“god slayers die so fast” as they are fighting an Araknorock in the front and getting hit by flamethrowers from behind.

"Channel your inner skaven" *sounds of book of grudges being opened*

@devilsmessanger

Жыл бұрын

I can hear the pages flipping indeed !

@user-kv4vd6sy3m

Жыл бұрын

This goes right straight to the book of grudges! yes! yes!

@sizzle9475

Жыл бұрын

Legend just got his own book. The unforgivable grudge. They will not stop until Australia is a even more desolated wasteland. Thanks Legend you just killed an entire country

@Lionbug

Жыл бұрын

You went full skaven. Never go full skaven

@DanielGonzalez-mx7bi

Жыл бұрын

Basically Legend want us to be 🐀

16:43 "That's really bloody handy" he says as he pans over the Bloody Hand's territory.

@Loj84

Жыл бұрын

Nice.

@MrThatpersonthatguy

Жыл бұрын

Nice.

@GabeBoyd

5 ай бұрын

Nice.

Also worth keeping in mind that Ambush attack doesn't work with all factions; Coast is still unable to move during ambush stance despite the latest update, for example.

@faeezf

Жыл бұрын

Nakai also cannot move in ambush stance

@maxpower3990

Жыл бұрын

@@faeezf or have encamp stance.

@93DTKH

Жыл бұрын

Might be horde faction & lords cant move in ambush stance. Try it with coast normal lord and it work.

@michael_7344

Жыл бұрын

@beerrrrs You can reach level 50 now. Which means every lord can go to the last skill in: blue line, yellow line, red line, special line. And still have extra points remaining. For me the 10 extra skill points justifies spending 3 on lightning strike. It means I still have 7 more points than I did in Warhammer2. Only exception could be spellcaster lords where you might want to skip the blue line.

Someone at CA definitely facepalmed when this was brought up. No way is this intentional after they went through that work of changing reinforcements and lightning strikes

With the increased fatigue penalty and now costing three skill points, I feel like Lightning Strike is a lot more balanced than in TWW2. So I tend to avoid it these days.

@IT14th

Жыл бұрын

"It's balanced so I stopped using it" 🤣

@isaacplanas4948

Жыл бұрын

@@IT14th Broken or nothing

@sagittariusa9012

Жыл бұрын

It is still very useful for most factions. It is just not a "must pick" anymore.

@gerhardtbrian90

Жыл бұрын

@@IT14th just because it's balanced doesn't mean it's worth spending 3 points to get it.... TWWH2 you only need to spend one point on it and it was OP so it was an obvious choice.

@what3verfloatsurgoat391

Жыл бұрын

@@gerhardtbrian90 well, you had to spend 6 points to get it. Obvs you’re gonna get route marcher, but then the extra 5 blue line skills you have to get aren’t always that useful for most factions

Now that´s what i call a "massive oversight" by CA! Not that this would have been the first time either...

@therasco400

Жыл бұрын

To be honest I think it works better this way, just change it so it takes 50% movement to go into and it will be balanced for other factions.

@Dewmuss

Жыл бұрын

@@therasco400 horrible idea. ambush should never be 50% lol. you have to rely on it so often to get coward AI to attack you

@bigZoeGsm

Жыл бұрын

@@Dewmuss truth

@nightknight6947

Жыл бұрын

@@therasco400 Why should it cost so much and then no reinforcement for defender but plenty for attacker? Doesn't make sense

@mrbouncelol

Жыл бұрын

@Grayble's Gringus Poor attempt... back in my day trolling used to mean something

I did wonder my my troops were exhausted at the start of some battles. I didn’t know lighting strike did it. Thanks Legend

@Pippett4649

Жыл бұрын

No one fall for this horse shit message on winning something FYI

@jackharrow7147

Жыл бұрын

legend of total wal lmao

@Sirolfusable

Жыл бұрын

Lightning strike was too good, so CA made it less than useless

"I swear you'll never need lightning strike ever again! So watch it, drink it in!"

@MagicOmelet

Жыл бұрын

I understood that reference

'A little bid dodgy...' he said, to the sound of a 1000 noble monocles wildly popping.

