@7:39: fyi, the armies will be zombie tokens, so these WILL affect your armies. Your army token will gain new types as you use different kinds of amass abilities. So if you have an orc army, then you amass zombies, you'll have an orc zombie army.

@Nickowski

4 ай бұрын

They will be zombies, but they won't be tokens. An army token is only created if you don't control an army. So all of the changelings in the deck won't benefit from these effects, and if you got them out before you ever amass, you won't even have one token army to get the benefit.

Great vid! I’ve built it quite differently - I’m keeping the Nazgul as 3-mana Ring triggers for Sauron, and because they’re pretty good returns as they keep getting cast. Maskwood nexus is a must in this deck: not only your creatures become armies, if you keep the Nazgul, they’re all Wraiths too. I HIGHLY recommend Archfiend of Ifnir in this deck, as your discards turn into one sided board wipes that get around indestructible… Lastly, and this for me has pushed the deck over the edge, Sheoldred the Apocalypse means your Black Market, One Ring, Call of the Ring, and any ring temptation will negate any life loss and potentially get you a ridiculous life lead. I agree that it’s hard to focus Sauron though, and the end product is that my version is a little bit lacking on the army side. But regardless, this is a hell of a fun commander to play!

@aegisgamingofficial2178

Жыл бұрын

That's awesome! I had a similar idea when I first started with it- if everything is a wraith *and an army,* then Sauron's ring tempt triggers go nuts with each Nazgul.

Awesome video! I've been struggling to build a Sauron deck that was as satisfying as it was viable, and by following your video I've cooked up a sweet amass pile in MTGA HB. Rocking the 9 Nazgul in Conjunction Bloodline Pretender and Faceless Agent results in consistent foot soldiers for our Dark Lord... Happy to sub to the channel

@aegisgamingofficial2178

11 ай бұрын

That's awesome! Give the Jodah piles trouble!

i love this deepdive on mechanics good job!

Agreed on that title. Once I sat down to start I said "What the hell do I do with it?"

Finally started working with Sauron. Very detailed analysis! Something im looking at is all will be one. May be too pricey manawise, but dealing damage on every amass trigger makes for some useful little spot removal or extra passive damage

I love your videos. Helped alot with brewing and the process of finding good fits for the deck and avoiding traps. You mentioned going the aristocrats route. What would a deck look like using more of that aspect of Sauron? Any tips for traps to avoid when building in this direction?

I went the reanimator route with ring tempting. So far it’s been fun. Working out the kinks

What I really like about this list is that you can win purely by beating face with a huge Army. No combo shenanigans, no $4k decklist, just a bunch of bulk that overperforms, and that exploits the Amass trigger in a way that feels natural.

Sauron not being the ring barrer is not a flavor fail. Sauron sent his forces out unto the world to bring the ring back to him

@aegisgamingofficial2178

11 ай бұрын

If the mechanic were about "seeking and not actually having" the ring, I might agree, but these are ring-bearers. The in-game implication seems to be that your Ringbearer actually holds the ring, and that's something Sauron wants for himself, not for his orcs.

@PedroStaziaki

6 ай бұрын

@@aegisgamingofficial2178 The mechanic is “The Ring tempts you”, not “You obtain the Ring”. The Ring will be tempting a bunch of people until it falls in the hand of Sauron.

I did amass, Voltron with powerful equipment, ring tempting, and lots of interaction. Also have all the witch king and Nazgul and of course the one ring.

Faceless Haven is a land that can become an Army if needed, could be useful in this deck. If for some reason your army gets killed, you could use this Land to get a Ring trigger.

This is amazing thank you!!!!!!! My goal is to build a flavor good vs evil lotr decks. Do you think you could do an Eowyn 'you dont know to build' next?? Liked and subbed

@aegisgamingofficial2178

9 ай бұрын

That's awesome! Absolutely, I'd love to. It won't be next, but I'll add her to the list!

@vjredline9242

9 ай бұрын

@@aegisgamingofficial2178 mah man!

love the channel and I have a request for your thoughts on Legolas, Master Archer as a commander.

@aegisgamingofficial2178

Жыл бұрын

Just my first thoughts so far, nothing super detailed: I like fight spells for the deck (they target both Legolas and another creature), as well as protection spells, Mutate, and Auras. Pair that with cards like Soul's Majesty, etc. to Draw cards, then slay everyone with commander damage. There are some other tricks in between all that but those are my first thoughts. Thanks for watching!!

@Hehdkrackipt

Жыл бұрын

@@aegisgamingofficial2178 thank you, I'll try to make it with your input in mind. looking forward to more videos. 😊

I would love a sauron the white commander deck, to balance things

I was checking a ruling and the war of the spark lords turn your army in a orc zombie so they would work when the war of the spark amass spells are cast as they have been Errataed to amass zombie now and read as the lotr amass cards

@aegisgamingofficial2178

Жыл бұрын

That's correct, and still not useful for all the reasons I described. Notice that I also lumped Gothmog in with the WAR amass lords. - Even if your Orc army is now also a Zombie army, their effects only help zombie *tokens.* So if you have a changeling on the field, you get 0 benefit from it. If you have Maskwood Nexus or Arcane Adaptation in play, only one of your creatures gets that benefit. It's not their status as Zombies that's the issue, it's their status as *tokens.* That's why I showed off Lord of the Accursed and Hagra Constrictor as well: their effects can span multiple "armies," regardless of their status as tokens.

The title is accurate, I got Sauron and had no idea what to do with him.

@aegisgamingofficial2178

11 ай бұрын

😂 you're not the first!

Does Engulf the Shore acutally work for you in a 3-Color deck? How many Islands do you run and how many do you want to consistently have for it to be effective?

