Thanks to Jinzo and Tonic for his assistance in creating the duel scenarios! kzread.info/dron/wq16BC1sAsiKvVnJZ4r6nQ.html

@alexkrasnic3850

3 жыл бұрын

if thousand eyes doesnt suck up then the blowback dragon fusion shouldnt work. same principle

@alexkrasnic3850

3 жыл бұрын

if they are destroyed by torrential then they cant be tributed

So basically priority was an old mechanic that essentially gave monster effects quick effect. Glad that was taken out. But then they just made a buncha new monsters with built in priority.

Could you review common cards that miss their timing inGoat?

@GoatFormat

4 жыл бұрын

Yes. - Raust

I’ve been looking for a goat KZreadr would love to see some more educational content!

Useful video thanks man.

Alternatively: Meta serpent for TER, prio TER target BLS, opp will chain ring targeting TER, chain torrential, then normal breaker and swing for game

@jhdkljghldkfjghsdlfk

4 жыл бұрын

@Spluaks ÐƒØ me too, even if he doesn't ring

@GoatFormat

4 жыл бұрын

That depends on your opponent using ring in a very specific way. In scenarios like these, it is assumed that ring will be used in the way that will prevent you from winning. so torrential will resolve, you summon breaker, opp chains ring. In other words, the scenario in the video, is the only way to GUARANTEE the win. -Raust

truly awesome!

Could you just use meta then torrential summon breaker swing for game ?

Use Metamorph on TER and they will chain ROD in an effort to not lose a monster you chain TT, Summon Breaker for game.

Doesn't the fact that kuriboh exists mean this is NOT a guaranteed victory? Also, can someone explain why the monsters go to the graveyard before torrential tribute resolves? Does it have something to do with how costs work?

@Mangosrllysuck

2 жыл бұрын

Yes you tribute for cost to activate the effect

Okay I've seen this a few times and am confused. If my opp summons ter and calls prio, and I chain book or ring or something target the ter, half the posts I see say that the monster ter targeted will stay where it is and the other half say ter resolves as much as possible and the monster it targeted will go to grave.... which is true?

@GoatFormat

3 жыл бұрын

Ter goes facedown and the monster it targeted stays on the field where it was.

Weren't you suppose to ask for a response after activating the dark eff?

Hi I have a question, Priority activation doesn’t necessary mean only when we summon a monster right ?. In that case if we have a monster already on the field and we are entering our main phase we can also prio our monster on the field’s effect ?

@kenkyuen

4 жыл бұрын

Correct. Priority just means activating as chain link 1, ie Cannon soldier was summoned last turn and you summon sangan. You can use cannon soldier as chain link 1 to sac Sangan with Cannon effect. Priority exist in all phases too

@1711Khan

4 жыл бұрын

@@kenkyuen thanks!

@anorexicshrooms

3 жыл бұрын

@@1711Khan as an addition this i suppose. That is what priority is in modern yugioh. The turn player is allowed to activate their effects/do an action first in any given phase

how long did it take you to make that quiz scenario up lmao

But how do you activate Torrential if it states "When a monster is summoned..." if the last thing to happen was the effect of Hex?

@AshyCat

4 жыл бұрын

hes holding priority, in goat format since it goes by old rules, you can activate a fast effect or ignition effect as priority, so he summons hex-sealed to start the chain,(this is normally when torrential would be able to go off) but instead hes chaining hex-sealed fusion effect to his own summon and then chaining torrential (as a fact effect) since the original chain 1 is still the summon? thats how i think it happened.

@milesgreenwood5036

3 жыл бұрын

When a monster is summoned, there are two stages: the summon negation window, and the summon response window. The former is only for counter traps or cards that negate summons, then the negation window ends. During the SRW, you can activate Torrential during any point in the chain, because they last thing to actually happen was the summon, even if you activated a priority effect, the priority effect has not resolved because you are still adding cards to the chain, IE Torrential

@milesgreenwood5036

3 жыл бұрын

@@AshyCat this

Bro if people don't know that lol

how is bls able to chain to ring, i understand that it can start the chain link with ignition priority but it can’t chain as chain link 2 since it isn’t a quick effect

@raustzeal4212

4 жыл бұрын

I think you are playing modern logic to goat. If you want a detailed explanation then someone in our discord will be able to assist.

@heavyrain5949

3 жыл бұрын

Because BLS isn't chaining to Ring. All priority is, is the turn player to user their cards as CL1. It's not exclusive to monster either, so for example: If you draw your fourth card and have say MTS in hand, you can play it as CL1 since you have priority to do so in order to avoid cards like Dustshoot.

So wait, what is stopping the opponent from chaining ring to torrential???

