the industrial revolution and it's consequences have been a disaster for the elven race

@crow2989

10 ай бұрын

The humans have fallen, billions must die

@leonenjoyer

10 ай бұрын

good no more elves

@inzyniertv9305

10 ай бұрын

Good, I hate elves

@jaspermooren5883

10 ай бұрын

Who needs 200 years of training when you have mass produced guns?

@inzyniertv9305

10 ай бұрын

@@jaspermooren5883 train a wedgymancer for 30 years to cast one fire ball or train farmers how to use guns in 2 weeks

This is exactly why Gary Gygax limited magic so much in OD&D, he did not want magic to be so commonplace that it would destabilize a medieval society. Magic was supposed to be something that most of the people of Greyhawk would never even see in their life and it would only be whispered about in rumor and superstition.

@hartthorn

10 ай бұрын

You're not wrong. But the problem is that, in function, it never really works out that way. Because essentially, if there are only a handful of magic users, they effectively become nukes in post-war Earth. They offer such a degree of utility that if only 1,000 exist, they are trump cards on so many scenarios as to become king. Because in many ways, the only counter to magic is having your own magic.

@tgres287

10 ай бұрын

i remember reading a few novels from his Gord the Rogue series - magic was rare, but not quite so rare. For example magicians and priests dwelled in the city and practiced their magic openly and anyone who wanted to see some magic would only need to visit a temple or observe the local wizard for a while. Most people wouldn't seek out magic just for curiosity because they feared it.

@kamikeserpentail3778

10 ай бұрын

That's fine for the typical D&D settings I suppose. And I absolutely prefer a setting that isn't medieval in design to begin with and has magic pour out of everything.

@SkoomaGodDovahkiin666

10 ай бұрын

Boringhawk is hella mid, tbh.

@anothervagabond

10 ай бұрын

@@kamikeserpentail3778 Eberron would have made a far better flagship setting for D&D than Forgotten Realms in my opinion. No idea what WotC was thinking there.

My world had a magical industrial revolution. The problem is just that within, Like, A hundred years or so, It quickly turned from a magic industrial revolution to interstellar FTL travel. As it turns out, Once people actually have the technology to learn how magic works in my setting instead of straight up copying bits of code off the corpses of gods, They really ran with it.

@marcusaustralius2416

10 ай бұрын

Just create a small pocket plane and speed up the course of time Using reanimated skeletons and magic mouths for commanding them, have them operate as on/off logic gates Keep building, you'll eventually have an infinitely scalable undead skeleton supercomputer that, depending on how fast you can make time flow in your pocket plane, will calculate as fast as you want Plus, being a pocket plane, you can essentially have it as large or small as you want

@marcusaustralius2416

10 ай бұрын

You'll need billions of corpses/skeletons, however, they don't have to be human So just have a few pocket planes linked filled with rat breeding colonies

@danieltandello5074

10 ай бұрын

@@marcusaustralius2416 That is nuts, god have mercy of your characters.

@danieltandello5074

10 ай бұрын

@@marcusaustralius2416 This actualy reminds me of sorcerer king manga.

@danieltandello5074

10 ай бұрын

The guy that wrote that must be in coma after using so much brain power.

Wizardry was, originally in D&D, such a difficult educational vocation wit uncertain outcomes that it leant itself to guilds and secret societies. We're talking about a 25-year-old man being a novice who can cast 1-2 significant spells in a day. Most mages might scrape their way to 3rd or 4th level by the end of their careers and permanet magia effects were extremely rare.

@TheRezro

2 ай бұрын

Yes. Original D&D was more Medieval, later ones not really. But it was still extremely unbalanced. While yes, novice Mages could be splattered by a rat. Relatively fast they turn into godlike powerhouses. Rest of the team was hold only by arbitrary rules and tons of magic gear. Actually like D&D5 approach more, where everyone is a Jedi. But focus is rather on utilization of the magic skills. This make experience more balanced.

@albertonishiyama1980

Ай бұрын

​@@TheRezro this isnt the issue here, but rather how "realistic" an Industrial Revolution fueled by magic is. And the answer is: "it depends on what kinds of magic and casters are more commom in the setting". Originally DnD was way more leaning towards magic being weird and invontrollable, what helps the stagnation. People learn their whole lifes, and even them the spells can just shut down (if Divine) or missfire horribly (if arcane). This makes everything stagnate, because noone knows how to make it actually usable (Call of Chutllu and Warhammer are this kind of magic system, even nowadays). But if it goes to the more "science, exact thing" route... them Wizards and Clerics being so smart works against the stagnation because they wouldnt be able to just accept things as they are. They would 100% put weird work on it.

You’d be amazed at what you can do with heat metal, an adamantine rod and a decanter of endless water. Presuming you want to jumpstart a steam revolution

@SybilantSquid

9 ай бұрын

Funnily enough, this is basically how the magitek steampunk empire of my setting is powered. Around the same time as the mass deployment of these Steam Cores, an event known as the Leviathan Calamity began. The continent began flooding over the last century, and the waters are still rising. Until your comment, I had originally just intended for it to be a mystery, but only now am I considering directly connecting the two for a concrete answer. All that endless steam needs to go somewhere.

@pedroff_1

9 ай бұрын

​@@SybilantSquidMaybe the magix being direxted at the metal interacts with the water, making a bit of said magic be converted into more water, so the zengines generate slightly more steam than they were fed water, and this is what causes the flooding event. IDK, just an idea

@pedroff_1

9 ай бұрын

​@@SybilantSquidMaybe the magix being direxted at the metal interacts with the water, making a bit of said magic be converted into more water, so the zengines generate slightly more steam than they were fed water, and this is what causes the flooding event. IDK, just an idea

Irl, the agricultural revolution preceded the industrial revolution, but, in a high magic setting, Druids & Nature Clerics have already revolutionised agriculture with their crop enhancing spells.

@als3022

10 ай бұрын

They always do forget that some mages would like cash and use their magic for mundane stuff to earn cash.

I believe if you have nobles in your D&D game, they should be sorcerers, bloodlines of the sorcerers and nobles fit together so well. Whatever I run a game if it’s not a first generation noble, it’s always a sorcerer.

@michaelpettersson4919

9 ай бұрын

Unless magic is hated so that nobles will hide their mages. There is a case of this in Dragon Age.

