I agree that you need DNA with records in order to accurately build a tree. Before DNA, I had built my tree using records. After DNA, I found two NPE events that didn't match the records and pointed in a different direction and to two different trees altogether.

This was wonderful. Diahan is such a great ambassador for DNA research, Her enthusiasm is definitely contagious.

Superstars⭐️⭐️thanks y’all.

@GenealogyTV

Ай бұрын

Thank you and thank you for your support of the channel.

Good morning, Connie! Thank you so much for being so kind and generous with your knowledge on this platform.

@GenealogyTV

4 ай бұрын

Any time!

I always enjoy hearing from these two great ladies.

Hi Connie, I'm one of those people using DNA to find my missing x3 Great grand father. I actually know now who the family is and searching cousins who match to that family. Hopefully, in the end, I'll get there. I've heard of some people who have been looking for missing people for up 20 years. My greatest breakthrough was getting a male 1st cousin to do a YDNA test, then a scientist interigate world DNA database for matches to him going back 400 years.

Another great interview Connie…thanks for all the great one on one vendor interviews you did during Rootsrech…Mark

@GenealogyTV

4 ай бұрын

Glad you enjoyed it!

I am working on identifying Mom’s 3x-great grandparents. DNA segments range from 8-32cM. I have done enough genealogy on these matches to confirm the connection, though it often does not match their sloppy trees. For most the generations to a common ancestor is 7. I am trying to consolidate the matches on a tree from which I can create a visual others can understand. I know who the parents must be, but I have been unable to find documentation.

Excellent. I am intrigued by the last segment on Banyan having never heard of it. I have Ancestry DNA matches for whom about 1,500 have at least one common ancestor identified.Most of these are the early New England settlers and the median date of marriage for common ancestor couples is around 1620. In the majority of cases there are many such for one DNA match (12 or more is not uncommon). It seems to me the only piece missing in Ancestry necessary to tracing DNA back is having the specific base pair locations provided.

@MusicInMotion_67

4 ай бұрын

Banyan promises to be extremely helpful when dealing with Endogamy, multiple relationships, pedigree collapse etc. I'm super excited to work with it. And what a perfect name to describe this type of product and what it's meant to do.

@wardebert8341

4 ай бұрын

@@MusicInMotion_67 I guess one question is "what's the goal". For me, I'd like to have a generation-by-generation chromosome painting. I'd like to know which of my ancestors in the 1500's did not hand down DNA all the way to me. Apparently, from GedMatch, I match at 7 cM the "Stuttgart Man" archaic DNA from about 2000 years ago. In disbelief I immediately ran my second cousin's kit on my Stuttgart side and she matched at 10cM. It wasn't the same segment, but it was precisely adjacent. I'm still not 100% convinced based on the a priori likelihood, but it sure is intriguing.

@mattpotter8725

4 ай бұрын

Ancestry doesn't really help you that much with distant relatives, meaning ones that you have common matches under 20cM, which is very frustrating as for me that's the area where records based research isn't easy. I would suggest messaging matches and even getting them to share their DNA matches with you if possible (many won't reply so look on their profile page to see when they last logged in and only write to those who have been active fairly recently). I've done this and discovered many more shared matches, for example one that is a 20cM match to me and Ancestry only shows me 4 matches because of their limit, but we have over 100 in common. This can help because as mentioned in the video with the tool on MyHeritage doing this you will see how close or distant they are from your match as well as from you and you might be able to start to triangulate. If you do this a number of times the more information you have. It also can give you a lot more trees of matches to look at maybe find something that might break down a brick wall. I'm all for these new tools, I think they are great for those who are adopted or have endogamy or pedigree collapse, and every tool we get can help, some more than others depending on our family tree and ancestry, but in the end i actually communicating with people, something we sometimes forget might be just as helpful, can help just as much, and I'm sorry if ia little disillusioned but Ancestry, which has the biggest database has very few tools to actually help research more distant matches, which is what is needed to help build your tree back further and they don't seem to either build tools to help you in this respect or allow you easily to get the data out to analyse it yourself.