@KiramaruXVI

4 жыл бұрын

Or even to the summon of Dark Hex sealed after priority was called and/or torrential being CL2??

@kenkyuen

4 жыл бұрын

What’s the point of chaining Ring to Torrential? It doesn’t really do anything

@KiramaruXVI

4 жыл бұрын

@@kenkyuen It allows you to win????

@jt54

4 жыл бұрын

@@KiramaruXVI is it even possible to chain a trap with another trap that is not a counter trap (like bandit tools or solemn judgement)?

@kenkyuen

4 жыл бұрын

KiramaruXVI you’re going to need to explain how

Hi, I don’t see why I couldn’t use metamorphosis on sinister, then on summon TER, torrential tribute on summon, then normal summon breaker and attack for lethal… breaker would have 1900 ATK and the opponent would still lose to ring of destruction if they activated.

@justinspivey6543

2 жыл бұрын

Would of done the same

@jasonhansen9

2 жыл бұрын

I believe the opponent could chain ring of destruction on breakers summon effect and destroy it before it receives the counter, resulting in only 1600 damage dealt to each player

o k so, your means of winning that duel was completely different then mine was. here's my thought process: Torrential is on summon period, and scapegoats summons token's without using your normal summon. my play would have been play scapegoats, let it resolve and on the token's summon activate torrential, sending everything to the graveyard, board woulda been cleared and you'd still have your normal summon. summon breaker (since breaker i think gets the counter on summon before he has the chance to activate ring), head to attacks and swing for game (Granted this is assuming ring of destruction can't respond before breaker get's the counter)

@MykdaBEAST

3 жыл бұрын

Pretty sure you can't use scape goat if there aren't 4 monster zones open in goat format.

@MTGDuelist8870

3 жыл бұрын

@@MykdaBEAST last i checked you could, although i haven't tested that in goat format so maybe that rule changed later

@gyroh6593

2 жыл бұрын

@@MTGDuelist8870 a bit of a late reply but you indeed can’t activate scapegoats if there aren’t 4 monster zones available for them. Secondly, if you summon Breaker, his trigger effect to get a counter will activate, and the opponent can chain Ring before it resolves, thus destroying Breaker before he gets his counter and both players lose 1600 (you did mention this at the end of your post though). Third, you can’t even summon Breaker in the first place because Scapegoats says you can’t summon any monsters on the same turn you activate Scapegoats, you can only set monsters. Although I was unaware of that part of the effect of Scapegoats until just a few days ago!

@MTGDuelist8870

2 жыл бұрын

@@gyroh6593 I forgot scapegoats doesn't let you summon after activation, it's been a long time since I've played yugioh lol. As for scapegoats, I swear I've activated scapegoats without needing all 4 slots available before but maybe it's a goat format thing that I forgot about.

I feel like for the puzzle you should have shown the extra deck.

Watafuck i just saw?

3:11 Wrong First off I wanna say the definition of Priority on wiki Yugioh I feel is incorrect. 1. Priority is not a player's ability to declare their monster's effect as CL1. 2. I feel like Priority is a Spurt of Moment to Activate one's Ignition effect quickly and get it over and dealt with, also they are immune from chains so you cannot chain to their effect everything would either have to come before or after 3. So in that instance Torrential Tribute can not be activated as cl2 but has to be directly responding to a summon. 4. So BLS gets Summoned, Declare Priority. Opponent has Option to hold TT or activate TT on summon Only. CL 1 TT CL 2 BLS Ef 5. Also Chain Links do not apply to priority unless it involves a card that directly responds to a summon (BTH, Trap Hole, TT, RoD) 6. Because of the way you explained it, BLS is Off the field and can not resolve it's effect as it is an Ignition Activates and resolves on Field Effect. Hope we can discuss more. Not to sound negative or anything, also I wanna say Keep the videos coming your doing a great job for the Goat community

@anorexicshrooms

3 жыл бұрын

your logic is wrong, Idk where you are getting this information from but allow me to help enlighten you. priority is the turn players ability to activate an effect as chain link one. This still exists to this day but it was changed so that a turn player no longer had priority to activate an ignition effect in response to his own summon. Roughly speaking this was because the last thing that happens is the summon, because it is the turn players turn they have priority to activate their effects first, similar to how the turn player in modern yugioh has priority to activate the first card or action in a phase. For your second point that is also incorrect. Since the turn player is retaining priortiy to activate their ingition effect in response to their own summon. The last completed action is the summon, that's why torrential tribute can be activated in the first place. Knowing that the ignition effect is in direct response to the summon should answer points 3-4 5 is correct 6 effects do not have to be on the field to resolve, unless otherwise stated on the card. This has always been a thing.