This video does not consider wild, it is when the card was in standard.

@lucario9054

Жыл бұрын

Funny how you had to make this comment and pin it because of how many players were using wild to say a card is good when the video is obviously about the cards while they were in standard rotation.

@silvanobianchini6924

Жыл бұрын

No worries, no harm done : ) it would be great if, during future videos of this series, you could at least briefly mentioning wild in the analysis : )

@smwg4187

Жыл бұрын

Well you're still wrong

@kalashydra9016

Жыл бұрын

would be cool if you gave both sides of the coin

@vasile4761

Жыл бұрын

I think you should add small clips for the cards after they are talked about to show to the viewers and the guest how the card was played (for example 30s clip of the il gynoth combo). Not needed for all cards.

8 months later, Pure Paladin is nuts and The Countess is good.

@emrea.4500

10 ай бұрын

Yeah XD

@rivetace

10 ай бұрын

It got even better in Titans, even though you can't discover titans. Freya, Keeper of Nature, Hodir, Father of Giants, and Ra-Den are all nutty picks off of The Countess.

@chuckydee2951

9 ай бұрын

Stevie was right all along, the community just didn't know it yet.

@Yerocco

8 ай бұрын

@@chuckydee2951there was a video I saw that was guessing yugioh cards. They mentioned how they turned a thought about how it could be good and a player made it really good. I wish I had more info.

@ROYBGP

8 ай бұрын

Stevie knew what he was talking about!

0:31 "you should probably read the card" Rarran using environmental storytelling to demonstrate that he isn't a Yu-gi-oh player

@Noobie2k7

Жыл бұрын

"Cards have text on them?" - Average yugioh player.

@HazeEmry

Жыл бұрын

For example I love the Tri-Brigade art and concept but I'll be damned if I ever read the cards 😂

@WavemasterAshi

Жыл бұрын

@@Noobie2k7 "I never noticed, they all just get negated anyways."

@Sayurawesome11

Жыл бұрын

this

@renaldyhaen

Жыл бұрын

English isn't my main language and I play YGO since I was kid in GBA and PSP. I just try the cards and follow the light and notification, and figuring out the effect from there. So, basically it is how I learn YGO.

Seeing Rarran's closure at Stevie wildly misevaluating cards instead of the reverse is very funny

Stevie is like a fungus, he's growing on me. He did a great job as a guest. I respect his decisiveness and confidence on his card analysis.

@3thern

Жыл бұрын

And the belle Delphine shirt just rounds it out nicely

@JimnyThePython

Жыл бұрын

Is he a fungus or a fungi?

@Opno

Жыл бұрын

He's really endearing. And he reminds me of every single yu gi oh kid I ever knew

@vincentiusmarioslametprako5569

Жыл бұрын

You could say he is one kind of fungi

Well, the reason why Reno the Relicologist saw play was because of Zephrys. People thought Reno would be weak because Reno's effect wasn't enough to justify running highlander. But Zephrys, which was revealed later, was good enough to play highlander (even in classes with no other highlander support). And if you're already playing a highlander deck, obviously you put Reno in it.

@brabhamF1

Жыл бұрын

Reno was also good because mage is generally a good class to play a highlander deck with. And Reno the Relicologist was a body with removal, which has always been insane. Basically this card was 3+1/3 arcane missiles+ a 4/6 for 6 mana. And the aggro decks were mostly board flood decks at that time, so as Rarran said, if you draw this on curve (and you are playing Highlander decks, the most variance in decks you could have) yu just outright win the game against like 1/2 of the meta. So yeah, Zephrys was another strong incentive to play this card, but the big thing is that mage is just a strong highlander class in general (due to at least at that time, te insane amount of high quality cards in the class), so their payoff highlander card had to be weaker.

