Thank you Kevin!

How about a "build an aquarium and an anoxic filter from start to finish including your plenum, pump info, tubes, size, plants etc" Not asking much... ;)

@anoxicfiltrationplenums

3 жыл бұрын

The Anoxic filter has been used for over 33-years with and without plants and has been proven to work both ways. I show how to make an Anoxic filter with BCB’s in my KZread videos for aquariums using a sump. Salt or freshwater it works for both systems.

@anoxicfiltrationplenums

3 жыл бұрын

I have several videos on just how to build an anoxic filter one on a 60 gallon tank and I just did a brand new one on a 20 gallon antique tank.

Jumped into the aquarist scene about 3months ago and have been wondering past few days how I could make water flow through the substrate yet still have plenty of depth for plants and have now stumbled upon the answer. Thanks!

I can't believe I never heard of this before. I will definitely try this with my next nano tank and compare it with my other tanks. I'm always looking for new ways to keep aquariums.

Ah this answered my other question on another one of your videos! Thanks!

Made 1st plenum in a tank this size today. Used inch scoria to hold up the plastic mesh cut from a seedling tray, used quarter inch scoria to top off the mesh so finer grains don't fall through, used some fluorite and zeolite to top that off then used 2-4mm scoria as planting substrate and capped with 2-4mm shotover.

@anoxicfiltrationplenums

2 жыл бұрын

Sounds good.

Amazing how simply it can be done. 👌👍

Thank you for great videos. I couldn't find any Laterite, but I've found this product on line I think it works the same.

This is good, thank you😆

I have purchased a 5 g Aqueon tank, an Azoo 60 nana hob filter. After watching you build a plenum I have decided to build one, as my previous experiences in my younger years turned out to be disasters in the not to long term. You mentioned using Ironite plus, which is a 12-10-10 fertilizer. Is this still a good choice or would you recommend the Flourite red. Is the nitrogen and phosphate alright if it is used in the initial setup? I am a bit confused because you mentioned not wanting to add nitrogen or phosphate to the tank. I ask because only a small amount is needed for my 5 gal. tank and the Ironite is available in smaller quantities at a lower cost, but I don't want to use it If it would not last well or cause a problem?

Gracias por compartir su conocimiento. Thanks for sharing your knowledge! I,ve developing plenums in small aquariums and I've been troubling with the low flow that makes a bubler, now I'm trying by using hanging filters with a tube connected to the plenum hole

@JesusHerrera-vx2pn

2 жыл бұрын

kzread.info/dash/bejne/ZZ6czLmTc6_blqQ.html

@Sinserg

2 жыл бұрын

No te compliques, si tú bomba de aire produce demasiado flujo podrías comprar una pequeña válvula (las venden en cualquier lugar de venta de accesorios para acuario) y desde allí regular el aire que pasa, o incluso algo más fácil, hacer un nudo en la manguera y de esa forma regular el flujo.

I have set up two tanks ( 5.5 gal and 11.3 gal) with the plenum as described in this video. You have since shown a slow moving plenum. Is the original setup without the air lift tube a good functional setup? I am running a HOB filter for mechanical filtration and two BCB's resting on fine gravel ( 1mm) for the chemical filtration. The substrate consists of 1 1/4 in kitty liter, then 1/4 Seachem Red for iron, then 1 in kitty liter and finally 1 in fine gravel. I have been under the impression that the substrate as set up would also function as a BCB. I have Anubias ( five petites and an Afzelli), five small Java Fern wendelovs, two Bucephalandras, and a couple of medium growth stem plants in the 5.5 gal tank with out CO2. There is two kuhli Loaches, 3 Nerite Smails, and a female Betta fish for live stock. I have an economy Nicrew RBG Nicrew LED light and have run it from 70% down to 50%. The tank has been running since Jan. 2020. I have not used any fertilizers for four months, other than the potassium gluconate and Seachem Iron, but am still having quite a bit of algae growing on my plants. I have recently increased my water changes from 3/4 gal per week to in the last two weeks 2 gal every 4 days. The results when I test the water, even when I have gone 2 weeks with a 3/4 gal H2O change, using the API test kit have been 0 ppm ammonia, 0 ppm nitrites, 0 ppm nitrates with a pH of 8.0. I have the same problems with the 11.3 gal tank which is set up with about the same conditions, but with CO2 and for only three months. Can you recommend a change that I can use on the 5.5 gal tank to start with to get the green algae under control. I have been trying to brush it off the plants but it resists. For some reason it does not grow on the glass. I haven't weighed the food, but have fed the Betta about the size of its eye twice a day, and the Kuhli Loaches normally feed off the bottom, with a shrimp pellet treat every couple of weeks. The snails are on their own. Help.

