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You can't say you have lived in Japan unless you have gatekept others about living in Japan.
@tams805
10 ай бұрын
You wouldn't understand unless you've lived in Japan; so you shouldn't.
@RadenWA
10 ай бұрын
Gaslight Gatekeep Gaijins
@brianh.000
10 ай бұрын
Guilty. Usually something like: "Japanese are all so polite, kind, hardworking, and smart!" "Dude, try living there a couple of years and then say that again. I dare you."
@Riku-Leela
7 ай бұрын
Because the people who are determined enough to push through the gatekeeping are often the ones who benefit japan the most and have a better time living there
@algumnomeaihehe
6 ай бұрын
@@Riku-Leelapure ideology
I don't watch Dogen to learn japanese, I watch Dogen to prepare for my first Trip to Japan.
@illiiilli24601
10 ай бұрын
Literally same
@comprehensivecow6679
10 ай бұрын
It helped a lot.... Also In my first trip I was so happy being called 日本語上手, immediately remember his videos.... 😂😂😂
@mayonaise000
10 ай бұрын
I watch dogen because funny man make me jajaja instead of hahaha
@NeverEvi
10 ай бұрын
@@mayonaise000 ハハハ
@wc9760
10 ай бұрын
@@comprehensivecow6679You never forget your first 日本語上手😅
Jōzu is eternal. You cannot escape.
@illiiilli24601
10 ай бұрын
Every time I see a new dogen video I'm like: Okay, how will he fit a jouzu joke this time
@noripee8278
10 ай бұрын
That isn’t about how good your Japanese is. That’s about how bad our communication skill is.
@brianh.000
10 ай бұрын
As is, 「あ、外人だ!」 One day (I must have been having a bad day), a little boy pointed, stared, and yelled the ubiquitous 「外人だ!」, and I immediately pointed back at him and loudly exclaimed 「日本人だ、日本人だ!」, much to the consternation of his embarrassed mother.
@jackthompson6296
10 ай бұрын
Incorrect. This is arguably the third best feature of becoming hikikomori
@storploin3860
9 ай бұрын
@@brianh.000 lol I got 外人だ!'d today. Walked into a tiny clothing shop to buy a sweater, a couple old dudes chilling at the counter. One of them said something to me that I didnt hear (because I wasnt paying attention and, well, because sometimes you just dont hear someone) so I looked up like "Huh?" and he said, "あ、外人だ" as if to say "oh that's why he didnt understand me." When I told him I speak Japanese and just didnt hear him, he got embarrassed and slipped out of the situation to let his buddy handle the transaction. I felt bad about it afterwards lol, in a tiny shop in a residential neighborhood it's probably unusual to see whitey so I can't be too mad at it
I managed a fairly decent back and forth conversation with a nurse who was drawing my blood last week. I left feeling pretty chuffed with my Japanese. Of course, after the doctor's, I hit up the local barber for a haircut, and I promptly lost all ability to describe what haircut I wanted, or answer any of the questions I was asked. Even the picture I conjured up on my phone somehow didn't help. It was quite the demoralising rollercoaster.
@ATTAproject
10 ай бұрын
Fortunately it is a rollercoaster that when seen from faraway it only goes up
@douglas98465
10 ай бұрын
Well, it doesn't matter how good your Japanese is or where you are in Japan, if you aren't at a $200 per cut salon and you don't ask for "business-kei," the barber is gonna fuck you up. 😅
@hikageniko
10 ай бұрын
@@ATTAprojectnice
@tanoAE86
10 ай бұрын
Haha, similar experience. I went to get a haircut in Shibuya, managed to convey i wanted it short side and back, pretty proud of my basic Japanese. The barber understood perfectly, then asked about the top i just said, "omakase shimasu", suprise me. He replied with something i couldn't understand and I just nodded "onegaishimasu". So that was how I ended up with a perm.
