I believe they should have given a medal for her on that day...Actually her performance was the best of all and it deserved for a medal. I heard that she had decided to retire. I'll really miss her.
@japaneseSabse14 жыл бұрын
The strangest worlds ever in my opinion! I felt so sorry for her!
@geoboe84
7 жыл бұрын
Hime Haidogirl Yep, completely agree. Lots of bad judging. This deserved the gold medal by far!
The 3A looked close to me. This was before they started marking URs. Everything just got downgraded if not 3/4 of the way around. Very unfortunate for her. She also got a downgrade on her 3F. She was undermarked on PCS. This is a tough one to score. Kostner was first in the short and Yuna 5th--five points behind Mao and Carolina. Yukari was 3rd, 3 points behind the leader. She would have had to make up around 5 points to get the bronze here--difficult to do with the downgrades. I think she just had the misfortune to skate during the COP era at its worst.
@timothyhh
8 жыл бұрын
COP era at its worst -- I totally agree! Long programs basically became about ticking off the requirements while music played in the background which didn't matter because the PCS was even less connected to reality than it is now. It's gotten better over the years, but I still miss the old 6.0 system.
@bryronify8 жыл бұрын
This performance deserves a very very close 2nd, if not then at least a bronze.
@MyJustin9913 жыл бұрын
彼女が一番輝いた瞬間かな。メダル獲らせてあげたかったね。本当の 評価は歓声聞けばよくわかりますね。
@OAMARQUINA11 жыл бұрын
Magnificent, she should have won! Just robbed!
@nenusia12314 жыл бұрын
beautiful skating...she deserved 2 place overall
@SDoesNotKnow13 жыл бұрын
I think Yukari's placement is the worst robbery in the COP-era.
@triplelutz1712 жыл бұрын
She should have been the world champion.
@skatefan949513 жыл бұрын
Wasn't Carolina Kostner on the podium here after several mistakes? In what world would that be better than Yukari's beautiful free skate?
@mlc200512 жыл бұрын
If you're a nerd like me and you look at the way the judges mark the different elements, occassionally you'll find some crazy marking. For example, for her final spin (the flying camel), she gets 8 GOE marks of +2 and 3 GOE marks of +3 (an enormous statement, especially in 2008). However, judge number three gives her a GOE of -2!!!!! What the fuck is that all about???? I hate when stupid shit like that happens.
@intldawn7 жыл бұрын
It's nuts how much lower the total scores were back then. This wasn't even 10 years ago and ladies in the top ten are getting total scores that would barely pass for long program scores now. Just nuts how much the sport has changed.
@evanperilstein5308
6 жыл бұрын
intldawn The sport really hasn’t changed THAT much since then. The top ladies were attempting triple-triples and difficult spins and footwork, but they were much stricter about levels back then and the main change is there has been huge inflation in the amount of PCS they give out. Yuna, Mao and Carolina were only getting around 60 points for PCS at the time, whereas Evgenia and Carolina are getting 76 points now. And the skating has only really changed in the amount and difficulty of transitions, and maybe backloading of programs. That’s pretty much it.
Shouldve placed higher than kostner, not yuna or mao though. Mao deserved her title, yuna deserved silver and yukari deserved bronze
@1201091913 жыл бұрын
佐藤コーチも、メダルとらせてあげたかっただろうね・・・。
@StewNWT12 жыл бұрын
the greatest alltime robbery in the ladies event - Yukari was ROBBED
@midorimar14 жыл бұрын
Honestly Yukari's skating was better than Mao Asada in this competition. Did you hear the audience esp after she did 3A? It's a shame that she couldn't go to the Olympics and finally quit. By the way it's said she's one of the victims of Yuna-Kim. Her donuts spin in the end is breath-takingly beautiful.
@rebarbingo12 жыл бұрын
点数が低いから観客からジャッジに対してブーイングがおきてるよ。
@nondescriptnyc11 жыл бұрын
Dick Button thought she may have won over Mao that evening. He was speechless when he found out that Yukari didn't even win a medal.
