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very misleading....the biggest difference with the 350 is extra payload capacity (extra 1000+ pounds of payload depending on configuration). If you are loading up the truck with family, cargo, supplies, rack, etc, AND a heavy tongue weight (10-15% of trailer weight), you will need the extra payload capacity of the F-350 to stay below GVWR of the truck. And if you are towing at altitude, that screen you scrolled past says to derate your GVWR by 2% per 1000 feet. So at the end of the day with the F-350, for roughly $1,000 more you get 1,000 extra pounds of payload capacity to load up your truck without having to worry about hitting your GVWR. Seems like a no-brainer to me

@rleha7788

Жыл бұрын

Agree 100%. Most important factor while towing is payload capacity.

@neizpiez

Жыл бұрын

Not to mention, most 4x4 diesel crew cabs sitting on lots have the 10k fixed gvwr rating. This video misses the most important points

@muchogracious1557

Жыл бұрын

I agree. I don't know why it's so hard for people to understand that.

@realreviews2003

Жыл бұрын

Yep, did not see this before I made my own post. But yes sir, he needs to do an IN DEPTH comparison of the PAYLOADS on these trucks !!!

@diesel6916

Жыл бұрын

@@muchogracious1557 because Town and Country only build and use for mall crawling

Mitchel, you missed the most important factor and you are kind of misleading; The most important factor in towing in my opinion is payload not towing capacity. Tongue weight of the trailer is a huge factor when deciding which type of truck you get. Yes the 250 can tow 20,000 lbs but with a 5th wheel you can run out of payload really quick. 5th wheels usually transfer around 18% of it's weight to the bed of the truck. I have an F-250 and it has 2,100 payload capacity. Theoretically it can tow 20,000 lbs, but with a 5th wheel of that size it will transfer about 3,600 lbs to the bed of the truck, exceeding my payload capacity by 1,500 lbs. This is the kind of information many RVers don't get when buying a truck and they run out of payload really quick, putting themselves and others at risk on the road.

@crewdawg2008

Жыл бұрын

So often people overlook the combined weight rating, you're absolutely correct. And more than that, people overlook how altitude reduces both the tow and payload capacities.

@PatRiot-

2 ай бұрын

@@crewdawg2008I can understand that altitude affects oxygen levels- but how does it affect the payload?

@crewdawg2008

2 ай бұрын

@@PatRiot- It's more of a power restriction than a physical one. If you're towing or hauling at max capacity at sea level, then you're likely to be underpowered at high altitude with the same load. This is less an issue with boosted applications, however. Naturally aspirated, if I recall correctly, the formula is 4% power loss for every 1000 feet above sea level

Nobody ever says I have to much power or I can tow too much 😂

I also think if you add the tremor package to the 350 you get a much better ride as well. It impacts towing rating but for me I will be towing 8-10k conventional.

I'd love the F350 in king ranch trim.

You need a f350 to flex on the f250 wimps when towing your 3x5 trailer from Lowes on the weekend.

As others have said, you get 1k more payload on the 350. A lot of people pulling large 5th wheels need that.

@rich7447

Жыл бұрын

Large 5th wheel I would opt for DRW anyway.

@oldnumber6

Жыл бұрын

@@rich7447 I'm at 15k so a dually would be overkill. If I went 20k then a dually for sure, even though it is in the weight spec of a SRW

@rich7447

Жыл бұрын

@@oldnumber6 After overloading my last two trucks (including putting 4k of stone in the back of a 3/4 ton Ram) I went dually this time. Who knows when I will get it, but it is ordered. I seem to have trouble with the concept of hitting payload and still having space left in the bed or trailer.

@johnirwin1837

Жыл бұрын

@@oldnumber6 , are your number GVW or empty. Makes a big difference.

@oldnumber6

Жыл бұрын

@@johnirwin1837 I'm at 15k GVWR I'm 11.6k dry and then fill it up with toys and supplies.

I carry a lot of HEAVY items in my F-350 and hugely appreciate the extra payload over a 250.

You may have covered this in another video, but an in depth comparison of PAYLOADS would be really interesting. F150, F250, F350 all SRW. Just an idea. Lots of people running around out there way way way overloaded carrying around their TRUCK CAMPERS. Just saying. Thanks, nice vids.