@Merilirem

9 ай бұрын

@@michaelpettersson4919 Sure but Magic being hated is hard to pull off unless magic sucks. Decent magic is unreasonably hard to be bigoted against. The magic users will always fuck your shit up. You only really stand a chance if you live in the anti magic mountains or something.

You mentioned undead labor, and funny enough the country of Geb in Pathfinder is and does just that. That whole area is very rife with magical progress, especially in Alkenstar. You should look into it

@duncbot9000

9 ай бұрын

Came here to say this, glad someone else said it first. Geb is all about undead labour and the alive there are called "the quick" because they are a bit more (or differently) efficient than the dead. The border territory of Nex is all about magical constructs and building massive magical war machine creatures to use against Geb. and Alkenstar is in between in a "magic free zone" between the other countries so they had to build up a steampowered/gunpowder infrastructure.

Magical Industrial Revolution = The Wizarding Manifesto. "proletarian wizards grab your wands and take over the means of magic making." (; GREAT VIDEO!

So, Eberron. Just, Eberron. Mass production, rails, newspapers, etc.

That’s why I like magic items or materials. Sure it’s just used to make more modern things we already know, but there’s just something about replacing a mechanical part with a magical part. Like how a fire stone could be used to put on a wand or as a heating element for a stove or steam engine.

Victoria 3 has a mod where magic is a resource that could be used with modern technology in the industrial age.

All of my campaigns have always taken place in a Victorian Era with a mix of Steam/Diesel/Magic Punk. A huge inspiration was Frostpunk for my games. A big event happening right now is there's a country in my setting ruled over by a tyrannical Red Dragon who is a self proclaimed God. As punishment the Gods have stripped his lands of magic so in order to adapt the Dragon used their immortal life and power to drive forth the wheels of industry to adapt and survive. Thus creating a society on par with WW1 America and is now waging a war against their neighbors. A very magic vs industry dynamic. Ofc though its Steam/Diesel punk tech so still fantasy-ish. My players, especially the Artificer and Gunslinger love this setting.

@jasdanvm3845

8 ай бұрын

I too would love that setting.

I love that this came out, I am currently building a world that is currently going through a magical revolution after being flooded with components by a few sources. There's one country that is actually building proto-factories and their institutions are slowly spreading to their neighbours (Or being poorly copied)

@johntodd6413

10 ай бұрын

Some key factors in the industrial revolution factories were time keeping, printing presses and overseas knowledge/trade. It was a time before standardization of parts, so a guild of blacksmiths is key. I'm doing something similar with my campaign, though my aim is to have my components eventually become a more standard fuel like gas was. Last canals were a huge deal before train were, disease kept most cities from growing as people arrived at similar rates to when they died and cult communities were common with early landlords.

Once you hit lvl 11as an Artificer you get the Spell Storing Item which has 10 charges. the rules of ability specifically say you can use an action to replicate the effects of the stored spell rather than casting the spell, so any material components can be ignored as you only need those to cast the spell. Spells like Continual Flame and Magic Mouth cost 25gp per cast but using the SSI you can cast your stored spell 10 times per day for free (meaning as a player you can basically sell your spellcasting services much cheaper than any wizard and rake in the gold, everyone will want a forever-torch or novelty speaking door-knocker.)

@SuperVegeto00

Ай бұрын

Oh yeah that would be cool I was gonna have Vortex Warp in my magic spear

Finally. The power of Magic Mouth is recognized!

I would absolutely love an ongoing series that goes into this kind of depth with extrapolating industrial revolution-like situations from a spell per episode! It could be interspersed with the other videos here so that you're not ignoring everything else you want to talk about.

@hilleleisenberg6382

10 ай бұрын

there's a podcast called detect magic that does just that

@Vaeldarg

10 ай бұрын

Something that might also add to the industrial revolutioning of a setting, is travel between the planes. For example: If think Alaskan crab-fishing is the "deadliest catch", try fishing in the Elemental Plane of Water for some rare delicacy or material. Or mining within the Elemental Plane of Earth, etc.

@benl4198

10 ай бұрын

​@@Vaeldargcharter fishing gone wild, I'm here for it

@genghiskhan6809

10 ай бұрын

@@VaeldargThat would literally solve all material scarcities. I like it.

i agree, my home brew setting, was had a dwarven industrial society, which over years spread, as did fire arms, and we last played it in a reminiscence/industrial revolution area, planning on playing a Magitechpunk/Space version next set after its apocalypses at the hand of a imprisoned god, who tried consume the other gods. Now its survivors live in a mega city, which home to over 80 billion creatures and people, created by the earth and machine god, its home to fallen god and demon controlled corporations and the surviving cultures of the world, it has biomancy that blends and reshapes flesh, outsider bioware that can overwhelm your body and turn you into a demon, guns that shoot teeth, spell arms advanced gun/wands with magical batteries, along with animated golem power armour, undead animated vehicles and cyborgs, spellware that access spells to enhance you etc

@Michael-fd1gx

10 ай бұрын

Magic cyberpunk.

Yes!! We need more what if scenarios that drive these possibilities to their inevitable conclusions or funny diversions.

I’ve been working on a spell book for merchants. Totally different from the spells adventurers use.

@anonymouse2675

8 ай бұрын

I love that idea. I`ve been doing something similar for Artisans and Crafters. Mostly rituals so it can be used by non-spellcasters, similar to the Ritual Caster feat plus a couple of cantrips like mending and mold earth. May I suggest using Runes as well? A small iron plate engraved with the fire rune and set in the top of a stone block can be used as a replacement for an electric cook stove, while a metal plate with the cold rune can be set in a chest and used as a replacement for a refrigerator or freezer depending on how many runes you used, etc... Rune Wards to keep out mice and vermin, Runes to ward remote farmsteads against certain creatures and common monsters, all kinds of interesting uses for everyday life. I.e. the stuff a merchant would be happy to sell them, kinda like the old Sears catalogs from the 1800s.

I know the homebrew setting I've been rolling around with came by from me reading Perdido Street Station, loving the concept and pitching to my group "think dnd, but 1840-1910 tech levels". That was the entire setting at first, and it has been pieced together over the past 5+ years since then with more technological advancements, discoveries of using magic to create electricity, and so on.