@intldawn14 жыл бұрын
I agree. Yukari was cheated. This was the performance of the night and everyone knew it. I'm not even so much offended that she didn't win, but how could Kostner be the silver medalist after such a shaky long program? I've never understood that. Yukari should have been second, at least, and Kostner no better than 4th. You have to downgrade the triple axel. It was clearly short. A couple of the other jumps were close, too, so I understand that. But Kostner beat her by four points in the LP! How is that possible? Mao only beat Carolina in the long by one point. I just...I don't understand
@i2holiday15 жыл бұрын
not medaled but WON !!! If her triple axel hadn't been underrotated she would have won the gold.
@pinto8910014 жыл бұрын
@TheYousum I think that's a little unfair. Yu-Na definitely did enough to be on the podium. The one who I was baffled to see on it was Carolina Kostner. IMHO it should have been as follows: Gold-Mao Silver-Yu-Na and Bronze-Yukari because although her performance was much more enjoyable (for me) than Yu-Na's, she did have that cheated triple axel. Either way, it was fantastic and definitely the highlight performance of Yukari's career.
@jabolanos16 жыл бұрын
robbed! her 3 axel got 3.50 and -1.26 :( but she looked happy when she knew she put a new bs
@sixfootpianist716 жыл бұрын
who cares she's beautiful
@cleoambrosia11 жыл бұрын
She got totally screwed. Carolina Kostner did not deserve a medal. Yuna was over-marked. But then again, Yukari ALWAYS got screwed.
@CocoTheLovelyCat
4 жыл бұрын
You don’t even mention anything about Mao winning a gold with just doing nothing for 20 secs after falling but saying Yuna is over marked? Can’t stop laughing
@cibone5857
3 жыл бұрын
@@CocoTheLovelyCat No Mao's point is 120, which is reasonable. Kim was overscored.
@CocoTheLovelyCat
3 жыл бұрын
@@cibone5857 Mao’s 120 pts was reasonable without doing anything for 20 seconds after falling down? Ok, it’s pretty reasonable compared to her over-scored marks at her early career. Yuna did perfect job at the LP except for popping up only one jump.
@cibone5857
3 жыл бұрын
@@CocoTheLovelyCat Yeah that does not matter very much. Mao just failed one jump as well as Yuna. Mao tried two 3-3, so her program is technically more difficult than Yuna's. Also, Yuna's artistry lacks in the LP. Overall, Mao's LP was better than Yuna's.
@cibone5857
3 жыл бұрын
And Mao was not overscored in her late career lol
@3tsubaki914 жыл бұрын
@intldawn Yeah, I remember Kostner's jumps hardly landed cleanly. She usually is a graceful skater with great ability but that night she was not. In a way that strange result was unhappy for also Kostner not only Yukari...
@BmcC1029 жыл бұрын
Yukari should have been silver, Mao gold, Carolina the bronze.
@evanperilstein5308
6 жыл бұрын
BmcC102 No, Carolina shouldn’t have been on the podium, not Yuna. Carolina made way too many mistakes in the lp. Yuna had one fall in the short, but she won the lp. Carolina’s PCS was too high for all of the mistakes she made, and Yukari’s PCS was too low. Yuna was uncharacteristically listless and just going through the motions, but she was judged fairly for delivering a technically decent, relatively clean, well skated and well choreographed long.
i think yukari had to win in here and next is yuna and mao cuz carolina did terrible skating in fs. it showed how terrible isu is. dirty.
@bryronify
8 жыл бұрын
+한현석 no, it just shows how terrible and biased a Korean you are. You expect Yuna to get 2nd with such a horrible program. And don't get me started with her (Yuna's) Lip (wrong edged Flip) that never got a deduction!
