS titles can absolutely have passion and artistry put into them even with suits breathing down their necks, basically this isn't coming from an inherent hatred of GaaS titles, I play like 4 of them regularly and my username is based off a Rainbow Six Siege character (a GaaS title) but I just don't feel like this hypothetical "Disco Elysium: Infinite" is gonna have any kind of artistry to it. When even Call of Duty can inject personality and fun into their games but you probably can't, you probably shouldn't make a GaaS title.

@kapkant6197

Жыл бұрын

@@originalscreenname44 It sucks yeah. But I still feel like this will not work for them. Blizzard and these other companies make world famous AAA titles meaning no matter what there will be hangers on. It feels like the 360 era "we need the Call of Duty audience" thing again, not realising that CoD players (like me) aren't gonna buy Spec Ops: The Line for its multiplayer that rips off the exact CoD formula, they are gonna keep playing Call of Duty.

@k.-flynn

Жыл бұрын

@@amishrambo4096 golden geese? We've got suits with mass graves of real human beings and still no change.

And this boys and girls, is why owning your own IP rights is the single most important thing to include in any contract.

@Michael-bn1oi

Жыл бұрын

Sadly it's also the #1 thing to make a producer walk away so you game never sees the light of day. Horrible practice, but it do be that way.

@anonymous71207

Жыл бұрын

who's to say the game would get made if they enforced that? I'm not arguing in favor of the corpos here, absolutely not, but considering how lucky it was that we got DE at all, I'm not sure there was anything they could've done differently... unless they made a worse game, I guess?

@kyleleehufnagel

Жыл бұрын

Actually it’s the business snakes who are at fault for doing it. I know peasant mindset makes us presume that “it’s our fault the worms took something that wasn’t rightfully theirs” but actually it’s the worms fault for taking it. They are humans, not inevitable natural disasters.

@untitled4525

Жыл бұрын

They long admitted to get the game out they had to make a deal with the devil. The devil wasn’t knocking then, but they knew it was coming.

@miguelnewmexico8641

Жыл бұрын

so you're saying Sylvester Stallone is doing the right thing?

You do hate to see them go out like this, or at all, but it is kinda poetic that at least in the death of their company, they proved their point.

@nooneinparticular5273

Жыл бұрын

@Justahuman Same... same.

@DR3ADER1

Жыл бұрын

The only point they proved was that they SUCK at managing anything. I was viewing the comments section of one of KiraTV's videos, and one of the users mentioned how mentally fragile and deranged some indie developers are. The collapse of ZA/UM is just another example of this trend of indies not knowing what the fuck they're doing, and blaming others for their faults at basic management, they're no different to the corporate leeches who kicked them out of the company in the first place.

@nooneinparticular5273

Жыл бұрын

@@DR3ADER1 Oh, some random comment on KiraTV said it? Well damn, it must be true then.

@DR3ADER1

Жыл бұрын

@@nooneinparticular5273 A comment you couldn't be arsed to find out for yourself. Again, the truth comes from all sources, not just one.

@nooneinparticular5273

Жыл бұрын

@@DR3ADER1 Man, "The truth comes from all sources" you read one (1) unverifiable, unsubstantiated KZread comment and took it as gospel. You're not an expert, you're gullible. And of course I didn't go find it myself. Why would I go trawl through every comment on a channel I don't watch and do not care about to, again, find one single unverifiable, unsubstantiated KZread comment. "How mentally fragile and deranged some indie developers are." Do you know how ridiculous that sounds? That is a nothing phrase. It means nothing. There is no way to quantify it. What? Did that single KZread commenter do an entire peer reviewed study on all the countless and diverse different indie devs in the world? They wrote some stuff you liked, it suited your pre-conceived notions because I get the impression you just irrationally hate indie devs and you decided that one single KZread comment was the answer. You're just bootlicking the people who bought out and killed the company.

i have seldom seen something devalue itself as instantaneously as Disco Elysium 2

@Rincewindus

Жыл бұрын

Considering all evidence is that Kurvitz still has the rights, that's not true at all.