I generally use this as a rule of thumb, if your trailer at full capacity is 14,000lbs and over, especially on a box trailer as in camper or car hauler then im going with a dually because of the stability factor and safety factor. Ive had people disgree with me PREFUSELY, but if its my money, my family and my equipment then my decision is a dually. Anything less than than 14k then I'll go with a 350 SRW. I personally dont recommend a 250 to anyone. If im going to pay the same price between a 250 and 350 srw regardless of trim, then I'm getting the 350. Why would i pay the same price for less capability. I live down the street from a HUGE campground and every weekend I see these HUGE gooseneck and 5th wheel campers being pulled by 250s and 2500s and it scares the hell out of me because you can clearly see it can't handle it. To each their own. We all buy what we think is best for us based on what we feel is needed, of course money and availability of a product but I have my opinions on what I believe I need. I'm not always agreed with, I'm ok with that, I'm not buying it for anyone else and I'm not spending anyone else's money so they need not complain about my needs. I've been towing trailers for 40yrs and I've had plenty of negative experiences with the wrong vehicle.

Know how I don't you don't tow much? You usually max out payload before any of the other specs, and there's a big difference in payload between an f250 and f350.

nice rig

Excellent video! The F250 Tremor package is the same truck as the F350 Tremor. Same axles/springs and everything. The only difference is the payload sticker. I have some video's on that if anyone is interested.

@chandler828

Жыл бұрын

That’s just totally untrue. You have an upgraded spring pack and axle depending if you have the max tow package or not.

@BigBoyToyzz

Жыл бұрын

@@chandler828 it’s totally true! Notice I said “Tremor” packaged trucks. You are correct with normal F250 to F350. Check out my KZread channel for a video showing and explaining just that. I would put a link but can’t on another KZreadr’s channel.

@wasimsuburban

Жыл бұрын

The inner rear axle of F350 is thicker than the one in F250

@BigBoyToyzz

Жыл бұрын

@@wasimsuburban Not in a Tremor F250. Part numbers are the same as a F350 through and through. Tremor only.

@ShersGarage

Жыл бұрын

Standard F-250 will have a Sterling axle. With high capacity trailer tow package you will get Dana. F-350 will have Dana axle standard.

I learned a ton… thanks

Great, informative video as usual. Thank you

Great content! 👍

Phenomenal video! That’s exactly what I needed to know!

Just drove a 22 F-250 for a day yesterday and I gotta say, the ride is not bad AT all. Like you said, I was expecting a much stiffer, harsh ride, but man it was great! Unless you’re really sensitive to a few bumps, I wouldn’t underestimate the smoothness of these new trucks

@Inmate533

Жыл бұрын

If you get the Tremor package or the FX-4 package, the ride is pretty stiff.

@ranger-if4nx

Жыл бұрын

@@Inmate533 it had the FX4 package. Still not bad at all. Maybe it’s because I’m used to driving a ford ranger so anything feels better than that 🤣

@milosusa

Жыл бұрын

i do have 22 F250 too and put those Sulastic shackles on the truck, really help with rear bouncing when empty.

@danielwalsh7373

11 ай бұрын

I test drove an f-350 a couple weeks ago and was very impressed with the ride quality. I expected much much worse. The ride was noticeably stiffer than my current truck a ram 1500 on air suspension but I felt the f-350 was still pretty comfortable.

To be fair guys. The Tremor specifically has the same springs and leaf packs F250 vs F350. Badges and door stickers are the difference.

@stepfour

Жыл бұрын

And that is the only difference that matters.

Love the video and the song was hilarious.

Great Info, I have been on the fence moving up to a f250 because my camper is 7K. Thx so much

I looked up parts on rock auto between 250 and 350, basically same part numbers on suspension parts. look it up

The trucks shown in the video when the guy said “springs are the same… no” actually do have identical springs because they are equipped with the Tremor package. All Super Duty Tremor trucks are mechanically identical regardless of being 250 or 350. Any super duty tremor has the 350 rear axle and spring package. If someone buys a 250 Tremor they may save money on registration fees in their state bc the truck has a derated payload on the sticker to match the 250 badge. Legally, the 250 has a lower payload, but mechanically any 250 and any 350 (equipped with the same options) are identical trucks.