@evanperilstein5308
6 жыл бұрын
bryronify I’m American and I can objectively say that Yuna had the cleanest lp that night. She won the lp. And she never did a lip. Her flip was always off a straight or very slight inside edge. The flip is supposed to be taken off of a slight inside edge, not a super obvious one. Watch Michael Weiss’s video about Yuna’s flip. He was a world medalist and he said it’s correct technique. Even the ISU training videos show that it’s correct technique.
@cibone5857
3 жыл бұрын
Yuna's performance was boring. Mao obviously performed better than Yuna that night. Mao gold, Yukari silver, Yuna bronze.
@victorialee815111 жыл бұрын
definitely one of the top performances that evening.... but her jumps are not that impressive.... she just didn't fall. With positions like that you can't expect to medal in major competitions. Her lines are good but not out of ordinary at that level and the unmemorable choreography didn't help her in getting more component points...she simply didn't stand out in any elements... she skated clean and got high marks for that...
@evanperilstein5308
6 жыл бұрын
Victoria Lee She had fabulous spins that were fast and very well-centered with good positions, and her choreography was actually pretty good and went with the music.
@dc1992100013 жыл бұрын
It was so ridiculous that Yukari was robbed here. Regardless of whether or not she put in that many underotations, it was inappropriate of the new system to penalize skaters in that way. From a purely empirical point-of-view, she should be on the podium, period. Perhaps even higher, because she did land the 3axel and gave an overall strong performance, though the overall content was weaker than Asada or Kim's.
@cibone58573 жыл бұрын
Why was Kim on the podium? Totally corrupted...Yukari deserved a medal:(((
@TheYousum14 жыл бұрын
Bronze medal shouldn't be given to Kim, but Yukari! Terrible judges and ISU!
@jabolanos16 жыл бұрын
robbed! her 3 axel got 3.50 and -1.26 :( but she looked happy when she knew she put a new bs
Пікірлер: 56
2022年暮れ。 今見てもメダルに届かなかったのが信じられない。 見事なフリースケーティングでさした。
Yukari deserved a medal.
結果は変えられないけど、何度見ても、胸が熱くなる演技です。 だからこそ、結果が悔しいですよね。 引退後に改めて見ると、いろいろな意味合いの涙が出てきます…。
I believe they should have given a medal for her on that day...Actually her performance was the best of all and it deserved for a medal. I heard that she had decided to retire. I'll really miss her.
The strangest worlds ever in my opinion! I felt so sorry for her!
@geoboe84
7 жыл бұрын
Hime Haidogirl Yep, completely agree. Lots of bad judging. This deserved the gold medal by far!
フリーでは、貴方が一番輝いていました。
この動画は、いつまでも残しておく価値があると思う。
この演技でなぜ４位なのか、さっぱり理解できません。 フリーでは、恐らく誰よりも観客の心に響くすばらしい演技だったはずなのに…。正直、浅田真央選手よりも上に来るべき点数を出す演技だったと思います。 彼女的にもこの演技をピークに、選手としては下り坂に向かってしまったのが残念でした。 ここで優勝できていれば、何らかの形でスケート界に残ってくれた 可能性もあるだけに、本当に残念でなりません。
3AのDGはまだ納得できるけど３FのDGは今でも不可解。なんとか文句付けられないぐらいギリギリまで下げたって感じがする。スピンとか巻き足でないジャンプにもう少し加点があっていいはず 私の中では中野さんが優勝です
The 3A looked close to me. This was before they started marking URs. Everything just got downgraded if not 3/4 of the way around. Very unfortunate for her. She also got a downgrade on her 3F. She was undermarked on PCS. This is a tough one to score. Kostner was first in the short and Yuna 5th--five points behind Mao and Carolina. Yukari was 3rd, 3 points behind the leader. She would have had to make up around 5 points to get the bronze here--difficult to do with the downgrades. I think she just had the misfortune to skate during the COP era at its worst.