@tulthau8380

Жыл бұрын

@@Rincewindus can you give a source that he has the rights to DE?

@phantam23

Жыл бұрын

@@tulthau8380 Disco Elysium is set in the same setting as Kurvitz book Sacred and Terrible Air. There's no firm sources but he published it well before founding ZA/UM and should still have the rights to the universe as a whole.

@thelaughingrouge

Жыл бұрын

@@phantam23 "Should" have the rights is not "Does" have the rights. Especially in late stage capitalism.

@judeofford

Жыл бұрын

People have dug up that Kurvitz is pursuing a lawsuit against ZA/UM, so it is very possible he could get the rights back.

As Joyce says...Capital has the ability to subsume all critiques into itself. Even those who would *critique* capital end up *reinforcing* it instead...

@k.-flynn

Жыл бұрын

Do your part! When someone asks how they should play this game, pirate the fuck out of it!

@ragnar3434

Жыл бұрын

For more info, see Mark Fisher's book on capitalist realism, which popularized this idea. It's short.

@cyberninjazero5659

Жыл бұрын

@@ragnar3434 Future Status: Cancelled

@evinbraley

Жыл бұрын

You know for a fact that if/when Disco 2 is announced, this quote is gonna be spammed in the comments section. Just like the LOTR Rings of Power comments section.

@TheSergio1021

Жыл бұрын

So like China?

You know what's pretty Disco? Pirates. Pirates, are pretty fuckin' Disco... _Yar har fiddle dee dee~_

@miguelnewmexico8641

Жыл бұрын

cute.

I’m glad they got to stand on that stage, and hold the heavy statue thing

@nananamamana3591

Жыл бұрын

Im also happy they got to stand up and hold a thing That's how you know you've made it

@sauviel6296

Жыл бұрын

​@@nananamamana3591 that yellow shiny thing

I can't believe the producers of Disco Elysium just announced that the game and all related merchandise are free forever.

that Amazon Disco Elysium TV series is going to be literal salt on the wound

@TheSergio1021

Жыл бұрын

How you like that Rings of Power?

@manticorephoenix

Жыл бұрын

@@TheSergio1021 or The Boys?

@fernandozavaletabustos205

Жыл бұрын

@@manticorephoenix What is wrong with The Boys?

@Loryuo

Жыл бұрын

@@fernandozavaletabustos205 that's what i want to know, cause it can't be that it's not as good as the comic books, cause that shit sucks

@Rebazar

Жыл бұрын

inb4 it's sub-Utopia remake levels of quality

There are two outcomes for the creator and writers in this situation. Either we see the creator or writers become the living embodiment of the Green Goblin or Legion of Doom or they are about to write/create the most hardest best written piece of fiction we have ever seen in our lifetime

@music79075

Жыл бұрын

Or the third, they fade into obscurity and crippling alcoholism which is the good end.

@cyberninjazero5659

Жыл бұрын

@@music79075 Disco: Become Harry

@phantomgoblin5540

Жыл бұрын

@@music79075We got The funny ending, the neutral ending and the funniest ending of them all alcoholism

@miguelnewmexico8641

Жыл бұрын

@Simple Barghest you really took that comment at face value and thought you made a point. funny.

@pareidolist

Жыл бұрын

"Hey, remember that time we made a video game? That was wild. Anyway..."

Woolie completely forgot the way you get the shares from ultra rich lightbending guy to get the massive boost to your networth. You convince Cindy to sell you some BS art for cheap which you then sell to the lightbending guy for shares in his company. The metaphor here is deeper than the Mariana trench

On the bright side, Harry for Smash has NEVER been more likely than it is right now.

@bomberharris8439

Жыл бұрын

His side B is a roundhouse kick

@nananamamana3591

Жыл бұрын

For his neutral special, Harry wields, a gun! _when he can find it..._

@thelaughingrouge

Жыл бұрын

Mr. Sakurai is helping me find my gun.