One of my favorite podcasts is an actual play of 5e, called Flintlocks and Fireballs, a Napoleonic-ish level of technology and a lot of homebrew stuff from extrapolating from base 5e rules etc.

@floramew

10 ай бұрын

Like it's very fun as a story game in itself, but it's also fascinating for the GM's innovations in this vein. There are spells to redirect Sending if the target is in a protected area, dependent on the location not the target; so you get cloaked ships/forts/castles/etc with a dedicated Sending Room and a mage who just sits in there waiting for a message to write down and give to the intended recipient. There's mass casting, so a (squad?) of mages can focus together and cast a huge siege-level Fireball. There are troops that are just twelve corpses and one mage with a Necromantic Repeater that allows them to easily control the twelve expendable undead at once. Etc. A whole lot of history & "if x were true, y and z would look different" extrapolation. And teleportation *isn't* a thing except for the party, and a few others as the campaign goes on, so we're seeing that begin to revolutionize stuff too. And there's an artifact which is powerful, dangerous, and limited which the party has that also allows them to break a few other rules of magic and surprise folks, mainly wrt seeing into the past and (potential) futures. Just really fun stuff.

Thanks for defining the difference between Wizards & Artificers! W are theorists & concept designers, while A work with applied magic & product production.

A few settings do have magical industrialization, ie eberon or mystara's Principalities of Galantry. Settings like the Forgotten realms or Krin have magic as very rare with most people in the world being either nonmagical or very unskilled at it. Players are meant to be unique and special people that are 1 in a million, so the perspective is kind of skewed because a player character can reliably make it to a point where they can cast unseen servant or something. Ie, Waterdeep has a 200k population according to the the last splat book, but it also states that the surrounding areas have 2 million people, who live and work on the farms around there to feed the city because they are not all able to cast create food and water; they have to work for their bread, which keeps them from thinking about how to make factories and what not. Despite having the Black Staff, an Uber powerful mage, in the city they still have to work because they work for the Black Staff, the Black Staff does not work for them. Even in the FR lore, magic users and clerics are rare, and rely on an inborn talent. The back story of Straud still relies on a hag's interference to implant the ability for min to cast magic, for instance, because he could not just choose to study spell casting like it is English lit. If magic is readily available to anyone who seeks it out, you also have issues with Warlocks; why have them if you can breed sorcerers or train wizards reliably? You can have all the benefits without having to make a deal with Orcus.

@semulationjune

10 ай бұрын

Im not well read on settings other than the forgotten realms, so i didn't know this. Thank you for commenting this cause now i have more lore to look into [ insert lore goblin noises here ]

@rynowatcher

10 ай бұрын

@@semulationjune Mr. Welsh does a lit of "Welcome to Mystara" setting info dumps if you want a KZread presentation. I am unaware of an Eberon specific one, but that is an underutilized setting. They have been recovering from the last war for almost 30 years now and they only have a few official campaigns. Even so, it is a fan favorite, so a lore channel probably exists. Found this Chanel while trying to find a good deep dive into the dark sun lore, but that kind of dropped off.

@semulationjune

10 ай бұрын

@@rynowatcher dope thanks g

@erikschaal4124

10 ай бұрын

​@@rynowatcherEberon would be a good case study given the last war. You better believe that any technological revolution will affect how war is fought.

@rynowatcher

10 ай бұрын

@@erikschaal4124 I feel it is lazy writing, honestly. Rather than making unique technological developments from a different set of resources, Eberon is just "kind of like technology from our world, but powered by magic." It is set at the end of the last war so they do not have to make sense of how their society, economy, and world is supposed to function and any inconsistency can be explained away as "oh, the war broke it." The Principality of Galantry and the Empire of Alphasia in the mystara setting, on the other hand have functional nations, culture, economies, trade, and many more books written about them (both fiction and splat books), because they were made for them to be active forces in the world for the players to overcome or use instead of smoldering ruins to explore. Eberon is post apocalypse, after all.

So the end of the story is that Marvin and his friend go to work for the Baron of Hasbro and they help to create a magic box that replaces the people that used to run the game based on our Medieval Society. And the Baron makes lots of money.

Been looking forward to a video like this ^.^ working on a world in the middle of a magical industrial revolution myself. Thank you so much.

I hit upon a similar idea back in 3rd edition with a non-evil necromancer. Back then, unintelligent undead were non-aligned/neutral and would just stand around without orders or keep doing what they were last told, effectively automations. They also used to have the concept of 'negative energy' which was effectively anti-life and that's what undead ran on (so healing spells caused damage to them and inflict spells healed them, etc) Negative energy was just another element and its plane was similarly neutral aligned. Sure, a living creature traveling to the negative energy plane without proper precautions would die, but the same goes for the plane of fire, or even the positive energy plane (you'd become so full of life you'd just burst, if i recall) Furthermore, some spells had an [Evil] tag, but it existed simply to identify spells that good-aligned clerics (and only clerics) could or would not cast. Casting an [evil] spell was not an Internet evil act. Similarly, nothing about creating unintelligent undead states that it did anything to the dead person's soul. You could become a ghost and someone could animate your dead body. Sure, low-level resurrection spells won't work if the body is undead, but they also don't work if the body has been cremated or even had vital organs missing. Higher level resurrection spells or reincarnation had no such limitations. Therefore it is safe to assume that when someone dies their soul vacates the body and is pure negative energy which animates the corpse afterward. So I reasoned if skeletons and zombies are mindless and thus by definition not evil, and the negative energy that powers them was not evil, and the soul was not trapped or harmed, and even casting the spell was not intently evil but just forbidden to certain religions... The only thing stopping an enterprising necromancer from becoming the king of domestic robots was cultural taboo. So I made a traveling zombie/skeleton salesman. Two other non-ethical hurdles remained, but were easily overcome: 1) You could only have so many unread under your control via the raise dead spell before you lost control of them and they just went idle or followed the last command they were given. And 2) What about rot? Well, if unintelligent undead will default to their last command when the necromancer releases control, just make that command be "This is your new owner, obey your new owner unquestioningly" bam, problem solved. It continues doing the last thing its maker said to do, which is to do whatever this guy says. 2) skeletons don't rot, but also undead are full of negative energy. Negative energy is anti-life, and it kills life that touches/consumes it. Which means antibiotic... Antimicrobial... Antifungal... They're essentially 1000% sterile. Any forms of micro or macroscopic life trying to colonize the body would simply die off. No rot. The rotten state of most zombies comes from poor quality control in the materials. Literally pulling rotted corpses out of the ground. Now, they would dry out and mummify eventually, but if appearance is a concern, then you just pay extra for the full taxidermy/embalming package, and/or hydrate your zombies regularly. This was before Eberron came out with a whole nation whose thing was this. And then 5e ruined it by making mindless unread evil and stating that without direct control they default to attacking the living. So much for Zombicorp in 5e :-/