@morphe904
10 ай бұрын
@@tanoAE86 At what point did you realize what you just agreed to and how did you react
watching the credits of a non marvel movie is too real. The SECOND that the credits started rolling, I started getting all my stuff and standing up only to awkwardly sit back down as everyone else was silently and diligently watching the credits.
@Colopty
10 ай бұрын
Frankly these days even non-Marvel movies sometimes do after credit scenes so you end up having to sit through them anyway even for other studios or independent movies.
@arizona_iced_out_boy
10 ай бұрын
eh, if I have an easy escape, I just bounce out. It's one of the few (read as many) moments where I'll flash my gaijin card with pride.
@raeldor
10 ай бұрын
SO real. But it doesn't take long before you just take the attitude 'f! this, I'm not wasting another 10 minutes of my life' and jet.
@PaulBlaise
10 ай бұрын
I'm French and I like to watch credits for all movies, not just Marvel.
@tams805
10 ай бұрын
@@PaulBlaise I'm British and the same. Well, unless I didn't enjoy the film. In which case I don't care who made it.
I work as a driver around the Angel Stadium and get lots of Japanese tourists here to see Outani. I speak with them in Japanese for practice since I've never had the opportunity, and now, thanks to Dogen-san's videos, the jouzu compliment no longer feels good at all. And now I know it will never end, I will have to strive for umai.
@thecatofnineswords
6 ай бұрын
and after うまい, you can strive for えらい。
@rsmith02
3 ай бұрын
After erai you can get back to talking about baseball.
When I lived in Japan I thought it was fun to share candy on my birthday with the research group/class since that’s a Dutch tradition. They didn’t like that and one guy (who was honestly rude most of the time) went as far as saying that it’s a ridiculous thing to give something when you should receive stuff on your birthday. One of the memories I made in Japan that was not fun at all. So when you said shitting on your own country to score points I remembered that and I hate it. I love Japan more than the Netherlands but the Netherlands has good stuff too and something innocent as this to be received so weirdly, culture shock to me.
@capuchinosofia4771
8 ай бұрын
Bro wth, here in argentina we do the same. We take something and share it with the group! I made brownies last year, on another friend birthday she brought chipas (bread cheese), and so on and so forth. Im sorry they made you feel bad. Honestly it would have bummed me out so much! Like, just wanna share happiness with you!
@wydx120
8 ай бұрын
I find that "shitting on your own country for social points" is more of an "American living abroad" thing than a "foreigner living in Japan" thing. Lmao
@noseboop4354
8 ай бұрын
That doesn't sound like culture shock, more like a jerk being a jerk.
@Special1122
7 ай бұрын
in Poland when one has birthday then, at least in school, one usually treats everyone with some candies. also on Valentine's day it is boys who give chocolate and ask girls out, where in Japan it is the opposite which always seemed a bit weird to me. culture difference, interesting stuff 😅
@yaboicolleen
6 ай бұрын
dang, even in the US it's not uncommon to bring snacks to work/school on your birthday. I don't know much about Japanese culture but it kinda sounds like that guy was a jerk. who gets mad at someone trying to share snacks??
Lately, I'm finding out that if you have a question about the Japanese language and want to ask it on Quora, best to ask it in Japanese. I asked a question about ending a sentence in わ because textbooks say it's considered girly, but a male hip-hop group I listen to, nobodyknows+ occasionally does that, and "girly" is _not_ a word I used to subscribe them. Plus another male KZreadr I'm subscribed to uses it. The first English answer I got said, "It's common when singing a sing originally meant for a woman not to change the wording if a male sings it." Okay, but nobodyknows+ doesn't dub over songs. They pretty write all of their lyrics. So if a singer in that group ends a sentence in わ, they 100% meant to do that. The second English answer confused は with わ, and in the example sentence they gave, confused 来る with 黒(kuro) and misspelled 僕 as "boko." He transliterated the phrase 僕の車は黒だ as "Boko no kuruma wa kuru da." Despite this, his subtext was "knows Japanese." When asking the same questions on Quora in Japanese, I got way better and way more helpful answers from people that actually went the extra mile to make sure I understood the concept of わ and even its historic background. By the time they answered my question, literally everything became clear. One answer explained that it's a Kansai dialect thing. (Which explains why nobodyknows+ does it because they're from Kansai) Another answer explained that in Tokyo, apparently, guys do it, but pronounce わ differently than how girls pronounce it. Another explained that it's an age-old cliché. Basically in books and media, わ is used to let you know "the person speaking is female." Another one explains "It's not like it's 'against the rules,' but it is more common for females to do it." I left Japanese Quora a wiser man!