@steve7613

Жыл бұрын

@@thelaughingrouge Mr. Sakurai is helping me find my gun

@brandonmorel2658

Жыл бұрын

Reference x thing, reference y thing = get social capital

There's some hope. Luiga, a key figure in the cultural association has stated that they were all dismissed on false premises, and in November, Kurvitz is suing Zaum for documents and information (which implies they're blocking him from accessing them as he /is/ a shareholder in Zaum too, which also means there's almost certainly a breach of contract that they don't want someone seeing). Don't want to get hopes up too much but it could be the first step in a larger case.

@zedc6072

Жыл бұрын

Here’s hoping something good comes out of that

Woolie’s casually saying corpo now

@cyberninjazero5659

Жыл бұрын

Watching Edgerunner will do that

@jacobcordova3825

Жыл бұрын

@@cyberninjazero5659 feels right and easy to say for those hollow suits

@RavenCloak13

Жыл бұрын

Because it's correct.

@TheSergio1021

Жыл бұрын

If only he actually played CP 2077

@Broomer52

Жыл бұрын

It feels right. It’s a much easier term than saying “companies” or “money mongers” you say Corpo, it’s short, sweet catchy and everyone knows what you mean.

Look how they massacred my boy.

For one singular moment there was hope

Well at least they left a perfect touchstone.

@Personell101

Жыл бұрын

The real touchstone will be seeing everyone compare Disco to its sequel. I can already smell the video essayists salivating

@cokeMONSTERps3

Жыл бұрын

@@Personell101 Might as well just release them now. I can hear exactly every talking point.

@fishbiter9409

Жыл бұрын

@@Personell101 Yeah, I can't wait to see people trying to compare DE to its sequel, which will be a first person shooter with competitive multiplayer.

The only thing I hope for is that Disco Elysium ends up paving the way so that more of the collective's works are able to get exported outside of Estonia because I would definitely be interested in delving into it. Even if the original novel that the setting was first established in was to get adapted into English in some way I'd be excited. It's really a shameful situation for them to lose their control over the game.

I'm sorry Woolie

I can't wait until Beardless Harry and Pissflaubert Jacket Kim become 4.99 skins in three years in the soulless iteration they'll dole out by then

@nananamamana3591

Жыл бұрын

Catch them in Fortnight's new battle pass! Look, there goes Harry, hitting that toinky loinky like your favorite streamer haha epic! Only 69.99!

The only thing that makes this news worse is hearing Pat and Woolie try to say the word "zine"

@andrewericdavison

Жыл бұрын

For reeeeeeal hahah

@Dabednego

20 күн бұрын

I feel the opposite of “Shazzenfroyd” for you

can't believe that za/um's writers got colonized

@Sercotani

Жыл бұрын

*G E K O L O N I S E E R D*

"Failure. Its about failure. Abject failure. Total, irreversible defeat on all fronts! Absolutely vanquished, beaten, curb-stomped and pissed on."

"Are women the burgeoise?" ....Just give me a minute to explain.

@miguelnewmexico8641

Жыл бұрын

women are the patriarchy.

@willadkins1354

Жыл бұрын

I mean, some of them are. Even full on feminists can be corpos.

@emperortgp2424

Жыл бұрын

kind of, is mindless consumerism burgeoise?

Thank u ZA/UM thank u for giving me and thousands of people in the world, this awesome game about regret, buff racist man, redemption and disco. May u rest easy.

I so badly want to read Kurvitz's DE prequel novel. Sacred and Terrible Air is in the same universe and everything

@yareyarejose5080

Жыл бұрын

i heard somewhere that it actually was fully translated into english and it's just picking up dust by this point

The flame that burns twice as bright burns half as long.

I have to say that it’s poetic that this group of people found each other dropped one of the best games of history and then collapse

Just finished Disco Elysium only a few weeks ago and thoroughly enjoyed it. Needless to say, this fuckin' sucks, man.

@hugehuman1

Жыл бұрын

Same here, the timing is extra rough.

2:07 - Pat, I am pretty sure it's meant to be pronounced "fan ZEEN" - as in "magazine".

@miguelnewmexico8641

Жыл бұрын

Pat is from Canada. they don't even know what punk rock is.