Its so much fun to attack in ambush stance. I love it.

"Dwarf-Things-Things stole Our tactics"

@arisplugis5197

Жыл бұрын

does Beastman recruitment ambush still work in WH3? i mean,... in WH2 you could ambush 4 armies in one turn. because of recruiting one unit army stay ambushed after battle is over for next one. is this still working? i do not have a proper gear to run WH3 jet. so i do not know.

I noticed, I could attack in ambush stance, didn't notice it blocked reinforcements, good to know :D

@QuestionableObject

Жыл бұрын

Its probably gonna be removed cause I'm pretty sure its a bug lol.

They let us move in different stances that used to lock you in place for our convenience but didn't think about the side effects such as this. Also moving in encamp stance is strong for resisting ambushes

@judgedread9724

Жыл бұрын

Which is a good change. Although it reduces movement allot, it at least gives most factions a way of countering ambush stances.

@mikurusagawa6897

Жыл бұрын

@@judgedread9724 Yea, but I really don't think that moving in encamp stance makes any sense. It got ambush defence increase in huge part because you were commiting to being stationary. Just add a 'cautious march' option for with like 25% less movement and ambush resistance lower than encamp stance.

Wow this explains a lot. I’m 99% sure the AI has done the ambush stance trick on me at least twice in my last campaign.

@kluasvt828

Жыл бұрын

Same. I couldn't understand how he constantly was attacking me in ambush stance

@hailforge7038

Жыл бұрын

I thought it was just me and was hesitant to comment, but yes! The AI has definitely done that to me. Now having confirmation about it, I won't even feel bad using it. Two can play this game, CA!

This video made me realize if you start the endgame crisis so early, the world will be a real mess as you expand, not just when you're already a powerhouse, like maybe all of brettonia might be wiped out by vampires by turn 20 already, so that's one less order faction for the entire game, could really shake things up.

@radoslawpiotrpaszek3257

Жыл бұрын

Actually these armies that spawn either freeze and wait until get discovered by you or ignore everyone and go for you which is absurd

@hatenuke1

Жыл бұрын

@@radoslawpiotrpaszek3257 not true , i started a game as vilitch with all the events and they fucked everything in the old world 😂vlad shat on everyone

One thing I did discover that's a drawback to Lightning Striking this way is that the AI can withdraw if it doesn't like the results. They can't do that with Lightning Strike.

This is so cheeky, I love it.

It somehow brings me great joy that when you say: Legend of total war here Captions say: Legend terrible here Yes 👍

to be honest a lowered map movement range for a forced ambush like attack is kindof a neat idea, could work with some tweaking

@PhilipJFry-qh2jg

Жыл бұрын

Makes sense from a lsco standpoint

"channel your inner skaven" gotta love the sound of that.

One of the best maps to corner camp imo. I fended off 3 orc armies with 1 army as kieslev by doing the same tactic

Ah yes, The Cooler Lightning Strike.

Duffy duck: Sell all my reinforcments stock, i hear that ligthning strike is about to die!

Dunno if it's worth doing saving your disasters in campaigns where someone kind of asked for it. I mean if you put the ultimate disaster on the minimum timer and haven't taken an entire province by the time it launches you could just start the campaign anew. Obviously this one was also to showcase the ambush stance attack.

would have taken less dmg if you would have besieged the settlement with finn and finished the other army off with thorgrim bcs he was in reach of rest of the greenskins leftovers but well at the end the troops will heal again and no one got wiped out anyway so its just min maxing

Now that’s the true Skaven act. Ikit Claw would agree yes-yes.

@IAMTHEJUGGERNATE

Жыл бұрын

Needs more warpstone

I always take lightning strike as i still find it useful in my campaigns, and i also like picking up the headhunter one for the upkeep reduction so nothing lost - the fatigue is annoying tho 😆 it does make sense i guess

@DIEGhostfish

Жыл бұрын

There was always a smaller penalty on it in prior games I mod it back to that

Being able to move in ambush and encamp stance for pretty much every faction has been one of my favorite changes in 3, right next to reducing the Legendary supply lines to 4%. I know that I've initiated combat without swapping out of ambush but I guess I was never in a situation to deny enemy reinforcements that way cuz I had no idea. And I wish I knew before this video cuz it seems super unintended and will probably be patched soon. And if it is intended what's the point of lightning strike?