@thichinhphan4010
10 ай бұрын
This is a very nice lesson. Thank you for sharing!
@icemuckbanggg
10 ай бұрын
supper helpful because I'm a flamboyant straight male if that makes sense. 😅
@nantsuu
10 ай бұрын
Yes, I believe with descending pitch accent, sentence-final わ is a neutral Kansai dialect emphasis particle (like よ or ぞ/ぜ) and with ascending pitch accent, sentence-final わ is a feminine emphasis particle.
@adriancentra
10 ай бұрын
This! I was so surprised recently that a male Japanese friend used „wa“ in conversation. I only knew the „girly“ version that you hear from fancy ladies in anime. He explained that that’s not really used irl. Instead, wa can have a similar usage and meaning as „ne“ (or a lot of other more nuanced/dialect particles) and is quite common. I think the biggest difference is that it’s casual, while the stereotypical „feminine“ thing is desuwa, masuwa
@l4ur158
10 ай бұрын
Yeah if wa is used for girly its an example of yakuwarigo, my fav example is old people saying washi instead of watashi, and use jya instead of da at the end of sentences
Well, the beginning was a bit Tokyo-centric, but overall very solid. That said… I now feel obligated to ‘represent’ and add something from rural Japan. How about, “…until you start bringing your own fruits and vegetables to share with your coworkers.” Or maybe, “… until you start feeling defensive about generalizations on Japan based on Tokyo-centric data.” 😆
@shiromochi-kun
10 ай бұрын
「空き家の改修に関するKZreadチャンネルを開始するまで」はどうですか?
@Jordan-inJapan
10 ай бұрын
@@shiromochi-kun 確かに。でも、僕の場合は新しい家建てた。はずれ?😆 (一応チャンネルあるけど。)
@caravantea
10 ай бұрын
「一番好きなコンビニはポプラ」はどう?
@NakanakaSubsChannel
9 ай бұрын
You caught me completely red-handed with that last sentence 😂
外人扱い嫌う一方で、外人である特別感だけはちゃっかり享受してるの好き
2:02 that subtle "racist" 😆
I've been in Japan for 5 days already (of the 6 months to be) and have not yet gotten jouzu'd yet, yet I managed to pull a double reverse nihongo jouzu (eigo jouzu'd them twice, that is) on Japanese people speaking perfect English when I did not expect them to. Dunno how to feel about that.
@brianh.000
10 ай бұрын
After 5 days, no need to feel anything yet! Give it a year... 👍
@deinalptraum7858
9 ай бұрын
I averaged about once per week during a longer trip recently, it doesn't happen as often. Or I suck lol. Give it some time.
I lived in Japan for 5 years. I never got homesick. I used to have nightmares, that I was back in my home country trying to get back to Japan. I'd wake up in sweats and think: "oh thank you god, I"m still in Japan". That happened starting from year 1....
“Kamisama have mercy for I sweat for thee”: indeed a direct translation. 😂
Started my study abroad last week, can't wait to experience these
@rsmith02
3 ай бұрын
Might take a few years
I am not sad that people are telling me "nihongo jouzu" because I know that that is a chance for me to show off by saying "iie, sonna koto ga arimasen". It feels like a secret handshake.