@jakejutras5420

Жыл бұрын

@@miguelnewmexico8641 wtf does that even mean?

@jakesommer3914

Жыл бұрын

@@jakejutras5420 Get outta here, before I scare you away with devil horns and backwards music!

@qazimod

Жыл бұрын

had to rewind the first time to know wtf he was saying

@Dabednego

20 күн бұрын

@@miguelnewmexico8641Narduwar does, at least, but he’s a statistical outlier

At first I thought fortress accident was deliberately placed, now it seems to be a wild coincidence. Or knowledge of what was coming

@trickster721

Жыл бұрын

It was about their first game project that was cancelled for being overly ambitious.

@kyleleehufnagel

Жыл бұрын

@@trickster721 I think it was actually an amalgam of the programmers previous experience with game development and actually the original pitch meetings for Disco Elysium. The game itself has dozens different characters, a narrator, and 24 skills. I believe they originally wanted the entire game to be voiced, similar to the Final Cut, but also have all 24 skills to be voiced by different actors (kinda like how shivers occasionally has VA in a unique voice.) That resonates with the “Valley of the Heads” anecdote in the Fortress Accident notes.

@PlanetaryPluto

Жыл бұрын

@@kyleleehufnagel That would've been beautiful! Ugh. But 24 more unique VA's sounds like a lot and they've already given us so much.

@astrobstrd

Жыл бұрын

Fortress Accident is DEFINITELY inspired by experiences with game dev, the realities of capitalism and an extremely self-aware facsimile of trying to start a creative endeavor that needs money to function. I would absolutely not say it's a coincidence given that everyone at ZA/UM absolutely knew that this game would itself become a critique of capitalism that is subsumed, just a very realistic understanding of what this whole experience is like with a sardonic flair

It’s a devastating loss and it brings up a lot of questions. Mainly, who owns the rights to the world of a Sacred and Terrible Air? Is that fully under ZA/UM or does Kurvitz still have any ownership over that?

@kyleleehufnagel

Жыл бұрын

Whoever has more political power and capital. The law is a tool used to justify things the capitalists will do regardless of what it says. The spirit of the law will be interpreted to apply to their actions when the letter of the law disagrees and the contorted interpretations of the letter will be used to allow actions contrary to a law’s spirit.

@ericvcod2133

Жыл бұрын

I hope so, watch the interview where Kurvitz talks about the writing in the game. He and his friends build that world since he was a teenager. It's s heartbreaking.

This is why artists need lawyers when dealing with business vampires.

And remember: unless the former devs confirm that they're getting residuals, DO NOT PURCHASE DISCO ELYSIUM OR OFFICIAL DISCO ELYSIUM MERCHANDISE. Follow the writers, support them directly if you're able to, and if you really want to introduce a friend to DE... ⛵⛵⛵

@talynhastime9343

Жыл бұрын

Pirate or buy things made by fan artists. It is always morally correct.

@thelaughingrouge

Жыл бұрын

@@talynhastime9343 well, not always... but the difference is small enough to be mathematically insignificant.

@jjheroup8288

Жыл бұрын

Or just get it pre owned or used is what i'm doing. While pirating can be an option, people don't seem to understand that pirating can be complicated, especially when its technically illegal. Though i wish it was legal in certain cases.

@wilsonsilva2918

Жыл бұрын

Where can i support the writers?

man that’s fucked, I was hoping for more stuff in the world of disco but it appears I will never get it now.

@hellokittybebop

Жыл бұрын

Theres a book thats in the world of disco Elysium but it's not translated to english

@trickster721

Жыл бұрын

I think the main thing I've learned as I've gotten older is that sequels are basically always a scam.

@IvellScarlett

Жыл бұрын

Oh, we'll get more disco Elysium. It's just that none of the people who are responsible will be working on it. Watch Disco Elysium turn into a soulless franchise only existing to make money.