@aegisgamingofficial2178

Ай бұрын

It "works" just fine for me at least. But there's a big asterisk on that. The thing is that you're not so much using it as a cyclonic rift style sweeper- you're using it to reset cards in enemy hands. Even with only 3 islands in play I've been pretty happy with the results, but if you're expecting it to be a big blowout, you'll be disappointed every time.

Congratulations. I am your 1.000 subscriber :-D

@aegisgamingofficial2178

10 ай бұрын

🥳 Thanks for watching!

please make one for muldrotha

damn, good stuff, lost me at Mass removal tho. Not a big fan of board wipes. My playgroup really hates starting games over, lol.

I know it's pretty basic, but ledger shredder seems good here. What's your opinion?

@aegisgamingofficial2178

10 ай бұрын

Early on I was contemplating building this as a weird symmetrical storm deck. The shredder would've been spectacular in that build, but eventually I couldn't justify that direction. Shredder is doing a lot of the same things that Sauron does (counters from spellcasts from each player, looting), but none of those things *enable* Sauron to do what he's doing, or turn on our armies in any real way. It's a fantastic card, and it probably fills the role of some other card draw spell here (albeit with some upside), though I think it's questionable whether that upside is worth the pricetag for the gameplan. I'd probably still play Fact or Fiction. Overall I'd say I'm skeptical, but if you've got one, then try it out! For science, if nothing else 🤠

how exactly are we getting tempted by the ring multiple times? may be a dumb question but I'm a little new to magic.

@aegisgamingofficial2178

5 ай бұрын

Sauron's ability will tempt you "whenever an army you control deals combat damage." So if you can find a way to control multiple creatures with the Army type, the ability will see each of those creatures when they deal combat damage (4 Armies dealing combat damage is four triggers). Normally that's really difficult- Amass only ever gives you the first Army. So creatures with Changeling (an ability that grants every creature type) are really useful.

question, being changelings that means that if you have more than one army the amass goes just for one creature or all the "armys" i mean if all the changelings are all types i can understand that they are armys too, how does it work?

@aegisgamingofficial2178

2 ай бұрын

You choose an army to put the counter on.

@dranox022

2 ай бұрын

@@aegisgamingofficial2178 just one counter not one for all of them right?

@aegisgamingofficial2178

2 ай бұрын

@@dranox022 Correct. Amass means "Choose an army you control. Put a +1/+1 counter on it. If you don't control an army, make one first."

What's the point of having multiple armies if they don't come with the counters? How do you put them on so many armies? Or are you doing it solely to trigger the ring multiple times and draw/discard like crazy? Sorry if i'm being dense, just asking to be sure of the benefits of having multiple armies.

@aegisgamingofficial2178

11 ай бұрын

Thanks for watching! I love getting to talk about these decks more, and there's only so much you can really say in a video (and this one was going long as it was), but I appreciate the question. - Because Sauron's third ability triggers "whenever an army you control" does something, that ability is doing the most when we have multiple army creatures dealing combat damage. So to address that part of your question, it's for the Ring temptations. - To answer the other part of your question, this isn't a +1/+1 counters deck. The fact that Sauron puts counters on an army isn't the focus of the deck, since none of his other abilities care about those counters, so changelings not coming in with counters is a non-issue. However! Because of how the Amass ability is worded, you don't have to always put those counters on the same army: you can choose to distribute those counters among your armies when you amass. Not only is this a safer way to invest those counters by not putting all your eggs into one basket, *but it also helps make a Ring-bearing army harder to block* since the one holding our Ring can't be blocked by creatures with greater power. Having multiple armies to alternate where we put those counters makes it easier to connect, as well as provides more relevant creatures to connect with. Hope this answered your questions! Thanks for watching!

Have you noticed the decklist has 101 cards? Anything you think is worth cutting or did you intend to run with 101?

@aegisgamingofficial2178

4 ай бұрын

It was a note to my future self that I needed to cut a card. Promptly forgot about it 😅 I'll fix that soon.

@Nickowski

4 ай бұрын

@@aegisgamingofficial2178 Thanks! Your videos are super helpful and I learn a ton from them!

Is the Nazgul package worth it with this build?

@aegisgamingofficial2178

11 ай бұрын

I don't think so. Admittedly, there is a really cool synergy with having the Nazgul in play with Sauron and Maskwood Nexus, but none of it's really what the deck wants to be doing and feels more like a "win more" kinda thing.

You've got the army zombie - army orc interaction wrong. An old amass is now amass zombie. When you have an army orc and get an amass zombie trigger, your old army orc is now a zombie orc army.

@aegisgamingofficial2178

8 ай бұрын

What you've said is correct, but the cards that amass zombies (the lords in particular) aren't being cut because they don't interact- they're being cut because they don't do the things we need them to do (or at reasonable rates). I don't have it wrong...because I don't mention anything about it only affecting orcs. If we're after multiple armies and only pump zombie tokens, these really aren't helping with that objective to the degree their mana would suggest.

If you wanted to avoid shapeshifters, but keep the combat focus of the deck/army, what alternatives would you use?

@aegisgamingofficial2178

11 ай бұрын

- If you're not a fan of shapeshifters but wanted to keep the creature type shenanigans, there are loads of cards that can grant creature types to your board. I gave Volatile Claws as an example, but Standardize would be a good combat trick to make all your creatures armies for the turn as well (just do a scryfall search in these colors for the phrase "creature type" to see more). - It would be a build-around, but Artificial Evolution targeting Sauron could change the makeup of the deck entirely. - If you're not interested in a "multiple armies" route at all, then it basically becomes Voltron for your Army, so protection, even more menace, and power-matters payoffs should round out the deck. Thanks for watching!

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