@scotty3725

Жыл бұрын

But you still pay more for the tremor package so it evens out😂

@legmar

Жыл бұрын

@@scotty3725 haha I mean technically you could say that the 350 tremor costs more than the 250 tremor bc you’re paying the certification fee for the higher sticker payload even though the trucks are mechanically/physically identical.

@coderedfit

Ай бұрын

They're different...

I personally wood pick the f450 d.r.w over the f350 d.r.w

@outbacker292

Жыл бұрын

wood, would.....

I will stick with the F350 as I will use more than the ton of difference in capacity towing. I own both but the F350 SRW gets to work. Edit: For those of us hauling trailers through subdivisions and downtown areas the dually is just too wide.

@rich7447

Жыл бұрын

It depends on the trailer. My enclosed car hauler is 6" wider than a dually.

@ethelz2cents

Жыл бұрын

F450 for maneuverability?

@rich7447

Жыл бұрын

@@ethelz2cents That's why I went 450 over 350 CC with 8' bed.

@aaronspicer949

Жыл бұрын

I drive tractor trailers through downtown areas, no problem for me🤷🏻‍♂️

@porterbrooks4631

Жыл бұрын

If you can't drive just say that. I'm a semi haulers how do you think the down town was built semi which are how wide buddy.

In my state the cost of licensing is a lot cheaper for the F350. The F250 is considered more of a personal passenger vehicle and the F350 is considered commercial.

Payload payload payload!!! That’s the difference between the F350 and the F250. Don’t buy an F250 because the trailer guide says it can tow your 20,000lb trailer. In reality you will be over your payload if you are anything close to the top end of the F250 guide. Make sure you are safe within your payload while towing you don’t want to be overloaded when you could have spent $1000 more and been legal. Confirm payload of a truck with the options you want before you decide on the truck you buy

Maybe for you people in the lower 48 the 250 is OK. However, up here in Alaska due to the permafrost heaves in our highways, in spite of the AMAZING efforts of AKDOT Who do a STELLAR job given the climate we live in up here in Alaska, there is no denying Alaska and it’s roads simply chews up and spits out smaller cheaper made trucks like a coastal brown bear eating a squirrel for a snack! I grew up driving FORD. I had to switch to Chevrolet/GMC due to severe spinal injuries in the military during the global war on terrorism. Unfortunately, the independent front suspension of the GM just isn’t up to Alaska. It’s fine for the lower 48 and I’ve been happy with both brands!! Dodge/RAM in coastal Alaska is known as RUSTS ALWAYS MOTORS! You constantly see people who purchase brand new 80-90,000+ thousand dollar top-of-the-line DODGE/RAM with a BRAND NEW Cummins turbo diesel pick up who moved to Alaska shortly after purchasing their truck, or some lost souls who actually purchased them up here and plan to live in coastal Alaska, and their trucks immediately begin to rust completely through their bumpers and wheel wells in less than nine months! The Ford F350 is simply the best most durable truck for Alaska! F350’s without question, outlast and outperform the F250 due to their heavier, beefier suspension and frame. If you have the money and you are willing to keep spending to keep replacing your upper and lower ball joints as well as keeping your alignment, constantly realigned in between upper and lower ball joints. Then GM’s do fine in Alaska for wealthy people. I’ve purchased and owned two Chevrolets, two GMC’s, and I am back with two F 350 Ford’s. One has the Tremor package the other has the FX four package so I can carry heavier loads but it doesn’t ride as nicely on Alaskan roads as the Tremor. The Duramax and the body and frame and rear end of the GM does just fine unfortunately, since they don’t have a solid front axle, you’re constantly paying out their nose to keep them aligned and fix their front ends. I’ve been in Alaska since the military ordered me up here in 2007. I won’t even waste my money on a half ton!

Payload is the one they won't tell you about since payload varies by trim package.

@johnirwin1837

Жыл бұрын

All you have to is look at the door post. Whats so hard about that?

Can you put a link to the towing guide on here? I will still take the F-350

So, that little #1 subscript on the F-250 matters here. It’s telling you that you must option the high capacity axle (F-350axle). Which means, your cost difference is now erased and all you’ve done is build an F-350 with an F-250 badge on it!

@CornFed_3

Жыл бұрын

That’s irrelevant because the GVWR on an F250 will always be lower than an F350.