Man those Panda Garras are tough, they can hang with any fish 💯

@anoxicfiltrationplenums

2 жыл бұрын

Yes they are!

i built a slow moving plenum covered with pea gravel, three months later negligible nitrates negligible algae, many thanks for sharing your knowledge

@gold3nrul311

5 жыл бұрын

@brett So you had flow going into the plenum? And then up through the substrate?

@brettpacker2779

5 жыл бұрын

set up a new tank with jbl manado and laterite no algae on plants and negligible nitrate

Quick answer pls: So i just raise the bottom a bit, put in that kitty litter and some laterite (making a magnetic filter) and because of this i can do less water changes and have no nitrates??

I have a hundred gallon tank. I have an undergravel filter for it. I spoke with maker and asked if I could use a sponge over it instead if gravel as a back up filter. They said it would have to be a very coarse sponge. I then learned of Mattenfilters and Japanese style ugf. I asked the guy who did the video on his thoughts. He said my idea sounded more like a plenum but I would have to run a bare bottom. What's your thoughts. Ps. I have been in the hobby for 2 years now and never heard of a plenum filter before today.

thanks for the Plastic canvas circle. saved my life. im doing a 9gal bowl

I tested the Walmart red bag kitty liter, which does not specify that it is baked, that I have and if when wet and squeezed tightly it sticks together pretty tightly. I also have tried another brand "Cheshire Cat", which does not specify that it is baked. It also compacts under pressure.

@anoxicfiltrationplenums

3 жыл бұрын

I know that some bags say baked and some don’t. The baked is best but must be found elsewhere.

I found API Laterite today at my local fish store 😎 I'll be getting my Anoxic filter experiment started on May 1st 💯🙏🙌

Thanks Dr Novak, this is super easy. Only question is have is this sufficient or there needs to be some way to move water through the substrate, can we use the way you set up a plenum "as-is" without any other air-tube or pipes set up to move water.

@JesusHerrera-vx2pn

2 жыл бұрын

Same question here

@JesusHerrera-vx2pn

2 жыл бұрын

Heres the answer kzread.info/dash/bejne/ZZ6czLmTc6_blqQ.html

Hi Dr. Novak, thanks for all the valuable information. Did you say add kitty litter to the substrate? If so, about how much would you recommend? Thank you.

I have now set up a tank using this type of method, it's been up 2 weeks. I will upload a vid over the weekend and then post monthly updates.

@conman20000

Жыл бұрын

You lied

I am planning on setting up a planted aquarium with an under gravel filter plenum. Do you recommend the use of iron in the substrate and if so would an iron rich aquasoil mixed with gravel be okay?

@anoxicfiltrationplenums

3 жыл бұрын

Yes that sound great.

never heard of this before.. and been having huge issues... spend so much money. I saw this yesterday for the first time I just lost all my plants ect and had to empty and redo my tank a month ago. so now I want to start all over again. I have never done a sump before. I am buying a 85 gallon next week. need to build a stand and figure out what I need for a sump and co2 which I only have the 5 g co2 never got a regulator yet didn't know what kind to buy. right now I only have Christmas moss on a bonsai. only 30 days in a algae issues are starting. any help or suggestions on anything I need to buy for sump and lights and plenum tubes co2 media pumps been wanting to give up but having a tank really helps with my depression and anxiety I greatly appreciate and information you are willing to share Janine from Canada learning...

@anoxicfiltrationplenums

3 жыл бұрын

Will be doing videos on Anoxic canister filter soon. This may be a better alternative than a sump.

Question for anyone: What about a very fine substrate such as sand? You would have to place a small layer of larger gravel over the mesh to prevent it from falling through. I'm also concerned about the water movement through the sand, would it be better or worse effect overall (I can only assume the water will flow through it slower)? Thanks

@paigerasmussen5212

4 жыл бұрын

He has another video on this: use landscape fabric on top of the plenum. In that video he recommended the pre-made plenum that he poo-poo'd here, with the pump on, to pull water/oxygen through the sand.