@jasdanvm3845

8 ай бұрын

Honestly, I the mindless undead being aggressive by default just make sense to me, and being able to follow Any command is not something I would call necessarily 'unintelligent", but there should be a way to achieve what you describe even if by taking extra steps, after all the origin of zombies was in the form of servants.

A note from Ed Greenwood: Faerun is slowly going through the beginnings of an industrial revolution, it's not static and he's not designed it to be. The whooshwagons and similar items from the gnomes, and everything out of Lantan and the Gondish, are a start to this. So spells will have to adjust. More casters with construct-based spells, for a start. Note that Fabricate as a ritual plus tool skills make advanced device manufacture pretty trivial, even if only for the most sophisticated items because cost. But now research a variant version of that spell that allows multiple identical items to be created at once within the volume limits of the ritual, and/or multiple parts for one device that then needs to be assembled.

@thekaxmax

9 ай бұрын

So introducing industrial-age farming equipment, household tools, and other constructed devices, even without going to steam, is what should be happening. Note also that Fabricate as a ritual allows turning iron and carbon raw materials into as good steel as the caster knows how to make. And as rituals can have assistants, a GM could allow a caster to have the ritual and an assistant have the metallurgical skills required to refine the materials to a desired result.

@anonymouse2675

8 ай бұрын

@@thekaxmax "Fabricate as a ritual"? Super curious as to how? This would change my Artificer/Wizard`s life.

@thekaxmax

8 ай бұрын

@@anonymouse2675 talk to your GM and have your character do the research for a ritual version. Me, my GM's using 'any spell that takes longer than 3 rounds to cast can be learned as a ritual', and I'm a Pact Of The Tome warlock.

Thank you for this video. I have always felt that there was a distinct lack of applied magic in the d&d settings. It always feels like magic was an afterthought in the world building unless it was specifically needed for the story.

Loved this video. The economics and social development of societies in fantasy settings is a brilliant topic for a video series. I hope you make it.

Woohoo! More magic worldbuilding! This one was great and really puts you in the mind space to imagine the implications of magical innovations. I wonder what the consequences are for magically infinite energy generation? For example: a 5th level spellcaster with animate dead could use a zombie to endlessly perform an action or set of actions, such as turning a wheel that grinds grain. This one instance means anyone with access to this spell is no longer at the whim of running water or wind to generate the motion. 9th lvl gives access to teleportation circle which, with enough time and gold, can create an infinite looping motion for water to pass over a wheel: 0_ \O \_0 *0= portal, O= water wheel (Sorry if the diagram is messed up, I’m on mobile. Just imagine an incline with a portal at the top and bottom with a water wheel in the middle.) Even the create bonfire cantrip, which creates a sizable fire (5’ cube), can be cast every minute by a 1st lvl spellcaster or even a commoner with magic initiate to continuously boil water without the need for fuel.

@marcusaustralius2416

10 ай бұрын

With water being piped at high pressure from the ocean floor through a turbine and back out through an exit portal, you can generate infinite renewable energy Put it in a pocket plane and you immediately have portable hydroelectric generators

My particular favorite is Plant growth, which doubles the output of crops in an area. People think it will revolutionize the world, but it would just achieve market equilibrium with its use. So long as there is profit to be made from doubling, you would pay your local druid to cast it for you. Its the same as the modern farmer paying for GMO seeds or pesticides, everyone has to do it to compete. Maybe your world's version of organic is that it hadn't been magically altered. Ada Lovelace is a perfect example of the visionary. She developed computer programing before computers existed by hypothesizing a logic box.

5e was written and designed by people who were just bad at rpgs. They were trying to limit the scope of the game with their bounded accuracy, but they screwed up a bunch of spells. Older editions has Magic Mouth be "Duration: Permanent until discharged" - so only delivered one message. Because people who were working on this 20 and 40 years ago all understood the immense potential of permanent magic effects and what communication means. There was also specific lines there about Magic Mouth never being able to activate any other magical items: "The mouth cannot utter verbal components, use command words, or activate magical effects." That was specifically to prevent jury rigging traps and contraptions like this video is describing

@hugofontes5708

10 ай бұрын

I'm sorry, I don't think I get what is the bad at RPGs part here. Sure, they made pure martials utterly worse at everything but the stuff you do mention just seems... Different?

@tgres287

10 ай бұрын

@@hugofontes5708 their game is the product of a carebear mating with with the fps genre of video games. Their monsters are HP sponges, their PCs are designed to be unkillable. The entire system is designed to remove decisions and thought, starting with management of party resources and ending with any kind of character building. Its no wonder that a decade of its supremacy has given rise to the crowd of 'forget the rules, lets just do theater of the mind and milestone xp' kind of DMs at which point every game session devolves to little drama clubs doing their adlib practice.

@hugofontes5708

10 ай бұрын

@@tgres287 I'm aware of the game state. I asked how the stuff you had mentioned before made the game bad or made them bad designers. Because there are other games which did not come from the same premise as OG D&D. Anyway, what do you play these days?

@tgres287

10 ай бұрын

@@hugofontes5708 pF1 and 3.5e mix. or more like pf1 with 3.5 skill system and limited orisons

One important factor is fuel. Unless you can find a magical (or mundane) fuel more potent than charcoal, the amount you can really industrialise is going to be limited.

