Many times I found discovered attacks are more useful than forks since in a lot of cases I've met, when I do a fork, my enemy simply uses one forked piece to protect another. While using discovered attacks to attack two pieces often force them to sacrifice one of the attacked pieces

@Sam-ew8kt

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Agreed) especially discovered checks. By the way, "opponent" is a more proper word instead of "enemy"

@h.t.fosterchen7989

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@@Sam-ew8kt "my arch nemesis"

@ronlaw7233

3 ай бұрын

This video is so useful. I blundered my queen due to a discovered attack that my opponent used!

You make the gnarliest positions seem approachable for anyone. Fantastic stuff as always, Nelson! Any chance you'll sprinkle in some more of those positions where we submit our rating along with our move and you talk about the differences between how beginner/intermediate/expert/master players approach each position?

You have a great talent for breaking things down into understandable segments. Appreciate all you do. Thank you.

When starting watching the video, I was like “ok, discovered attacks, I know that, easy hum?” And it turns out that even knowing the tatics, I can’t solve all the problems. Which means that I’m problably missing those tatics during my games. And that’s why I love this channel. Thanks again, Nelson.

You are a great teacher! Discovered attacks/checks are often very hard to notice, and by learning how to think to create one also helps to learn how to think how to prevent one - maybe if an attach on a higher value piece is only blocked by one opponents piece, it is a good move to just get out of there. I assume if it is 2 or more pieces blocking the attack, maybe in most cases you would have enough time to escape...

@sanjeeva311076

Жыл бұрын

If my opponent has lined up on one of my high value pieces with either mine or his piece(s) blocking (a so-called x-ray attack), I will try to move it out of the way at the first opportunity. If I don't, I usually end up having a bad time. In the same vein, I will try to avoid moving my queen, king or rooks into the line of an pin or discovered attack. Why make things more difficult for yourself?

gotta appreciate the persistence and effort in these guiding videos really nice way to explain chess tactics 👍

Pretty comprehensive! Thank you

This was a very well done video. Excellent progression of examples.

Super instructive. Thank you

I am so proud of myself for seeing the moves in the first position.

Great video, Nelson. Thanks for your stuff. It's interesting, helps me learn and is simple to follow.

This might be my first time commenting on your channel and all I want to say is a big thank you for uploading this video. I think this tactic is one of the most important ones of chess and not only did you explain it in a way that everyone of us understood it, but you also provided us some puzzles regarding this tactic. I do like solving positions a lot, but I prefer being told the theory first and then trying to find the moves- it's something like a lesson to me- and if you could upload other videos in the future in the same way I would be more than grateful!

I watch a lot of chess videos and this is definitely in the top 5 most useful videos I’ve ever watched! Much thanks!!!

Even if there isn’t a discovered attack, you can pin pieces most of the time, freezing your opponent’s pieces.

Great video, thanks!

Discover attack is super fascinating idea! I will look for it more

Wow, Nelson, thanks for the spreadsheet. I'm really eager to find out how much more I need to learn :3

Thanx Nelson for such amazing informative Vedio..

Nelson is my go to chess man. Great stuff, thank you!

Well that's the reason I don't like to leave anything unprotected. Although it's really hard as a beginner to always remember and play accordingly.

The puzzle from 7:15 to 9:15 seems like a particularly illustrative point because there are so many initial check options.

great video!

please continue videos like this

I'm rated around 1900 to 2000 on Lichess in bullet, blitz and rapid. Tactics are absolutely NOT my forte, so this is actually a helpful video to me. I am hoping to be able to apply some of this more readily in the future. Thank you!

Really good upload more of the same please...

For the 4:24 position, I thought it'd be Bb4, threatening Be1+, then Nc2 Bxc2#. But Qc6+ moves the queen out of danger and deals with the threat eventually.

I've found the correct move at 11:12 and the ideas behind it but missed the line of queen takes knight. Likewise at the end I found the correct move but missed the follow-up with the queen. Great video!

Your a great teacher and I wonder if you covered the Smith Morra Gambit, because it's honestly amazing against the Silician especially if the opponent is a Silican Dragon fan or a Svensikonov fan. I think that would be a good tip for Silican players to not finachetto the bishop when the Smith Morra is played

I just learned this a month ago with my chess coach, she just taught me the concept and I was so shocked I attacked 2 pieces at once. I thought that wasn’t possible. Really fun to dominate people with this.