@noripee8278
10 ай бұрын
Iie, sonna koto WA arimasen
Me: GO AWAY. I DO NOT HAVE A TV. NHK Guy: GO AWAYじゃないよ.
At this point I just assume Dogen makes a video everytime he has been jōzu'd
Just came back from my first trip to Japan and I was counting how many times I was nihon go jouzu'ed
どー源さんのお話は皮肉が効いていてとても面白いです。 そして、日本語が上手です。
@OrangeC7
10 ай бұрын
どー源さんww
@illiiilli24601
10 ай бұрын
道元✘ どー源○
@salade99
10 ай бұрын
土手?
@tenof887
10 ай бұрын
That second sentence cracked me up!
@Oblithian
10 ай бұрын
どー源じゃない!ドーゲンです。 _(アメリカ人)_ lol
I actually laughed pretty hard at this video, so I think I've almost reached the peak of understanding Japanese culture
I call regifted omiyage "gomiyage".
@brianmessemer2973
7 ай бұрын
Hahaha
震度3のリアクションが正に日本人のそれで草
日本語上手!
どーげんはそのうち「英語しゃべれたんや」って言われそう
Actually I kinda enjoy people not sitting beside me on the train, since I generally avoid physical interaction. On the other hand, I also do the same and avoid sitting beside anyone (whether it be Japanese or foreigner) unless I'm absolutely tired or it's a reserved seat.
I just refreshed my recommended and a new video! I love that the format of the videos is the same from your first videos to now
I am from Brazil and I spit facts about my country as a warning, out of the kindness of my heart
@Charadediana
10 ай бұрын
Trueeee, i do it aswell
@noripee8278
10 ай бұрын
Don’t worry. As a Japanese woman whose partner is Brazilian, I do know how Japanese people look down on people from SouthAmerica, Africa, SouthAsia and so on. Many Japanese people hate to see those people who are diligent and well mannered. They get 〝happily angry〟when they heard that foreigners committed crime. They want to think that they are loftier than people from any other countries.
@user-oj7vg5cc6z
9 ай бұрын
@@noripee8278一般化した時点であなたも同じ穴の狢ですよ。あなたが外国人の配偶者がいることで経験した不幸については察するに余り有りますがその国ついての大抵の情報は根も葉もない全くの流説だとは言い切れんでしょう。
@user-oj7vg5cc6z
9 ай бұрын
@@noripee8278特に”Many Japanese people hate to see those people who are diligent and well mannered.”の部分、これは特に納得できませんね。あなたは随分と日本人に対して偏見があるように思われる。
@cpkeyes1823
9 ай бұрын
Funny whem Brazillians like to spam COME TO BRAZIL in any kind of thread
Gajin hunter is so true, we had one that hang arround the school and then we figured out that she has hunted like half the guys in the class 😅
@noparticularreason9791
10 ай бұрын
Dang, that's exactly what I call "pocahontas" or "sushi girl"
My favorite thing is to let my friends all go ahead of me when talking to any staff. They speak zero japanese and i wont help them at all.... Then when the staff finally gets to me, i hit them with the eigo jouzu desu ne and slip in the B tier japanese and watch their expressions go from -thank god i dont have to speak english again To YOU MOTHERFUCKER YOU SPEAK ENGLISH?
@infernaldisdain8051
10 ай бұрын
Are you a supervillain?
@MapleShrimp
10 ай бұрын
Absolutely evil. Keep it up!
@Irena26H
10 ай бұрын
😇🙏 I patiently await the day when I am fluent enough to be like you 😈
I always felt like blaming your problems on Japan was just a lesser stage to internalizing the shō ga nai. That's when I know someone's truly got it. EDIT: Though upon reflection yeah, I guess it's a step beyond the "Japan is the perfect land of magic and wonder" that many people start out with, which I guess is what this video's really having a bit of fun with.
@methos4866
10 ай бұрын
You haven't truly lived in a country if you don't have some stuff to complain about. That's a universal thing.