When you were describing the Magic Mouth machines development, I was envisioning the automata of the late 18th century that were rumored to do a million things like playing instruments, to playing chess (That was a dodge) And sometimes it takes ages for those to become something other than entertainment. Technology is a weird thing on how it can be invented, reinvented and changed. And how long it takes. One thing I can think of with magical technology is that it becomes a standard and since those who create it might be rare it means that there are always technological copycats who try to find a way of remaking it without the magic. I might not be able to make a Magical Mouth arcade machine, but I can make a floating theater with little figures that dance and enact a specific story. (Ancient Greek tech from Heron of Alexandria. They have built a copy of his simplest one. Amazing to see) I can imagine that in the advertisements for machines that do this "As good as magic" could become a tagline to sell items.

Man I'd love a mini series of a magical industrial revolution

@shzarmai

10 ай бұрын

Same here

I totally agree with the idea if a magical industrial revolution in a fantasy world tbh :).

Fascinating top. I really love these types of think-piece world building videos that you create.

I've had something like this on my mind for years, was really awesome to see someone take the idea and really go for it. And you reminded me, the mechanical computer existed for hundreds of years, but never made the jump to the Widespread Adoption stage, they only ever were funky toys for fancy parties hosted by the king

I am doing exactly that. The first nation that stopped hunting people with magic abilities began educating them and utilizing them in production methods alongside standard technology. This results in, for example, forging 100% pure metals from ores and being able to precisely control the internal structure of alloys.

Way ahead of you buddy, I already DM an Eberron campaign.

I recently had an idea for my world. Since wind magic is very common in one place, someone could create preasurized air, and then pneumatics. Since it's a hot place a simple fan might be the first invention.

You keep reading my mind and making a video about things I've been thinking about in my homebrew world. 😮

Fable is such a great series for this sort of thing, first game starts off with pure medieval fantasy, with 2 starting to bring in more technological elements such as the flintlock, wheel lock and turret weapons. And the third game set mid-revolution, with the main town of the series going from a small town to a bustling metropolis.

yes, definitely do more on this, please.

Indeed! Intriguing details to consider! Not only as a Platonic philosophy, but also as an everyday reflection and exploration game of speculative evolution! In addition to stimulating greater cultural understanding (not only in terms of science fiction) of the inhabitants of that world! To give that wonder of progress in generating greater productive assets! And even the deep consequences to face! But that's what makes it more human and magical to be able to explore people's daily lives in such interesting times! Simply Marvelous!

As strange as it sounds, both Magic Mouth and Unseen Servant is Ritual Spell which can be obtained by any class via Ritual Caster feat (at least upuntil WotC shank RC feat to the grave in ONE dnd)

Absolute banger videos back-to-back! New follower for a couple weeks, love your content - Certainly, one of the best worldbuilding channels yet! Along with the industrial revolution we got many of the sports we now enjoy as a global civilization, something to consider when creating a world like this! I would love to hear your thoughts on how to approach apparitions, hauntings, curses, and vengeful spirits in a fantasy setting. I usually keep them in real life settings; they are incredibly challenging to create a sense of tension with when typically, in a fantasy setting, the characters are built to handle a bunch of crazy shit, ghosts are vanilla by comparison. Also, ghosts are influenced greatly by the cultures they originate in respectively, so it would also be interesting to see how fantasy cultures could create uniquely ghastly imagery, lore, and supernatural function.

So fun to watch! I would love to hear your other thoughts, especially on Unseen Servant. SO many implications

Brought me a bunch of ideas. Thank you!

This is one of your best videos.

If I recall correctly, humans have invented the battery 3 or 4 times but app until very recently they didn't have any compatible technology to go with it to make it do anything more than a party favor so they fell by the wayside

@marcusaustralius2416

10 ай бұрын

That's correct, it happ ms all the time Hero of Alexandria created a steam engine that was used for opening large doors and as a curiosity, but as the ancient world had such an abundance of slave labour along with a complete lack of monetary theory, it was simply cheaper to use muscle power, and so his engine was merely a curiosity, not used in industry until the 1600s for pumping water out of mines Gunpowder was for about a century merely used as fireworks and potions in China until someone had the bright idea around 1100 to stick it in a bamboo tube with iron and stone pellets to turn it into a weapon

@als3022

10 ай бұрын

@@marcusaustralius2416 Heron of Alexandria's machines were amazing. Seen a few recreations and just the amount of mechanical engineering in them is fascinating. The ultimate of analog tech.

I'm immediately reminded of the Eberron setting, in which the world is in a quasi-post-WW1 era with such widespread magitech that the arcane counterparts to technicians and engineers - magewrights and artificers, respectively - are very much needed to keep the lights on and the elemental-powered trains running on time. In addition, the political ambitions that precipitated in the last war also led to the shortsightedness behind the creation of the constructs known as Warforged, and the consequences of what happens when the beings you create to be living weapons outlive and outgrow their initial purpose.

Great video as always

I definitely would love more of this. I'm currently working on a post apocalyptic setting that had to relearn magic from the ground floor, and stuff like this helps me come up with fantastic solutions with level 3 spells and bellow

A magic item that allows Sending more than once a day is going to be worth the research and creation cost, no matter the cost. It'll be cheaper, in the long term, than a pallet of Sending scrolls. And if it's at-will, even more valuable. A two-way network of crystal balls, to allow visuals and continuous speech, even better.

I like the idea of different cultures handling magically assisting the economy in different ways. One known for farming communities might use druidic magic and divination while crafters could could use conjuration, enchantement, abjuration and magically enhancing themselves to better craft wonders. Labour intensive jobs could have undead or constructs as easily as it could have a workforce that is constatly under enlarge effects. High value deliveries could always get teleported while less urgent ones could be delivered by minions or couriers under haste effects. Transmuters or artificers could be smiths and jewelers.

I watched this like a month ago, and today when i realized my story was set in an industrial revolution, i knew i had to rewatch it

This is one of the best videos i have ever seen

I built a world in the Romantic/exploration/colonial era. basically it was medieval or renaissance era as most countries hoarded magic in the nobility or an elite class restricted mage training to keep control but this was overturned when a nation that didn't do this was discovered by the others (long story short it was on an island while the rest were on the continent) and war started. In the war the island nation wipes the floor with the whole continent and wins against dozens or so other countries; only ending in a draw due to the island nation not having enough resources or population to continue on. From there magic was forced to spread to counter the island nation over multiple wars and a couple centuries.

Yay. Magic Mouth! Magitek revolutions are cool to think about.