@JaykTheJackal

Жыл бұрын

@@brabhamF1 I think I agree with most of that. I don't think Reno was good enough *by himself* to play Highlander, but Mage did have better individual card quality and, importantly, better *Legendary* card quality than the other Highlander classes (Luna's Pocket Galaxy, Stargazer Luna, Astromancer Solarian, etc), and this context being missed is probably what led to the incorrect evaluation. Because obviously a 6 mana 4/6 that deals 10 damage to the enemy board is pretty good. That's like a vilespine slayer, but better on average. Question was whether you would play highlander *for that*, is it worth putting that sort of handicap on your deck for a board clear, couldn't you just play a normal deck and have all the board clears you want more consistently. Zephrys is the all in one. It's a win condition. It's a board clear. It's tempo. It's value. That changed things.

It's a shame we didn't see Stevie's reaction to Renathal, i think any YGO player would wince at that card lmao

@WavemasterAshi

Жыл бұрын

"Oh, so it's That Grass Looks Greener..."

@tomhoffs8209

Жыл бұрын

While historically you are correct, 60 card decks are actually really popular in the last 2ish years of YGO.

@shinobuoshinoisbestgirl5778

Жыл бұрын

@@tomhoffs8209 wait why did grass get unbanned?

@joshualee6536

Жыл бұрын

@@shinobuoshinoisbestgirl5778 grass isn't unbanned. 60 card decks were popular the last 2 formats for completely different reasons

@federicodc

Жыл бұрын

@@shinobuoshinoisbestgirl5778 it's unbanned in Master Duel. Plus in the TCG sometimes you can just play 5 different engines and make a pile out of them and it works.

A little bit unfair to call countess a bad card just because paladin is bad right now. It's consistently a top performer in a very underpowered deck and it's odd to conflate a card's power with the entire class's strength.

@jancojicanoder

Жыл бұрын

Indeed, now Paladin is playable and the countess is doing really great Because it is a good card, the problem wasn't even paladin, it was an oppressive class that if you wasn't playing that class or the counter/second best class, you just lose or hope for your opponent to have bad luck

@jackfeinstein722

7 ай бұрын

A full year later and you're just 100% right holy shit

@ROYBGP

3 ай бұрын

You're a genius.

I know Wild isnt taken into consideration, but when Rarram said "Shark is horrible" I had so many pillager rogue flashbacks 😳

@christopherbronson3275

Жыл бұрын

I had Mill rogue flashbacks...

@spidery7618

Жыл бұрын

Nah, Spirit of the Shark is and always was absolute ass. The only reason it's good right now is because of Scabbs, where it's a case of two mediocre/bad cards with very unique effects coming together to form a disgusting combo.

@christopherbronson3275

Жыл бұрын

@@spidery7618 what? SotS was one of the few playable spirit cards.

@Rainbow_Sheep

Жыл бұрын

@@spidery7618 shark is literally the core of pillager rogue, a top 3 combo deck in wild, what are you talking about

@countryinnmotel9824

Жыл бұрын

@@Rainbow_Sheep it was bad in standard. People played it despite the stats suggesting that the deck was better with no sharks. I don't play wild because I'm not a pervert.

Imagine if Nozdormu was in standard at the same time as Guff, you could use it to decrease their crystals. Niche and tech as hell, but I bet funny as hell.

@trokolisz3702

Жыл бұрын

There is a card in whild that sets both player to 5mana i think

@hugo_luca_1772

Жыл бұрын

@@trokolisz3702 yeap zihi

@maddermanner7776

Жыл бұрын

I do that in wild quit often. Niche, but a very fun interaction

I feel like Rarran completely forgot about Cheese Paladin, which is what made Nozdormu so good (thanks to the murloc that draws a dragon), as well as put High Priestess over the top (thanks to Tip the Scales)

@maxinesenior596

Жыл бұрын

And then in the endgame you slammed them with N'zoth resummoning several 8/8's. Good times

@sammykane5967

Жыл бұрын

@@maxinesenior596 that was a fun fun deck

It’s a shame rarran doesn’t have much wild knowledge. Shark has been an amazing card in wild for a long time, currently crushing in pillager rogue

@Rarran

Жыл бұрын

We are not considering wild for this

@antman7673

Жыл бұрын

@@Rarran “We are not considering wild with wild only cards.” Okay.