@Sinserg

2 жыл бұрын

In my case I am using filter floss over my under gravel filter plates and I am also using dirt.

Dear Dr. Novak, This is Guillermo from Spain. Since laterite is far difficult to be found I was guessing some ideas or substitutes to build the baskets' content. Please, tell me whether I am right or not. Firstly, I wonder if the bonsai substrate called KIRYUZUNA used for bonsais is apropiate as a substitue instead of laterite. This substrate is very rich in iron content as well. Even far, I think about saturating this nucleus soil with a FeSO4 solution and sticking a nail, a wire or an iron rod in the kernel of the "laterite" column surrounded by the kitty litter. Thanks in advance Guillermo

@aravinias

2 жыл бұрын

?

@Sinserg

2 жыл бұрын

There's people doing their BCB baskets just using Seachem Flourite, I couldn't find the right kind of kitty litter in my country so I will probably just use the Seachem Flourite instead.

Hello, I have a quick question, i did not see anything to make the water slowly move in the plenun. would not that cause anaerobic conditions? Maybe I am confused. Thanks for the content!

Your knowledge is invaluable. I do have a question. For larger tanks, 75g to 180g etc., can you use this method (bioballs and mesh) without an uplift tube?

@anoxicfiltrationplenums

3 жыл бұрын

Yes, you don’t need uplift tubes.

what i did to my tank may sound and look like a plenum in a natural way i used medium size pumice stone and cover it with coarse gravel in the same way as i think oxygen still pass through the spaces in the pumice still working in progress though but its doing good in two weeks now and i did not add fertilizer in my gravel i only use dosing liwuid fertilizer for my plants

How about putting a layer of laterite and kitty litter mixed on top of an UG filter and then the substrate?

What do you recommend for air

Like all your videoes. Can you use lava rock instead of bioballs. For the plenum

is red lava rock (crushed) a good substitute for laterite and fluorite?

@anoxicfiltrationplenums

2 жыл бұрын

I'm sorry but No it is not. You need to find something that has actual iron in it not colored and looks like iron.

Dr. Kevin Novak, Could I use a layer of lava rock instead of bioballs? How big should the rocks be for a 50 gallon aquarium? Thank you so much for your videos. You are truly one of the most educational people on youtube.

great info -- can i ask thetype of filter you use-- i was trying to see in the aqurium

@anoxicfiltrationplenums

2 жыл бұрын

I do have a Goldfish video on a 40-gal breeder tank. Its been up and running now for over 9-month with zero problems.

Can I use 1" bioballs or is 1.5" optimal?

To avoid problems with digging fish, could I have bio balls at the bottom, then screen, then Laterite, then 2nd screen, then normal gravel?

Can we start at the beginning? What exactly is a plenum??

Could use use a bed of Lava rocks instead of bio balls?

Could I use a plenum in my 75 gallon mbuna tank? Ofcourse, there's no plants though, because they'll destroy them, I guess. Or should I just make anoxic baskets (or mesh bags) in my large Aqua Clear HOB filters? Thanks for the great vids!!!

@anoxicfiltrationplenums

3 жыл бұрын

If you make a plenum then you’ll have to divide it in half by putting a screen between your substrate so they can only dig so far and not all the way down to the plates of the Plenum. I myself am going to set up a 75 gallon aquarium with just using a BCB and a canister filter only with lightly dusting of gravel on the bottom of the tank.

If you were to use a substrate heater cable, would you place it in the plenum, or just above it?

@anoxicfiltrationplenums

4 жыл бұрын

Would not need the plenum , however, no water movement in summer with heating cables.

Do you have any advice on converting already established tanks? Or maybe it's just straightforward emptying out the aquariums and starting over? Thanks for all your videos🙏

@anoxicfiltrationplenums

Жыл бұрын

If your tank is doing good, I would just leave it alone. That's my honest advice. But when the day comes that you feel it's not doing what you expect out of it then it's time to change it over and this time do it correctly.