@DIEGhostfish

Жыл бұрын

Trading vigor for movement on the map I guess

@souppiyas6987

Жыл бұрын

Agree on moving with the stance since it's a lot easier to calculate the distance. But reduce supply line to 4% from 25% is a lot too easy IMO. I can have 3 armies in turn 15 while only 1 from the last ver. I think around 10-20% is quite optimum.

WOW! THX Lord of Cheese for the shared knowledge!

That’s a grudging for the grudge against the inner skaven

This cheese is so unprecedented and evil I love it

Ah yes yes, inner skaven and friendly fire. Good-perfect yes yes

interesting thing to note about this exploit: Horde factions like Vampire coast or Nakai cant move while in ambush stance, unlike the rest of the game's lord

damn... i mean i love that you now can move each round in camp stance to creep through scaven or corrupted theritory without to switch it on and off. And moving in ambush stance is great for repositioning. atacking while in ambush stance... that needs a hotfix to be honest. totally kills the lightning strike otherwise.

@theupperechelon7634

Жыл бұрын

LS is already dead. You very rarely go blue line these days.

@virgolaniakean8001

Жыл бұрын

And who said that? The ominous ficticious metamonster?

@KamikazKid

Жыл бұрын

@@theupperechelon7634 I still go blue line, but you're right lightning strike is sub-optimal compared to taking ambush defense or attrition reduction.

@ricwalker6600

Жыл бұрын

@@theupperechelon7634 I call that BS. LS Might be subpar, but only caster lords like Malagor, Teclis and co dont go blueline fist. in blue line is army cost reduction, atrittion and ambush prevention, replenishment buffs, ambush success chance.... there is a lot that really helps you. Getting a whole more minute or two before reinforcements of the enemy arive, can mean you win the battle before they start to come in. i cant count how many battles i would have lost if i had not picked up LS.

@theupperechelon7634

Жыл бұрын

@@ricwalker6600 Some Skaven goes blue line first. Maybe Lizardmen depending on your playstyle. That's about it. Even for Beastmen it's not prio 1 anymore. A lot of Factions might go blue line later, but for most it used to either first or second. Now it's do I even want to.

when they get rid of a cheese and still leave the alternatives open.

Oh... Okay... This is why I love you legend.

I fully agree, ambush stance is possibly the most overpowered thing in the Total War: Warhammer games, ever. Not only can you use it to Lightning Strike, but on enemy turns, when they don't see your army, it can make the AI very easy to manipulate into doing incredibly stupid things (like... just marching one of their armies straight forward into what they think is an area/settlement or weaker army). It can even change their priorities if they cannot see an army they were targeting and they will just derp off somewhere else.

@PhilipJFry-qh2jg

Жыл бұрын

Not overpowered if it does what intends to do...set up an hidden ambush.

@Loj84

Жыл бұрын

@@PhilipJFry-qh2jg 1. There are ways to counter ambushes, but the AI rarely makes use of them. So it is OP against AI. 2. What legend showed in the video is absolutely not what its intended to do.

@RandomIdiotGS

Жыл бұрын

​@@PhilipJFry-qh2jg I'm with Legend on this one and I don't think it's intended by CA that you can ambush on your own turn, just by going into the stance and doing pretty much what Lightning Strike does, while the latter costs you 3 skill points. It completely invalidates getting Lightning Strike which intentionally cost 2 more skills points in Total War: Warhammer 3 than in Total War: Warhammer 2. And for the record, I call it overpowered in the sense that it's way more powerful than what is was intended to do as it doesn't seem to be implemented right. I'm not one of those kiddos that screams about something being overpowered and that it needs a nerf. I like overpowered things and every single thing can be overpowered for all I care. Considering just how much you can break the AI with Ambush stance and since it's so easy to use as it just requires you to toggle the stance, there's not a lot of videos on KZread about people who delve into its (insane) usefulness.