@RealityRogue

Жыл бұрын

@@Rarran :| you can at least mention it. He showed you Yu-Gi-Oh cards from decades ago and told you how good they are currently with all the cards

@gabethebabe5092

Жыл бұрын

@@antman7673 pretty sure he's referring to their time in standard not their current performance in wild

@user-ut4qh2sw5r

Жыл бұрын

@@antman7673 Wild is trashcan

stevie knew countess was gonna pop off

One thing that seems to have been omitted from the conversation about Nozdormu and Allura is that what made them so crazy to play against was |TIP THE SCALES|. When you played Nozdormu on 4 (3 with coin), it doesn't matter what your opponent would do on their first turn with 10 mana, on your next turn, you summoned 7 rush murlocs from your deck, drew 7 cards, and had 20/20 worth of stats left over. Then once that was done, you dropped 10 mana taunts and rush poisonous beasts, topping the deck off with a N'zoth that resummoned all of it again. People also didn't realize that Tip the scales worked really well with Allura. When you got the coin or ran a 2 drop that gave you a 1 mana spell, you very often just won on turn 5 because the only spell in your deck for Allura to cast was Tip the Scales, doing the same thing but now your opponent only has 5 mana to clear your board of 7 murlocs lol. There were also low curve (murloc) minions that drew a dragon and one of like 2 dragons in the deck was Nozdormu, so it was super easy to hit one of these two options on curve every game -- far outweighing any variance in whiffs of these two cards.

Spirit of the shark is actually really good in wild (pillager combo)

@Rarran

Жыл бұрын

We are not considering wild for this

@MiguelPN-dr6pq

Жыл бұрын

I’m also shocked when he said my shark is a bad card

@camel8889

Жыл бұрын

@@Rarran wasn't shark very good in lackey rogue when it was in rotation ?

@lettucebob7395

Жыл бұрын

@@camel8889 Not really,it was way too greedy,mineaswell use quest shaman at that point

@step9337

Жыл бұрын

@@camel8889 yeah

I really liked seeing the inverse logic applying. Especially with Nozdormu. In all the previous episodes Rarran would often use the phrase "in a deck built for this" which was the case for Nozdormu, but any Yu-gi-oh player would view that effect as terrifying because of how quickly you could die or get locked out handing over that much advantage for just one turn.

I'm really enjoying this series! Both the players reacting to hearthstone and you reacting to other card games!

Tbf, there were quite a number of pro-players that considered Rafaam bait. If I remember correctly the card had an abysmal winrate when played both on ladder and in tournaments and the deck had an overall higher winrate without it.

Such a big fan of this duo! Love seeing other card game players react to broken combos for the first time

Alura was nerfed because of tip the scales shananigans. There used to be this highroll deck with the 4 mana 8/8 nozdormu and alura/murloc package that was really toxic to play against...

@maxinesenior596

Жыл бұрын

Yup, turn 2 wand maker turn 3 murloc turn 4 trade the murloc to draw Noz and ramp to 10 mana, turn 5 flood the board with loads of murlocs

@lordhegel600

Жыл бұрын

@@maxinesenior596 Yeah, that one

tfw stevie just predicts the rise of pure paladin

There was a version of Murloc Paladin during Darkmoon Faire that ran High Abbess Alura (with coin) or Nozdormu to cheat out Tip the Scales, an 8-mana spell (the only spell in the deck) that summoned 7 random murlocs from your deck. You then also used a menagerie package + N'Zoth, and Carnival Clowns + Y'Shaarj to summon multiple giant boards throughout the game. The deck was super oppressive so they nerfed Alura to 5 mana.

Rarran, you're an excellent host for collabs like this! Always puts me in a good mood

I think they missed that risky skipper was almost never played on turn 1. It always happened on like turn 5 or 6

I LOVE the dynamic you and Stevie have man, here’s hoping you guys continue to make videos together! ^^

I think it would be interesting to include, even just as a footnote as to whether or not the card sees play in Wild where the card pool is significantly larger. Maybe that takes too much work to establish on the backend, but cards like Shark are definitely playable in certain wild decks, wheras something like Alura basically hasn't seen play since rotation.