@DoraYoder

Жыл бұрын

​@@anoxicfiltrationplenums As you've pointed out before: if I'm watching your videos chances are I'm looking for help. I wish I could leave it alone, it's a new setup - 'DEEP SAND' ( 6 inches). 😮‍💨Maybe if you run low on topics for new videos consider doing how to tear down a tank while preserving as much as you can. How can I tell what can be cleaned (or sterilized?) vs thrown out. Also, how do you throw stuff (or dead fish) out? Toss it over the neighbors fence? Anyway thanks for the honest directions, I was throwing in the towel on fish keeping, but my interest is piqued. May as well try the correct way.

Dr. Novak, what is the mechanism by which the water contacts the bio balls under the plates & substrate. You don't seem to have flow ( at least mechanically) from the surface of the substrate down thru the plates & into the bio balls. Is it just a natural movement of water thru the substrate to allow the bio balls to do their work?? Please explain.

@buzz1167

6 жыл бұрын

John Carlson I asked the same thing before Dr Novak started deleting and reposting his videos, there used to be another video describing a method using a split tube setup on the suction side of the pump to pull a tiny amount of flow through the plenum. However I don't have a suction side (I have an overflow) and I am currently trying to figure out how to do this on a larger scale as well (200 gal).

@johncarlson3742

6 жыл бұрын

Jon Novak - I hope he replies to our comments. This is an exiting methodology that keeps good water quality and I want to understand the mechanism by which it works

@fishrrelaxing9361

6 жыл бұрын

The bio balls are not for filtration they are simply legs that hold everything off the bottom of the tank and not restrict water flow

@MELODYMUNRO

5 жыл бұрын

They know that - they are referring to water flow under the plate and how that is achieved.

@gold3nrul311

5 жыл бұрын

@@MELODYMUNROI don't have Dr Novak's answer, but I think the point here is that a void space of water underneath substrate is way more effective at allowing "natural flow/exchange" through the substrate than having a "wall" of glass at the bottom. I assume it's a product of fluid and thermo dynamics (not a physics person), in that the void space gives a cushion/channel of water that solid substrate cannot. I'm considering making a plenum now with an optional tube system so that I can induce flow or pump out via siphon if it's discovered to be useful.

Thanx for all the great info! Haters be hatin' tho, sheesh!

Can I use crushed Terra Cotta instead of Laterite since it's clay with iron content?

@anoxicfiltrationplenums

3 жыл бұрын

Sorry No. Terra Cotta is clay but not the right kind.

Dr . Novak ... can you use a product called “ Marine Pure “ instead of bio balls for this application ?

@anoxicfiltrationplenums

3 жыл бұрын

Yes you can use Marine Pure if you don’t have bio balls.

Hi Dr Novak, can we use chelated iron instead of laterite?

@anoxicfiltrationplenums

7 ай бұрын

yes

I think the bio ball can be use smaller than this if there is none of that size. And using undergravel filter. Just my 2 cents.

How will the water move in and out of the plenum if there is no uplift tube?

@anoxicfiltrationplenums

3 жыл бұрын

Through diffusion of fluids. AN uplift tube will move water through displacement and diffusion.

@JesusHerrera-vx2pn

2 жыл бұрын

Here is a video from Dr. NOVAK ADDRESSING some of that kzread.info/dash/bejne/ZZ6czLmTc6_blqQ.html

What about filling a mesh bag with coarse gravel or plastic bottle caps, laying that down then putting a fabric screen on top before adding the substrate? Would that have the same effect as a plenum?

@anoxicfiltrationplenums

2 жыл бұрын

Good question. However, you don’t want to turn a Plenum into an under gravel filter. You do want to keep it as a void underneath the substrate. I guess with some innovative thinking you can do it if it’s done right . However: would the screen start bowing and bending or even breaking from the weight of the substrate on top of it without adequate support?

@vanissaberg5824

2 жыл бұрын

@@anoxicfiltrationplenumsWhat I'm thinking since I don't have the bio balls or plastic mesh available, maybe I can lay down a layer of plastic peanut butter jar lids drilled with holes on the bottom of the tank laying flat, then fabric on top then fill the smaller gaps with pebbles? Or a lid from an old 5gal paint bucket drilled with holes sufficient? Dose it have to cover the entire bottom of the tank, or can it be a little smaller?

Would lava rocks work instead of the bio balls? Or what about biochar, or both?

@anoxicfiltrationplenums

10 ай бұрын

Yes that would be okay too.

Is it OK to use a coarse sponge to make a plenum?