@wardebert8341

4 ай бұрын

@@mattpotter8725Ancestry does help by turning up lots of DNA matches on which to triangulate. I've broken down some brick wall just as you suggest, building a floating tree of a few hundred people that are ancestors to DNA matches. Indeed I had to contact someone to find a record that tied my tree in. At present I have three such trees not yet connected. In one case the apex of triangulation is very far back, well into the 1500's. If I had chromosome mapping I would know where in my tree to look for records. As it is, these folks could tie in anywhere from 1750 back to the Reformation.

@MusicInMotion_67

4 ай бұрын

@@wardebert8341 these types of things absolutely can be intriguing to find. The point behind Banyan is to figure out how your connected to your DNA matches when the whole family is a mess. Let me explain, and it may be a bit lengthy. I recently done some work to find the birth father of an 87 year old woman. This entire side of the family was from Puerto Rico. Very heavy Endogamy in this line. More so on her paternal grandmother's line than on her grandfather's. He was rather easy to find. She was not. The grandfather's line was easy. My client had a direct match to him through a half first cousin who thank goodness, gave me access to his tree and his matches. She had what appeared to be a first cousin once removed on her parental grandmother's side. Or so it seemed. She too gave me access to her tree and matches. Unfortunately the majority of her matches in that line were all related to everyone else, and they all led back to a different set of great grandparents. Lots and lots of second cousins and they all had different great grandparents that were obviously related in some way, but through which couple? There was so many. The records which were in Spanish, I don't know Spanish, didn't go back far enough to find the main couple, and chances are I would have never found them because they were just all related to one another in multiple ways. Even the one grandparents line (Castro) that was separate and who I had the direct line half first cousin to, eventually further back, also, was connected to this other line (Cintron) where everyone was related to everyone. Although after three months I figured it out, Banyan could have made this process so much easier possibly. Hopefully. At least I think that's the goal. It allows you to take these different matches and plug them in your tree that you build on Banyan and try different possibilities to help you find out how your matches both are related to you and to one another. With Endogamy, pedigree collapse etc. Your numbers may appear much higher making you look much closer than you actually are to someone. It may look like your second cousins when you could actually be fourth or fifth cousins. If you don't know how far back you should look for the common ancestor it makes it almost impossible to know where to look and find the correct couple, if any. Because as in my case mentioned up above, everyone is related to everyone and it doesn't make sense. No other tool until now had been able to work with Endogamous populations. So I'm excited to try it with my own tree where I suspect either double cousins or a brother sister connection making my own 2 cousin 1 removed (on paper) look much closer. I don't believe Banyan will help in what you explained up above. That will dig much deeper into DNA chromosomes and recombination patterns and how that works.

Good morning Connie..thank you!

@GenealogyTV

4 ай бұрын

You are so welcome

the dna academy does NOT seem to have sigh up option ONLY login

@GenealogyTV

4 ай бұрын

Try this... go here www.yourdnaguide.com/ref/6/ and then scroll down to see the Get Started, Tour, Dive Deeper, All-in, etc. or try the Academy link at the top of her page.

What is Banyan?

@MusicInMotion_67

4 ай бұрын

Banyan is a new tool similar to DNA painter where you can build out your tree and insert matches and the amounts of DNA you share with them then insert different hypothesis to try and figure out where someone or you fit into a tree, such as when trying to find biological parents or figure out if someone can be that missing father for instance. The big difference is Banyan, named after the banyan tree, is designed specifically for things like Endogamy where everyone within a community or population is related to everyone else, or pedigree collapse where you have cousins marrying cousins, incest etc. And other types of familial situations similar to this that can make it extremely difficult to find that shared set of great grandparents. Banyan is specifically designed for these types of families.

@GenealogyTV

4 ай бұрын

Yes

@Yahsharal864

4 ай бұрын

How do I download banyan or what the website???

Banyan would be great if I could upload my tree on a free account.