Love these videos! Has gotten me into card games again, and not just Hearthstone!

Love it, these are by far my favorite videos. Keep it up!

More reacts from you two! You're both amazing and so fun to watch, thank you for these videos. Much love

I feel like he explained alura and nozdormu poorly. They were mana cheat decks at their best, too slow once nerfed. It all hinged on two card combo's, key defensive cards at the top end, and lack of burn at the time. The cards are weak overall.

Seeing stevie taking the trolling in stride after his joy at doing it to Rarran brings joy

I love these series. Please keep making more!

I really like the dynamic you have with @Stevie Blunder, you guys have really good chemistry.

I am not saying it is good, but I loved playing Spirit of the Shark in Lackey Jade Rogue. Just some silly effects like using that no one expects, like using an unearthed rapter to get two copies of a "summon a Jade" deathrattle, then triggering the deathrattles twice with your weapon to ramp out like six jades in one turn was really fun.

The fact that risky skipper itself allowed Warrior to fight prime DH makes it the best card warrior has ever received and ontop of the fact you gain like ridiculous amounts of armor just off the whole play

I love this video idea! You should do more of these, with different people too!! (Specifically asking non hearthstone players hearthstone questions)

Thanks for giving us great content. Congrats on the well deserved 100k subs.

I don't even play any of these games anymore but this series is really fun and entertaining to watch. Keep it up! :)

The synergy between you two guys is great. Hope to seemore 🙂

Spirit of the shark was actually strong with lackeys, Togwaggle etc. back in the day

@countryinnmotel9824

Жыл бұрын

No. It wasn't. The stats consistently showed that the deck was better without shark.

@Mezer_PoE

Жыл бұрын

@@countryinnmotel9824 pillaged? Mill? Otk? Nah you're capping

This series has turned out to be better than actually playing Hearthstone itself

Please more of this series, these are so good.

Bro I just realized Nozdormu the Timeless is basically a 9-drop 8/8 that accelerates time. Just like the original card. In a weird way. Because it's like turn 9 just happened on turn 4.

pure paladin is tier 4 deck... now its a tier 1 with a 50+% wr

I think Rarran is remembering a lot of old cards wrong. Big Paladin was never a good deck, so Noz wasn't that strong. Rafaam was in a world champion deck because the meta didn't settle at the time (submissions were a week after Witchwood expansion release) and quickly fell out of zoolock. Allura was toxic due to Tip the Scales as the 3rd option to primordial lens

@mikkeldavidsen7352

Жыл бұрын

Yea wtf. I was seriously puzzled when he said Noz was good. I remember playing that drake just meant you got killed on your opponents next turn lmao

@WavemasterAshi

Жыл бұрын

(Point of Order - Arch-Villain Rafaam was Rise of Shadows)

@natterbrot

Жыл бұрын

Big paladin was meta for a bit, as I remember it. Definitely wasn‘t bad, but Noz wasn‘t ever good outside of that deck.

@ricktp6821

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, he really is missing the point with a lot of these , specially with the powerlevel of each card being a lot tamer back then. Just because some cards were dropped in favor of faster cards for even faster games with quick ladder climb in mind, it doesnt mean they were trash. They even had constant play on top ladder decks and the tournaments.

@Rainbow_Sheep

Жыл бұрын

"Big" paladin aka clown paladin was easy tier 1 for a short time, and noz was core

I can't explain how happy the Conker's Bad Fur Day music in the background makes me. I would watch any video with that jam going on.

I appreciate the explaining the hearthstone keywords. I've watched you since Snnuy colab and no idea what that stuff means

I loooove the Conkers Bad Fur Day music in the background btw thank you :)

4 months later and I've started playing Hearthstone again. One of the three decks I've been running is Pure Paladin with The Countess in it. I've had games where I just play her and the enemy surrenders. That being said I can imagine at the time of the video it really wasn't great, but the most recent expansion has added a lot of really nice cards to Paladin. Even if it hasn't made Pure Pally one of the best in the meta, I've had a lot of fun with the deck.