@MarcassCarcass

5 жыл бұрын

That's a good question. I was wondering about using a layer of lava rock instead of bioballs, how big should the rocks be for a 50 gallon aquarium.

It appears that I have cyanobacteria growth -bluish green covering but not slimy- on my plants and a bit on the substrate. My 5.5 g. tank was set up in January 2020 with the plenum set up using 1 in. Bio balls, plastic canvass, two 1 1/4 layers of kitty litter with 1/4 in Seachem red between them, and 1 in of fine gravel on top. API H2O tests pH 7.9, NH3, NH4 0 ppm, NO2 0 ppm, NO3 0 ppm, GH 8 or 140 ppm, KH 6 or 100 ppm. Low to medium Nicrew LED lighting, air but no CO2. I am running an Azoo 60 nano HOB with 2 pieces of simple fiber media and a sponge prefilter. Stock is 1 male Betta, 10 Ember Tetras, 4 Kuhli Loaches and 3 Nerite Snails. I perform a 3/4 g. H2O change weekly. I have not vacuumed the gravel not wanting to suck up the micro organisms that the Kuhlies like to feed on. I have fed sparingly often 3 days between feedings. I am starting to feed live brine shrimp daily to.every other day. Have been considering Erythromycin dosing, but can't find out if it will kill off the Hetertrophic Facultative Anerobic Bacteria. Not sure what to do can you please help.

@anoxicfiltrationplenums

3 жыл бұрын

Dwight Foote what I would suggest is to use some hydrogen peroxide at low level dosage. I think I may have a video on just how to use it with a syringe. If you can try to suck up as much of that algae as possible to get it out of the tank. Another question I have to ask is did you introduce anything new into the tank like plants, they could’ve already had the algae on it/them and you didn’t notice? The only reason I ask is because it’s happened to me where I have bought plants with slime algae on them.

What brand of kitty litter do you recommend?

@daltonnovak199

5 жыл бұрын

Greg Allen Wal-Mart

So you don’t need flowing water on the plenum layer since you said don’t plug in the filter? Or I thought you mentioned something about slow moving water under there?

@anoxicfiltrationplenums

Жыл бұрын

A plenum can be made with the water moving very slowly with the aid of a pump, or it can remain without a pump or any mechanical means.

Hi Dr ... I noticed on the Flora Max bag it says “ Not suitable for discus or shrimp , may raise ph “ ... I am building a discus tank , what can I use that will not raise my ph , thanks ...

@anoxicfiltrationplenums

3 жыл бұрын

Exactly what are you planning to do?

@peterkropp5603

3 жыл бұрын

@@anoxicfiltrationplenums I’m looking for a Laterite replacement , but I found it on one of your other videos , thanks...

Starting a new tank soon and not sure which way to go . Undergravel or a dirt sand from father fish channel

@anoxicfiltrationplenums

Жыл бұрын

Go with Father Fish

@jamesjames7247

Жыл бұрын

@Anoxic Filtration & Plenums for the Aquarium I've been checking both channels out alot and both look good .

bio balls topped with plastic mesh, then 0.5in of any substrate (kitty litter) then 0.25in of laterite then another 3-4 inches of substrate (kitty litter) or bio balls top with mesh then 0.5in of ironite then 3-4in of substrate

first time i've ever heard of a plenum. Ok, so some questions, are the bio balls on the bottom used to elevate so that the water can flow through or do they serve only for the purpose of bacteria to grow on? if it's for elevation would Pvc pipe work with your mesh then weed mat on top? to my understanding a plenum is used to create anoxic conditions that help denitrifying bacteria to grow instead of anaerobic bacteria correct? Do you need to have water flowing through the plenum using a pump, or is this a natural occurrence?

@anoxicfiltrationplenums

6 жыл бұрын

Kye Hills they are only used to elevate you can actually use anything you want I just use the bio balls as an example because I had them on hand but yes they will aid in bacteria growth.

@JesusHerrera-vx2pn

2 жыл бұрын

kzread.info/dash/bejne/ZZ6czLmTc6_blqQ.html

Could you add sand as your final “top” substrate?

@anoxicfiltrationplenums

2 ай бұрын

yea if you like.

Do I need kitty litter and ladder rack to do the Plenum

@anoxicfiltrationplenums

Жыл бұрын

Actually, no, it does help, but is not a necessity. Make sure your substrate is anywhere between 1 to 4 mm in size and it should work no matter what substrate you use.

