F*** Nintendo

@SRC267

3 ай бұрын

Fine?

@Woobuggy848

3 ай бұрын

Yeah, screw those fun suckers… 😤

@Zinkolo

3 ай бұрын

Can we please make this the top comment?

@VolatileDoor6

3 ай бұрын

Couldn’t agree more

@ModernVintageGamer

3 ай бұрын

@@Zinkolo done

Citra getting caught in the crossfire really hurts.

@Fred-xy9ch

3 ай бұрын

This. I don't really care about Yuzu being taken down since Ryujinx is just as good, but Citra was THE 3DS emulator

@webbedshadow2601

3 ай бұрын

EXACTLY, SCREW THE SWITCH I CARE ABOUT THE 3DS MORE

@pokiblue5870

3 ай бұрын

@@Fred-xy9chi managed to find a reupload of citra files but its in koreans and i dont know how to change the language lol im literally using google Ai translator to translate what my iphone camera is looking at 😂

@shawndasilva

3 ай бұрын

@@pokiblue5870I believe it’s still on the way back which is on the wiki fan page

@xZaibx

3 ай бұрын

Citra was good. Feels bad

If anything, this has ignited a massive spark in the Switch emulation scene. Thousands of people cloned and archived the Yuzu and Citra repos yesterday and many of the support communities saw massive influxes of new users. There's already a 'new' Yuzu repo being setup. Nintendo got $2.4M and temporarily stopped progress of the foremost Switch emulator - nothing more.

@-nomi.-

3 ай бұрын

i could see this even being better for yuzu in the long run as more people share and build off it without a paywall

@ComicCrossing

3 ай бұрын

The idea is to cause emulation devs to think twice about trying to hack and emulate switch 2 day 1.

@error.418

3 ай бұрын

​@@-nomi.- It didn't have a paywall. They had a Patreon with some benefits that were not restricted to the public other than special Discord channels to chat. The early access builds they also included were just a convenience. Yuzu was open source and anyone could make a build. In fact pineappleEA kept pace with the Yuzu repo and made those early access builds available to everyone. Yuzu taking Patreon donations is not the issue.

@Clawthorne

3 ай бұрын

It's worth noting that nintendo *definitely* won't get those $2.4M. They might get whatever is in the patreon account currently, and whatever assets the LLC had. But that won't even come close to $2.4M. Also since they sued the LLC and not the developers personally, there won't be any "spend the rest of your life paying money to nintendo". Once the company files for bankruptcy that's it. So all Nintendo did was light a fire under the Switch emulation scene, and got nothing in return besides pocket change and a domain.

@Clawthorne

3 ай бұрын

@@error.418Please, lets not pretend they didn't have a paywall. If you wanted support for some newly released game you *had* to be a patreon. That is a paywall, regardless how soft it was. And no, I'm not counting the whole "but you can build from source". Most people don't even know what source code is, much less how to compile it.

You find Citra and Yuzu in the Internet archive. Enjoy.

@Tenshi_Kira666

3 ай бұрын

You can also use the Way back machine

@javi994

3 ай бұрын

@@Tenshi_Kira666They are the same thing

@haniffhamid4324

3 ай бұрын

no updates.

@Rvyc

3 ай бұрын

that is from the internet archive@@Tenshi_Kira666

@marcusbruns9729

3 ай бұрын

Who doesn't already know that? Once something hits the net, there's no way to rid it completely.

what's truly fucked up is that Citra is now dead purely as collateral damage

@balsalmalberto8086

3 ай бұрын

Citra is opensource, as the heat dies down we could see a fork, potentially.

@ihavenoideas5844

3 ай бұрын

​@@balsalmalberto8086Github repo is already dead

@Bullminator

3 ай бұрын

Eh.. i have it on pc. Its old version but it still works.

@laharl2k

3 ай бұрын

doesnt citra have a retroarch core?

@olinafan4459

3 ай бұрын

now i have to pay for stupid egg ns

Once an open source project exists on the web, it will never not exist. Long live emulation!

@JeanPierre-nh7tg

3 ай бұрын

✊✊

@dyerseve3001

3 ай бұрын

Yes, but when the main devs fear prosecution, development can come to a grinding halt.

@richardmcgowan1651

3 ай бұрын

Yuzu and Citra development will continue. Just a bit slower and under different names. Nintendo is powerless to stop it. Yuzu got caught out because they were taking money for it. Which should never have been a thing in the first place.

@mforce2

3 ай бұрын

@@richardmcgowan1651 Also being a bit too open about supporting piracy. You support a game that's not released yet ? I think it's fine to just take some voluntary donations but without offering any privileges. Also discussions about specific games, how to get them and other things should be kept somewhere else.

@Sithedd

3 ай бұрын

@@richardmcgowan1651its true. Emulator coding should be hobby only. It moves slower but is more noble work.

part of me is completely pissed because i had citra on my resume since i worked on it in the past.

@bowserjrsoutsidestory7125

3 ай бұрын

do you think citra, or emulators in general, will look worse on resumes now? i wanted to put some emulation stuff on my resume but now i'm scared a non-computer science person will see my resume and think its illegal

@DanishValkyrie

3 ай бұрын

@@bowserjrsoutsidestory7125 Illegal or not, still took skills to make, eh?

@Haddley333

3 ай бұрын

oh damn weird flex but okay

@noswanson1982

3 ай бұрын

Meh, Citra did nothing wrong. The only reason Citra was taken down was collateral damage. Nintendo went after the Switch emulator, and since Citra is made by the same group... it was killed off too. I'm just glad I got Citra a while back (even though it is outdated). :|

@HEADSHOTPROLOL

3 ай бұрын

​@@bowserjrsoutsidestory7125 There's multiple layers to this that all counters the idea that emulation itself (and by extension any work on it) is illegal, but if we focus on the outcome of Yuzu here: this was a settlement, not a legal case taken to court with a verdict by judges. So no, any contributions you may have made aren't in anyway invalidated. Now you already know that and you're more saying that this doesn't matter and some people may still percieve it as this terrible thing, but I think most people who are professionally involved in any closely related industry will end up in two camps: #1 they don't know about it, #2 they know about it and are equally okay with it as they have ever been. The people you see out there detesting emulation are less likely to really be professionally involved in the industry, let alone an employer, by virtue of not knowing wtf they're talking about :) it's possible I'm overestimating the competence of people, but imo keep it in

Downloaded the Yuzu Source before takedown. And i'm sure many developers did the same. This will not be the day they captured Jack sparrow.

@sixdroid

3 ай бұрын

you can fork a git repo too.

@SoarPro

3 ай бұрын

I need to get the source and latest revision. Missed out on that one before the takedown.

@TheDeceptiveHero

3 ай бұрын

*Captain Jack Sparrow

@error.418

3 ай бұрын

Not only did many developers do the same, but it's all archived to the Internet Archive.

@O5-XIV

3 ай бұрын

@planoleeuwarden "This will not be the day they captured Jack sparrow" You are without doubt the worst pirate I've ever heard of :D

Already 6 forks, open source community is like a hydra when attacked.

@KeyJayHD

3 ай бұрын

Been saying this for years. Nintendo just fed the Hydra. It was very effective 👏🏿👏🏿🏴‍☠️

@JohnSmith-xq1pz

3 ай бұрын

Hail Hydra!

@qactustick

3 ай бұрын

The important thing on Nintendo's/the law's side of things is that they continue to press it. Stamping it out completely isn't really achievable, but turning a blind eye to it and just letting it happen would ironically be worse for Nintendo than the approach they've followed the entire time they've been in the industry.

@beardalaxy

3 ай бұрын

at best, one of those forks will actually continue being developed in a meaningful way long-term what is more likely is that people jump over to ryujinx instead it was already the preferred one for some use cases

@corgano6068

3 ай бұрын

@@qactustickI disagree. Turning a blind eye and ignoring it (for now) puts the emulator dev's in a state of "Ok we actually need to do this by the books or we'll get fucked". EX not using the official firmware and reverse engineering their own, not including title keys and making you dump your own, etc. The devs, under the impression they are above board, tries to stay above board. The second Nintendo tries to take it down, unless they are 100% successful in keeping it down, someone else will upload a fork. That person has absolutely NO INCENTIVE to keep things above board so screw it - bundle the keys, add multiplayer with consoles, use the official firmware files.

It's citra that hurts the most. The 3ds has a fantastic library.

@NeonCoding

3 ай бұрын

and so little of it has been ported elsewhere

@DogginsFroggins

3 ай бұрын

Honestly getting a 2ds is a great investment, its easy to hack, has a huge library and a great homebrew scene.