Neat analysis video! Thanks for uploading!

good example is the countess, where just 2 months later it was pretty good in pure paladin and pure paladin is currently according to hs replay top 1000 a tier 2 deck with over 50% wr. still fun video!

I actually think Wild is a better measure of the power of cards. In Standard you can have great cards that seem weak because the right synergies don't exist or the deck as a whole is just bad. It's in Wild that you can truly see the potential of cards. A good example would be Neptulon. Similarly some cards that are really terrible see play in Standard because there are no other alternatives, such as Wild Growth.

@lettucebob7395

Жыл бұрын

Neptulon shows how broken big priest and not hwo good of a card it is,does big priest actually play the card from hand? Also by this logic all the galakronds and dragon queen Alex are garbage because they don't see play in wild

@ViciousViscount

Жыл бұрын

I beg to differ. Wild is a mode that can realistically never be properly balanced, so just because something is broken in Wild, it doesn't mean much.

@ElMoShApPiNeSs

Жыл бұрын

@@lettucebob7395 Galakronds and DQA are garbage, yes. They wouldn't be great in current Standard.

@countryinnmotel9824

Жыл бұрын

Wild is not a real game mode. Stop lying.

Well with the most recent string of complaints I believe that the Wild Format should be considered in these evaluations!

@countryinnmotel9824

Жыл бұрын

Why? There's like five people playing wild and they're already in the comment section.

Rarren, you play Wild, do you? "Pillager Rogue" do you know this deck? Spirit of the Shark is the whole combo enabler. D:

Can’t blame him for the miss on Reno. Highlander decks are pretty unique to HS and would want another board clear (esp with a body attached)

@bmccarthy9

Жыл бұрын

Also no highlander deck has ever been good with one payoff in standard

@Topgun5t

Жыл бұрын

Highlander unique to HS?? Magic the gathering pioneered that format

@Ceracio

Жыл бұрын

@@Topgun5t Heh, "pioneered". I see what you did there.

@hi-i-am-atan

Жыл бұрын

@@Topgun5t the format, yes the archetype, not so much

I know you say you're not considering wild, but when you show bad standard cards that are strong in wild like spirit and Nozdormu, it hurts my soul when you just say theyre bad lol

@goodwillhawk

Жыл бұрын

I’m dumb, what deck was Nozdormu in that was good because my brain only remembers him being garbage.

@Rainbow_Sheep

Жыл бұрын

@@goodwillhawk noz was very temporarily good in wild for highlander paladin, it lasted literally only like a month. Otherwise it was only good in clown paladin in standard and was toxic with tip the scales but never top tier

@rogaldorn4759

Жыл бұрын

@@Rainbow_Sheep More like half a year, but yeah. It became irrelevant real quick.

@unknow11321

Жыл бұрын

@@goodwillhawk hes good in some big pala, highlander, murloc decks etc.

The reno slander cut me deep, highlander mage was my absolute favorite deck that patch it was so fun if you pulled that dude on curve against all the meta aggro it was sweet sweet relief Kind of also understand the sentiment around shark because it didn't see much play but that shit was soooooo fun in pogo rougue

This uno reverse card situation was funny. I play more Yugioh than Hearthstone, but I do know both, so this was an entertaining watch. ...hopefully this is the start of even more exchange of fire, as you both undergo an arms race of finding the best mindgames to gaslight each other. Cards that look great in a vacuum, cards that had unintuitive and powerful interactions, sometimes a genuinely good or bad looking card just to not make them TOO obvious... fun times. xD

I really liked this episode, one of my favorite for sure.

Stevie actually really knows his Hearthstone. He probably knows more old cards than Rarran.

@r3zaful

Жыл бұрын

Most people who play yugioh willl very likely understand how hearthstone.

spirit of the shark is so powerful in wild

I like your videos with this guy. Fun dynamic.

Is that music from Theme Hospital I'm hearing at the start? What a throwback...

Shark was broken in tempo rogue in the specialist/lackey meta lol

@uriaviad9617

Жыл бұрын

It wasn't broken, the stats showed it was the worst card in the entire deck.