Did he say don’t listen to a KZreadr for advice? lol my f250 does what I need to do. My next one will be a 350

I have enjoyed your videos in the past but...this video exactly proves my point that dealerships don't know anything about towing and recommending the right truck. "An F150 will crush that" is a perfect example of why I see overloaded 1/2 tons towing a trailer that should be behind a 3/4 ton truck. Folks, you have to do your own research...and really pay attention to that payload rating before being swept away with a towing rating.

The extra 1k payload is priceless capacity is a lifesaver if you use your truck for heavy work.

Ur right I'll keep my 94 f250xlt 7.5L V8

Coltons part of this video! 🤣🤣🤣 NICELY done fellas. That was awsome!

Excellent video Mr. Watts! Might you be able to tell me what comprises the new axles in these '23s? I'm interested in a 250 7.3 w/ 4.30 gears. I've read a few comments about new, heavier axles along the entire line of 23 SDs, and I'd like to know what to expect. Also, might you have info on the 10R180 yet?? Thank You Sir!!

Saw a lifted Denali on a jeep store lot on a set of ridged rims blacked out

I could use a f150 duality for the stability while towing bumper pull camper

0:45 My 2021 "Fiesta" has a Flat-Tow Option in Forscan.

I’m gonna beat the dead horse here, payload being 3600+ on the 350 is way better than the 250. That is the real reason to bump up to the 350.

Can anyone confirm or deny that the tremor 250 and 350 have the same rear leaf springs?

Mirrors are different on lower trims (xl xlt) fyi turn signals integrated on my 350 xl would not be on a 250 xl

Yes man

3:122 WTF is a simularity?

Minnesota its several hundred dollars in saving in yearly license tabs by going a 1 ton (F350,3500) over a 3/4 ton or lower

I have a 2013 F250 super duty king ranch. Is there much difference in the ride of the new limited Ed of the 2023 F250 high output diesel?

My rule of thumb: If you want a Ranger with all the options and a workable payload, get an F150. If you want an F150 with all the options and a workable payload, get an F250. If you want an F250 with all the options and a workable payload, get an F350. If you want...and so on. This basically works for GM, Ford, or Ram. Replace the model number with 1/2-ton, 3/4-ton, 1-ton

Not sure , if is still option for 2023 F250 , but I ordered my 2022 F250 with heavy duty towing package which give me the same bigger rear axle and rear springs as F350 have and bump my total GCWR to 30000 lb . I decide to do that , because I would pay $1500 more for F350 and actually get the same truck with just different badges.

what is the payload on the 2023 f 250 super duty limited

Ummm!!! Adding hip hop flavor I enjoyed your content as always. Keep up the good work 👍🏿.

i just looked at a 2024 F250 diesel KR with high capacity axle package and its GVWR was only 400 less than my 2021 F350 diesel platinum . the payload was only 200 less than mine. With those numbers shouldn't the springs on the 250 be the same as my older 350? since 2021 ford has really increased the payload numbers. GVWR on my 350 is 11,500 and the new 250 is 11,100. i looked and same number of springs and they looked about the same thickness.

I have orders in for two '23 F250, one is a Lariat in Azure Gray Metallic, Baja Interior, with the sport package, locking differential, up fitters, marker lights, few other small add on. The other is an XLT in Antimatter Blue with the same features of the first but also the XLT premium/ultimate package required with the sport package, both in 7.3L. I'm leaning toward the XLT, for a savings of $5200, but I do like the Baja Interior that only comes in the Lariat as it lightens up the cab. One will only become a confirmed order once the dealership is given the heads up notice for scheduling for build to see if there are any last minute changes in add ons or the customer no longer wants it. I lost my '17 Super Duty in a black ice accident & am without a work rig now. My dealer doesn't have any news on when they would even be scheduled. By chance do you have any news in the wind as to how the Super Duty's are progressing off the assembly line?

Are order banks still open for the 2023 Super Duty?

What is the wait time for a job 2 Super Duty If I ordered one today ?

In most trims it's about $1,500 to step up to the 350 over the 250. IMHO there is no reason to not just get the 350 if there is any question at all about using the pickup has a work truck.

Does the upgraded front axle come standard on the F350 ?

Show the payload difference between the two trucks (with same packages) then come back with an updated video. Payload is key, I would guess 80% or more F250 owners r over on payload.