Despite having this game for over a year, I guess? I just now played it. So, I go to AA, like once every 6 months. I was a hardcore drunk from my experiences in the USMC infantry 20yr ago; 9-11 prompted me to join, I was in the invasion of Iraq, and Fallujah, kicking open doors and clearing houses. I bought this game on a whim. Really, after my visit to AA, since I only came around every 6 months, I would go to the local GameStop and flirt with a girl who works/worked there. I remember seeing The Final Cut, googling it, and was like: good enough, and bought it just to flirt with this broad. The game has sat in my entertainment center, still wrapped in plastic, until earlier this week. I WIKI'd it, and since it was for XBOX ONE, I had to have bought the game sometime, after or around Oct. 12, 2021. I do a lot of dancing, 3-5 times a day, every fucking day, and I just don't play games as much as I used to. But since it's cold outside, here I am. This game impressed me. Not only because I can relate to Harry, being a huge drunk and forgetting how I got where I was whenever I woke up, but also because this game allowed for me to play as a Communist. I am a communist. Yeah, more especially after doing what we did over in Iraq . . . But this game is so fresh, so funny, it felt like it was made just for me. I beat it and immediately wanted to replay it. I googled to see if there was any new modes, like NG+, and then the next day fucking Collage Mode? Collage Mode? Trash. Anyway. Not that any of this matters. I'm just proud of this game, and now it's equally saddening to hear there won't be anything more from them in the future. Cheers, Devs, You made a game so badass that they fired/killed you for it - - That's Messiah status.

@nikolambert314

Жыл бұрын

Any guy who was down on his luck could relate to Harry.

I hate that this seems to happen to every game that does something special and gets on the public's radar, yet Assasin's Creed and Call of Duty still get their regular releases without fail, even when the last one does poorly.

@Trynt33

Жыл бұрын

The value of the marketing dollar

One day I will return to your side.

It’s weird how Pat is portraying the artists and writers as the ones who burned their networking bridges in Estonia when it was other people burning those bridges. And then he goes and blames them for getting ousted from their own company. Naw Pat, those things happened TO them. They got slicked by business snakes and as much as people want to try to blame them for not “protecting themselves;” they didn’t invite it and they didn’t enable it; they just didn’t have every single base and loophole covered from day one, half a decade ago.

@thelaughingrouge

Жыл бұрын

If there's one thing Pat can ABSOLUTELY be counted on for it's shit takes that completely misunderstood the point!

@Lady-V

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, but if you listen to him he doesn't at all sound like he's "blaming" them for being ousted from their own company. To me Pat portrays it like a shitty situation that happens to a lot of people in the games industry.

@Trynt33

Жыл бұрын

@@Lady-V A situation that happens WAY too often

@Lady-V

Жыл бұрын

@@Trynt33 I agree

A great team of programmers and engineers can make a great video game, but it takes a creative individual or two to make a legendary one.

Watch disco 2 just be fallout 4 identically and shivers is a fucking perk

He says it all right there @ 4:40 - "Capital has the ability to subsumse all critiques into itself" and that's all you need to understand when looking at this situation.

Mr Evrart is helping me fund my game

@nikolambert314

Жыл бұрын

Ahaha.

I can't imagine why the creators of ZA/UM would have been pariahs in Estonia. It's not like Estonia had a certain ideology forced upon them for 70 years or anything...

I know the real reason ZA/UM died; Woolie liked Disco Elysium, Simple as that! It's a fundamental law of the universe; he's not allowed to have ANYTHING! not ReBoot, not Titanfall, not even Naruto!

God I hated seeing this story, man what a loss to the industry for fucking nothing.

Dead like Disco has found a new meaning

Is this that "Accelerationism" shit I hear so much about? I remember it used to take a decade or at least 5 years for a franchise to be ruined.

@ultraheaven8968

Жыл бұрын

Yep. I see the future becoming basically (jojo spoilers) What happens with Made in heaven where society and life changes so rapidly due to AI and machine learning that humans are left in the dust

@cyberninjazero5659

Жыл бұрын

@@ultraheaven8968 Disco Elysium 2 Will be an Accelerationism masterpiece but Disco Elysium 3 will be the lucky sequel and grant us 3 post apocalyptic wishes

Don't mourn, organize.