@benammiswift

3 ай бұрын

@@DogginsFroggins Yeah the 2DS is great. I love mine

@dxtremecaliber

3 ай бұрын

@@DogginsFroggins2DS XL man the best model of 3DS

@Schugi2

3 ай бұрын

yeah, and unlike yuzu there are no alternatives for 3ds emulation

Since Yuzu didn't take it to court, they took one for the team. Them settling out of court is the best thing that could have happened for the emulation scene.

@svenbtb

2 ай бұрын

100%. Them potentially losing a court battle around emulation would have been a disaster for everyone.

As soon as you mentioned that they had a Patreon, I knew that is how they lost against Nintendo. As soon as you start monetizing something that directly or indirectly was developed by Nintendo, that's when Nintendo's lawyers get _really_ vicious. Sure, they'll probably go after anything regardless, but profiting from it, even in the form of donations, is a big no-no.

@nunyobiznez875

2 ай бұрын

There's a very big difference between donations and paywalling.

Looking forward to the day someone will identify Yuzu code running some future Nintendo-Switch-Mini or similar.

@njnjco

3 ай бұрын

That's what I was thinking, lol. Nintendo is totally, 100% against emulation, no exceptions. Unless, of course, they are the ones doing it.

@Tieigo0

3 ай бұрын

​@@njnjco and unless there is a paywall that benefits them. Wham bam thanks for the Cash, companies are greedy. The end.

@philippfinalizer

3 ай бұрын

haha so true

@Kiel2040

3 ай бұрын

Well they aint making games for charity. Also the now "own" the yuzu source, so if they use it its their property. The just git payed for software for the nso of their next project.

@ungratefulmango

3 ай бұрын

​​@@Tieigo0 I don't think it's *quite* that simple. Nintendo does need to protect their IP, or risk losing it. If every device can run their software, they are at serious risk of their trademarks lapsing. I'm on the side of emulation. I think everyone should be able to run any software they want, regardless of their hardware. But that's just not how IP laws work.

This sets a really bad precedent. I hope other hardware manufacturers don't see blood in the water

@rute1745

3 ай бұрын

Oh it will!

@terra_creeper

3 ай бұрын

At least it's not a legal precedent. If Yuzu had fought and lost, it might have led to emulators in general being declared illegal.

@DiogenesTheCynic.

3 ай бұрын

Yuzu settled, there is no legal precedent that was made. Yuzu basically sacrificed themselves to prevent manufacturers to go after other emulator makers by just paying Nintendo before a ruling could be made.

@junkimyt

3 ай бұрын

There would be no problem if they didn't make a Patreon

@blar2112

3 ай бұрын

@@terra_creeper Nosense, Sony lost twice againts emulator developers and the precedent is worth fuckall

2:35 I imagine a video of a yuzu dev nervously reading that message from a piece of rustling paper, occaisonally glancing to the side as though a mustached plumper is standing just off camera, pointing a gun at him.

@poisonouspotato1

3 ай бұрын

That's what probably happened. From this day on I vow to never give another penny to this corrupt, money-hungry giant and still continue to play their titles. I bought a switch oled, but now it's time to go to war and make them feel sorry

@javi994

3 ай бұрын

@@poisonouspotato1Look, Nintendo is a billion dollar corp, you’re gonna kill them by not supporting them? It’s fine if you don’t support them, but you think you’re gonna end their business just because you, a singular person will not buy their stuff? Really?

@TakahiroShinsaku

3 ай бұрын

@@poisonouspotato1That i do since my Childhood, because even as a child i knew NintenDONT is evil, because they dared to sue the Dev´s of The Great Giana Sisters, how dare they. kzread.info/dash/bejne/gJlhkpt7o8LIgtI.html alone that OST is awesome.

Honestly, Yuzu was asking for it with paywalls and ads. This isn't a real surprise. Let's just hope it doesn't doesn't start a trend for all emulators.

@dustytux

3 ай бұрын

Even Citra Android had paywalled features.

@zidan40o0

3 ай бұрын

exactly my thoughts, it was dumb of them.

@AnarchoTak

3 ай бұрын

it doesn't matter. cuz profiting off of emulators is completely legal. the lawsuit had nothing to do with patreon. Nintendo is blaming them for "causing piracy to exist".

@pinstripecool34

3 ай бұрын

Yea it was kind their own fault.

@error.418

3 ай бұрын

Yuzu didn't have paywalls. They had a Patreon with some benefits that were not restricted to the public other than special Discord channels to chat. The early access builds they also included were just a convenience. Yuzu was open source and anyone could make a build. In fact pineappleEA kept pace with the Yuzu repo and made those early access builds available to everyone. Yuzu taking Patreon donations is not the issue.

Don't forget about 2 years ago Yuzu tried to put the multiplayer feature behind a paywall as well but cancelled it entirely in the last minute for fear that Nintendo might sue them. It's for real this time.

@cavemann_

3 ай бұрын

I don't remember the details, but wasn't the feature just present in the future to be released build? Newer builds were always available a week or two early via patreon.

@DarthKain0

3 ай бұрын

@@VictoriaBrz What if they were both bad? That'd be crazy.....

@RegularNobody

3 ай бұрын

Yeah, yuzu fucked up too. Still, f*ck nintendo

@yesyes-om1po

3 ай бұрын

to pay for servers?

@desmond3245

3 ай бұрын

@@cavemann_Not that time. They intended to make it exclusive to patreon backers only. What I want to say is, Yuzu has been playing a dangerous game which got Ninetendo's attention. Ninetendo was simply waiting for an opportunity to start a lawsuit. This is actually similar to the situation of the original KZread Vanced in 2022. Vanced had been around for years and Google knew it well. But when Vanced was planning to make NFTs to try to milk more money from the project, Google struck immediately.

Emulation can never truly be stopped no matter any legal outcome.

@user-bt8pi2vz7r

3 ай бұрын

Legal is bogus.

@janjohansson2567

3 ай бұрын

Cloud gaming. Good luck emulating code that has never been distributed beyond the walls of some server farm somewhere

@RunePonyRamblings

3 ай бұрын

Good luck getting anyone to invest development effort when doing so can get you thrown in jail and sued into lifelong debt slavery.

@lmcgregoruk

3 ай бұрын

@@janjohansson2567Yeah, but most games on cloud gaming are just games that are available retail anyway. What games does Stadia have that aren't already available as a digital download/physical copy somewhere else? Wait, what's that you say about Stadia?

@obiwanbartek

3 ай бұрын

@@RunePonyRamblingsWhole retro and emulation scene does this... And nobody is in prison. They cant catch us all xD

Since the eShop closure, Shin Megami Tensei IV is a lost media in Europe, now with Citra's death, it's now difficult to play the game, you need a modded 3DS and access to the cia files + you lost access to all the mods to improve the QOL

@CathrineMacNiel

3 ай бұрын

Is it really difficult? I mean yeah the official repo is dunzo but like the hydra several hundreds repos sprout instead.

@error.418

3 ай бұрын

Citra development stopped, but it didn't disappear. You can still use it.

@derealized797

3 ай бұрын

@@error.418This is what i was wondering, the way some people are reacting to this, it's as though you can't run citra anymore and might as well delete it. But really, that's not it at all.

@mitchjames9350

3 ай бұрын

I am glad I got the game and Apocalypse a few years ago.

@m4playsgames636

3 ай бұрын

Bruh th are u talkin about? Citra will always work even if the dev team is gone it's just the emulator ain't gonna get better anymore unless someone picks up the pieces. Like seriously? Do you even use emulators? since this I think the most basic knowledge about emulators and it's not like the devs left the emu completely unusable either.

Its times like these when we should never forget the wise words from a truly wise man, Gabe N... "Dear Nintendo, It had come to our attention that Dolphin emulation made an announcement of releasing their emulator in Steam. Just letting you know. Toodles. Sincerely, Gabe N."

The worst part of this is that this will only reaffirm in Nintendo's mind the false belief that emulation is illegal, when in reality, it isn’t.

@redfalcon2383

3 ай бұрын

Nintendo isn't an individual, it's a company. It doesn't have a mind of its own

@fillerbunnyninjashark271

3 ай бұрын

Tell that to the US legal system that gave personhood to corporations

@lgolem09l

3 ай бұрын

I which of the 100+ countries on the planet? Legal is what people decide is legal.

@WackoMcGoose

3 ай бұрын

They already think that Japanese copyright law (which has no concept of _fair use)_ overrules copyright law in the rest of the world. It doesn't. In fact, I think international copyright law used _American_ law as the base reference...?

@lauraprates8764

3 ай бұрын

they know isn't illegal, that's just them taking advantage because they have more money and a better legal team

I think this behavior from Nintendo pretty much confirms a Switch 2 is going to just be a souped-up Switch. May the unofficial forks never die.