This kind of thing is something I'm behind just to level the field between magic, monsters, and non-magic.

Loved the video, and would love to see more videos on the subject. Always thought it was odd how any magical setting higher than low fantasy didn't have more industrial aspects to it, especially any setting with warforged. Unseen servant, mage hand, minor/major illusion, prestidigitation, mold earth, mending, sending, fabricate, tensers floating disc, find steed, awaken, wish,] are all spells that immediately come to mind for things that can very quickly alter a setting and impact technology, culture, and society as a consequence of exploiting these spells. I once had a wizard that used wish/simulacrum to create an army of glorified secretaries, because "If you want something done right, do it yourself"

This is absolutely fantastic! I love that book!

YES! Magical Industrial Revolution is my new campaign setting's whole vibe!!! Model Ts and Fireballs.

Love this essay but what I want to say most is actually. I love that crochet dragon in the background.

Great topic, I would love to explore it further.

This brings to mind the "Moving Pictures" from the Discworld novel of the same name. The whole innovation process of the medium goes in a similar way to the 6 stages. It even has the Terminal Event, as the opening night of the most ambitious 'click' produced goes horribly wrong.

I'd love to see more on this topic; whatever you can think of, I'd be interested. I love this style of worldbuilding - mine tends to look more like an infinite series of questions about a growing web of topics centered on an original simple concept, but it's still so much fun.

Awesome vid! Reminds me of Aurora's Whole Realms, Faeruns Amazon!

Love this video going to put it in my game ASAP

I agree! Even as a kid I yearned for stories with a magical industrial revolution. If magic is pervasive enough, people will find ways to make it easier to do things. And so in my own writing there are a bunch of different worlds with magic that have a tech level at least approaching our own, even if some might be stuck in like the 1800's level or the 1920's or 30's. Though my Nua Sidhe are basically the gray aliens even in their tech, as they have spaceships that work half on science tech and half on magi-tech.

Please do make that mini series!!

The following is standard in nearly all my fantasy campaigns for the last 3 decades of my 5 decades of GM/DM experience. First, there is no magical way to fix things permanently, nor create materials permanently. This means that basketmakers continue to work, blacksmiths continue to make and apply horseshoes to horses, bakers make bread, etc. Second, in the LotR, without travel, it's a short story. The same is true for getting information from one place to another, which is the basis for many historical battles as well as fictional stories of battles and war. Thus, while short range teleportation such as Dimension Door still exists in my game, long range teleport is impossible. The same is true for magical communication and scrying: short range only. 3 decades or so ago, I created a "carrier pigeon" system. However, because my world's weather is more like the Minnesota (on steroids), I had to pick a bird that could live and fly in the extreme cold, which I decided were snowy owls. The whole thing works similar to GoT messenger ravens. Finally, gases don't work in my world as they do in the real world, having a Wild Magic type of phenomenon going on. This prohibits firearms and airships, among other things. So, no cannon on sea going ships either. Magic is mysterious and unknown, thus scary. Not saying I don't enjoy a good Steam Punk game, which I have loved as a player. But, I try and keep my long running world fantasy based, focusing on maintaining a Tolkien feel, among others: .

Moar More vids about this and such matters plz. That's some good realistic worldbuilding

I had this exchange on twitter weeks back. I'm running a Space Age game (think Spelljammer but...not), and I decided there are readily available wands of Prestidigitation, specifically the 'clean' function, made and sold, that anyone can use. The next five minutes after I said that sentence was me reckoning with the consequences of it on a setting. It doesn't take much for this kind of thing to fundamentally alter whole worlds or more. A lot of other comments have noted just how low-magic Greyhawk was, to avoid this, but in a world where what even 5e's spells can do are anything more than all-but-unheard of? Well, wooden vessels that can sail the sky or stars are some of the *least* advances that could come about very quickly.

Eberron denizens when they get access to dream of the blue veil

In the Rising of the Shield Hero light novel, hero's from different versions of modern Japan are summoned throughout the eras. They actually give a good explanation for why modern weaponry has not become a thing. In short, modern weapons had been introduced and some countries do use guns to a limited extent, but why would you use guns with explosive ammo when a mage can shoot just as far and if he used fire magic, would cook off the gunpowder in a modern soldier's kit. Furthermore, through ritual magic using a team of a few hundred casters can conjure up the destructive force of an ICMB but with limited range. Later on, the villain of the arc, who's a descendant from past era's heroes, busts out the schematics for things like tanks and airplanes, but ultimately loses out in a hard fought battle to a high fantasy army led by a tactical genius. I think one possible hindrance to technological progress is if magic can take the place of magical convenience. Don't need to invent the sewer system if your toilet poofs the shit away. No need for mass production if cottage industries use labor saving magical devices to produce goods quickly, like if we skipped Henry Ford all the way to 3D printing at home.

@als3022

10 ай бұрын

And you have instantly stated why I find high magic fantasy exceedingly boring. Some enjoy it, great. But get enough magic in a world and it's used as a crutch to solve all of the world's problems. And then it becomes a whose magic is bigger contest. Low magic settings for me.