@Boingy420

Жыл бұрын

It also takes care of that Hero Wound/Assassinate Problem too. They can't snipe your heroes if they don't see them.

@Nikolas5842

Жыл бұрын

But AI can see a whole map normally. Also it's easily counterable by using heroes like scouts on the map and discovering the ambushes.

He had me at channel you inner skaven.

has your opinions of any factions or units changed compared to your warhammer 2 tier lists?

Hmm..we still need additions for the hero skill trees right? maybe dwarven engis should be able to repair gyrocopters/bombers, very specific, but thematic :D

@KamikazKid

Жыл бұрын

yeah I'd love to see them get a copter buffing skill line, that plus gyrocopter as a mount option would make engis super fun.

@darth0tator

Жыл бұрын

@@KamikazKid wasn't that already speculated? Chaos Dwarves would lead to a dwarf update with more engineering?

I watched your stream, when someone in chat noticed this. I tried it in my Empirecampaign and it worked back then. Since the last patch at least in my campaigns this is no longer possible, heck i cant even move in ambush stance. So at least for me it is no longer working.

@Boingy420

Жыл бұрын

It still works. It's low probability based. AKA, you can attack, maybe miss, withdraw, try attacking again for another dice roll. If you savescum, you can load until you get it working and cheese hordes of armies through ambush initiation.

wait a second.. how does he have that tier of troops available on turn 17? That seems REAL quick.

@oemchen77

Жыл бұрын

Was thinking the same...

@veritasabsoluta4285

Жыл бұрын

Which units? Hammerers?

@AAGEnzee

Жыл бұрын

@@veritasabsoluta4285 no, not those. Thorgrim starts with 1 hammerer and 1 gyrobomber.. but irondrakes, thunderers, longbeards, etc.. are all t3. Giant Slayers are tier 4, but he could've just gotten a couple from the grudge pool. Turn 17 with dwarves for reaching t3, finishing the military buildings required and the time to recruit them, seems about 5-10 turns too quick. The t3 province building takes 4 turns to build, the military building for thunderers/irondrakes takes 4 turns as well, and you can't start it till the province is finished. Let's say you trimmed that down to 3 turns somehow with tech/characters/items or something I'm forgetting, you'd still need to hit the 2nd population growth to start building the t3 province by turn 10. 3 + 3 + 1 turn to recruit the units. Maybe if he went full growth/econ for first 9ish turns, fighting battles nearby and choosing the extra growth option after. Then, dismantled a building to make room for one of the military ones ahead of time? If you could keep that buff (Gorog!) for extra 20 growth the entire time, it might just barely be fast enough, but that seems the absolute fastest you could possibly do it .

Omg that is so great that anyone can attack in ambush stance!

In the first battle if you count the kills of the GS army it amounts only to less than 300, meaning friendly fire from the Irondrakes killed around 40 dwarfs...

@KNR90

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, I love them but you have to be so careful not to have them shooting over your own troops unless at something very large. I tend to checkerboard them in my front line to get a clear line of sight but then you have other infantry to catch the remains of whatever you shot at

@adamsmall5598

Жыл бұрын

@@KNR90 I was surprised he didn't set up his melee units with gaps at the start of the battle. Usually he seems more on top of that kind of unit organization. Felt like he rushed the opening of this battle a bit or something.

*burns the absolute living out of his slayers* -"god, slayers dies so fast!"

@KamikazKid

Жыл бұрын

yeah I hate those damn flame throwers, they take so much micro I'd rather just have more crossbows.

@reefta

Жыл бұрын

@@KamikazKid nahh, i like them very much, they melt enemy units and usually out-damage even the artillery. But, they cant be used as Legend did, sitting behind the lines, which is weird because he already made good use of them in the past

Couldn't Kairos and the Daemon Prince do something similar using Teleport Stance?

The flamers of the dawi

Medium casualties? That looked like high casualties to me. Gonna make the next two turns tough 😂

Whew that's gonna get fixed

I've had the AI do the same thing to me twice as Vilitch

I fear the day the lightning strike ambush stance strat gets nerfed

Mind fucking blown

Flanking slayers is great for the anti large but the moment those threats are gone I save some dwarf warriors and swap positions. A line of dwarf warriors takes way less friendly fire from iron drakes. Just mind sneaky cav.