@alinob2965

3 ай бұрын

Just forked it myself at the time of commenting. Amen to this

@muhammadwibisonojanuar7793

3 ай бұрын

Nintendo feels heartbreak because of Sony, and this trauma occurs to the YUZU

@Caotivo

3 ай бұрын

So with Switch 2 we are just gonna get better res and framerate...

@namelessalias0007

3 ай бұрын

​​@@alinob2965Any way you could share the source files with me? I want a copy for preservation...

@hullstar242

3 ай бұрын

With that logic it’s also a suped up 3DS Nintendo just hates emulation. They always have. If they have any grain of legal ground they will pursue with full force.

Don't forget that Nintendo repackaged NES roms ripped with iNES emulator tools, and put those ROMs in their Wii Virtual Console. The game files still had the iNES header inside 🙄

@DoinThatRag

3 ай бұрын

And do you know why this is? Because they actually hired the developer who created the ines spec and he didn't feel like recreating the wheel. It allowed him to use a lot of code he's already written. Who do you people think NERD (Nintendo Europe Research & Development) hires to make their emulators? Actual emulator developers.

@VTWS

3 ай бұрын

@@DoinThatRag inb4 Yuzu developers suddenly show up at Nintendo and new Switch games start to actually run at decent fps

regarding your point at 2:25, the early access actually was never behind a paywall, what was behind a paywall was the ability to update your current build to the Early Access version and to have it be automatically updated. But the source for the Early Access version was always publicly available and available for anyone to compile themselves!

Citra is honestly the bigger loss, there is no other 3DS emulator out on the market Mikage is still doesn’t have a public build

@GANONdork123

3 ай бұрын

There's Panda3DS, but it's still pretty far behind Citra in terms of usability and compatibility. While the loss of Citra is unfortunate, it's merely a setback for 3DS emulation.

@finkamain1621

3 ай бұрын

@@GANONdork123 Man, even Citra ran smooth compared to DeSuMe. I could play a 3DS game in 4K internal resolution at 60fps while I can only play a DS game at 2x the native resolution with some minor frame drops. Citra devs really knew how to develop, but their greed with Patreon and pay walling the ability to play their new release blacklist of games really game Nintendo the upper hand

@ProjectionProjects2.7182

3 ай бұрын

I agree Citra dying is a major L for 3DS Emulation. 😢

@90sNath

3 ай бұрын

Once Mikage releases, I think we'll be ok

@jcgamer1650

3 ай бұрын

True since people can just use Ryujinx instead of Yuzu.

If I'm honest, I was always nervous about how 'loud' YUZU was getting, not just because of their Patreon but also the spotlight it was getting from places like Linus Tech Tips or that pulled SteamDeck ad. I just felt that was all flying too close to the sun. It's better that projects like this try and avoid the mainstream spotlight.

@RickStormT

3 ай бұрын

Yeah, trying to monetize projects like this is a bad move.

@tsu7206

3 ай бұрын

The Yuzu team paid a certain emulation youtuber a bunch of money to promote Yuzu and ignoring Ryujinx. Their affiliationg was not disclosed which is illegal according to KZread rules.

@GizmoTheGreen

3 ай бұрын

@@tsu7206 haven't heard of this, who?

@MaxNexus

3 ай бұрын

​@@RickStormT well, theres nothing illegal with paid emulators, just look into the Sony v. Bleem cases. So there arent any legal issues with monetizing emulators as far as i know.

@PCorNPC

3 ай бұрын

Exactly. The attention and overconfidence. Like the analogy you used. While money was part of it, the prominence of yuzu and all the focus on it made it a number 1 target for Nintendo to make an example out of.

I agree with what you said, if you cut the head off a hydra it will grow. Great video ! I humbly thank Yuzu team for all their effort to the community.

Citra hurts way more out of this settlement, tons of games that I finally get to enjoy there due 3DS being difficult to mod and simply too expensive to play normally nowadays you know, using real hardware and hunting for real game carts. I still have launch model I bought from Japan years ago and just sits in my closet due to how hard and expensive it is to get for its games and its region locked.

@N0rth_Star

3 ай бұрын

the 3ds modding is easier than you think at least for my nerd ass

@ndnixlon9548

3 ай бұрын

Wait, if you have an unhacked 3DS lying around there, how were you able to obtain the 3DS System Files for some 3DS titles to run properly in Citra?

@ndnixlon9548

3 ай бұрын

"3DS being difficult to mod", buddy the 3DS modding scene hasn't been using emuNAND since 2015.

Ryujinx creator is Brazilian, the Brazil legal justice is know for making big companies like Apple(fined them for not including the charger) and Playstation(forced them to restore a user's banned console and account) fold, so If Ryujinx doesn't do anything illegal since Emulation is 100% legal in Brazil , they are safe to go. Ryujinx code is clean-room and they don't circumvent the Switch's firmware unlike Yuzu that only needed prodkeys. Nintendo doesn't even have a Brazilian office since they left in 2015, making a business in Brazil and a legal case is such a hassle Nintendo won't bother, since unlike in the US they can easily lose the case here.

@pooripantra

3 ай бұрын

Iwas really worried about ryujinx

@jonah1976

3 ай бұрын

That's what I've been using. I've been emulating since 97 and I've compiled my own versions of MAME. I could NOT get Yuzu working properly. I won't miss it.

@cafeapaka7501

3 ай бұрын

Ryujinx uses prod keys too

@Flyzoola

3 ай бұрын

@@cafeapaka7501 So? Let a fucking Nintendo Ninja come to a favela, so they can learn what its like to pray to Jesus in a land of heathens

@hkalle

3 ай бұрын

@@cafeapaka7501 Yes, but it also needs the firmware itself.

This will lead to an explosion in the switch hacking scene

@AcidzDesigns

3 ай бұрын

Don't need an explosion for that....already been done

@monomono9627

3 ай бұрын

And just like home consoles and handhelds before it, the Switch will be deprecated in favor of a new line of consoles...

@josephrumpsa180

3 ай бұрын

The first thing I did to my switch was install a Picofly. I'm not paying $60 for used games -_-

@thechugg4372

3 ай бұрын

I fucking wish, there's been no way to hack the switch for a looooong time now because of all the security updates

@wile123456

3 ай бұрын

It's morally okay to private Nintendo games. Let's pray the switch 2 is cracked quickly

Very excited for the rebranded version of the emulator to launch!

@omma911

3 ай бұрын

Schmuzu

@ZERARCHIVE2023

3 ай бұрын

@@omma911Nudu

@Adamtendo_player_1

3 ай бұрын

Any attempt to rebrand it will end the same way as it did with yuzu.

@thelelanatorlol3978

3 ай бұрын

@@Adamtendo_player_1 No it won't because unlike the Yuzu devs, the fork devs probably would not have the source code of unreleased nintendo games just laying around which is pretty much the entire reason Yuzu backed down from what I can see.

@daveliongson27

3 ай бұрын

They can rebrand it, so nintendo can sue them again and pay another 2.4 mil. 🤣

Shutting down emulators only makes me want to pirate.

@marcusbruns9729

3 ай бұрын

Anti consumer acts make me pirate. That and being broke as a joke.

@shiramaro

3 ай бұрын

commie

@marcusbruns9729

3 ай бұрын

@@porkwoofles3909 I used to be a diehard Nintendo consumer. That all changed pretty quickly as I became an adult (well, like 14+). But how do those boots taste?

@radovan_mladic

3 ай бұрын

It should actually make you make games yourself.

@Tetrumo

3 ай бұрын

@@radovan_mladic It does that too

The devs "handed over" the source code to Nintendo. Which makes me think Nintendo might try to use copyright suits to stifle any attempts to restart Yuzu development under a different name. But, as far as I understand, that's not how open-source licenses work. The code released under a license is always covered by that license. Like, if version 1.5 of a project is under one license, and for version 1.6 they switch to a different license, all the code contained in 1.5 is still under that old license, and only 1.6 and later is under the new license. You can still fork 1.5 under the terms of the old license. Nintendo can't just "own" the Yuzu or Citra code. The code that was in the repositories before they were taken down is still under the license that the team used, and can be used as the basis for a "new" project.

@mnarath8376

3 ай бұрын

depends heavily on the licence tbh but normally to actually relicence you gotta get the actual greenlight from every dev that worked on that pice of software ever not easy for open source 😅

@switchitup3709

3 ай бұрын

Maybe Nintendo will get their engineer to study it. It could use to go after other emulators or Nintendo could try make their own Switch Emulator on PC. This is a batman situation..you know, batman finds a macguffin and can use it later on in the most random way.

@DaryxFox

3 ай бұрын

@@mnarath8376That depends on whether the projects accepts contributions from devs wishing to retain their copyright. Some projects (GNU, for example) requires contributors to assign copyright to the Free Software Foundation.