@MaitlandJones

10 ай бұрын

@@als3022 (Essay Inbound, you got some gears turning in my head.) I myself am a low fantasy enjoyer too.I always thought of low fantasy to be more like the early middle ages, and high fantasy like the high middle ages/early Renaissance. I think the trick is, treat magic like science. A high fantasy setting with advanced magic would be a setting that is fairly modern. I always thought it anachronistic when I'd see modern looking/complicated looking clothes in some fantasy anime, but in a setting where magic can streamline the manufacturing process, then of course the clothes would resemble something only reproducible in the modern era. It kinda solves everything, from why the armor is so blingy to why no one has invented gunpowder yet, to why do the characters act like modern people. Simple, mana is what powers the world, not electricity, you're looking at a modern setting wearing a medieval skin. If you show the king a schematic of a sewer system from our world, it would be like showing someone from our world a passive air conditioning that uses no electricity to someone from ours. They'd likely say, "that's brilliant! Your people did that with no magic? Wow! But seems a bit clunky? What happens if the pipes clog? Personally, I think we'll stick to our current waste disposal system, but I'd love to stick your schematic in the archives in case something cataclysmic happens." (Honestly, quite brilliant of Aneko Yusagi for actually addressing why the setting does not use modern military weapons.) The trick now is how can we limit the progress of magical science in a high fantasy setting to where it looks/behaves like a medieval setting? Maybe instill some cost, make the crystals that are used in magical batteries hard to come by to the point that only someone with "fuck you" money could put one in their toilet. For that matter, has anyone figured out how to charge them yet? Maybe that innovation has not come around. The rare soul gem is found, it's used in an emergency, and upon it's draining, it becomes a useless rock and tossed aside. Without the ability to store magic cheaply, modernity/industrial revolution is impossible via magic. In combat, a wizard can cast a fireball that is as destructive as a musket blast once per minute without a soul gem, after which he might need to rest for quite a while. With a soul gem, he could release a cannon blast strength, or multiple shots in quick succession, likely the king might employ a wizard like a siege weapon and give him a gem from the royal treasury with order to blow a hole in the wall of an enemy city. He would still be a boon on a medieval battlefield, but would lose out to muskets in a straight fight, becoming relegated to an auxiliary role. With this limitation in place: Three discoveries would have to be made to bring about the industrial revolution. How to recharge soul gems, how to make artificial soul gems, how to make magical batteries. To bring a high fantasy setting fully to modernity: Magical power lines, and the ability to store spells in a machine to trigger automatically without the need of some wizard proletariat to hand operate the machine. In conclusion: High fantasy tends to reduce magic to a form of science. It can be done in a way that is compelling, but the more advanced it becomes the more like our world and DAMMIT I don't want to be in our world, I need my escapism! XD

There is a novel I read that addresses this concept of magical industrialization much of the world is stuck in a mid medieval to late medieval world due to religious persecution against wizards while one kingdom is ruled entirely by wizards and they are in a near Victorian level of technology they are only a few key inventions away from a full on industrial revolution at the start of the book. The book also has a interesting magic system its loosely based around scientific principles with a bit of a catch the way a wizard gains power is based on there understanding of the world around them and so the more they understand the stronger they get however if there understanding is flawed it could prove fatal as there world view collapses causes there minds to literally tear them apart. The book is called Throne of Magical Arcana its well worth a read though it can be a bit thick at times with its more scientific magic explanation towards the end of the book

@TheSkyfolk

10 ай бұрын

If you like magic systems based on scientific laws and used to further science, you should check out the Death Gate Cycle, one of the best scientific magic systems I've ever had the pleasure to read about. Each book contains footnotes and appendicies that elaborate on aspects of the world from the perspective of people who live within it.

One of the simpler ways magic affects labor on one of my fantasy worlds is that often, they use people who can do magic to do simple labor stuff, such as moving large crates of goods from the ship to land and vice versa. Though that world is a rough place to live and very dangerous, so it isn't hard to imagine that at points in its history, its population in some areas dropped enough to need to invent something to make up for a lost labor force. Which could partially explain why their world has motorized vehicles, machines, and other tech.

TLDR: Magic mouth alone is not enough to make anything resembling a modern computer, and you might be better off taking the electrical route even in a world with magic mouth. Magic mouth is not as great as people make it out to be. People always point out that you can chain them together to say "yes" or "no" depending on what previous magic mouths have said, to create logic processes similar to those in computers. And yes, you could have it do simple calculations automatically similar to what a computer processor does. But you aren't halfway to anything similar to a computer. - How do you store the result? computers do many simple processes and combines them and chains them together into complex ones. But often times you need to store the result of several simple processes while waiting for other things to finish, so you can start combining the results. So basically you need to add some sort of storage system that can both store what the magic mouths say, and feed it back to magic mouths when the time is appropriate. - How do you give convinient inputs to your system? So you have a bunch of magic mouths, that if the starting ones in the chain are given a set of commands that represent two numbers, will add them together. You can probably figure something out, with placing objects in front of each mouth, and say "go" so they start at the same time, and depending on the object they will start the input differently. But how do you scale this up to more complex inputs? - How do you make the result human readable? If you have a 64 magic mouths outputting a number in binary, you will just have 64 voices saying yes or no. You need some way to actually translate it into something humans can understand. Sure for a simple calculation, that could just be a zombie by each mouth, noting down what it said, and then a human can do the math and figure out what the 'computer' was saying. But that doesn't really scale well. - Speaking of scalling, magic mouth takes 11 minutes to make and costs 10 gp. To make big computers you would need to find a way to automate this process, and make them cheaper. Because right now, every seperate magic mouth has to be hand crafted by a wizard. - Magic mouth computers, likely work at the speed of sound at best, unless the magic mouths actually mouth read each other. This is fairly slow for computer calculations. - Size, we don't know how small you can make magic mouths, but you probably need to invent specialized small magic mouth spells, to fit it all within a reasonable space. These problems are not impossible to overcome, but neither is inventing the computer we have today. I just think the electrical computer is superior to the magic mouth computer, enough so, that if someone came up with an actual useful magic mouth computer, it would quickly be replaced by an electrical one.

I need more flintlock fantasy tbh.

Industrial revolutions are always rife with copycats, thieves, spies, and backstabbers. There is absolutely no way that a mage who invents an automated relay of Magic Mouth instances would hold onto that invention for long, not unless he becomes an absolutely ruthless monopolist with an eye for vertical integration. But even if he achieves a local monopoly, he can't control how foreign powers will react. The thing about ideas is that it's exceptionally rare that any one person is thinking them. No matter how original an idea may seem, they flow from the existing circumstances. If one mage is thinking about designing a relay of spells, another is too. The implementation will be different, but the core logic they uncover will be the same, and the results will have similar applications. Even if there is just one person with the idea initially, curious and talented people will sit down and try to work out the details themselves. Or, even if they buy into the monopoly, they'll come up with new applications for the tech and clever ways of breaking the system that will force the monopoly to adapt. This invention is guaranteed to run away from the original creators.

I'd like to see more examples of such revolutions!

i thought the idea of the og content was that they were either entering a industrial revolution or suffering the extremes it created and the gods retaliated from humanoids going too far?