Well if you actually tow anything like I do payload kinda matters, lol. Now if you just want a raised super duty to drive around town no need for 350. This is why you NEVER listen to dealer for towing numbers and specs. Most simply don’t know.

Sorry there is a big difference between the 250 and the 350. I'll keep the 350 they do have a nicer ride. Good video Sir

Let’s talk about the tremor package and it’s towing between the F250 and F350 versions?

GVW is a point in time measurment. GVWR is the max allowable by the manufacturer. So an overloaded F250's GVW could be over the specified GVWR. GVW is the number you'd scale at if you go to the landfill, dump, scrap metal scales, etc.

Anybody mention that the registration for a one ton? My state says it’s a commercial vehicle.

I most definitely do not need a F350. But I got a 22 little over a year ago. Drive it a few miles a week to work and what not. Family trips.

He is showing Tremor trucks and both with tremor packages have same springs only different is badges and payload sticker

I like hauling around a truck camper. It's a 350 for me all day.

I'll take the duelee ...

Ordered a 2023 Lariat. No updates since 11/12 ordering date. When am I supposed to find out the build date?

There’s more to consider between a Super Duty and a F150. I pull several times a year between Wyoming and Texas, and have friends that have come to visit too. A F150 pulling the mountain passes really struggles and can get hot even with a trailer properly weighted. It’s a non event with a diesel Super Duty! I pulled a 17,000lb 5th wheel at 75 with zero issues in my 2022 SRW F350. Friends struggled with a 7500lb trailer and their F150.

@kensporalsky3784

Жыл бұрын

What motor did your friend have ? I tow 9000 lb trailer and a fully loaded bed all over the mountain passes of Oregon and have never had a problem with a 3.5 ecoboost in my 2020 f150 max tow

@podpatriot4442

Жыл бұрын

@@kensporalsky3784 Honestly, I don’t know. I don’t know if it was a max tow configuration, but I doubt it. His trailer was 7,500 lbs, I do know that. They had to shop for a trailer to match his truck’s rated weight. It struggled on the trip enough he went and bought a gas F250.

@duramaxadventures5832

Жыл бұрын

% of rated capacity. obviously same trailer the truck with teh higher rating will preform better.

So is the trailer brake controller standard on an F350 SRW? From the chart displayed at about the 1:00 minute mark, I can’t tell. There is an “S” in the row for the trailer brake controller, but it has a footnote and I can’t make out what that is.

We buy 1 tons because of payload NOT towing capacity. Todays half tons can tow as much as most people need, but they can't handle the payload.

Would you recommend towing a 5th wheel with a 250? What about towing a 5th wheel with a 6.2L gas F350? Bought a used 2017 F350 / 6.2L to tow our 6-7000lb TT in Sept 2020. Wanted a 250, but the Chevy dealer under quoted this 350 by almost 10k. The only reason I'd need the 350 is if I haul a lot in the bed or if I go to a 5th wheel one day. But if I go to a 5th wheel, I'll also go to diesel so I agree with this video 100%. For regular towing, 250's will the job, but I am curious what you think about a 250 diesel with a 5th wheel as far as bed weight. Also curious about a 350 gasser with a 5th wheel?? Thanks !

I appreciate your point of view here. But your thoughts are skewed a bit towards the diesels. For those of us who would prefer not to drive a dually and really don't want the high maintenance cost of a diesel, the F350 7.3 4.30 SRW with 18" AT tires provides max payload. I have this rig in a 2022 and it does a GREAT job pulling my 16,500 fifth wheel without blowing payload, GAWR, or GCWR. My only request to Ford would be to give me a turbo 7.3 so I don't have to get the 4.30 rear end and I can get better gas mileage when not pulling! The 7.3 rocks!

@MrDeymann

Жыл бұрын

What kind of mileage you get with normal highway driving not towing?

@rahoboclan

Жыл бұрын

@@MrDeymann 14ish depending on how fast I drive. But I do pull the river frequently. The lower cost of gas vs diesel is a reasonable offset for the poor gas mileage in my case.

I love my 4,050 pounds of payload in my 2021 f350 CC LB

If you’re getting a heavy duty truck 350 is minimum in my book. I have a SRW and wish I would’ve got a dually for the extra payload … always buy more truck than you think you’ll need .