@bidaumsguides3789

3 ай бұрын

@@switchitup3709nintendo dont need reverse engineered software to “emulate” their own hardware. Switch games are developed on PCs and initial development builds are running in a PC environment first before the builds are compiled for the Switch OS. They already know the exact method of how to make their games run natively on a different OS and architecture.

@idontwantahandlethough

3 ай бұрын

@@switchitup3709 no.

Hydra effect, others emulations will rise after this

@_Tualatin_

3 ай бұрын

No, this is not how it's work in this way. You say: haha there is more and more forks, but it's only copy past old code, it's not big deal, more important is lost, worked infrastructure, developers, many of dev is scary to do something after this case, to pay 2 millions, and lost avery think. Nintendo win. I think developers is stupid in this situation, they just need to be better anonimize they privacy.

@erwinamanciosilva7693

3 ай бұрын

​@@_Tualatin_its you ho does not know how the emulation dev community works, theres always someone to take the work from there on, many emulators considered dead for decades got completed and released or got continued eventually, yeah team lost is big, but not something absolute, if there is something true about emulation is that it can neever be truly defeated, people already work on it for free, ever since ever, you cant destroy something that have nothing to lose to begin with, well at least the community as whole, the yuzu team sure got a loss here, but someone it will eventually be continued by someone somehow.

@ellie4722

3 ай бұрын

​​@@_Tualatin_That's what everyone said and thought way before yuzu getting sued, more will rise and more people are eager to do more which means a lot of emulators rise

@Agent-mb1xx

3 ай бұрын

@@_Tualatin_calm down, virgin. I know nintendrones are working double-shift today but you need to calm down, piracy always wins

@BriBCG

3 ай бұрын

@@erwinamanciosilva7693 That's not exactly an apples to apples comparison. All those dead emulators that got completed were abandoned for reasons other than being forced to pay a 2.4m lawsuit. Especially if Nintendo keeps doing it a lot less people are going to be willing to work on emulators, and it's not just something that anyone can do which is why other forms of piracy are so hard to kill. That said I think maybe they just flew a bit too close to the sun here creating an emulator for a current gen system that can play most games at release.

I haven't been up to date with the emulation scene, but my first thoughts were ... they painted a target on themselves by having a paywalled version of their app. This just reminds me of that suit from around 2018(?) when that emulation site lost when Nintendo went after them, who were making money off having rom site and using pictures of Mario and other I.Ps on their site (and i think they also had some sort of a paywall/sub thing?). I don't remember much else around that case besides sites like emuParadise and possibly others decided to go dormant to avoid being next in Nintendo's firing line. On the topic of Nintendo being so mixed about what they say and what they do, when it comes to emulation... I feel like its pretty much the situation where, if it takes money out of the pockets of Nintendo, it's bad. If its putting money in their pocket then its good. Its the only justification on why they offer their own emulation virtual consoles. That ideology though still leaves the window open for argument that Nintendo needs to put up or shut up, when it comes to retro. There's so much of their back catalogue they aren't offering to people who's only option is to emulate, and its not like they make money off the second hand market of physical sales.

@sotonin

3 ай бұрын

Nope. they did not have any such paywall. Sorry to burst your bubble. Paying (donating) only got you a 1 week early access to the very same build that the public gets

@akuma2124

3 ай бұрын

@@sotonin Oh, you didn't burst my bubble, I started my comment by saying I haven't been keeping up on the emulation scene and I based my comment on what was said in video. At 4:39 - MVG literally said they had a paywall for most up to date versions of the software. Sure, they may end up releasing these out to public later, but it still is an incentive for people to give them money. The fact of the matter is, Nintendo is more likely to come after you if you're making money off their stuff, and that's my point.

@ndnixlon9548

3 ай бұрын

​​@@sotonin Remember when Yuzu announced a "Nintendo Switch Online" subscription-service for online play such as MK8DX that costs 3x the price of the actual NSO? The yuzu team immediately retracted / discontinued that project after the backlash and rumored that their lawyer advised them to do so.

@ndnixlon9548

3 ай бұрын

I think the reason why Nintendo was able to sue Tropic Haze LCC (company name behind yuzu and Citra) is because they've probably included a guide that involves extracting the Switch keys via Lockpick homebrew (which is required in order to run commercial titles), which Nintendo already DMCA'd in the past.

1:29 "precedent of emulation" sounded like "priesthood of emulation" to me at first which sounded really cool. i was hoping there was a way to use "priesthood" in casual speech

@Shlappz

3 ай бұрын

Easy, just become a priest

@hayami208

3 ай бұрын

Favorite comment hands down!

@skycloud4802

3 ай бұрын

Our Father, who Art in Emulation, hallowed be thy name; thy Tears of the Kingdom come; thy will be done; in video games as it is in emulator heaven. Give us this day our daily video games. And forgive us our piracy, as we forgive those who file lawsuit against us. And lead us not into piracy; but deliver us from Nintendo.

I think the main thing nintendo went after yuzu for is because not only was it paywalled, but also because they paywalled a patch that made tears of the kingdom playable before it released. Yuzu's stupidity in that regard took two emulators down in one swoop

@krustymoco3

3 ай бұрын

For sure. Their Patreon made them a tasty target

@pedro4205

3 ай бұрын

That's the thing lots of people are ignoring. They couldn't possibly say that they weren't about piracy if they are releasing patches for unreleased games, and charging for it

@thunderbird8

3 ай бұрын

Yeah, this is pretty much it. Also makes their comments about being anti-piracy ring rather hollow.

@angusmglfraser

3 ай бұрын

They didn't paywall a patch for TotK. There was a fix for an issue that was in an early-access build of yuzu, which was released before the TotK leak, but which was needed to play TotK on the emulator. That patch was eventually merged into the main branch, as that's how yuzu operated. They never really paywalled anything, they just had a paid version where you could get new features and bug fixes a week or two before everyone else Edit: also, I remember that until TotK officially released, yuzu was very deliberate about not allowing any patches targeting TotK, and there were various 3rd party patches that people were passing around. The yuzu devs were uninvolved in getting the game working before release

@maxpoulin64

3 ай бұрын

It's very possible they also proved along the way that they were in possession of the leaked version of TotK. At the very least they have to have collaborated with someone that did and that's probably why the lawyers went for settling. If they really refused to touch piracy there's no way they could test it before launch. If they went to court Nintendo would likely ask them under oath "did you have access to the leaked copy of TotK" and they'd have to answer yes. Unfortunately the settlement also means we won't know exactly how much evidence they found on the devs.

Now that's one force-fed farewell message if i've ever seen one

@nadiaplaysgames2550

3 ай бұрын

they had a gun to head to type it it reeks sarcasm

@Cyko..

3 ай бұрын

You will do whatever Nintendo tells you to do and love every minute of it, and then thank them in the end. 😊

@slickstretch6391

3 ай бұрын

Yeah, I feel like they made it blatantly obvious that it was a message forced by either Nintendo's lawyers or their own.

@granixo

3 ай бұрын

There is no emulation in Bang Sing Se.

@yayyayyyyalisa

3 ай бұрын

Yuzu's farewell message was BS. It was written by Nintendo's lawyers and Yuzu forced to sign.

This is the internet, nothing can be taken down. It will just go underground and be back under a different name once the heat has settled.

The Patreon was the key point - they were making money off it. Yes, it's open source and can be developed further. But there was no way Nintendo was going to let Yuzu keep making money in this way. We have to hope that Switch 2 does have robust and working backwards compatibility, however they achieve it.

@theocramez

3 ай бұрын

with yuzu source code KEK

@sygos

3 ай бұрын

weren't they making like 20k a month? so like a quarter MILLION dollars a year they were taking in for a fan project???

@seeibe

3 ай бұрын

@@sygos Which is honestly peanuts in terms of how much of a technical marvel the yuzu emulator is. I threw some money their way 2 years ago and I'm happy where they got. yuzu plays all the major first party Nintendo titles well enough these days that Nintendo's lawsuit kinda came too late, it won't achieve much other than getting people even more pissed off at them, and maybe delay Switch 2 emulation a little.

@MrBenMcLean

3 ай бұрын

Switch 2!? WHY ARE YOU STILL GIVING THESE PEOPLE MONEY!?!?

@theocramez

3 ай бұрын

@@sygos More like 30k a month towards the last months... which is money some "fans" willingly GAVE them on PATREON to SUPPORT and THANK them for their awesome work. There is NOTHING wrong with that lol, even I was proudly giving them 10 bucks a month because their emulator was working just oh so good, even on my AMD hardware, TotK (which I dumped myself from my cartridge on my Switch, with the savefile I dumped from my console as well) in full 1080p + 60fps + better shadows + better LOD + better antialiasing without any hiccups is a great stunt.

it's open source and already been forked, nothing has changed whatsoever besides Yuzu's owners bank accounts have been drained

you see the worst of nintendo when you see them taking citra off too when the 3ds has been dead for quite the while now, cringe company that hates its own games being preserved while only providing the shittest possible ports and no backwards compatibility

@saidraalien6837

3 ай бұрын

Enters - homebrew

@user-bt8pi2vz7r

3 ай бұрын

Nintendo wants to sell their games again.