@brianh.000
10 ай бұрын
Wait, are you saying Japan isn't the shangri-la I was told? Say it isn't so! That one does get real old, fast.
@rsmith02
3 ай бұрын
It's okay to blame your situation... but they what. If you can't figure out how to change it, you have a miserable, bitter life ahead.
1:15 is pain 👁👄👁My face when I tried to fly the gaijin JAL Explorer pass fare, but they checked the landing permission stamp in my passport
This is a painfully accurate summary of the ‚gaijin living in Japan‘ twittersphere.
@cstpa1
10 ай бұрын
reddit as well
These are brilliant
I'm sure I've done at least half these things without ever setting a foot in Japan.
@be_me
10 ай бұрын
Meanwhile, I've lived in Japan for a year and haven't experienced a single one of these 😂
The earthquake thing resonates hard with Chileans, if its lower than a 5.5 it considered small😂
@howtoappearincompletely9739
10 ай бұрын
"resonates hard" - I see what you did there...
@sophieXchan
10 ай бұрын
"Was that an earthquake or am I just dizzy?" 🤣
@Triforce_of_Doom
10 ай бұрын
I am now reminded of when studying abroad I woke up to some messages from family worried because they heard there was an earthquake & it was either not in the area I was staying at or I slept through it. One of the two.
One holiday in Tokyo, and I understood the Skytree/Harajuku joke! "...how about Skythree and Akiba? Trust me, you're going to love shopping for a used video game"
I wouldn't claim sitting through a non-Marvel movie's credits as evidence I live in Japan. I like listening to the tracks, looking for funky funny names, and waiting for the hidden post credit scene well before Marvel made it a thing. (Dawn of the Dead had one, for instance.) That just makes me an oddball living in the US.
ぜんぶ深い!最後の一言はシンプルだけど、これも深い。
matさんレベルになれば「日本語上手ですね」は言われないと思う。 あれはもう日本語ネイティブだと思われるから。
@icemuckbanggg
10 ай бұрын
だろ
If you've never been eigo jouzu'd by a Japanese person you haven't reached peak assimilation.
The moment you arrive in Japan is the moment you become forever 上手.
HAHAHAHA Dogen always cracks me up
Loved it
That dramatic zoom during the Starbucks part.
This is the kind of content I want. 😂😂 I want to learn everything Japanese.
It's all true, and the 「日本語上手ですね」 leaves you feeling half disgusted because all you said was, 「じゃ、それにしよう」 but still half pleased because your pronunciation is better than any of those Berlitz dweebs. 😂
I can find my way around Team Lab Borderless, enjoyed the earthquakes, sat through the (very long) credits of a movie because everyone else was doing it, never used those hiding towels, but not any of the others.
i saw it coming but it still hit
Ah i'm late to this video but I must say, the LAST ONE!! EXACTLY THAT ONE KILLED MY GUTS FROM LAUGHING 😂 I felt it waaaayy too strong!!
Insight wrapped in humour. 🙇🏻
This is too good
Lmao I was waiting for something about the NHK man
My God, the NHK man. He trapped me into accepting pay-for tv when my tv at my apartment was in my cupboard, unused
The Cycle of Souvenirs sounds a lot like fruitcake. The gift that keeps on giving.
That tour sounded pretty good. Ramen is always the best option.
Wow, you speak Japanese very well.
1:00 Guilty as charged for that 😂 12 years in Japan and I’ve done that, only to accept it was a combination of my incompetence and bad luck 😂
until you start saying "ありがとうございます" like "あっっがっっす"
Until you can move in and out of Shinjuku station without ever getting lost.
Lol I can't say I live here even though I've lived here for 6 years because I've only lived in rural Tohoku so I can't do most of this😂
That…. Was Great!
1:43 oh hey me in southern italy
nice. the quick checklist of living in japan.