@timothyhh
8 жыл бұрын
COP era at its worst -- I totally agree! Long programs basically became about ticking off the requirements while music played in the background which didn't matter because the PCS was even less connected to reality than it is now. It's gotten better over the years, but I still miss the old 6.0 system.
This performance deserves a very very close 2nd, if not then at least a bronze.
彼女が一番輝いた瞬間かな。メダル獲らせてあげたかったね。本当の 評価は歓声聞けばよくわかりますね。
Magnificent, she should have won! Just robbed!
beautiful skating...she deserved 2 place overall
I think Yukari's placement is the worst robbery in the COP-era.
She should have been the world champion.
Wasn't Carolina Kostner on the podium here after several mistakes? In what world would that be better than Yukari's beautiful free skate?
If you're a nerd like me and you look at the way the judges mark the different elements, occassionally you'll find some crazy marking. For example, for her final spin (the flying camel), she gets 8 GOE marks of +2 and 3 GOE marks of +3 (an enormous statement, especially in 2008). However, judge number three gives her a GOE of -2!!!!! What the fuck is that all about???? I hate when stupid shit like that happens.
It's nuts how much lower the total scores were back then. This wasn't even 10 years ago and ladies in the top ten are getting total scores that would barely pass for long program scores now. Just nuts how much the sport has changed.
@evanperilstein5308
6 жыл бұрын
intldawn The sport really hasn’t changed THAT much since then. The top ladies were attempting triple-triples and difficult spins and footwork, but they were much stricter about levels back then and the main change is there has been huge inflation in the amount of PCS they give out. Yuna, Mao and Carolina were only getting around 60 points for PCS at the time, whereas Evgenia and Carolina are getting 76 points now. And the skating has only really changed in the amount and difficulty of transitions, and maybe backloading of programs. That’s pretty much it.
これは 中野さんに優勝して欲しかった…。 6.0システム下だったとしたら どんな結果になっていたのでしょうか。
Shouldve placed higher than kostner, not yuna or mao though. Mao deserved her title, yuna deserved silver and yukari deserved bronze
佐藤コーチも、メダルとらせてあげたかっただろうね・・・。
the greatest alltime robbery in the ladies event - Yukari was ROBBED
Honestly Yukari's skating was better than Mao Asada in this competition. Did you hear the audience esp after she did 3A? It's a shame that she couldn't go to the Olympics and finally quit. By the way it's said she's one of the victims of Yuna-Kim. Her donuts spin in the end is breath-takingly beautiful.
点数が低いから観客からジャッジに対してブーイングがおきてるよ。
Dick Button thought she may have won over Mao that evening. He was speechless when he found out that Yukari didn't even win a medal.
I agree. Yukari was cheated. This was the performance of the night and everyone knew it. I'm not even so much offended that she didn't win, but how could Kostner be the silver medalist after such a shaky long program? I've never understood that. Yukari should have been second, at least, and Kostner no better than 4th. You have to downgrade the triple axel. It was clearly short. A couple of the other jumps were close, too, so I understand that. But Kostner beat her by four points in the LP! How is that possible? Mao only beat Carolina in the long by one point. I just...I don't understand
not medaled but WON !!! If her triple axel hadn't been underrotated she would have won the gold.
@TheYousum I think that's a little unfair. Yu-Na definitely did enough to be on the podium. The one who I was baffled to see on it was Carolina Kostner. IMHO it should have been as follows: Gold-Mao Silver-Yu-Na and Bronze-Yukari because although her performance was much more enjoyable (for me) than Yu-Na's, she did have that cheated triple axel. Either way, it was fantastic and definitely the highlight performance of Yukari's career.
robbed! her 3 axel got 3.50 and -1.26 :( but she looked happy when she knew she put a new bs
who cares she's beautiful
She got totally screwed. Carolina Kostner did not deserve a medal. Yuna was over-marked. But then again, Yukari ALWAYS got screwed.