@myhandleiswhat

3 ай бұрын

@@user-bt8pi2vz7rI can't wait for the Switch's successor to have the Nintendo Online service Nintendo Entertainment System games and such start over from scratch again (yes I seriously have to write out that)

@zeroturn7091

3 ай бұрын

The hardware was the only thing out of production, they just recently stopped selling digital games. I hate that this has happened as I’ve had plenty of consoles fail beyond repair.

@TruzzleBruh

3 ай бұрын

@@myhandleiswhatthey'll just do very slightly newer old systems at an even slower pace than they are currently 😂😂

I feel like this is the beginning for Nintendo in terms of targeting emulation entities. I'm pretty sure this is all in line with their pre-release strategy for the Switch 2. I wouldn't be surprised if they are going after emulation in general to lock things down before their new hardware is released.

Emulating current gen systems and getting a large amount of cash flow from doing it is never going to end well.

@N0rth_Star

3 ай бұрын

3ds is not new gen lmao

@ndnixlon9548

3 ай бұрын

One may argue that Cemu also gained a large amount of cash flow (especially when Cemu can boot BOTW on launch day) yet they weren't taken down by Ninty but by that time the Wii U was already discontinued for a month. The Citra removal decision came out of nowhere though, probably they followed their lawyer's advice (?) since that project is heavily affiliated with Yuzu.

Honestly this is a raw kick in the nuts. All I want is a GOG-like service but for classic console games, charge like 5 bucks a game or whatever and have the money go to the publisher or whoever the IP holder is and you get the ISO, boom piracy mostly solved I would think.

@janjohansson2567

3 ай бұрын

That would be terrific! Until then what I do is (apart from supporting GOG of course) I support the heck out of any jailbroken services. Steam collection like the Genesis collection, Cowabunga Collection, Disney Afternoon Collection, etc etc, and Wii virtual console (before it shut down) and digital PS1/PS2 games from PSN on the PS3 - if I know I can extract the raw ROMs/ISOs, I purchase every god damn game I want to play. My last purchases: Parasite Eve 1 & 2 and Xenogears, $6-$8 USD each, might never find them cheaper.

@GYTCommnts

3 ай бұрын

Exactly! Jeez! They prefer to kill their games than create a system / repository that can deal with copyright, licenses and keep the old games alive instead of dying. I think the GOG model is one of the best we can hope to succeed regarding game preservation and still being business to the copyright holders.

@obiwanbartek

3 ай бұрын

Not going to happen. Nintendo/Sony would rather sell a "crappy port" of their old games for 25-30$ rather than give it to GOG-like community for 5$. Even if that is less profitable for them. Why? Because they can...

@sonicthomasgamer

3 ай бұрын

Cloud saves and automatic emulation settings, full controller support gyro functionality out of the box Qol fixes Adaptive trigger support Friends list Mod support New payed for content Piracy over

@janjohansson2567

3 ай бұрын

@@obiwanbartekIt's called capitalism :) If people pay $30 over and over again for the same games, of course they're going to keep selling them for that...

watch nintendo use the code to emulate switch games on future consoles. And make people pay a subscription if they want to play them

@JeffriRanger

3 ай бұрын

That's non sense, they have their own code

@nightgenerator

3 ай бұрын

@@JeffriRangerIts not nonsense. Their own code runs on a machine, it doesn't implement the machine itself...those are different scenarios, especially to make performant.

@ffafafaf

3 ай бұрын

@@JeffriRangerwhere?

@SideQuestStories

3 ай бұрын

​@@JeffriRangerThere's a historical precedent of Nintendo using the mGBA emulator uncredited.

@null301_

3 ай бұрын

​@@SideQuestStorieswhere?

I'm very disappointed in Citra being discontinued. They were working on a version for the Lume Pad 2 (a 12.4" Android tablet with a glasses-free 3D screen). It would have been nice to play 3DS games on a big 3D display.

I'm just scared of the precedent this potentially sets. Other lawyers, juries and judges will look back at this case and quote it, potentially take things out of context and things start to spiral for us emulation enthusiast and companies like Nintendo and Sony start getting their way more and more. The law is already messy as it is. Not looking forward to any of this...

@mondodimotori

3 ай бұрын

A settlement doesn't set any precedent. It's not a sentence.

@Tracenji

3 ай бұрын

they never went to court so there is no legal precedent from this

@johnhtml117

3 ай бұрын

​@@Tracenjity for your explanation

This will just make people want to pirate more

@baseddoggie

3 ай бұрын

It's got me motivated! Thanks Nintendie!

@AliceErishech

3 ай бұрын

It sure made me want to go pirate everything Nintendo I can get my hands on just out of spite.

@fieryfirevivin

3 ай бұрын

It's an obligation now

@user-cq4jv6bo3m

3 ай бұрын

Because you are all just a bunch of thieves"

@pakaman9101

3 ай бұрын

Yeah as if people that weren't pirating before would suddenly feel that way. It's the opposite, people that were paying for the games would support anti-piracy.

I would not be shocked if there's a cyber attack against Nintendo after this

@dylanc2806

3 ай бұрын

One can pray

@CrackerSmith

3 ай бұрын

I hope they take everything down and erase it forever.

@SideQuestStories

3 ай бұрын

​@@CrackerSmithYes destroying media has great historical precedents...

@beardalaxy

3 ай бұрын

man, that would be so horrible. so insanely horrible! can you imagine if like, a gigaleak 2 or something happened? man, i can't imagine how bad that would be...

@imgladnotu9527

3 ай бұрын

i doubt itll be at the scale of the old psn attacks a decade ago

I hate that Citra is gone too...

@ZERARCHIVE2023

3 ай бұрын

They want the 3ds to be dead and forgotten lol

Nintendo will probably use the source code for backwards compatibility on their next console

I grew up a Nintendo fan in the 80's but its becoming easier with each passing year to become anti Nintendo

@christopherwilliams9418

3 ай бұрын

Most of their good games are just slightly different takes on their last-gen hits anyways. Mario Kart 8 is fine but I honestly don't think I'd miss the parachutes and zero-g segments if all I had was MKWii.

@SideQuestStories

3 ай бұрын

I don't get why people conflate the devs with the lawyers. Devs great. Lawyers infuriating scum.

@ScotterOtter

3 ай бұрын

@@SideQuestStoriesthe litigious nature of nintendo really pisses everyone off, and frankly, it is why i agree with the moral good in piracy.

@skycloud4802

3 ай бұрын

Love the games, hate the company.

@makinkurwamonster6566

3 ай бұрын

@@acmhfmggrunever bought a switch for any nintendo ip only because its protable and has good ps3/xbox360 ports

Mutahar is going to be so pissed.

@satyamSaha

3 ай бұрын

he already is, just look at his new tweets.

@Dragonfury3000

3 ай бұрын

Time to play on console like it's intended. Emulators should only exist after the console is dead.

@RJpkFire

3 ай бұрын

@@Dragonfury3000at 480p 15 fps lets go

@bruhtholemew

3 ай бұрын

​@@Dragonfury3000 This also killed Citra, which is for a dead console.

@LoneWanderer905

3 ай бұрын

@@Dragonfury3000 most stupid opinion ever lmao. Also, the 3DS is very much dead, and so is Citra now.

Thankfully ryujinx is still available and Citra has such as a large community that it will be remade or continuned in some form.

If only Nintendo would let us play our old games 🤦🏼

@Itameagent

3 ай бұрын

Users were getting early gameplay of games and a lot of people dont use it For old game they use it for paid games like pokemon

@neros_soren

3 ай бұрын

@@Itameagent Ignoring that Emulators allow for home brew development, modding etc. Not everyone using emulators is pirating games, and most who pirate, wouldn't buy the game anyways. It's always the same argument, and the argument is always void. Emulation is not the cause for piracy, end of story.

@ricln5464

3 ай бұрын

You can with Dolphin and co., all still running. What they blocked is Yuzu, a Switch emulator. And Switch games are not "old"

@yherok

3 ай бұрын

The detail is that they weren't using YUZU for that.

@mizurazu

3 ай бұрын

@@neros_soren "Not everyone using emulators is pirating games" we need to stop with this argument. Only a very small percentage of people don't use it for piracy. I love emulation but let's not pretend everyone is playing their own game roms. And to the few that will comment "I do", you're still just a drop in the ocean.

This is the whole RIAA vs MP3s situation all over again.