Congrats on 100k

Awesome video! I'm not a Hearthstone player, but this was really nice!

Perfect timing Rarran as I am just about to eat. Thanks

I love the thumbnail 😂 is that Yugi from "if Yugioh was made by EA" by Chimaru?

Crazy that he saw the potential of Incanter's flow even at 4 mana.

Alura was crazy when used with priest questline reward

6:32 Omg, I just realized. 4 mana Nozdormu can counter Guff druid (and also that other minion, both players' mana crystal is now 5)

Please continue to this format forever. Heartstone vs Ygo is so hylarious, both have nonsensly broken cards but in different ways. I'm having so much fun in these videos.

Chrono Trigger music is so good, what excellent background

I love these videos. Stevie seems like a cool person

Ah, poor Rarran. That was probably me with Il'gynoth Demon Hunter you played against a few times. One of my favorite decks of all time and the best Priest killer ever.

It was cool seeing you two switch roles for this video. I like the healthy mix of rarran looking like a fool and rarran making someone look like a fool. I ran into that albatross res priest in wild one time & it was so awful. Just birds and that Prime that healed them. Forever. Still better than big priest tho

man the rafam world championship match was so fire, probably the height of modern competitive hearthstone imo

Love the millenial fair from chrono trigger on the background 🥰

We are not considering wild for this.

What high abbes alura did was summon 6 murlocks from your deck on turn 4, as you could cast a 10 mana spell if that was all you played, and got a coin from a minion or by going second

@trokolisz3702

Жыл бұрын

Also it war pretty good in libram paladin

Spirit of the shark is an integral piece to pillager rogue which is one of the best combo decks in wild for a while now

22:00 Strongest warrior card we've ever seen is definitely Warsong Commander. It used to give every minion charge for 3 mana.

@NicholasBalanta

Жыл бұрын

RIP Patron Warrior Stevie's analysis of the Albatross was interesting. I remember there was a meme paladin or priest deck a long time ago that focused around giving your opponents a board full of 1/1 creatures that they couldn't kill off and waiting for them to concede.

Love waking up to a new rarran video and watching it in my bed :)

Yo Stevie is a legendary man, he just got a new sub

Theme Hospital music? That brought me back!

28:11 Aaaand pure paladin. This card made me really sad

Definitely a great duet for the format "Tries to Guess How Good".

Spirit of the shark was also very good on Standard on the Tempo Rogue with Scimitar XD

Pure Paladin laughing atm at this

God I wish he brought up the Maxima C’thune glitch in wild. Still one of the most mind boggling glitches I’ve seen.

It took me 15 minutes to realize that Stevie was wearing a Belle Delphine mugshot shirt. What a legend.

Ashes of Outland Demon Hunter. Brought to you by the same people who made VFD, Crystron Halqifibrax and Verte Anacondra

Is The Countess the wife of Dr. Boom? They both are 7/7/7 and summon stuff

Holy crap is that Space Station Silicon Valley in the background? This channel just earned a sub.

I normally don't watch these but I'm a huge yugioh fan so here I am lol

@16960734

Жыл бұрын

U should watch them normally!

spirit of the shark, good with pogo hopper, but that was some time ago

So Risky Skipper is what Spellbook of Judgement was during Dragon Ruler format.

A fun thing with these people from other card games could be showing them a mix of real and custom cards and they have to guess which ones are real and which ones are not.

I would like to add for Skipper the versatility. One damage off of board clear? Play a minion. Need to bridge two removals? Play a minion. Need one more amrour or card? Play a minion. It did so much by doing just one thing based on all the other cards around it.

@imtonysopro

3 ай бұрын

So could work in vs. aggro, tempo, and control very well

man on the countess you were talking... let's not say that word. neutral legendaries can already be plenty powerful on their own, remember their battlecry effects are available too. then there's the buddies from death knight, the horsemen, the collossal ones, the elemental lords, colossus of the moon... and depending on the turn you play you get to put the lady into that murderous company the same turn. not to mention yrel and the other "no neutral" cards in paladin decks, most of the time the opponent has ragequit by turn 6 before you even bring her out.