@CocoTheLovelyCat
4 жыл бұрын
You don’t even mention anything about Mao winning a gold with just doing nothing for 20 secs after falling but saying Yuna is over marked? Can’t stop laughing
@cibone5857
3 жыл бұрын
@@CocoTheLovelyCat No Mao's point is 120, which is reasonable. Kim was overscored.
@CocoTheLovelyCat
3 жыл бұрын
@@cibone5857 Mao’s 120 pts was reasonable without doing anything for 20 seconds after falling down? Ok, it’s pretty reasonable compared to her over-scored marks at her early career. Yuna did perfect job at the LP except for popping up only one jump.
@cibone5857
3 жыл бұрын
@@CocoTheLovelyCat Yeah that does not matter very much. Mao just failed one jump as well as Yuna. Mao tried two 3-3, so her program is technically more difficult than Yuna's. Also, Yuna's artistry lacks in the LP. Overall, Mao's LP was better than Yuna's.
@cibone5857
3 жыл бұрын
And Mao was not overscored in her late career lol
@intldawn Yeah, I remember Kostner's jumps hardly landed cleanly. She usually is a graceful skater with great ability but that night she was not. In a way that strange result was unhappy for also Kostner not only Yukari...
Yukari should have been silver, Mao gold, Carolina the bronze.
@evanperilstein5308
6 жыл бұрын
BmcC102 No, Carolina shouldn’t have been on the podium, not Yuna. Carolina made way too many mistakes in the lp. Yuna had one fall in the short, but she won the lp. Carolina’s PCS was too high for all of the mistakes she made, and Yukari’s PCS was too low. Yuna was uncharacteristically listless and just going through the motions, but she was judged fairly for delivering a technically decent, relatively clean, well skated and well choreographed long.
これで４位はおかしい。３位が疑惑のスカプロの人じゃなければなぁ・・・フィギュアスケートの採点は死亡なり・・・
i think yukari had to win in here and next is yuna and mao cuz carolina did terrible skating in fs. it showed how terrible isu is. dirty.
@bryronify
8 жыл бұрын
+한현석 no, it just shows how terrible and biased a Korean you are. You expect Yuna to get 2nd with such a horrible program. And don't get me started with her (Yuna's) Lip (wrong edged Flip) that never got a deduction!
@evanperilstein5308
6 жыл бұрын
bryronify I’m American and I can objectively say that Yuna had the cleanest lp that night. She won the lp. And she never did a lip. Her flip was always off a straight or very slight inside edge. The flip is supposed to be taken off of a slight inside edge, not a super obvious one. Watch Michael Weiss’s video about Yuna’s flip. He was a world medalist and he said it’s correct technique. Even the ISU training videos show that it’s correct technique.
@cibone5857
3 жыл бұрын
Yuna's performance was boring. Mao obviously performed better than Yuna that night. Mao gold, Yukari silver, Yuna bronze.
definitely one of the top performances that evening.... but her jumps are not that impressive.... she just didn't fall. With positions like that you can't expect to medal in major competitions. Her lines are good but not out of ordinary at that level and the unmemorable choreography didn't help her in getting more component points...she simply didn't stand out in any elements... she skated clean and got high marks for that...
@evanperilstein5308
6 жыл бұрын
Victoria Lee She had fabulous spins that were fast and very well-centered with good positions, and her choreography was actually pretty good and went with the music.
It was so ridiculous that Yukari was robbed here. Regardless of whether or not she put in that many underotations, it was inappropriate of the new system to penalize skaters in that way. From a purely empirical point-of-view, she should be on the podium, period. Perhaps even higher, because she did land the 3axel and gave an overall strong performance, though the overall content was weaker than Asada or Kim's.
Why was Kim on the podium? Totally corrupted...Yukari deserved a medal:(((
Bronze medal shouldn't be given to Kim, but Yukari! Terrible judges and ISU!
robbed! her 3 axel got 3.50 and -1.26 :( but she looked happy when she knew she put a new bs