An f150 crushes 7/8k pounds towing? I had an f150, 5.4l v8, and it towed like a brick. Going up any grade was challenging, going thru mountains? A great truck, sure. Great towing? Anything near 10k it wouldn’t move even if was getting towed. The only truck I’d use for towing anything over 7k pounds would be an f250 or comparable trucks from other manufacturers. The f150 6cyl? Wouldn’t bother trying anything that needed towing over distance, up hills etc. numbers on a paper with ratings are great for selling a truck, the real world don’t care what the manufacturers numbers say.

Tired of these people stop telling people to buy 1/2 ton's to tow 7-9k they barely can stop it!

This new truck interior is totally redesigned and looks awesome. Thank you Ford!!!

Big difference in MN is cost of annual tabs / f350 = 200.00 - f250= around 800.00 the first year , 250 is taxed on value

As a medical professional The inner rear axle axe of F350 is thicker than the one in F250

F350 for me.

My wife says my F250 rides rough, I don’t think so. Thoughts?

Or you can just get a 250 tremor, which is a $1,000 cheaper, debadged 350 that will save you on annual registration and other government fees.

Correct me if I’m wrong here because I don’t have the numbers in front of me but a properly specd f450 cannot legally tow 40,000#. GCWR-GVWR-GTWR doesn’t allow it.

@rich7447

5 ай бұрын

The only one that can is a 2023+ F450 regular cab XL trim 2wd with the high output engine and the gooseneck max. tow package (GCWR is 48,000 on this configuration). Even with all this, the only way to get there is with exactly 15% ball weight with a gooseneck trailer. They had to drop the spare tire and almost everything else to get to that 40,000 lb number and a fifth wheel hitch would put you over payload.

what type of truck i would need for a 41.1 ft RV, Toytrailer with a GVWR 20000, UVW15000, AXLE 3X7000 5th Wheel Connection. Looking at up from a F150 Lariat to a 350 Platinum dually would that be the wises choice, or can single rear still acceptable.

@campingwithcorgis

Жыл бұрын

You really should consider the dually with that size camper. You are going to have close to , or over, 2000lb pin weight with all your stuff in the camper. Pulling a camper that big is a non event in an F350 dually with a 6.7 Powerstroke. Very stable.

Grab that ram 3500 like one older dude did. He put a 5k bed camper on it n snapped the frame in 2..... look him up on yt...

They probably have more 250 then 350 on their lot. 😂😂

I wish I had a diesel!!😎💪🇺🇸

Are the payload/carrying capacity different? YEP!

As others have said, the point here is misleading. The payload capacity runs out really quick with a 5th wheel or with a standard trailer with lots of stuff in the bed + passengers. Also, in the Tremor configuration the F250 loses a lot of that payload thus you will be be push to go F350 in the Tremor spec to compensate for that loss. Lastly, even if the '22 and '23 are comparable (which they are), planned obsolesce is the point; why buy a soon to be discontinued model at almost the same price of a new design. Unless the dealership gives you a huge discount, you will see yourself throwing at least $5k out on top of the $5-10k you throw driving out of the lot with a new car.

Yea, alot of people dont NEED a Porsche turbo but they get it anyways.

There are alot of things in this video I disagree with and to max out the gvwr on the new super duty you have to have a commercial driver's license above 26000 and 1 pounds and weight of people and gear adds quick

Great job ignoring payload. Tongue weight adds to it. Ford doesn't make it easy because they don't list the vehicle payloads on their site - you have to look at the door tags. If you're going to have any passengers or cargo, it's definitely worth looking at.

If you going all in with towing, the F350 dually is the one!! 😮😮😮

Payload, Payload, Payload.

Bragging rights if nothing else.😊

i'd like to point out that my 6K# trailer is 31ft long. Yes my F150 pulls like a train, but its a really big sail behind me. Im going F250 for the extra stability, not the extra pull power (even though im getting the 6.7L)

@eric3030

9 ай бұрын

Considering the same but Gas. Really hesitant to give up the 3.5 ecoboost though.

Did Ford change the max GVWR ratings on their SRW Superduty Trucks for 2023? Max GVWR on a 2022 F350 SRW long bed was 12,400 lbs. I don't see the value of the 2023's increased tow and pin weight ratings unless Ford also changed the GVWR ratings as well.

I have an F250 2022 I just went out the price a new F350 2023 and I'm getting no more payload out of that truck that I do my 250 they're both 10,000