@locklear308

3 ай бұрын

Not even really. By this logic, cars should be banned because they "could" be used without a license or for illegal activity.

@lumirairazbyte9697

3 ай бұрын

For me is Metallica v. Napster.

Nintendo needs to get the 2011 PSN hack treatment.

@davisconnor6307

3 ай бұрын

@msf_recursion Facts

@captaincrunch6011

3 ай бұрын

Please?

@steelbear2063

3 ай бұрын

Eh no thank you, gamers suffered from this if you remember

@beardalaxy

3 ай бұрын

@@steelbear2063 gamers got 5 free games out of it lmao, wipeout and dead nation are some of my favorites now.

@kaisersoymilk6912

3 ай бұрын

You need to pay for current games

I think its important to point out that yuzu was open source and like 6 different forks of the project was made within hours of yuzu announcing they would cave to Nintendo.

Honestly, it was probably their shareholders who told them that they had to "take action" because god forbid that shareholders "miss out" on 1 million copies worth of sales from TotK (even though I'm sure many of those also purchased legitimate copies a week later once it released). So logically, the best way to appease them was going after something that they could point a finger at as being blame-worthy-enough. And it's easy enough to point to the biggest emulator as being the boogey-man. Of course though, as you mentioned, the REAL problem is definitely whoever is leaking all these games to begin with. Thanks for giving such a level-headed response. I think you nailed it on the head when you said that Nintendo can't publicly endorse emulation, when they obviously have been building their own emulators since at least the Wii (or maybe even Gamecube, not sure how the Zelda Collection worked under the hood). This is definitely not "the death of emulation" by any means, and I agree, there's no reason to expect that they're suddenly going to be going after any and all emulators.

i feel lately that the gaming industry is a cess pit thats not worth my time anymore

@voidx6782

3 ай бұрын

You are not the only one. Video games industry has been going downhill thanks to our own stupidity for buying unfinished stuff and overpriced games and allow other kind of rubbish from these companies.

@marcelo20xxxx

3 ай бұрын

Thankfully there are a lot of games released out there and between old and new ones I have plenty of them to play until I die, no loss for me...

@SideQuestStories

3 ай бұрын

Pick up the cheapest 2nd hand console you can find (360, Wii, DS etc) and some recommended games. You'll be happier.

@leonidasvonsparta

3 ай бұрын

Get a 3ds xl get an R4 card and mod the console. You have enough games for many years. Same with the switch

@squorsh

3 ай бұрын

Never has been

I just hope Ryujinx stays okay for now.

@Cyko..

3 ай бұрын

Looks like someone told Nintendo about Ryujinx. Oh well. ☺

@silkiercomet

3 ай бұрын

If this is anything to get by, which I believe it is, they check the same boxes that Yuzu did, Patreon check, open source check, a "We do not support piracy" approach check, if they are not next I'll be surprised

@blaster915

3 ай бұрын

​@@Cyko..why are you happy? Anyways they are based in Brazil where Emulation IS legal and Nintendo doesn't have an office there since 2015 so for now they are protected by Brazil law.

@Cyko..

3 ай бұрын

@@blaster915 The Digital Millennium Copyright Act ( DMCA ) is a U. S. law, and as such applies only to the United States. On the other hand, Copyright laws are international. Intellectual property is protected by WIPO (World Intellectual Property Organization). WIPO treaties protect copyrighted material in nearly 200 countries. Brazil is a member of WIPO so guess you should go download their files before they go bye bye too real soon. ☺

@more_less

3 ай бұрын

@@Cyko.. It will not happen😊

Well said, and I agree. There's no way possible for them to really do much of anything to stop people using emulation. And of course the yuzu emulator is still out there on the internet for good.

Internet archive says no

I'm sure they really needed the 2.4 million; they must be going through hard times!

@Dukep6

3 ай бұрын

Seems like it! They can't even get a switch 2 out!

@acegikm2274

3 ай бұрын

they couldn't care less about the money, they just wanted to send a message to everyone else about what happens if you get too greedy like yuzu did

@Zarnubius

3 ай бұрын

while I agree it's bullshit, they have most likely lost 10s of millions on pirated software.

@getdustin

3 ай бұрын

Can't lose what you never had.

@garbo_supreme

3 ай бұрын

didn't lose a dime from me, considering i was never going to pay them at any point anyway.@@Zarnubius

Man we need better consumer protection laws

@polarvortex6601

3 ай бұрын

CONgress doesnt give a crap

@Micchi-

3 ай бұрын

No we need more company protection laws

@finkamain1621

3 ай бұрын

I got a Asus Blu Ray player for my PC because steaming quality and sound just isn't the same as a high bit rate and 7.1 surround sound even if I'm just using headphones, and the special features. Ended up getting a 4K UHD Blu Ray combo pack and the 4K disk doesn't even work because there's DRM protecting it from being played on my PC and I'd have to jail break my disk drive in order to play it. So get this: I paid for a movie, paid for a drive, paid for software to use the drive, but I can't watch 4K movies because some suits have a deal with companies to only allow 4K UHDs with 4K UHD branded Blu Ray drives that plug directly into HDMI

@janjohansson2567

3 ай бұрын

What cosnumer rights do you feel was violated here?

@polarvortex6601

3 ай бұрын

@@JokerX350 et tu nintendroid, can you still buy ds and 3ds directly from nintendo?

I’m pretty sure Nintendo first got SEGA’s explicit permission before emulating the Sega Genesis on NSO.

@neros_soren

3 ай бұрын

That was NOT the point...... The point was, that Nintendo uses official statements, to demonize emulation. And while people could argue, it's something different if used for their own IPs and property, they still use emulation to have SEGA games on their platform. It's literally hypocritical to claim that emulation stifles innovation, when you actually profit from using it to make games play on your product, that are not yours.

Any word on Yuzu actually using the decoding keys? I sort of recall them having those on the source and, as such, them having a (them being being Nintendo) a grounds for copyright. I may be wrong. Correct me if I am!

I think a really key point mentioned in this video is that NINTENDO need to sort out their leaks. People are going to find a way to play them regardless of emulation - that's NOT on Yuzu (nor any other emulator). Heck, people were dumping PS3 games long before they were playable on an emulator. Nintendo's arguments are nonsense, obviously. Yuzu shouldn't have charged money for any type of build though. The early access Patreon thing was a bad idea, as was advertising which of the latest games it could play. I dare say they got as greedy as Nintendo, and their double standards regarding piracy just makes them look hypocritical now.

@craiggerhardstein7305

3 ай бұрын

how games are leaked are stores start getting copies about a week before it is officially released and some employee is stealing a copy and dumping the game files.

As a loyal customer of Nintendo, this sort of aggressive behaviour to go after emulation, while offering the worst alternatives is for me absolute disgraceful and makes me reduce my support for this company indefinitely. 💯

@DarkDyllon

3 ай бұрын

reduce in what capacity. instead of buying their console day 1, you might buy it on sale? instead of pre-ordering their games you will just buy it day 1? (or on sale ... nvm, nintendo games don't go on sale) if this was the straw that broke the cammels back, then damn, you had a strong as hell cammel

@kevinhaynie5548

3 ай бұрын

*camel

@came3268

3 ай бұрын

Gonna pay $59.99 for their games instead of $79.99 (until they drop a direct then all is forgiven)

@Leaky_Spigot

3 ай бұрын

Aggressive? Yuzu has been out for years and the developers were profiting off of it. Nintendo is no saint, but that's hardly aggressive. If you don't agree with how they handle things, stop supporting them altogether. Take action to change legislation. As it stands now, blaming Nintendo for "protecting" their assets is absurd. No one is entitled to anything from them, nor is anyone required to support them.

@came3268

3 ай бұрын

@@Leaky_Spigot I don't support them, all my stuff is 2nd hand and modded to be cut off from their ecosystems. My first comment is what the average nintendo fan's reaction is whenever they're upset at big N for something.

All this will do is draw more attention to the emulator and the community will carry it on.

If I'm being perfectly honest it feels like Nintendo's legal team is satisfied with decapitating a dragon and then failed to realize they only took off one head of a hydra.