Can we use soil instead of sand

@anoxicfiltrationplenums

3 жыл бұрын

Yes, but the same principles applies to dirt as well as sand.

I am be shock

Dr. Novak, if I can’t find the round bio balls, could I use some lava rock instead?

@gold3nrul311

5 жыл бұрын

use anything highly porous, the point is to have "void space"for water to collect

So essentially, it's just a bioactive substrate?

What does it do?

@YoungSinatra25

5 жыл бұрын

It helps cultivate specific bacteria for nitrate reduction.

Does the Plenum have to be an inch deep?

@anoxicfiltrationplenums

8 ай бұрын

The Plenum itself can be anywhere between a half inch to 1 inch high. The substrate on the other hand should be at least 3 to 4 inches deep.

Can u use lava rock instead of the balls

79 cents ... $3.50 each for a small sheet where I live.

@BiscuitFever

3 жыл бұрын

Oh no, end of the world... aquariums already cost hundreds of dollars. How will you afford the cost? We’re talking about $2.71 more per sheet! Literally the cost of a bottle of fish food,

@MELODYMUNRO

3 жыл бұрын

@@BiscuitFever A 200gram (7oz) bottle of tetra flake where I live is $44 .. would that be small change for you?

Why the reuplods???

@robertl.tisdale5166

6 жыл бұрын

I was wondering the same thing. Almost everything disappeared. Now everything is be uploaded again. Dr Novak, is everything ok?

@conniemaglioli1452

6 жыл бұрын

He had a lot of rude and vulgar comments on his videos so he cleaned them up! I was scared, too!

@MoreChannelNoise

6 жыл бұрын

were they really rude or just disagreed with him? what abt free speech and the other side of an argument.

@gold3nrul311

5 жыл бұрын

free speech lol, you mean companies using astroturfing to attack him? That's probably what happened. Fertilizer companies don't like when people show their product to be less than useful. @@MoreChannelNoise

I want run a plenum on a new setup but I am going to house Geophagus Tapajos and worry their earth eating will disturb the biological processes. Thoughts?

@anoxicfiltrationplenums

6 жыл бұрын

Scott Whitten I have goldfish and the move the earth also. Just add some craft screen 1" from the top of the substrate and cover it to stop them from digging too deep.

I thought you wanted something to create a slow flow inside the plenum?

@anoxicfiltrationplenums

3 жыл бұрын

You’re absolutely right inside the Plenum should be a slow flow.

@JesusHerrera-vx2pn

2 жыл бұрын

I think this will help kzread.info/dash/bejne/ZZ6czLmTc6_blqQ.html

I scoured the entire Internet (and it’s still dirty). But I could not find any Laterite available to purchase Anywhere! The second best I could find is Carib Sea Eco Complete (Black). The Marketers claim, “New formula for enhanced root development. Why does Eco-Complete planted aquarium substrate outperform other products? For the same reason that Hawaii, Bali and Costa Rica are famous for lush, exuberant plant growth. The secret lies in rich basaltic volcanic soil which contains iron, calcium, magnesium, potassium, sulfur plus over 25 other elements to nourish your aquatic plants. Eco-Complete Planted Aquarium Substrate is mineralogically and biologically complete, giving you luxuriant aquatic plant growth without nuisance algae. Iron rich Eco-Complete eliminates the need for laterite. No artificial dyes, paints, or chemical coatings. Eco-Complete has highly porous spherical grains for optimum diffusion performance and contains live Heterotrophic bacteria to rapidly convert fish waste into natural food for your aquatic plants. It establishes a natural biological balance which makes cycling a new aquarium faster and safer. “

@anatolehondulet4140

5 жыл бұрын

I found Duplarit G from Dupla, on Amazon. I hope it helps, regards.

Wow. You have fish in tanks that are WAY too small for them. This is just cruel. A goldfish does NOT belong in a 1 gallon tank.

@gold3nrul311

5 жыл бұрын

what a stupid comment

@schilling3003

5 жыл бұрын

@@gold3nrul311 if you think goldfish belong in a bowl you are a moron. They require a large tank.

@gold3nrul311

5 жыл бұрын

Show me where he has an actual goldfish in an actual bowl. Waiting. @@schilling3003