Guess i'm playing Disco tonight.

Mr. Bezos is helping me make my show

Literally colonized the devteam

so the TLDR of this is "OH BOY! I can't wait to see how they are going to disappoint me this time"

Thank you Marx and Engels.

@cthulhuhoops

Жыл бұрын

*gamers applaud*

@Iluvfemb0is

Ай бұрын

the guy who said that was part of the problem

I only recently learned about Disco Elysium, and afterwards its downfall, and yes. They went out in the most disco way I could ever imagine.

This could not have happened any other way, and somehow that’s beautiful.

Game Journos are conditioned by an abusive industry to be like: "It's OK guys, Kirk, Spock, McCoy, Scotty, Uhura, Chekov and Sulu have been discharged by Starfleet... But the Enterprise still has Kyle! They can take on any threat from any hostile forces those other losers could!"

Ready for disco 2 spite edition with and ending sequence where you beat the mega rich light bending guy to death with a money shaped hammer

We shall never have another like Disco Elysium... I feel gutted.

ZA/UM has been renamed Sunday Friend Studio.

The universe has a twisted sense of humor. The first game to really set the bar for games as a medium for political discourse is getting lawyered to death and resurrected with a slot machine on its forehead.

11:44 Christ even as like an 8-9 year old I understood the bosses speech at the end

@heymay724

Жыл бұрын

you underestimate the intelligence of americans

@cyberninjazero5659

Жыл бұрын

@@heymay724 wouldn't it be overestimate?

@heymay724

Жыл бұрын

@@cyberninjazero5659 im american

@cyberninjazero5659

Жыл бұрын

@@heymay724 condolences

@InvadeNormandy

Жыл бұрын

@@heymay724 They are Canadian. Lmfao.

UN JOUR JE SERAI DE RETOUR PRÈS DE TOI

Enjoy the Disco we have you'll never get another game like it

I can't wait for Disco Souls.

I'm replaying the game and just came across this only an hour after watching this video of yours. This game is such an incisive work of art. Surely it will continue to strike a dissonant chord with contemporary issues decades from now. A genre-defining masterpiece yoked to some dude's yachtly aspirations.. Joyce Messier - "Yes -- you and I belong to the supraculture. We're common, the herd. The music on the radio, the food in the chain restaurant -- those are all too *popular* for the girl in the old-lady rags." "She prefers a fantasy world -- an *infraculture* with its own dress code and vernacular. It is an illusion, I'm afraid. There is no refuge from the supraculture." You - "I understand everything. Make it more complicated somehow." Joyce Messier - "I can't. That's how simple it is. One may dye their hair green and wear their grandma's coat all they want. Capital has the ability to subsume all critiques into itself. Even those who would *critique* capital end up *reinforcing* it instead..."

Myself and some people i know are gutted by this news. The game is one of the best and has a remarkable history. It really feels Almost dystopian that this huge artistic AND commercial succes was not enough to be the basis for at least a 2nd game...

I recently went through disco and as woolie said “one of the best games” and it brings my me to tears that this happend

I am absolutely howling at the signature left in the message about dissolution of Creative Association: Martin Luiga Tallinn Inpatient Treatment Centre of Psychiatry Clinic, Ward IX 10/1/2022

Getting a fucking Fortnite ad of all things in the middle of this made me actually mad.

That discussion of the ultra liberal “NFT” quest at 23:45 is amazing

It's like roaches get into everything.

The critique of this situation is even present in Disco Elysium itself! This is so comic, it's tragic

Ultraliberalism is a helluva drug

becoming a man of great wealth IRL is just the stock market

Glad to see that the gaming industry proves once again that we can’t have nice things ever.

That's disco, baby.

If Woolie and Pat are looking for more games criticizing capitalism they need to look at cruelty squad

Lightning in a bottle

I'm not sure, but I feel like they would not get upset if people obtained disco from... "unofficial means" from now on..

I have never seen a game with a more moral imperative to pirate it in my life.