When you showed what the discovered attack, black can play Qb4 and save both but white can still get the rook by trading queens first

0:53 I really like na4 though because it also attacks queen guaranteeing either queen or rook

Nice👍

12:18 after Qg4 what if Be7 defending against Nf6+? also i was looking at Rg6 before knowing the correct move

At 10:45 in the video doesn't knight f6 lead to checkmate because after the pawn takes you have queen g4 then queen g6 mate

@anuragsharma7128

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Black can defend the check with bishop f7. Foiled

@tyerobins6125

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Ok

Starting best move knight d5

11:15 that was rather easy to see as a good move but I couldn't figure out how that ties with discovered attack

Loving the daily upload

@chrisjull8521

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Wooooooo!

@chrisjull8521

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Love this comment section

Fascinating video! When you say the bishop is pinned at 13:30, is that just a technical way of saying that it can't move without exposing the black queen to attack? (Sorry for my ignorance, I'm pretty new to all this.)

14:09 No, your terminology is technically correct, since a discovered check is specifically a discovered attack on the King. Don't be so hard on yourself. :-P Great training video.

12:34 to see nelson staring into your soul

11:13 I found the move, i am thinking that the idea was to pin the pawn that was lined up with the king to fork the king and queen, and if black queen capture on e5, you still fork with the knight check and discovered attack to the queen with the rook.

Thanks Nelson, very good vid as always, but as a musicien I just can't stay sharp, I have to be flat more or less hall of the time.

10:40 I saw Qg4 but wanted to dislodge the pawn first so that it would be check. So, I played Nf6+. Black's only legal move is gxf6, at which point Qg4+.

13:40 is good, but if you do not do this very, very perfectly, you lose your queen. So, good luck riskin your queen for a bishop.

In the first position if knight mova to a4 then black has to save one

I havent wacthed the full video but i think nd6 check

Nelson! At 9:43 can white take black bishop with a pawn, and then (we capture a pawn with discovered attack) we recap the pawn with bishop. If we take on g5, so white can win a rook by Bf7+

At 11:24 isnt knight to f6 black is forced to take with the pawn queen to g4 black king is forced to h7 and queen to g6 mate?

On the third position, what’s wrong with Bb4. Then if the queen takes the rook, Be1 Nf2 Bxf2#

11:36 doesn't work with be7. Anyone has any workaround?

0:56 It would be even more fun if the white threats three black pieces. Bishop threaten to rook. The knight threatens the queen and the white queen threatens a piece of A5 or B4.

@mythbusters866

Жыл бұрын

It would be even more and more fun if the white threats 4 black pieces. White Rook threats black pieces a3-h3 if Knight move.

7:52 I thought it was e 4 because even if the king moved to g 5 to protect the rook from losing him you can use the other rook to kill the black rook and the black king can’t kill neither of them because they are protecting eachother which means free rook

I came here because I don't want to be sorry to not know said chess tactic Thanks chess creator and channel name

6:10 What about queen e2?

Me wanting to premove all the moves of the final one:

Round about 12:00 why wouldn't you start by giving a check with the knight and follow it up with the queen check? That should be an unstoppable check mate attack.

@JoeGillian0

Жыл бұрын

was going to post it, yes good point...

@JoeGillian0

Жыл бұрын

seems we missed Bishop moves to protect king.

Nelson is the Cain Velasquez of chess.

in the example at 10:42 what about Rg6? Same idea of pinning the pawn, knight is tactically defended by the exact same idea.

@arthurrtang9670

Жыл бұрын

I think Black had Be7 there to cover the f6 square. With Qg4, white has the g6 square available for their Knight in response to Black’s Be7, which would fork both their bishop on e7 and Rook on h8

3:46 - I understand the ideas behind the discovered attacks, and this appears to be a good tutorial, but in this instance wouldn't the Black Knight on F5 just go to D6 and block the check instead, because the knight would then be defending the rook?

@gracelessgrace1506

Жыл бұрын

The knight can't take the rook because it is pinned to the king due to the bishop so you can still take the rook for free.

4:25 I’m not sure why Bb4 isn’t an option here, because if white takes the rook it’s then Be1+ Nf2 Bxf2#?