One of my favourite industrialized fantasy worlds(i guess it's more science-fantasy) would be The Legend of Heroes jrpg series, where magic exists and has existed for a long time, but actual practitioners have dwindled in number and opted to remain secluded and shrouded in secrecy, becoming legends, myth, but, the world discovers that a certain ore when refined, can produce magical effects(which happens not long before game series begins, putting you in a period of rapid advancement/industrialization and problems that come along with that), you can basically think oil, but in ore shape(there's elemental shenanigans involved but not going too deep here), that is the basis of the industrial revolution in this world, that has airships, trains, computers, cars, tanks and the like, the resource is limited and full scope of it's ability is not known, they even have ICE and oil figured out, but in-world they use that mainly as material for some research, as it pales in comparison to efficiency of the refined ore. Across games in the series, we as players get to see the slow incremental progress, as combat system evolving is backed by 'researchers developed this new gadget based on that refined ore, try it out' reasoning. Well I doubt my description does it justice and if i got anything wrong, feel free to correct me, still am in progress of playing through this series, but I think if it comes to magical fantasy world with industrialization, this one's an interesting one.

I played an artificer and turned a town into a powerful city-state. Made airships, trains and war forged.

My worlds absolutely have a ton of magic. And so the local jail likely has magic detection, nullification, or restraints built into the walls. Every decently sized town has teleportation circles, and because the trip can be a bit nauseating for some, either people with buckets of water or prestidigitation to clean things up after someone loses their lunch. Beginner magic users perform mundane jobs (and most people have some amount of magic) Towns have perimeter detection for big threats. The existence of magic changes the way people function.

That was interesting. Do make similar videos on different spells

This is super cool. I would think the magic mouth machines would spread from this city and people would start studying magic more because of the profit that could be made by various other innovation

Oh I was thinking about this the other day something about a renaissance and industrial revolution at the same time using "ancient runes" instead of the magic that comes out of people's hands

I like the thematic concept of a very storied high fantasy world in which magic is a very non-democratized function, exclusive only to "nobles" or some "advanced race," but that a method is developed to activate magic in a very mundane method, something anyone can activate with little skill, and can be mass manufactured, and how those at the top of the society would have to react to everyone else suddenly having access to what were once very exclusive tools.

IRL magic is applied relgion, while geneneering is applied science. It makes sense that wizards and mages dont experiment but cling to the tried and tested if magic can have terrible conciquences if something goes wrong and if its not possible to use it in a controlled enviroment and if they are very religios people.

Personally I like the way Mother of Learning handled this stuff. Many noble mage families were wiped out by war because they failed to appreciate the effect newly introduced firearms would have, then they were hit with a plague, which upset the balance even further, much as the black death did in Europe. Now most troops are armed with rifles, trains are fueled by mana crystals mined in dungeons, and cities are built around dungeon entrances because the mana density is high enough not only for casters, but also their magitech.

Damn, was hoping a mention of Piltover & Zaun's cultures seeing as Arcane is in the thumbnail. lol

I's funny how in many of the settings I make, they are usually at the start of the Industrial revolution, with the fuel and materials varying. It's just that Baroque and Victorian-era societies for me are cooler and easier to worldbuild than fully medieval ones with magic. For example, in one of my settings, the elves are having a "bronze industrial revolution", using the properties of a bronze or brass-like metal I invented called Ros'khalkos to cast stuff in industrial levels of production. They don't live in an Iron-rich environment but a "Ros'khalkos-rich" one and instead of coal, they use water power, so they have the aesthetics of steampunk machinery, but it's all powered by waterwheels and mechanical pumps. Given their reliance on water, they prefer to use water magic in favor of any other magic. Also, it makes "scaling" magic easier, as I can treat magic staves just like better muskets and powerful mages like cannons and engineers, so if I want to make a "Military Mage Academy", I can use examples of Engineering or Artillery Schools to base myself, like the one where Napoleon studied. I can treat an Earth Magician like an Siege Engineer's squad, or a Fire Magician like a Cannon team for example. I even like to add limitations that make magic even more "human-scaled", so they would't be so far ahead of us normal humans in developing industrial technology, like the mana necessary to lift any mass in magic being equally as taxing as lifting the same mass with your own muscles, so you cannot lift anything through magic that your own muscles cannot handle. This means Earth magicians need to be bodybuilders while air magicians can be scrawny wizards.

Industrial Revolution please. Real down of local cultures due to globalization would be interesting in this vein of content. Mini series please

This would be amazing for almost a Stardew valley at squirrel building game where your adventures are working for a company that is rising through the ranks as new industrial innovations are being made both by your characters and that your DM in the world I can see how it would be very difficult to keep track of everything though, unless you were just kind of following a basic check evolution tree, but that kind of removes the fun of being able to come up with all the weird ways of doing the innovation

I actually have an example for The spell that leads to a industrial revolution With the animate dead Spell So we got a wizard who's just getting started with Necromancy And A third of the population of the city he lives in died because of a plague So he starts resurrecting zombies and skeletons to figure out how necromancy works. But let's say a few months later. The wizard doesn't have enough money to pay his bills. So his friend, who's a merchant, pitches the idea of letting people rent out the skeletons to. do farm work for them. So this wizard and their merchant friend go around. the city pitching this rent a skeleton. Business. Some of the farmers take up the offer And rent a few skeletons. because they're a bit desperate for some extra farm hands. Because of the plague that happened recently. So the rent a skeleton idea Is successful? After a while, this catches the attention to the city governor. who wants to directly buy the skeletons Instead of just renting them.? for a lot of money. The wizard accepts studies a bit more on Necromancy. And starts teaching to some of the Magically gifted children How to use magic After, say, a year. Skeletons, undead do pretty much all the unskilled labor. So the living go into craftsman jobs. Because since undead are doing all the unskilled labor, raw materials are ridiculously cheap. So several apprenticeship schools pop up in order to teach these Former Laborers. how to become a skilled Craftsman.

My otherwise thoughts is magic as something that could create some amazing possible advances. But also magic as something difficult to reliably industrial that an unforseen consequence can be common. They require particular individual responsibility, and when harnessed this responsibility is often misused, and crashes these advances back. Magic is to easilly amazing that other scienceses are seen as not worth the effort of magic possibilities. And complex that those with power don't use it responsibly to be shared, and some get too ambitious. In my own setting the society has come back from an emperor who was a tyrant artificer. And having magic stick requires certain materials to be mined and is separated in administration by an academy seperated from the noble military, church and trade guilds as different factions.