Major grin will soon be making his Picard/discovery edits in the vein of disco elysium, seeing as they will make the exact same mistakes

mfw the money people create Disco Elysium 2 with turn-based combat and 0 communism. Fascism is oddly still included as an ideology though and so is Moralism.

@Iluvfemb0is

Ай бұрын

do you feel bad that moralism is the correct answer and the rest of the ideologies are for losers?

And now there's that dlc which just embodies the disconnect between zaum and the original game

Capitalists deal in commodities, things which are by definition interchangeable and may be produced en masse. This is all they command, and so as with any hierarch, they cannot imagine anything beyond it, beyond their grasp. Just as a property developer may see no issue with paving over a wetland, believing the ecosystem may simply be “rebuilt” at a later date if desired, so it goes with the cut-throats with a knife to the neck of culture. In “Capitalist Realism”, Mark Fisher remarks upon the the general sense of apathy and dread he saw in his university students (mostly millennials). He describes them as a generation whose every taste and affect had been triangulated in advance, standardized, commoditized, and sold back to them before they even knew they wanted it. A generation for whom all culture has been zombified by capital. I’d like to think, in spite of everything that’s happened, Disco Elysium was a thorough rebuttal of that notion.

@brandonmorel2658

Жыл бұрын

How can Elysium and it's creators be above those notions when after all the game is still a product to be sold to the masses. As revolutionary and cool and edgy as it is, the game is still part of the paradigm.

@Squalidarity

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@@brandonmorel2658 Say what you will about DE, but it was absolutely not triangulated to anybody's taste. It exists within capitalism, yes, but its brief existence before its sublimation into the greater marketing mega-machine that is a sign that capital- or power writ large- can never hope to completely conquer culture. That genuine, novel art may yet be made. In the post-Cold War world of No Alternative, recognizing this is a revolutionary act.

A good way to go out, fuck needless sequels, shitty live service business deals, and fuck suits. Simple as that.

Why didn't they make a co-op and try the kickstarter route.

Anyone got a link to that manifesto?

Actual avocation to pirate the game, not a damn thing is gonna be going to the people that made it in any capacity nor will they work on any future games. So literally no reason to give them money.

This is so fucked but I hope the creatives take solace in the fact that they made one of the very best games of all time. Nothing can take that away.

I want a Zin-es about ske-LE-tul figgers.

Where can i read that Manifesto?

We can't have nice things in this for profit world. Side note, on my first blind play through I didn't know what the political quests were, so I internalized the Ultra liberal thought simply because I was desperate for cash. I ended up with more points in Communism than Ultralib and the statue I got was covered in the white flowers and a morning veil. I honestly really liked it.

@brandonmorel2658

Жыл бұрын

It's a cycle of birth and destruction. We live in a profit world and yet Disco Elysium happened and so many other wonderful things, ZAUM the cultural thingie were fired from their studio but that doesn't mean they can't concentrate their creative efforts elsewhere. PS I also went centrist/liberal in my first playthrough and then I realized I got played by Messier and effectively fucked the union and the people that relied on it. Fun Times.

Pirate disco 2.

Can't wait to see Harry in Fortnite. Mr. Sanchez and Ariana Grande are helping me find my battlepass

It sucks it was great to be able to get a game from eastern euro communists that unlike modern progressive stuff had sympathy and a understanding of the world it didn’t really moralize to a great extent if you wanted to be a fascist you could idk the game had a real heart and humanity to it that Is hard to put into words disco elysium is up there with berserk for me for both being my favorite pieces of art/media ever it really inspires me and makes me want to one day hopefully create something as beautiful and emotional as these 2 pieces of media it’s corny but disco elysium and berserk mean a lot to me and to see both go down in the same years has been rough

@k.-flynn

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Damn at least the game had punctuation

@discoinferno701

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@@k.-flynn 👍

@RavenCloak13

Жыл бұрын

@@k.-flynn No it didn't. One of the best scenes was just a stream of consciousness being spouted out.

@k.-flynn

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@@RavenCloak13 ...the game text did literally have punctuation

@Romancesymphony

Жыл бұрын

@@k.-flynn Agree to disagree.

“zeen”