@BigDBrian

Жыл бұрын

white can play for instance Qc6+ to save the queen with tempo on your king and the game goes on

Only 3 minutes in so I dont know if you address this. The first demonstration for discovered attack actually had a large weakness in it and in general I've found is the biggest counterattack to discovered attacks. Danger levels:, the queen can move yo b4 and line up an attack on your queen which is undefended. Its defended by the knight there. Nd5 covers this square, but now creates the opening for Qa5 forking the queen and knight. b4 is a principled response and now your discovered attack was a knight and bishop for a rook, putting you somewhat behind.

@arthurrtang9670

Жыл бұрын

The first example actually wins for white. If black tries to attack white’s Queen with their Queen on b4 when white goes Na4, white can trade queens and then play Bxa8. Be aware of move order because it is very important and can be the difference in these tactical positions. I would personally prefer to go Nd5, and if Black tries Qa5, then again white takes black’s Queen first before taking the Rook on h8.

@skyler114

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@@arthurrtang9670 I was also thinking about lines where bishop forks Queen and rook either style of queen movement. In general though this exchange with the discovered attack on all these lines I think trades down into 1 or 2 points of material lead instead of a apparent 5 point lead with no consequences initially implied, many lines also creating a little pawn island or structural weaknesses on whites end as well. I feel like the 2nd demo does alot stronger justice to to the effectiveness of discovered attacks where you can just win a piece in many cases. That first position is just way too tangled. There are a lot of lines to consider branching off these two, including a countergambit with the a rook if the black knight ends up on c2, ones with Bc2, b5.

@arthurrtang9670

Жыл бұрын

@skyler114, Discovered attacks doesn’t always have to be winning a full piece. One may win an exchange in the outcome, leading to a winning position in general, like for example the first position While I get your complaint on the first position, Nelson just wanted to get his point across about the idea and concept. Nd5 for white is probably the most precise over Na4 to win the exchange and have a winning position.

@skyler114

Жыл бұрын

@@arthurrtang9670 initially when i started writing I was more thinking about moves where the queen isn't traded, which almost draw or end up slightly favorable but fair. It would have been a better later example though about what to watch out for with discovered attacks I think though personally, and the second one was a much cleaner execution overall.

I saw Nd5+ and considered Qxd5, exd5 and then decided to try out Ke7, Bg5+, f6, Nf5+ and after exf5 ran into a bit of a roadblock, now though I can see that if exf5 there's exf6+ forcing Kd6 and pinning the bishop, Bf4+, Kc6, Qxd5+ is begging for Kxd5 allowing Rad1+ and after Kc6 again, BxC7? Yes it's giving up a bishop but it takes the queen off the field and you have two active rooks vs a vulnerable king with two inactive rooks and a boshop doing nothing.

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@chrisjull8521

Жыл бұрын

Replyy

With the puzzle at 4:26, I thought the solution was bishop to g6 with a threat to put it on e1. Dealing with that threat looses trades the queen for the bishop. If they take the rook, the you attack the king. Am I missing something that keeps my simpler idea from being a solution?

@stargate525

Жыл бұрын

Did you mean B4? And I don't think works because your king is vulnerable to qc6, which lets white gain time. They don't win your rook but they'd pick up your bishop on the next check.

@lmilli8124

Жыл бұрын

I see now. My threat wasn't strong enough to gain tempo and white has plenty of options for check to get out of the situation. Thanks!

12:03 Qg4 Be7

@lh8933

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maybe Ng6?

@anuragsharma7128

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Re6 bc8 qg6

5:33 isn't Bishop to c5 threatening checkmate? If white saves the Queen, Bishop to f2 is checkmate. oh I see it now nvm

10:44 Nf6+ and then Qg4+

@polg05

Жыл бұрын

Bb7 and you lost a piece

@lh8933

Жыл бұрын

@@polg05 Nf6+ gxf6 Qg4+ Kh7 Qg6#

@polg05

Жыл бұрын

@@lh8933 doesn’t work because as I said: Nf6+ gxf6 Qg4+ then Bb7, not Kh7

@lh8933

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@@polg05 I see Bg7 is good ,not b7

@polg05

Жыл бұрын

@@lh8933 oh yeah, my bad

Around the 7 minuts Mark can’t you just put the bishop to threaten checkmate instead?

4:28 why not bishop e7 as the first move?

@Adventurer-te8fl

Жыл бұрын

Because black queen can just take the rook

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@moothechicken8904

Жыл бұрын

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@chrisjull8521

Жыл бұрын

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