Super Ambush, I love it!

Since when is possible to attack from ambush stance? I never knew this (no skaven player, so...)

Yes yes inner skaven is good good...

Beard-thing make the most cunning plan-schemes, yes-yes!

See's gimmick Rolls eye's Ca has done it again!

Yeah that's obviously not working as intended. Could you not do the old school siege the settlement and attack the army to deny reinforcements that way?

@Riwillion

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, if the other army was inside the settlement, he could have. Still works.

This is broken in SO MANY layers...

what is the command to be able to move your whole army while maintain formation?

can someone help me? how to get those "pink" special units? i just dont get it

In contrary to WH2 I find myself never using the bottom utility tree anymore. Too many wasted points for lightning strike and casualty replenishment

@meowmeow9326

Жыл бұрын

i havent done this yet, but i plan to get it sometimes just to reduce upkeep. larger reinforcement range is nice too, and its got a bit of other helpful things depending on faction

CHANNEL YOUR INNER SKAVEN lmaooo

lol what an interesting stituation xD

This is old news legend

Wait you can attack in ambush stance? What am I even doing when I play this game. I got hundreds of hours and don't know shit. 'Legend' - that name is really on point.

I'm playing an Imrik Campaign at the moment. Does anyone know if its intended for me to find dwarven runes (the banner type)? I feel like something went wrong there :D

@futonrevolution7671

Жыл бұрын

I'm 22 turns into a Goldtooth campaign, atm, and have a half-dozen dwarf rune banners.

I was not aware of this. Definitely broken, haha

I know that Legend will use this trick someday

Ahh mannn cannot unlearn this.

there's no hard counter to cheese, like a wise man once said

Kinda iffy to send in this battle in any case^^. I mean why do the earliest endgame crisis if you gonna send it to Legend anyways.

feels like lightning strike is bugged in ttw3 , always get wayyyyy too much casualties

So why did Thorgrim have 3 staves? Is that dwarf runes or something.

A severe union disaster situation, huh?

That doesnt seem like it shud be that way..... Nice.

I use the technique, thank you!

Who would have guessed that IE is broken af xD

Wait. Fatigue penalty for your armies when using lightning strike?

lol that's straight up broken, I hope they fix this.

Dodgyvetta Our Hero

slayers die so fast… almost as if they’re trying to die

Lol wow nice find, I mean it’s not that hard to imagine being able ambush attack people in real life haha

that seems kinda broken, and makes lightning strike completely useless

For me, attacking in ambush stance is so obviously unintended that it's as bad as the old backspace bug. YMMV.

i had an ai do this to me tonight so its not dodgey! he took out my cheap backline 20 stack with ambush when i was on top of him the turn before. i MAY be mistaken in that they might not have been close enough together, but i only say that bc im not 100% sure and i always try to keep them close enough

Is it a normal thing or a bug ? If it's legit, what's the point of Skaven and Alith Anar having a special ambush stance ?

Thanks for the video

Jesus that's crazy broken.

How did you get flamethrowers on turn 17?

You could attack while ambush??? I have played since warhamemr 1 I never knew that!

What campaign is that ? How can one have those armies on turn 17 ???????

For a flying hulk of metal gyrobombers are just so pathetic. They need a big buff in stats.

are there more tricks and tips I should know of xD pls teach me senpai!!!

It seems a glitch. Ambush stance shouldn't allow to move, and neither to attack

I will never need Lightning Strike again....until they obviously patch this.

5:29 Gyrobomber has 1.3K armor piercing missiles and THATS the damage it does ? Can you trust any stat these people put in the stupid info box ?

SO THATS WHY IT HAPPENDS TO ME!? the ai abuses this to, played the lizard dude spawning waaaay in the south and got attacked (not ambushed) by a faction when my army was standing RIGHT next to it IN AMBUSH stance. he fcker passed my ambush check and attacked my other lord