What happened to Yuzu is unfortunate, because even though emulation will never be taken down, with this attack it was definitely slowed down, and I was hoping that Yuzu devs had just followed through with a counter sue or something, so that emulation could have gotten another win, just like what had happened with the Sony vs Connectix case in regards to Bleem, because thanks to that case its how emulation kind of fell between a gray area, even though the acquisition of the ROMS was the thing that had remained illegal, but it really sucks that Yuzu folded because most of the things that Nintendo mentioned, wasn't even stuff that Yuzu did but rather it was the users that wanted to use Yuzu that needed to do it, so unless Nintendo had a way to sue everyone that hacked their Switch and dumped their roms, they literally had no case whatsoever, and honestly if something like the Game Genie long ago had actually managed to win against Nintendo, then I believe that Yuzu devs also had a good chance to win too, but obviously they would have needed to pay a lot of legal fees in order to work with a lawyer and such, but no matter how costly it would have been, emulation needed to get this win, because it could have done so much more for the community, since Nintendo is the type of company that didn't even want to take responsibility for their faulty Joycon drift issues, which was basically a manufacturing defect, and like Microsoft with the Xbox 360 they should have taken ownership to the fault and given people options to fix it for free, but instead Nintendo had to be sued by people before they actually started repairing the Joycons for free, which again just shows how scummy they are, and the reason why a lot of people don't even cover much of Nintendo stuff in their KZread channels, is because they are afraid of how crazy Nintendo goes with their copyright claims, so its why a lot of people just don't play the games or show them, and even when they made that crappy partnership program that didn't last long, it was complete and utter garbage and some youtubers even actually got copyright strikes, after the program was over because the videos were still up, so thats why since Nintendo doesn't feel like catching up to the times, they needed a big blow that would have made them worrisome so they don't keep doing this crap, but alas Yuzu devs just got scared and backed down without even putting a fight, so even though this action will not kill emulation, the community lost a big chance to put Nintendo in their place.

@YYYZZZ-sk3mf

3 ай бұрын

Maybe in a another time

Let me see if I can shed some light here on Nintendo's antics. I used to work for a Japanese game studio in the past, and am also Japanese so I get the culture a bit here. Japanese companies are relatively old school and do not change with the times unless absolutely forced to. This is why there is the running gag of Japanese businesses still using and preferring fax machines to this day. With that said, Japan, while they are getting more advanced in internet businesses and software, still lag behind the US and other parts of the world (hence why both Nintendo and PlayStation online stuff is not quite there). Japanese businesses are still used to the boxed products and physical goods selling mindset, and translated that mindset onto virtual and digital goods. If you look at it through that lens, it makes sense. When Nintendo went on their KZread video takedowns, it was because they viewed it as "allowing other people to see the contents of the game without paying for it." I have had executives at said Japanese studio literally say this to me in meetings in the past, and us Western folks trying to get them to understand the Western thought process that showing gameplay can and will attract more buyers and fans, but to no avail. To them, sharing gameplay unless they dictated the terms (like a demo) was a lost sale. It was frustrating. With Gary Bowser and his pretty unfair sentencing, Nintendo went overboard protecting their stolen assets as if each hacked Switch cost them a physical, boxed product sale for each download of a title, whether the owner legitimately bought a copy or not. So to me, I was honestly surprised that a Switch emulator like Yuzu existed. That's playing with fire and I'm surprised it wasn't taken down sooner. Although it's Nintendo's own fault for having lax security or encryption that made the games easy to crack and pirate, Nintendo can't go after the pirates, so they went after the easiest outfit that was making money (in the form of donations) because it's a lot easier to convince the court to say "these people are illegally making money off our technology that was stolen. vs. the effort in trying to go after individual pirates for providing the roms." My personal stance as a consumer (to be on the safe side) is that previous console generations and their games are fair to emulate if there are no reasonable ways to purchase and keep the game any more (so if a physical copy is out of print and/or costs ridiculous sums of money, and a downloadable version is not available on a current gen console, then to me that is fair game). Current gen is absolutely out of bounds for me, since that is how these game studios and corporations make money. It's easier when PlayStation and Xbox hardware is harder to emulate and they have PC/Steam versions to download and play. Since there aren't those kinds of hacking limits with a Nintendo Switch , it makes it that much easier to hack and pirate, and then play on an emulator with higher resolutions and performance. So they have to protect their IP's the old fashion way - with lawyers and lawsuits. As for them using emulators for their own projects, I'm not Nintendo, but I would probably see it as them thinking that since it's open source, it's fair game to use it for their own projects? Considering that every project takes time that is limited to x-months or x-years, it's easier to use an emulator that works vs. making their own for current gen hardware.

@user-tp3kf6wo7z

3 ай бұрын

Given what Google is doing with its global digital Great Library, I can totally understand your feelings...

Only really used Emulation for retro consoles but Yuzu is an interesting one for two reasons it's for a current console but it also the games perform better on it than native hardware. I cannot remember another time where both scenarios has happened. Emulation for a current console in the past tended to be janky at best and sided on nothing more than a tech demo to show it can be done.

Sad to hear it i was gonna update mine

@Jonathan900S

3 ай бұрын

I cant afford a switch pc is already a lot of money

F**k Nintendo. TOTK was playable on Ryujinx day one not Yuzu. If Nintendo don't want their stuff pirated, then they should have not have released such an anemic system. I'm also pissed that Citra is gone.

@polarvortex6601

3 ай бұрын

citra is the real victim here. they aint gonna realease more 3ds for the pro corporate fanboys that are celebrating this nintendo win tonight. they are losing too and they dont know it because they might have a working 3ds today but tomorrow who knows, right? idiots

@Scriptingzs

3 ай бұрын

**cough** Open Source Forks **cough**

@Eduardo1007

3 ай бұрын

By the way, which of the emulators is better for TOTK nowadays? "asking for a friend"

Honestly, they probably would have gotten more sales on totk if it wasnt 70 for a dlc

A real bummer, luckily, open source! I feel the only reason this went to settlement is they knew it would be an even more costly long drawn out court battle. They would have won in my opinion - but sadly we'll never know.

@Adamtendo_player_1

3 ай бұрын

They would’ve lost Nintendo isn’t stupid. They clearly had been researching this emulator for a long time, and they knew they had a case against the developers of the emulator.

That letter is the most "gun to the head" letter I have ever seen

Ryujinx and Cemu is next

@Tracenji

3 ай бұрын

i doubt Nintendo will go after Cemu, if they wanted to take it down they would have tried years ago since Cemu has been able to play Wii U games great for years, it was even able to connect to the online services and games before i assume they shut it down along with the Wii U Eshop it's most likely that Nintendo caught the Yuzu dev team doing something else that would doom any defense the Yuzu team might have such as the rumors i have heard of the dev team having a stash of ripped switch games that they shared with each other which would count as committing piracy

How does one even kill an open source project?

From what I've heard Yuzu's team was mostly private/hidden and if this went to court they'd have to reveal the identities of their devs. There's been some speculation that Yuzu or at least members of it's team may have had ties to piracy or at the very least used code that wasn't legitimately obtained which would help explain how fast this moved from a court filing with absolutely nothing to it (any competent judge should've thrown the case out) to Yuzu being removed entirely (at least officially). More troubling is that they apparently had a lot of telemetry data which is now in Nintendo's hands, this apparently includes names and IPs of users which could lead to further actions against individuals who simply can't afford to fight back no matter how bullshit the claims are (and of course there's plenty of judges who are not competent or are easily paid off). Fortunately it's unlikely Nintendo will just randomly target some users like that, it cost them a lot of money as well so if they're going to sue it's probably going to be a big target. A lot of the problems with Nintendo's attitude stems from them being an old fashioned Japanese company. Many of Japan's copyright laws are completely ass backwards and from my understanding they don't even have fair use laws in Japan. Some other Japanese companies have learned to embrace fair use but Nintendo's heads are still stuck in the past. Hopefully as younger guys start to take over and the older guys start to retire we'll see a change of attitude. I love many of Nintendo's first party games and want to support the developers but at the same time I don't want to support the company. At least with Apple (who are also terribly anti-consumer but far better at brainwashing their fan base) I can use alternative products which are often just as good if not better (perhaps after a couple generations tbf but I'm patient enough).

Honestly I think they sued to acquire Yuzu code to help backwards compatibility or Switch game performance on the Switch 2, or to use it for some kind of online/streaming Switch service. They know the code base will continue to be worked on but if they have a paid product that does the same thing for sale, emulation of Switch games will be a lot easier to call piracy even after the Switch ends production.

@SlowRkers

3 ай бұрын

So instead of making their own emulator they steal it legally instead? that's scummy

@ronsantos8343

3 ай бұрын

Steal it and get paid for it 💀​@@SlowRkers

@R1IY2N

3 ай бұрын

@@SlowRkersnot surprising though

@yoshikami7625

3 ай бұрын

Why would they need a third party emulator to emulate their own software? This doesn't make sense.