At the end of september I'm going to Kitakyushu for two years, for my space engineering master's degree. Let's see, at the end of these next two years, how many of these I'll be able to check.
0:44 this, OMG THIS !!
Ah i must already live in Japan, always watch the credits of movies just incase of post credit scenes. Btw, do those arcade machines where you knock the item off the edge count as crane games? Thats my only first shot win.
The exasperated “Racist.” had me BARKING
brutal. and brutally honest at the same time. the best kind of brutal.
The way once someone says “Nihongo Jouzu” you feel a shiver down your spine, cause you know you must have just fucked up some basic grammar or vocab-
Love it XD
That そうだよ was the guiltiest soudayo I've heard in my life
There's only one thing you can say "I've lived in Japan" about. It is you know how to separate garbage in Japan. It varies from region to region. In some places, you have to separate more than 10 kinds of garbage.
4 magnitude? So another Tuesday for Japanese The last one. I expected the jouzu... Getting jouzu'd everytime hurts, every single time xD
Gosh, I’m living in Tokyo over 10 years and I’m like that 100%. I DON’T KNOW IF IS A COMPLIMENT 😂💦
2:37 Lmao, I've literally been throwing away letters from NHK without even opening them for like forever now
"I knew you wouldn't understand" too real man T_T
After i watch his videos i always avoid saying jozu to gaijin 😂
Is there a omiyage that is just a box with "omiyage" written on it? That would be a gift that you receive and you're expected to regift it!
Bruh. How. BRUH HOW are these always so ACCURATE!?! 😂😂😂
1:39 Addendum: Until you correct an English-speaking friend with "Oh, we don't use magnitude here"
おおお、すごい!にほんごじょうずドゲエンさあん!
@Oblithian
10 ай бұрын
...I have a feeling I spelled Dogen (do-gen, dougen?) incorrectly, which may distract from my intended joke...
if i'd close my eyes i'd assume it was a Japanese voice actor give this man an oscar
You can’t say you have lived in Japan unless you used “すみません” and “はい” for the 8000th time in a week.
日本語本当に上手ですね。
You want to go to Ikebukero next huh, hey look at this cool gundam statue.
I get it. Oh, how I get it. 11 years in Japan, and I experienced a lot of that.
2:16 My record is 2nd try followed by 6000+ down (I stopped counting for the sake of my sanity) and that was just on my first vacation there.
These are all 100% on point.
Not only until you've watched a non-Marvel movie through all credits UNTIL the lights turn back on. But also leave IN SILENCE until back at the car or train/bus stop. これは世の常だ。
Eikawa is actually everyone would try to do in any county
On the earthquake thing, I like to think that would be my reaction; in 2002 I slept through a quake that was magnitude 3.9 at it's epicentre, roughly 60 km away, and then in 2008 I slept through a magnitude 5.2 at its epicentre ~70 km away. Though maybe those were more because I sleep like the dead, idk...
@deadlymecury
10 ай бұрын
What's interesting - he uses not magnitude but seismic activity. 3 is pretty low and my reaction to 3 is to hold my monitor so it doesn't shake that much. I once was woken up by 4 at something like 4am and my only thought was "can you maybe STOP? I want to sleep!".
1:50 my shower thoughts after being nihongo jouzu’d or spoken to in English
ドゲンさんは日本人より日本語が本当に上手ですね!ハハハ Oh, you just got jouzu'd again lolz
I blame absolutely everything on living here. That is accurate.
LOL hiding towels. Not even once. I do bring one to put on my head in the Sauna though.
その最後は最近に思ったよな… いつも動画面白いありがとう
@karifurai8479
10 ай бұрын
は?
The way I laughed at the punchline of 1:45 🤣
永遠にですか!?😭
ねぎ玉牛丼、頭の大、チーズ増し didn't need the menu once this vacation in August.
@ddlc_monika
10 ай бұрын
Slight appendix to 2:30 We Germans collectively shit on America as well, just because they deserve it.