@SlowRkers

3 ай бұрын

@@yoshikami7625 Remember this is nintendo we're talking about here, they're not the most tech savvy out there

I think one annoying thing about emulation is that some people played the leak version and streamed online before the release date (as in the case of TotK). If you play emulation and do no harm to the community then I'm totally fine with it. Pirating games that are no longer available is OK, but pirating a game when and even before it releases is another thing.

my thoughts is that i'm not buying anything by nintendo anymore. All the gig with citra angered me slightly. My 2ds is broken. I have to emulate to play the games i still have

@paolocasilag5942

3 ай бұрын

Same to my 3ds too too bad i need to restart everything to square one on the emulator not using the citra sadly its too late to me to download until i wait the internet to re-upload it since some of the users have preserve that, im relief at the same time since i have physical copies from my 3ds preserve

This has sent shockwaves throughout emulation as a whole. The DraStic DS emulator is soon to be pulled from the play store and a developer of a gba/gbc emulator have pulled their own emulators. This Yuzu situation has spooked people and I feel it's only going to get worse from here.

Let's give a salute to Citra

I've wanted a Nintendo Switch since release but I cannot in good conscience give them money.

@DurzoBlunts

3 ай бұрын

Buy a used console and or refurbished and you're not giving Nintendo a dime

@muckymucks

3 ай бұрын

@@DurzoBlunts They're still not going to do that. They want everything for free.

@FranciscoFJM

3 ай бұрын

Why do you care@@muckymucks

@muckymucks

3 ай бұрын

@@FranciscoFJM If someone comments publicly they open themselves up to replies from a wide variety of opinions. Free speech is a double-edged sword.

@FranciscoFJM

3 ай бұрын

Well i pirate Nintendo stuff since forever and im yet to see anything happen to me. Any minute now...@@muckymucks

I think that the biggest problem with Yuzu, as a thing, is that it was emulating a system that is still alive. It wasn’t GameCube or Wii, it was Nintendo’s current system. That it was emulating it isn’t bad, but that was their sword of Damocles. I don’t have a system that can run yuzu or probably even citra, but I love the idea of being able to play better versions of the games I own on a PC. That’s cool especially since the controller I use for switch can also work on the PC. That being said, emulation on older systems shouldn’t be touched by any company for one specific reason. They aren’t selling the games. I’m not saying pirate the games, but emulation of the 3DO impacts no one, hell, pirating those games impacts no one. I don’t know the status of all Nintendo systems, like which storefronts still exist, but if they don’t exist, emulation should exist for those systems and Nintendo should actively encourage it for one simple reason (and that includes Citra if applicable) and that is because it provides them free blueprints of what people want in an emulation experience. In the end, I feel bad for the developers who were just doing what nerds do. I’m also tempted to go find both yuzu and Citra in case I ever have a non potato.

@angryzergling7832

3 ай бұрын

Even though I own a Switch and TOTK for it, I chose to emulate it on PC because I wanted a higher resolution and framerate on a nice big screen.

the problem on yuzu part was, the emulation was ok as they were not using the original code intended for the Switch itself, but they got too cocky and started asking money via Patreon and donations, and even went as far as charge people to play online at one point.

R.I.P Yuzu. When RetroArch goes down - it's gonna be all over red rover!

@SionynJones

3 ай бұрын

that's why we must stand up against this. This is an attack on the whole of the retro gaming community.

@Cyko..

3 ай бұрын

I can see Yuzu going because of what it did, but if RetroArch ever leaves I'd be pretty sad. They are the backbone to things like Batocera.

@DoinThatRag

3 ай бұрын

What? Retroarch isn't even an emulator. It's a frontend that imports emulators written by other people. Retroarch is fine. It may have a more limited choice of emulators made available, but as it is only a frontend and nothing more, it will be fine.

@DungarooTV

3 ай бұрын

@@DoinThatRagYes but it facilitates the download of cores which are essentially emulators!

My take has always been Nintendo does not hate emulators. They hate free ones that let people bypass paying. Even in the Wii era the Genesis emulator used on VG was all done in a legal way. Nintendo and Sega cut a deal. It's not like Nintendo was hosting Sega Genesis ROM downloads without Sega knowing. Sega made money on the sells. The problem is not emulators are bad. The problem is free emulators you are not paying for are bad as they are viewed as stealing. Even old games are still under copyright and trademark so Nintendo just wants people to buy games they allow in a legal way. Switch online is the same way. Sega gets a cut of the profits for Genesis games. Any game not made by Nintendo the owners get a small cut. So even if it's an NES game if Capcom made it they get a cut and they allow the game to be on the service. Nintendo wants people to use a legal emulator and not a free one that lets you play anything. Nintendo makes or hosts legal emulators because they know those would be payed for. It was never the emulators it was always stop playing games for free.

It's so crazy to me that pirates are considered heroes these days when decades ago pirates were a bad thing. They became heroes as soon as DRM became a thing which ruined your ability to keep anything you ever buy from anywhere... Cept for GOG. Preservation since then suddenly became incredibly important and companies aren't doing anything to protect the existence of the media since they're job is to publish and make revenue. They have no legal reason to preserve anything, it's metaphorically and quite literally-NOT THEIR BUSINESS. Developers should have some form of archival system so that they can recover, only then is DRM ok so long as the product itself never becomes lost media, in which case yeah-pirates are bad. EXCEPT THAT'S NOT THE CASE!!!

@MichaelPohoreski

3 ай бұрын

In the 1980’s it was ruled we have the RIGHT to backup our software. Nintendo is abusing the DRM to stop people from this right.

@getermoura

3 ай бұрын

There's no such thing as preservation of current gen consoles.

@HedgehogY2K

3 ай бұрын

@@getermoura... Really? No developer is making any effort to preserve their modern titles? Or am I reading your reply wrong? Could you elaborate please.

@getermoura

3 ай бұрын

@@HedgehogY2K dunno if you're a dev or not but code written by any employee for a company it's company IP. That's standard for forever. They decide for how long they will make it available. For them to make old games from previous generations available every single gen costs a lot of labor time developing emulators and sometimes individual games hacks to make their emulation work. Its not free. Far from that. Not making an old title from old hardware available on your device of choice its not an crime. Switch emulation started really soon during switch life cycle and for sure did not preserve anything for this CURRENT GEN. Only brought damage to Nintendo through piracy. Next thing you know you'll be demanding they create new content to be pirated. And "you suck cause you want us to pay and don't want us to steal the product of your hundreds of artist and engineers."

@HedgehogY2K

3 ай бұрын

@@getermoura First of all, thanks for the compliment on the first sentence. I didn't know I could honestly pass as one of those during a conversation. Number 2, I can't argue with that. I just care about preservation is all.

Did you change your camera? The picture is so...soft. I loved your setup. Maybe the lights are messing it up 🤔

My thought on emulators is emulating obsolete systems and hardware should always be allowable (enabling you to play legally owned games for systems no longer supported or available).

I had an eye on what was happening around TotKs release. Yuzu didn't do anything wrong, they were adamant that they were supporting the piracy of Zelda and would not update the emu for anything geared toward TotK. They simply existed and someone at Nintendo leaked the game. It really wasn't Yuzus fault. Nintendo hates it's fans. Not because of this but for ALL the things they do to suppress the ppl who enjoy their games.

@cmdrfokker

3 ай бұрын

Pirates aren't fans of anything but getting games for free.

@craiggerhardstein7305

3 ай бұрын

it probably was a walmart warehouse or amamzon warehouse employee that leaked the game they get copies a week or 2 before the release date so they can ship them to customers and stores by the release date. I worked for DHL Express at the CVG airport during the switch release and 2 weeks before it was released every single console for the USA was on my fork lift as I was unloading all the freight from Asia that night.

The statement of yuzu actually makes sense. Though I see piracy of nintendo games on pc more as a service problem because they have no offical distribution of their games on this platform. So all the people who can't afford their console or simply don't want one will use emulators instead if their computers are otherwise powerful enough. I actually really like the direction of Sony releasing their games on pc a couple of years later, this strategy in turn also drastically reduces the demand for an emulator and I am certain yuzu would have had a lot less success if Nintendo would've done the same

@TerranigmaQuintet

3 ай бұрын

Sure they cannot afford their systems, yet they can afford the hardware to properly emulate the Switch lol. Its more that most PC gamers are entitled twats nowadays that want to play all games out there regardless the fact they are spoiled for choice already. Nintendo is a business they can decide for themselves who they want to cater to or not, its a free market. if you do not like it, you can ignore them, you have choice aplenty gameswise to play.

@jordanwardle11

3 ай бұрын

It's the challenge. The easiest way to stop emulator development is to use an x86 cpu. Just look at how far behind original Xbox emulation is

Part of me wonders if this is a ploy, at least to some level of degree - if Nintendo has internal developers, working on emulation for NSO. Who is to say that they aren’t going to reverse engineer Yuzu and use it as their primary backwards compatibility engine on the next Nintendo Switch? God knows, conspiracy theory, I know. But still, it would be cool - if they would give the credit to the original developers. But I also heard that Yuzu made some mistakes. Either way - that’s my hot take! Great video as always!

The Citra claim makes me now actually believe that new Switch will have two screens.